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Offline angryChineseKahanist

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Can't touch that elevator
« on: September 21, 2007, 01:53:29 PM »
I'm not sure if I've asked this before, but...
I'm in a building visiting a relative. I've got
300 bags. Waiting next to me is a pair of Jews. They're
empty handed. They asked me to push the buttons.
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Re: Can't touch that elevator
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2007, 02:02:43 PM »
Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on September 21, 2007, 01:59:59 PM
There are Shabbat elevators in some hospitals that stop at every floor so you don't have to press the button.


But they can ride them?
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Re: Can't touch that elevator
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2007, 02:13:15 PM »
What if you have to go to the can and no one's around?
What if you hit the buttons with a tree branch?
Or something long from the floor or trash bin?
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Re: Can't touch that elevator
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2007, 02:17:28 PM »
Or what if a Jew is in an all Jew residential building, how do you go home?
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Re: Can't touch that elevator
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2007, 02:21:53 PM »
we jews are so silly sometimes  :P
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Re: Can't touch that elevator
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2007, 03:00:54 PM »
Quote from: dannycookie57 on September 21, 2007, 02:21:53 PM
we jews are so silly sometimes  :P

I'm sorry for laughing but Imagine:::)

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I'm in a building visiting a relative. I've got
300 bags. Waiting next to me is a pair of Jews. They're
empty handed. They asked me to push the buttons
.

It's prohibation against lightning fires in Sabath again?
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Jeremiah 8:11-17

11 They dress the wound of my people as though it were not serious. Peace, peace, they say, when there is no peace.

12 Are they ashamed of their loathsome conduct? No, they have no shame at all; they do not even know how to blush. So they will fall among the fallen; they will be brought down when they are punished, says the LORD.

13 'I will take away their harvest, declares the LORD. There will be no grapes on the vine. There will be no figs on the tree, and their leaves will wither. What I have given them will be taken from them.'

14 Why are we sitting here? Gather together! Let us flee to the fortified cities and perish there! For the LORD our God has doomed us to perish and given us poisoned water to drink, because we have sinned against him.

15 We hoped for peace but no good has come, for a time of healing but there was only terror.

16 The snorting of the enemy's horses is heard from Dan; at the neighing of their stallions the whole land trembles. They have come to devour the land and everything in it, the city and all who live there.

17 See, I will send venomous snakes among you, vipers that cannot be charmed, and they will bite you, declares the LORD.

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Re: Can't touch that elevator
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2007, 03:03:08 PM »
Jews are not supposed to ask nonJews to do work for them on a sabbath during the sabbath..before the sabbath they can give directions..but that's it.
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Re: Can't touch that elevator
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2007, 03:17:57 PM »
Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on September 21, 2007, 02:20:40 PM
Quote from: angryChineseKahanist on September 21, 2007, 02:17:28 PM
Or what if a Jew is in an all Jew residential building, how do you go home?


Up the steps.



Isn't that much more work than pushing the button on the elevator?  ???
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Re: Can't touch that elevator
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2007, 03:20:17 PM »
Quote from: dannycookie57 on September 21, 2007, 03:03:08 PM
Jews are not supposed to ask nonJews to do work for them on a sabbath during the sabbath..before the sabbath they can give directions..but that's it.

Yes I read this in Torah; but it's aimed mainly for strangers living in jewish housholds or goim employees; but in this case the pushing of elevator is producing electricity ergo lightning the fire which is prohibited; still it was better for them to use stairs than cheating the law by using poor burdened chinese man with maaannnyyy bags. It' was not nice. ;) BTW what Jew shoud do if the light went off in the middle of Sabath?
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Jeremiah 8:11-17

11 They dress the wound of my people as though it were not serious. Peace, peace, they say, when there is no peace.

12 Are they ashamed of their loathsome conduct? No, they have no shame at all; they do not even know how to blush. So they will fall among the fallen; they will be brought down when they are punished, says the LORD.

13 'I will take away their harvest, declares the LORD. There will be no grapes on the vine. There will be no figs on the tree, and their leaves will wither. What I have given them will be taken from them.'

14 Why are we sitting here? Gather together! Let us flee to the fortified cities and perish there! For the LORD our God has doomed us to perish and given us poisoned water to drink, because we have sinned against him.

15 We hoped for peace but no good has come, for a time of healing but there was only terror.

16 The snorting of the enemy's horses is heard from Dan; at the neighing of their stallions the whole land trembles. They have come to devour the land and everything in it, the city and all who live there.

17 See, I will send venomous snakes among you, vipers that cannot be charmed, and they will bite you, declares the LORD.

Love your Enemy
And Heap Burning Coals on his Head!!!
http://net-burst.net/revenge/love_and_wrath_of_God.htm

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Re: Can't touch that elevator
« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2007, 04:00:34 PM »
Quote from: Ultra Requete on September 21, 2007, 03:20:17 PM
BTW what Jew should do if the light went off in the middle of Sabbath?

Nothing, let it be the way it is, for example you can turn on lights also the air conditioner before Shabbah and leave it on for the rest of of Shabbah, also if it was an accident where the lights turned on in the middle, then you don't do anything just let it be the way it is.

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Re: Can't touch that elevator
« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2007, 04:56:12 PM »
You can use the lift but not press the button?

By pressing the button you are intending to use the lift which uses electricity, by going inside without pressing the button still results in you using the lift and electricity.
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