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Hello from Germany aswell
Ultra Requete:
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--- Quote from: EagleEye on October 17, 2007, 01:09:32 PM ---The difference is that a few Poles collaborated, but Polish people as a group did not harm Jews. By that standard, Jews also were involved in the holocaust (by killing other Jews), as yes, self-hating Jews did aid it. Romanians overthrew their anti-Jew regime before the war ended. On the other hand, Germans never overthrew Hitler, and had support accross the population.
The Polish community as a group was certainly not an agent in the holocaust, anything else is revisionism.
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The fact that the romanians had antisimetic regime don't mean that the Romanian were antisimetics as a group, the facts are that some Romanians killed Jews, some Poles killed Jews, some Jews killed Jews, some Germans killed Jews and so on. Therefor I can't blame a whole people for being antisimetic, besides, there were also anti-Nazi German plot, and anti-Nazi groups, so...?
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Yes Dexter in July 1944; after D-Day and Bagration when they realised the war is lost for Germany; so they tried to kill him to reduce the loses; for ex; untill 1942 von Staufenberg was nazi Only man who was from start against nazism was admiral Canaris and his Shwartze Kappelle inside Abwher they rescued some jews and polish oficers and got them to alied side as fake spies; I'm very interested who gave you those numbers.
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What numbers ?
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--- Quote ---You killed 1-3 milions of Jews, and after the war ended you massacared the Jews who left (, I don't blame you for that, I don't blame the whole Poles, I don't blame today's poles
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Those ones.
Dexter:
--- Quote from: Ultra Requete on October 17, 2007, 03:27:07 PM ---
--- Quote from: Dexter on October 17, 2007, 03:23:22 PM ---
--- Quote from: Ultra Requete on October 17, 2007, 03:01:38 PM ---
--- Quote from: Dexter on October 17, 2007, 02:36:41 PM ---
--- Quote from: EagleEye on October 17, 2007, 01:09:32 PM ---The difference is that a few Poles collaborated, but Polish people as a group did not harm Jews. By that standard, Jews also were involved in the holocaust (by killing other Jews), as yes, self-hating Jews did aid it. Romanians overthrew their anti-Jew regime before the war ended. On the other hand, Germans never overthrew Hitler, and had support accross the population.
The Polish community as a group was certainly not an agent in the holocaust, anything else is revisionism.
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The fact that the romanians had antisimetic regime don't mean that the Romanian were antisimetics as a group, the facts are that some Romanians killed Jews, some Poles killed Jews, some Jews killed Jews, some Germans killed Jews and so on. Therefor I can't blame a whole people for being antisimetic, besides, there were also anti-Nazi German plot, and anti-Nazi groups, so...?
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Yes Dexter in July 1944; after D-Day and Bagration when they realised the war is lost for Germany; so they tried to kill him to reduce the loses; for ex; untill 1942 von Staufenberg was nazi Only man who was from start against nazism was admiral Canaris and his Shwartze Kappelle inside Abwher they rescued some jews and polish oficers and got them to alied side as fake spies; I'm very interested who gave you those numbers.
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What numbers ?
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--- Quote ---You killed 1-3 milions of Jews, and after the war ended you massacared the Jews who left (, I don't blame you for that, I don't blame the whole Poles, I don't blame today's poles
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Those ones.
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Well..
From the fact that almost all Jews in Polish were destroyd, and when the German invade Poland they took poles to their Army and to the SS that destroyd the Jews as you and I know.
And about the massacars, I already gave you a list.
Ultra Requete:
The people from lands anexed by III Reich were conscribed to Wermacht by not as Poles but becouse they were treated as "ethnic germans" - Volks Deutche; becouse their ancestors were Prussian subjects before 1918; all Poles and Jews who settled in Great Poland, Pomern and Silesia after Polish independance of 1918 were forcibly tranferred to "General Goverment" 90% of polish Jews were wiped out becouse Poland was only country in Europe in which nazi german ocupiers punished anybody helping Jews with death; including his entire family; and german ocupation was longest and most brutal here (from IX 1939 to I 1945):
--- Quote ---10. Why Was Poland Chosen as the Site of Extermination?
Anti-semitism of the local population certainly was not the reason for the Nazis' choice of Poland as the main extermination site for the Jews (who were also being murdered in the Reich, e.g., in Dachau, Sachsenhausen, and other camps). Certain segments of the Polish population were indeed anti-semitic, but this had changed when the Poles saw the persecution of Jews with their own eyes and when they themselves became subject to deportations, mass arrests, concentration camps and mass executions. Historians of Jewish persecutions are unanimous in their agreement that, after the Jews, the Poles were the most oppressed of all nations and were doomed to gradual extermination in accordance with the General Eastern Plan. Among charges listed in the indictment presented by Gideon llausner, prosecutor at the Eichmann trial, one (no. 9) was that Eichmann was responsible for the deportation of 500,000 Poles. Eichmann was convicted on this count, too, and the sentence assumed he had been motivated by his intention to destroy the intelligentsia class of Polish society.
The real reason why Poland had been chosen was the fact that of all the European Jews marked for extermination, three and a half million were already in Poland. German railroad transportation lines were overburdened because of the war. It was much simpler to build the extermination camps in Poland and to bring in the Polish Jews from nearby areas, rather than to transport them by rail to Hungary
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or France. The largest of these camps, Auschwitz, was established near the German border to shorten the distance for the transport of Jews from Hungary, France, and Italy. After the outbreak of the Soviet-German war, when transportation problems became even more acute, one and a half million Polish and Russian Jews were murdered by special units, the so-called "Einsatzgruppen"-not in the extermination camps, but on the spot, in front of the mass graves they had been forced to dig for themselves.
Transport problems played a role not only in the extermination of the Jews, but also in considerations of ways to save them. In 1942, British Foreign Secretary Anthony Eden told President Franklin D. Roosevelt
"The whole problem of the Jews in Europe is very difficult and we should move very cautiously about offering to take all Jews out of a country. If we do so, then the Jews of the world will be wanting us to make similar offers in Poland and Germany. Hitler might take us up on any such offer, and there simply are not enough ships and means of transportation in the world to handle them...."(6)
The Germans also undoubtedly reasoned that this greatest crime in the history of the world might be easier to hide in eastern Europe, cut off from the world by German occupation, than in the west, which--although also under German occupation--could never be isolated effectively from neutral countries, like Switzerland or Spain, or even from England.
One cannot end an account of the extermination of the Jews without stating that the guilt of genocide will rest forever on the entire German nation, which--from the first anti-Jewish excesses in pre-war Germany and as long as Hitler was winning the war--supported the Fuhrer and identified fully with him and with the Nazi party. Nothing but words--protests or threats--came from the Allies, but their responsibility is of an entirely different kind and can in no way be compared to that of the Germans. The sin of commission cannot be compared to the sin of omission.
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Read this:
http://www.ucis.pitt.edu/eehistory/H200Readings/Topic4-R3.html
And for Kielce and jedwabne they were local pogroms; the first was comitted under soviet and second under nazi inspiration but all those responsible Polish Chritisns who dishonored our country shoud be hanged; some but unfortunely not all were. If Poland was indeed responsible for Shaoh we woud be swarmed by pisslamic animals like France or germany today and we shoud be hated by G-d, Jews and entire world; couse pissslamic Invasion is G-d's wratch for Holocaust.
Frodo:
--- Quote --- couse pissslamic Invasion is G-d's wratch for Holocaust.
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This is what my Mother told me, Jews are Gods people and anyone who tried to eliminate them will be punished by God.
I just hope we'll get the chance to reparative our guiltiness.
This time will come, there is a prophecy, once Israel will be in a big war with the arabic world
Israel will be on the edge of disaster, in that time all western Countries will stay together an save Israel
to decline.
Germany will do his part and so God want take away our guilt.
Yes, it is not easy for us to live with the holocaust, but noone can make it undo we just have to learn from it.
But I also look in the future for a life in which we can live together, in peace.
We all know this is impossible with people which haven't any respect to other cultures and religions and it is the
sad truth that untill now only and only the islam is trying the holocaust with the rest of the world.
I know what I have to do, because I want to live and die in a free World as a free person !!
greetings
Husar:
@dexter:
"Calm down, most of the europeans took part in the Holocuast, as the Polish people,
the Frenchs,
The Austrians,
The Romanians,
The Hungrians.
The Italians
And more, so if you are angry about the Germans, get angry at all of the people I listed above."
:o
Yes you're right, I should calm down, and let a "save germany" topic be opened.......
:o :o :o
see my posts from the first day here, in JTF,
I do write "france" with only a small "f", since that's what it deserves.
Remember the french LVF engaging in the charlemagne (SS) division,
france was also among the agressors of Serbia,
thus behaving like a "pure" traitor,
which in fact it is.
LOVE THEM IF YOU CAN.
I hate the AUSTRIANAZIS as well as GERMANAZIS.
DO NOT MIND ABOUT THAT...
THEY'VE NEVER EVER BEEN
PUNISHED ENOUGH FOR WHAT THEY DID.
LOVE THEM IF YOU CAN.
As for the NAZIHUNGARIANS,
Serbs are ready to fight against them ONCE MORE.
I have put some photos of NAZIHUNGARIANS marching in Serbian Vojvodina,
DISPLAYING NAZIHUNGARIAN AND BAALESTINIAN "FLAGS" TOGETHER.
LOVE THEM IF YOU CAN.
Italians and Romanians were never as cruel as the other europeans concerning Serbs and Serbia.
During WWII, in Bosnia, Italians saved lifes of Serbs
that were to be SLAUGHTERED BY NAZICROATS.
There was no occupation of any part of Serbia by romanian fascists.
No mass-murderings neither from them, concerning the Serbs.
And in western bombarding of Serbia, in the nineties,
Romanians stood against it.
This is not an apology
of romanian/italian fascisms,
I have to say it.
WELL THEN,
SINCE GERMANS DARE COMING HERE, IN JTF,
SINCE THEY SUCCEED IN FINDING SUPPORTERS AMONG JTFers,
SINCE RAVI KAHANE'S WORDS ARE NOT RESPECTED,
(nothing with germans for 500 years)
I WARN YOU ALL,
THAT YOU'RE ON THE PATH OF OPENING A "SAVE GERMANY" SECTION (!!!)...........
WILL THERE BE THEN A "SAVE USTASHA" SECTION ?
:o :o :o
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