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Offline ItalianZionist

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Sephardi, Ashkenazi Jews partially descend from Italians?
« on: February 27, 2024, 01:11:02 PM »
Sephardi, Ashkenazi and Italian Jews commonly descend from a group of Jews from the Middle East who, having migrated to Italy, intermarried with Italians during the Roman era...Many Jews from Europe are undoubtedly mixed, however I always thought it was only slavic and german mixtures ( ie Goldie Hawn, Olivia newton john, etc) However this fact about Italians is obviously interesting to me. Many Jews and Italians look similar..plus the fact that the ancestors of European jews spent a great deal of time in Italy. I have always been mistakenfor Jewish ( howeverI do have Sephardic DNA according to my ancestry dna test.)....it makes sense. Your thoughts?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Jews
https://www.science.org/content/article/did-modern-jews-originate-italy

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3543766/



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Re: Sephardi, Ashkenazi Jews partially descend from Italians?
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2024, 02:29:16 PM »
Jews and Italians both belong to the Mediterranean branch of the Caucasian Race. All native Southern Europeans, North Africans, and white Asians (from Western Asia all the way to India) are Mediterranean Caucasians so obviously they look similar. But Arabs are mixed with all kinds of garbage so many look different. It makes sense that Jews look more similar to Italians than other white Asians being that Israel is on the Mediterranean coast. The native Lebanese are also similar. The Phoenicians explored the Mediterranean world and colonized places like Carthage (modern day Phoencia) and Malta so they most likely mixed with the Romans. The Romans also colonized the Mediterranean world so they mixed as well with the local populations. Arabs on the other hand were a backwards people that were insignificant and stayed in Arabia until Islam began and then went on global Jihad. Arabia is across the Red Sea from East Africa and originated the slave trade so the darker Arabs probably mixed with blacks. Also, Egypt itself borders black East African areas (Sudan) and Sudanese are the only Arabs that are fully black since they are blacks that were Arabized. The natives of North Africa were white Berbers that were Arabized.


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Re: Sephardi, Ashkenazi Jews partially descend from Italians?
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2024, 02:58:39 PM »
The law is once a family has become intermingled with the entire Jewish people, they may remain intermingled.
Gentiles are obligated to fulfill the Seven Noahide Commandments because they are the eternal command of God, transmitted through Moses our teacher in the Torah. The main and best book on details of Noahide observance is "The Divine Code" by Rabbi Moshe Weiner.

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Re: Sephardi, Ashkenazi Jews partially descend from Italians?
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2024, 03:33:41 PM »
A lot of Itallians are actually Jews.  Just ask Columbus.
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Re: Sephardi, Ashkenazi Jews partially descend from Italians?
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2024, 08:20:12 PM »
The law is once a family has become intermingled with the entire Jewish people, they may remain intermingled.


You mean if a whole family converts to Judaism?


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Re: Sephardi, Ashkenazi Jews partially descend from Italians?
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2024, 08:45:50 PM »


You mean if a whole family converts to Judaism?

No, once a family has become intermingled.
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Re: Sephardi, Ashkenazi Jews partially descend from Italians?
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2024, 09:54:38 PM »
 :usa+israel:                                                                                                                       :fist:

  Italian and or Greek Jews, from my
  understanding are generally referred
  to as Romaniote Jews and great point
  regarding Columbus AngryChinese Kahanist
  who more than likely had Jewish origins
  if not outright Jewish, could have had at
  least maternal Jewish grandparents,
  that is really something!
 

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Re: Sephardi, Ashkenazi Jews partially descend from Italians?
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2024, 10:03:29 PM »
                                                                                                                                           :usa+israel:                                                                                                                           :fist:

  Columbus, and others from Italy, most
  likely had origins going back to Spain
  which would “generally” put them, in
  most cases, under the Sephardic banner.
 


 

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Re: Sephardi, Ashkenazi Jews partially descend from Italians?
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2024, 11:46:30 PM »
Columbus was allegedly a morano.  he pretended to convert but was secretly a Jew.  He died a Jew.
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Re: Sephardi, Ashkenazi Jews partially descend from Italians?
« Reply #9 on: February 29, 2024, 12:27:12 PM »
No, once a family has become intermingled.


What does that mean?


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Re: Sephardi, Ashkenazi Jews partially descend from Italians?
« Reply #10 on: February 29, 2024, 12:28:45 PM »
Italian Jews are not the same as Greek Jews. Nusach Italki is distinct from both Nusach Ashkenaz and Nusach Sefarad.


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Re: Sephardi, Ashkenazi Jews partially descend from Italians?
« Reply #11 on: February 29, 2024, 02:41:52 PM »


What does that mean?

See Maimonides, Laws of Kings 12:3.
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