Human coronaviruses were first identified in the mid-1960s

[Hrvatski Noahid]

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/types.html

There are seven of them and people around the world commonly get infected with human coronaviruses. Nothing special at all. What the hell is wrong with the world? Why is everyone panicking?

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/types.html

There are seven of them and people around the world commonly get infected with human coronaviruses. Nothing special at all. What the hell is wrong with the world? Why is everyone panicking?

Coronavirus is just a class of viruses.  Each of them is different.  They have a unique genetic sequence, a unique contagiousness (R0), and a unique degree of mortality.  SARS was a new one that came about in 2002.  MERS was a new one in the middle east a few years ago. And this new one (SARS-COV2 / Covid19 / Wuhan virus) is of the same class but also very different. 

This virus is more contagious than flu (2-3 times more), and is also more deadly than flu by 10-fold (best case) or 30-fold (worst case).
It is also capable of spreading before the person is symptomatic.  Ie, a person contracts the virus but does not know it, and can spread it to others during that time.  That makes outbreaks difficult to control.

Do the math on the R0 and CFR compared to flu, and you would have millions of people around the world dying from it.

That is why strong measures need to be taken to stop the spread of this virus.  It is not panic to employ lockdowns and social distancing measures.  It is rational strategy. 

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

[Hrvatski Noahid]

If it's part of a well-known class of viruses, it cannot be vastly different from them. It is rational strategy if you want to remove Trump, make people forget about the Islamic invasion of Europe and take over foreign companies in China. The relatively high death rate in older people doesn't faze me at all because they are more susceptible to diseases anyway.

 

 

[Ulli]

If it's part of a well-known class of viruses, it cannot be vastly different from them. It is rational strategy if you want to remove Trump, make people forget about the Islamic invasion of Europe and take over foreign companies in China. The relatively high death rate in older people doesn't faze me at all because they are more susceptible to diseases anyway.

I thought too, that this corvid virus is not so dangerous. But some experts estimate, that 60 or even 70 percent of the population could be infected. Now take the mortality numbers that KWR has posted and calculate. This is for shure something extraordinary. And if it hits the population full without a vaccine it will be danerous. It is serious.

[Yehudayaakov]

Israel participates in hysteria proves he is part of the problem , only reason for their leaders for israel s existence is to manufacture crisis one after another , the current catastrophic apathy of population will lead to bloodshed .

[Hrvatski Noahid]

I thought too, that this corvid virus is not so dangerous. But some experts estimate, that 60 or even 70 percent of the population could be infected. Now take the mortality numbers that KWR has posted and calculate. This is for shure something extraordinary. And if it hits the population full without a vaccine it will be danerous. It is serious.

Pure speculation. Dangerous and serious compared to what? There are 125,000 abortions per day and no one cares.   

[Hrvatski Noahid]

Israel participates in hysteria proves he is part of the problem , only reason for their leaders for israel s existence is to manufacture crisis one after another , the current catastrophic apathy of population will lead to bloodshed .

I agree this is a manufactured hysteria and crisis for political and economic gains. 

[Hrvatski Noahid]

Milo Yiannopoulos talks to Alex Jones on the corona hysteria: https://youtu.be/kHX9pVYS7Ak

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

If it's part of a well-known class of viruses, it cannot be vastly different from them. It is rational strategy if you want to remove Trump, make people forget about the Islamic invasion of Europe and take over foreign companies in China. The relatively high death rate in older people doesn't faze me at all because they are more susceptible to diseases anyway.

That's just false. 

The common cold is often caused by a type of coronavirus.  It doesn't cause pneumonia.  This coronavirus is causing viral pneumonia in all the severe cases.  Because the virus is different enough to have different behavior in the human body, different interactions with receptors, and different behavior in lung cells.

When you say that being part of the same class of viruses means they can't be vastly different from each other, would be like saying humans and chimps are both part of the primate class so they must not be vastly different.  Lots of different primates are vastly different from each other.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

I agree this is a manufactured hysteria and crisis for political and economic gains.

Manufactured?   Why are so many people in Italy dying from this?

And why do you ignore the data from the chart I posted above showing how different it is from the flu (which by the way is NOT a coronavirus)?

There is nothing manufactured about this.  It's a deadly virus that is highly contagious. 

Watch this video and see what is going on in Italy:

https://twitter.com/NaomiOhReally/status/1238868163208634371?s=20

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Milo Yiannopoulos talks to Alex Jones on the corona hysteria: https://youtu.be/kHX9pVYS7Ak

Two people who are not credible and have no relevant expertise in the subject of virology or public health.

The only "hysteria" is people hoarding supplies from stores.   They are idiots and don't accomplish anything except harming the rest of us.

Everything else is necessary precaution.  Crowds should not gather for a month or two, then reassess situation and see if medical system has things under control.   Case numbers are exploding right now.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

I agree this is a manufactured hysteria and crisis for political and economic gains.

Trump is the incumbent.  It is destroying his economy.  This isn't good for him.  Yet he is not disputing that this is a serious problem.  He is an optimist, which is admirable, but even he has changed his tune as case numbers have exploded.  He knows this is a serious threat and is making it clear we need to be proactive against it.   

[Hrvatski Noahid]

Manufactured?   Why are so many people in Italy dying from this?

And why do you ignore the data from the chart I posted above showing how different it is from the flu (which by the way is NOT a coronavirus)?

There is nothing manufactured about this.  It's a deadly virus that is highly contagious. 

Watch this video and see what is going on in Italy:

https://twitter.com/NaomiOhReally/status/1238868163208634371?s=20

Why should I NOT ignore a virus with a death rate below 1.5 percent in most age groups? The video shows old people with weakened immune systems dying. Chickenpox is a highly contagious disease caused by the varicella virus. Did you know that old people with varicella have a mortality rate of 15-18%?

By the way, you remember the Hong Kong protests? Me neither. Strange, huh? 

In fact, Milo has the virus and he looks fine to me: https://youtu.be/1mhY-CAT5r4

 

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Why should I NOT ignore a virus with a death rate below 1.5 percent in most age groups? The video shows old people with weakened immune systems dying.

 

And you think "old people with weak immune systems" deserve to die?  For what? 
Is it true when it's an old person in YOUR family and in YOUR friends' families ? Or just the old people you don't know that you don't care about.   It should go without saying here, but seems like you need to hear it, the Torah doesn't promote such a cavalier attitude about life and death, no matter the age involved.

These old people are also a risk to healthcare providers as there has been transmission from patients to caregivers, and some of the Chinese doctors who were young and healthy in their 30's died trying to treat these patients.

I posted this figure already before. See here http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,92380.msg690386.html#msg690386

1.5% is a high death rate, especially for a virus that spreads MORE THAN FLU!   There are two aspects to this.  I'm not sure why I have to repeat it so many times.  Is it that you ignore it, or you just dismiss facts you don't like?

The R0 is higher than flu.  R0 is how much a virus spreads.  Flu infects millions of people and this is MORE contagious than flu.  In addition to that, the mortality is also higher than flu. 
Do the math on that, and it means that massive numbers of people would be infected by this if left unchecked and massive numbers would die.  Millions.  We want to prevent millions of people dying, even if most of them will be older than 60 years old and you don't give a crap about old people dying.   Even if only less than 1% of 20 and 30 year olds would die from it, we don't want them to die either if we can prevent it.

The Torah values human life, even for old people that you for some reason don't like or care about.   So selfish.

Chickenpox is a highly contagious disease caused by the varicella virus. Did you know that old people with varicella have a mortality rate of 15-18%?

There is immunity to varicella. There is also a vaccine now.  Neither of these exist for covid19.
Aside from that, when children have chicken pox, you can see that pretty clearly.  It's all over their face.  Then you would know to keep them away from old people while they are contagious.
covid19 is spreading before people know they have it and before they have symptoms.   

By the way, you remember the Hong Kong protests? Me neither. Strange, huh? 

Yeah, and?  That doesn't make this virus any less deadly than it is.

In fact, Milo has the virus and he looks fine to me: https://youtu.be/1mhY-CAT5r4

Anecdotal nonsense.  A person in the hospital with the virus has the virus and doesn't look fine.  Why would I care what Milo looks like?
It is very funny that you believe his claim of having the virus, attention wh-re that he is, but that's a separate issue.  The anecdote means nothing regardless, even if it is true he tested positive.

[Ulli]

Look here is the actual COVID-19 Dashboard for Germany. All the Data from the Robert Koch Institute and other gouvernment sources you find here. The growth of the virus is exponentiell! Death rate since now 0,248. But before it was 0 then 0,033 then 0,1. So it is growing too.

https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/478220a4c454480e823b17327b2bf1d4

[syyuge]

The chart above surely depicts the dangers of this grave sickness.

[Hrvatski Noahid]

And you think "old people with weak immune systems" deserve to die? It should go without saying here, but seems like you need to hear it, the Torah doesn't promote such a cavalier attitude about life and death, no matter the age involved.
1.5% is a high death rate, especially for a virus that spreads MORE THAN FLU! There are two aspects to this.  I'm not sure why I have to repeat it so many times.  Is it that you ignore it, or you just dismiss facts you don't like?

Me not buying your hysterical nonsense = old people deserve to die? You need help and I don't need Torah lessons from you.

You mean like you dismiss the 125 000 children murdered every single day while people like you worry about a virus that MIGHT spread and MIGHT cause death in 1.5% of the cases? Talk about a cavalier attitude to life and death. You may not be able to understand this, but the world has bigger problems than a stupid virus. 

[Israel Chai]

Me not buying your hysterical nonsense = old people deserve to die? You need help and I don't need Torah lessons from you.

You mean like you dismiss the 125 000 children murdered every single day while people like you worry about a virus that MIGHT spread and MIGHT cause death in 1.5% of the cases? Talk about a cavalier attitude to life and death. You may not be able to understand this, but the world has bigger problems than a stupid virus.

Not to mention mosquitoes. He's ignoring mosquitoes by mentioning it too. What angry retard Herr Jones and Faggy Milo talk about is not relevant to anyone. Spanish flu was the last major virus like this. It hit mostly old people too, about 4% overall mortality, and it killed millions. Even if you don't die from this, pnemonia is not something you want to ever get, it's a nighmare and makes complications forever.

You said we shouldn't worry about it spreading by doing all these things, it's just killing old people. That's not true, a 35 year old died from it, anyone without a great respiratory system could die, and all these people who get it could suffer in their respiratory systems for the rest of their lives G-d forbid. You calling his scientific facts "hysterical nonsense" is something else other the part where you're saying you don't care if old people die.

Just because not everyone gets sick when they're bit by a wild animal, you still make a fence, getting bit is like getting a disease like this, it still sucks even if you make it out.

[Hrvatski Noahid]

Not to mention mosquitoes. He's ignoring mosquitoes by mentioning it too. What angry retard Herr Jones and Faggy Milo talk about is not relevant to anyone. Spanish flu was the last major virus like this. It hit mostly old people too, about 4% overall mortality, and it killed millions. Even if you don't die from this, pnemonia is not something you want to ever get, it's a nighmare and makes complications forever.

You said we shouldn't worry about it spreading by doing all these things, it's just killing old people. That's not true, a 35 year old died from it, anyone without a great respiratory system could die, and all these people who get it could suffer in their respiratory systems for the rest of their lives G-d forbid. You calling his scientific facts "hysterical nonsense" is something else other the part where you're saying you don't care if old people die.

Just because not everyone gets sick when they're bit by a wild animal, you still make a fence, getting bit is like getting a disease like this, it still sucks even if you make it out.

I never said I don't care if old people die. If you put words in my mouth, you're not arguing what I actually said. You're arguing with yourself.

The greatest death rate occurs in old people. That's a statement of fact. It's not wishing death upon anyone. If you want to ignore the real problems in the world and obsess about this virus, go ahead.

[Israel Chai]

I never said I don't care if old people die. If you put words in my mouth, you're not arguing what I actually said. You're arguing with yourself.

The greatest death rate occurs in old people. That's a statement of fact. It's not wishing death upon anyone. If you want to ignore the real problems in the world and obsess about this virus, go ahead.

We're not ignoring the real problems in the world. I seriously doubt anyone here is pro abortion. If there's a disease that is super contagious pnemonia, so it'll hurt you and kill the elderly G-d forbid, you want to avoid it.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Me not buying your hysterical nonsense = old people deserve to die? You need help and I don't need Torah lessons from you.

You mean like you dismiss the 125 000 children murdered every single day while people like you worry about a virus that MIGHT spread and MIGHT cause death in 1.5% of the cases? Talk about a cavalier attitude to life and death. You may not be able to understand this, but the world has bigger problems than a stupid virus.

When did I say I support abortion?  I don't.  Nice deflection.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

We're not ignoring the real problems in the world. I seriously doubt anyone here is pro abortion. If there's a disease that is super contagious pnemonia, so it'll hurt you and kill the elderly G-d forbid, you want to avoid it.

Bingo.

[Hrvatski Noahid]

When did I say I support abortion?  I don't.  Nice deflection.

When did I say you support abortion? The problem is you obviously don't care about it nearly as much as this corona bull.

[Hrvatski Noahid]

We're not ignoring the real problems in the world. I seriously doubt anyone here is pro abortion. If there's a disease that is super contagious pnemonia, so it'll hurt you and kill the elderly G-d forbid, you want to avoid it.

In other words, you will crash the world economy in order to avoid pneumonia. Got it.