Crazy NYC corona conspiracy might be real

[Israel Chai]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8EL5AwimwE&feature=share&app=desktop

[Ulli]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8EL5AwimwE&feature=share&app=desktop

This is exactly what they did with the nursing homes. They put covid and non covid patients together in one small room. Chaim has even made a video about that.

Most of the patients in there are "people of color" Blacks and Latinos. They have to die. And Democrats are in charge there. How many they have killed there and in the nursing homes? Black Lifes Matter?

For everybody who catches Covid there, they get 29000 $ + Supplies that they use. 

I have always asked myself, why is the Covid spreading in NYC so wildly. Why are so many deaths. This and the nursing home scandal explains it. In Sweden, they did basically nothing and you have not seen this numbers.

Perhaps they did it on purpose in order to force a hard lockdown, hurt the economy and win the elections. As this was over they let their BLM & Antifa puppets riot, arson and loot.

Also I found this article in the guardian about

1.Mehra MR Desai SS Ruschitzka F Patel AN
Hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine with or without a macrolide for treatment of COVID-19: a multinational registry analysis.
Lancet. 2020; (published online May 22.)
10.1016/S0140-6736(20)31180-6:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/03/covid-19-surgisphere-who-world-health-organization-hydroxychloroquine

1. The study was FAKE

2. The data for this study came from Surgisphere.

A Guardian investigation can reveal the US-based company Surgisphere, whose handful of employees appear to include a science fiction writer and an adult-content model, has provided data for multiple studies on Covid-19 co-authored by its chief executive, but has so far failed to adequately explain its data or methodology.

3. The WHO stopped all testing with Hydroxychloroquine. And declared it as dangerous.
4. Youtubes official policy is that everything, that goes against the WHO oppinion is deleted.


Imo this is another Demonrat operation!

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

I have always asked myself, why is the Covid spreading in NYC so wildly. Why are so many deaths. This and the nursing home scandal explains it. In Sweden, they did basically nothing and you have not seen this numbers.

Baloney.  The deaths in sweden have been off the charts, multiples higher than neighboring nordic countries.  The comparison isn't valid with NYC because NYC has massively higher population density, NYC did NOTHING about coronavirus (Sweden actually took some half measures as part of their policy), and you ignore that 2 weeks after the NYC implementation of lockdown, the cases peaked and then started to come down.  That of course did not happen in Sweden.  Their policy is a disaster.  Compare it to neighboring countries like Finland and Norway who were on the same timeline and have similar culture and you see what a complete botch job Sweden did.  They did a completely unnecessary butchering of their elderly (similar to NYC but supposedly not on purpose).

This will explain things in more detail: 
https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-should-we-aim-for-herd-immunity-like-sweden-b1de3348e88b

You will be shocked to learn that with all Sweden's grand planning, they only succeeded in unnecessarily killing people.  Their economy is in the tank like everyone else, and the serology tests only showed around 7% of the population had antibodies meaning they are nowhere near to the elusive "herd immunity" !!!

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Yes Surgisphere was found to be a fraudulent group and their hydroxychloroquine study was fake.  (Their old papers are now under scrutiny as well for false data.  No one will ever trust them again.  They've been exposed and discredited even though Lancet did a poor job in the peer review and didn't catch it before publication).

BUT there have been MANY studies of hydroxychloroquine already and MANY studies showing no benefit in coronavirus patients.  Aside from that it is being ROUTINELY given to hospitalized patients to try to save them.  (If you talk to any NYC ICU docs or nurses, they will tell you about that).   And yet all these 100,000+ people still died.   Because like lots of studies have shown, without need of citing a fake study from surgisphere, HCQ has not shown a significant benefit.  If there IS some benefit (that has yet to be proven but could be in a large highly powered RCT some day - But I bet probaby not) it is likely very minimal and not a meaningful effect size.  There certainly is no large benefit being detected in ANY of these studies.   The latest was an RCT out of University of Minnesota which was a failure.   But that's only 1 of 4 types of studies people are looking at.  Other types of uses of this medication have likewise not shown evidence of benefit to this point.    It is a lot of hype about nothing.   Let go of this HCQ BS already

[Ulli]

Baloney.  The deaths in sweden have been off the charts, multiples higher than neighboring nordic countries.  The comparison isn't valid with NYC because NYC has massively higher population density, NYC did NOTHING about coronavirus (Sweden actually took some half measures as part of their policy), and you ignore that 2 weeks after the NYC implementation of lockdown, the cases peaked and then started to come down.  That of course did not happen in Sweden.  Their policy is a disaster.  Compare it to neighboring countries like Finland and Norway who were on the same timeline and have similar culture and you see what a complete botch job Sweden did.  They did a completely unnecessary butchering of their elderly (similar to NYC but supposedly not on purpose).

This will explain things in more detail: 
https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-should-we-aim-for-herd-immunity-like-sweden-b1de3348e88b

You will be shocked to learn that with all Sweden's grand planning, they only succeeded in unnecessarily killing people.  Their economy is in the tank like everyone else, and the serology tests only showed around 7% of the population had antibodies meaning they are nowhere near to the elusive "herd immunity" !!!

The article you linked is very clear. I understand. Lockdown was necessary.

But that this hospital put the infected and not infected people together in small rooms, how mentioned in the video, is bad. It is the same what happened in the nursing homes.

[Ulli]

Yes Surgisphere was found to be a fraudulent group and their hydroxychloroquine study was fake.  (Their old papers are now under scrutiny as well for false data.  No one will ever trust them again.  They've been exposed and discredited even though Lancet did a poor job in the peer review and didn't catch it before publication).

BUT there have been MANY studies of hydroxychloroquine already and MANY studies showing no benefit in coronavirus patients.  Aside from that it is being ROUTINELY given to hospitalized patients to try to save them.  (If you talk to any NYC ICU docs or nurses, they will tell you about that).   And yet all these 100,000+ people still died.   Because like lots of studies have shown, without need of citing a fake study from surgisphere, HCQ has not shown a significant benefit.  If there IS some benefit (that has yet to be proven but could be in a large highly powered RCT some day - But I bet probaby not) it is likely very minimal and not a meaningful effect size.  There certainly is no large benefit being detected in ANY of these studies.   The latest was an RCT out of University of Minnesota which was a failure.   But that's only 1 of 4 types of studies people are looking at.  Other types of uses of this medication have likewise not shown evidence of benefit to this point.    It is a lot of hype about nothing.   Let go of this HCQ BS already

But there was a doctor in NY, with the name Zev Zelinsky and he told that he has treated his patients with HCQ and Zinc and had good results.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

The article you linked is very clear. I understand. Lockdown was necessary.

But that this hospital put the infected and not infected people together in small rooms, how mentioned in the video, is bad. It is the same what happened in the nursing homes.

The proponents of this conspiracy theory that doctors, nurses, and hospitals are purposely killing people (Newsflash, they are NOT), love to cite Dr. Cameron Kyle-Sidell out of NYC because he was one of the first ICU docs to question whether the covid ARDS syndrome is not like a usual ARDS and therefore maybe the ventilator approach is not the way to go (But he and others have yet to find the proper way to go that is better!)

Someone tweeted him this same youtube video and his reaction was the woman is incompetent and should have her license revoked. He has since deleted this tweet though.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

But there was a doctor in NY, with the name Zev Zelinsky and he told that he has treated his patients with HCQ and Zinc and had good results.

This anecdote does not constitute evidence and does not trump all of the actual trials that haven't borne this out.   The number of times that something looked like it worked as a medicine but failed in rigorous trials is too long of a list to count.
We are all still waiting for Zelenko to show actual data or run an actual clinical trial.