SAYING NO TO EVANGELICAL SUPPORT FOR ISRAEL

[ChabadKahanist]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y1gZQcUDVU

[briann]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y1gZQcUDVU

I think there are two totally separate issues here.

1) Yes, I despise any and all attempts to missionize Jews.  Those who do this are evil, they are not righteous, and I will always believe this.

2) Righteous evangelical support outside of Israel needs to be applauded.  It really is the American Evangelicals, and groups like CUFI who have helped push the GOP for very pro-Israel policies like stopping the Iran deal,  withdrawing from UNRWA, recognizing Jerusalem, moving the embassy, etc.

As Chaim has said on numerous occasions, the righteous gentiles are an important part of our movement.

[david1967]

Sadly,  the Evangelical, Christian community is much more loyal to Israel than the majority of the American,  Jewish community,  specifically the secular/unaffiliated, Reform and Conservative, Jewish communities.  The non-religious, American,  Jewish community, for some reason?, continues to support the Democratic Party which hates Jews, Israel and White people, and continues to move further Left on the political spectrum.

[Hrvatski Noahid]

As Chaim has said on numerous occasions, the righteous gentiles are an important part of our movement.

The term righteous Gentiles has a clear Torah Law meaning: These are Gentiles who earn eternal spiritual reward by accepting upon themselves to fulfill the Seven Noahide Commandments and being careful in their observance, specifically because the Holy One, blessed be He, commanded them in the Torah, and informed us through Moses our teacher that Noah's descendants had been previously commanded to fulfill them.

The false belief in an intermediary is unrighteous, meaning that the person is not one of the righteous Gentiles. 

 

[angryChineseKahanist]

I, personally, in my opinion, see no conflicts between Christians and Jews.  Aren't we rewarded and punished by the same cool dude?
Jews who are good should worry not.  Unless some guy with a swastika comes up to you with a gun.  Then you should wise up because its not the guy from Joe's Pizza.

[ChabadKahanist]

I, personally, in my opinion, see no conflicts between Christians and Jews.  Aren't we rewarded and punished by the same cool dude?
Jews who are good should worry not.  Unless some guy with a swastika comes up to you with a gun.  Then you should wise up because its not the guy from Joe's Pizza.

I have no problem with Christians,however I detest Christian missionaries who are nothing but soul snatchers!!!!
I think missionary activities should be banned in Israel & any missionary who targets Jews deported & never be allowed to set foot in Israel ever again!!!!
After the crusades,the inquisition,auto da fes,pogroms & the holocaust Christians should respect our right to live as Jews & not murder our souls like they murdered our bodies for centuries!!!!
We respect your right to practice your religion respect ours as well & do not missionize/prostletyze/evangelize/witness to or peach at us!!!
Those who missionize Jews are as evil as any Nazi or Arab terrorist!!!!

[Hrvatski Noahid]

I have no problem with Christians,however I detest Christian missionaries who are nothing but soul snatchers!!!!
I think missionary activities should be banned in Israel & any missionary who targets Jews deported & never be allowed to set foot in Israel ever again!!!!
After the crusades,the inquisition,auto da fes,pogroms & the holocaust Christians should respect our right to live as Jews & not murder our souls like they murdered our bodies for centuries!!!!
We respect your right to practice your religion respect ours as well & do not missionize/prostletyze/evangelize/witness to or peach at us!!!
Those who missionize Jews are as evil as any Nazi or Arab terrorist!!!!

I agree with you about missionaries, but I don't understand why you respect their right to practice idolatry.

[ChabadKahanist]

I agree with you about missionaries, but I don't understand why you respect their right to practice idolatry.

Free choice.

[Hrvatski Noahid]

Free choice.

Does it matter to you that Jews are commanded by G-d to compel Gentiles to stop practicing idolatry?

[ChabadKahanist]

Does it matter to you that Jews are commanded by G-d to compel Gentiles to stop practicing idolatry?

Of course it does

[angryChineseKahanist]

Does it matter to you that Jews are commanded by G-d to compel Gentiles to stop practicing idolatry?

who should the goy serve?

[Hrvatski Noahid]

Of course it does

It's either freedom or compelling. You can't do both.

[Hrvatski Noahid]

who should the goy serve?

The goy should serve HaShem.

[angryChineseKahanist]

I have no problem with Christians,however I detest Christian missionaries who are nothing but soul snatchers!!!!
I think missionary activities should be banned in Israel & any missionary who targets Jews deported & never be allowed to set foot in Israel ever again!!!!
After the crusades,the inquisition,auto da fes,pogroms & the holocaust Christians should respect our right to live as Jews & not murder our souls like they murdered our bodies for centuries!!!!
We respect your right to practice your religion respect ours as well & do not missionize/prostletyze/evangelize/witness to or peach at us!!!
Those who missionize Jews are as evil as any Nazi or Arab terrorist!!!!

Yes, they Jews in Israel should be left alone. Visit: yes,  but left alone.

Jews are extremely different from the people of Europe, behaviour-wise.

I read a visitor's guide to Israel once many years ago. It said that the Jews view Europeans as phony and that Europeans view Jews as rude. To me, Euros and Jews look the same. Ah, hell, even Hitler couldn't tell them apart. Anyway, this is because Jews are very "no-frills" speakers.  So, lets take the English, the slightest mistake and you are called 'rude'.

BTW I was born in China, therefore I am a communist. 

[angryChineseKahanist]

The goy should serve HaShem.

Which means?
Do we need to become Jews?
What do we need to convert to? Islam?

[Hrvatski Noahid]

Which means?
Do we need to become Jews?
What do we need to convert to? Islam?

If you accept the Seven Noahide Commandments, you don't need to become a Jew or a muslim. 

[angryChineseKahanist]

If you accept the Seven Noahide Commandments, you don't need to become a Jew or a muslim.

Oh, that was easy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Laws_of_Noah
""The Seven Laws of Noah include prohibitions against worshipping idols, cursing God, murder, adultery and sexual immorality, theft, eating flesh torn from a living animal, as well as the obligation to establish courts of justice. ""

That was easy. I already comply.  The toughest part was not eating a live animals.

[Hrvatski Noahid]

Oh, that was easy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Laws_of_Noah
""The Seven Laws of Noah include prohibitions against worshipping idols, cursing God, murder, adultery and sexual immorality, theft, eating flesh torn from a living animal, as well as the obligation to establish courts of justice. ""

That was easy. I already comply.  The toughest part was not eating a live animals.

Chr*stians violate the prohibition of idolatry. I hope you know that.

[ChabadKahanist]

Chr*stians violate the prohibition of idolatry. I hope you know that.

Actually there are Christian denominations that reject the trinity like JW's & a few others

[Hrvatski Noahid]

Actually there are Christian denominations that reject the trinity like JW's & a few others

There are Jewish denominations that reject the Oral Torah, like the Karaites and the Sadducees. Traditional chr*stian doctrine is trinitarian. 

[ChabadKahanist]

There are Jewish denominations that reject the Oral Torah, like the Karaites and the Sadducees. Traditional chr*stian doctrine is trinitarian.

Indeed!!!!

[angryChineseKahanist]

Chr*stians violate the prohibition of idolatry. I hope you know that.

Now we go back to my previous question: who should the goy serve?
So, the goy cannot be Christians.  We cannot worship snakes, rocks, trees, or facebook.
You said we don't have to become jews or muslims.
What's left?
Can I be a Hindu then?  What else?  Do we worship Steve Jobs or Donald Trump?

[Hrvatski Noahid]

Now we go back to my previous question: who should the goy serve?
So, the goy cannot be Christians.  We cannot worship snakes, rocks, trees, or facebook.
You said we don't have to become jews or muslims.
What's left?
Can I be a Hindu then?  What else?  Do we worship Steve Jobs or Donald Trump?

The belief in a divine trinity is an idolatrous concept, since it is a belief that G-d (or according to some, a second separate divinity) has characteristic features, and the characteristics of a body. G-d does not have a body or any form. If your mother is a Gentile, you are commanded to serve G-d by following His 7 commandments. 

[angryChineseKahanist]

The belief in a divine trinity is an idolatrous concept, since it is a belief that G-d (or according to some, a second separate divinity) has characteristic features, and the characteristics of a body. G-d does not have a body or any form. If your mother is a Gentile, you are commanded to serve G-d by following His 7 commandments.

Ok.  Pick a religion for me then.  Or none at all.

[Hrvatski Noahid]

Ok.  Pick a religion for me then.  Or none at all.

The Torah has 613 commandments for Jews and 7 commandments for Gentiles. Gentiles who follow the 7 commandments are called Noahides. You can call this religion Noahidism, or simply Torah.