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Re: Bennett travels to monitor escapees' capture on Shabbat
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2021, 11:58:51 PM »
Bennett was mechalel shabbat & without any heter from a rav & nobody seems to care to comment about this
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Re: Bennett travels to monitor escapees' capture on Shabbat
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2021, 05:48:24 AM »
Bennett was mechalel shabbat & without any heter from a rav & nobody seems to care to comment about this

How is it not pikuah nefesh to capture these scum?

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Re: Bennett travels to monitor escapees' capture on Shabbat
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2021, 06:37:02 AM »
How is it not pikuah nefesh to capture these scum?
It was not pikuach nefesh for Bennett to be there &his presence was not essential he was definately mechalel shabbat!!!

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Re: Bennett travels to monitor escapees' capture on Shabbat
« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2021, 06:38:23 AM »
Only police,border police,Shabak & the IDF were needed to accomplish this so Bennett being there was not needed!!!!

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Re: Bennett travels to monitor escapees' capture on Shabbat
« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2021, 09:44:42 AM »
Only police,border police,Shabak & the IDF were needed to accomplish this so Bennett being there was not needed!!!!

  How do you know? Perhaps he had to be there to make some tactical/political decisions
.   ד  עֹזְבֵי תוֹרָה, יְהַלְלוּ רָשָׁע;    וְשֹׁמְרֵי תוֹרָה, יִתְגָּרוּ בָם
4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

ה  אַנְשֵׁי-רָע, לֹא-יָבִינוּ מִשְׁפָּט;    וּמְבַקְשֵׁי יְהוָה, יָבִינוּ כֹל.   
5 Evil men understand not justice; but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

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Re: Bennett travels to monitor escapees' capture on Shabbat
« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2021, 10:38:57 AM »
  How do you know? Perhaps he had to be there to make some tactical/political decisions
There is no tactical decision that can not be made without him it was not pikuach nefesh

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Re: Bennett travels to monitor escapees' capture on Shabbat
« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2021, 11:43:36 AM »


 How is it not Pikuah Nefesh? These terrorists know that they can be captured and its a high chance that they want to murder again especially if they believe they could be captured.
.   ד  עֹזְבֵי תוֹרָה, יְהַלְלוּ רָשָׁע;    וְשֹׁמְרֵי תוֹרָה, יִתְגָּרוּ בָם
4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

ה  אַנְשֵׁי-רָע, לֹא-יָבִינוּ מִשְׁפָּט;    וּמְבַקְשֵׁי יְהוָה, יָבִינוּ כֹל.   
5 Evil men understand not justice; but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

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Re: Bennett travels to monitor escapees' capture on Shabbat
« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2021, 12:02:29 PM »
Because his presence was not essential to capturing the terrorists so it was not pikuach nefesh

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Re: Bennett travels to monitor escapees' capture on Shabbat
« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2021, 03:51:47 PM »
How can that b possible? In US, President is Commander in Chief. In such an operation, POTUS would be the 1 making final & highest level decisions. For natl security purposes, he absolutely should b there as integral part of operation leadership. Is this not the same case for Israeli Prime Minister?

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Re: Bennett travels to monitor escapees' capture on Shabbat
« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2021, 08:34:56 PM »
Learn the halachot of pikuach nefesh the capture could have been accomplished without him breaking shabbat therefore it is not pikuach nefesh

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Re: Bennett travels to monitor escapees' capture on Shabbat
« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2021, 08:39:02 PM »
Even Netanyahu who is not observant was apalled at Bennett's flagrant violation og shabbat when he was not need there/

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Re: Bennett travels to monitor escapees' capture on Shabbat
« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2021, 05:10:09 AM »
Learn the halachot of pikuach nefesh

You didn't answer the question

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Re: Bennett travels to monitor escapees' capture on Shabbat
« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2021, 07:06:41 AM »
The capture could have been accomplished without him breaking shabbat  & physically being there therefore it is not pikuach nefesh

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Re: Bennett travels to monitor escapees' capture on Shabbat
« Reply #14 on: September 14, 2021, 07:08:32 AM »
There is no heter to break shabbat unless it is absolutely pikuach nefesh & his presence was unecessary therefore chilul shabbat

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Re: Bennett travels to monitor escapees' capture on Shabbat
« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2021, 12:55:45 PM »
In micro situations such as catching prison escapees, the Israeli PM (or POTUS for that matter) doesnt add any value, operational or otherwise, it is all up to the police/intelligence agencies/army. The politicians are only there for the photo-op (which was Chilul Shabbat on its own).
« Last Edit: September 14, 2021, 02:21:37 PM by Ron from Israel »

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Re: Bennett travels to monitor escapees' capture on Shabbat
« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2021, 08:48:15 PM »
Can't he give the orders remotely? Did Donald Trump go in person whenever he ordered the army to kill a terrorist? Obviously a phone call is less Chillul Shabbat than travelling.


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Re: Bennett travels to monitor escapees' capture on Shabbat
« Reply #17 on: September 14, 2021, 08:50:09 PM »
The soldiers are permitted to travel on Shabbat. If Bennett himself was leading the battle, he could have gone but modern day heads of state are not soldiers (except among Muslim Nazi and other dictatorship regimes).

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Re: Bennett travels to monitor escapees' capture on Shabbat
« Reply #18 on: September 15, 2021, 12:13:26 AM »
There is no heter to break shabbat unless

You keep asserting that he wasnt necessary to be there but I can't see how that's true.

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Re: Bennett travels to monitor escapees' capture on Shabbat
« Reply #19 on: September 15, 2021, 12:41:57 AM »
See what Ron said above also hear what Chaim says on Ask JTF
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Re: Bennett travels to monitor escapees' capture on Shabbat
« Reply #20 on: September 15, 2021, 01:23:55 PM »
 :usa+israel:                                                                                                                         :fist:

If Bennett illogically deemed this frivolity as some
type of necessity, it should have been handled
in a manner not in violation of Shabbat.