Author Topic: Yesturday is today's Germany (Read 7423 times)

mord · « **Reply #25 on:** October 17, 2007, 08:03:46 AM »

YES RUSSIANS HELP HELP THE MOSLEMS THE MOST

Ultra Requete · « **Reply #26 on:** October 17, 2007, 08:13:25 AM »

I don't like gemans neither I don't like their policy of domination of Europe; but it's not nazi but german one since times of Charlemagne, Frederick the Barbarossa; Friderick the Great and Bismarck; you can't call them all nazis too. BTW neonazi NDP got 7% in eastern lands but potcommunist SED got from 15% to 20%; Thanks G-d fascism-nazism was completly military crashed and its crimes revealed and punished you can't say it abot marxism-communism with all its deadly mutations: Leninism, Trotskism, Stalinism; Maoism; neo marxism aka PC which rules over USA, Canada, EU, and Israel.

raiseyourfist · « **Reply #27 on:** October 17, 2007, 08:24:27 AM »

Quote from: Boeregeneraal on October 17, 2007, 07:30:04 AM

No!

You know, if you were to go to Germany, and poll atleast 50% of the populace, and find that most Germans are anti-Jewish, then YES, i will agree!
I want hard proof that the Germans and the majority are anti-Jewish, otherwise...No, no and no.

You say the germans invest in arabs, well...if your using that argument, then you are saying americans are anti-Jewish, because the americans invest waaaaay more money on the arabs! So thats a bad argument.

If you want to pick on nations, pick on the Russians...

I think your missing the point...

BOER THE POINT THAT I AM TRYING TO MAKE IS THAT PEOPLE SAY GERMANY HAS CHANGED FOR THE BETTER AND ARE PRO ISRAEL BECAUSE THEY GIVE POST-HOLOCAUST PEOPLE MONEY.... TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS THAT THEY WERE FORCED TO DO THAT FOR POLITICAL RAMIFICATIONS UNDER THE MARSHALL PLAN...

it may be also interesting to note that while Russia and America invest large sums of money in the Arabs... they dont have the viscous anti-semetic history that the Germans have... thus the Germans have a lot to make up for and are required to help prevent Israel's destruction from taking flight

HAS GERMANY ADEQUATELY MADE UP FOR THE PAIN AND SUFFERING TOWARDS JEWS/./// ?

under a Kahanist Israel i hope we have nothing to do with that Nazi country..

mord · « **Reply #28 on:** October 17, 2007, 08:26:27 AM »

Russia does'nt have anti Jewish history

they had pogroms and what about Stalin

raiseyourfist · « **Reply #29 on:** October 17, 2007, 08:28:24 AM »

Did they exterminate the jews in Russia on the same scale that Germany did...

Russia had periods where they were very hostile towards the jews but so did all of Europe...

WHO KILLED 6 MILLION JEWS IN THE MOST BRUTAL FASHION IMAGINABLE

Wayne Jude · « **Reply #30 on:** October 17, 2007, 08:48:12 AM »

ALL real Nazis are dead.There will always be those attracted to strength and the real nazi s had that for sure!

mord · « **Reply #31 on:** October 17, 2007, 08:52:20 AM »

Quote from: raiseyourfist on October 17, 2007, 08:28:24 AM

Did they exterminate the jews in Russia on the same scale that Germany did...

Russia had periods where they were very hostile towards the jews but so did all of Europe...

WHO KILLED 6 MILLION JEWS IN THE MOST BRUTAL FASHION IMAGINABLE

In the pogroms they did'nt have modern means

Wayne Jude · « **Reply #32 on:** October 17, 2007, 08:58:40 AM »

If not for Stalin the sick.,The Russians would have been Nazis.Or at least JR members.LOL

Boeregeneraal · « **Reply #33 on:** October 17, 2007, 09:53:41 AM »

I can understand that Jews want the Germans to pay.

But lets analyze this, but before we can do that, lets look at your answeer to my earlier post.

The Russians persecuted Jews allright!! Hell, they even planned to drown SIX MILLION JEWS in the BLACK SEA !!!

Russia had the worst anti-Jewish record for europe/asia up until the NAZI's!

So anyway, back to the first answer.
Which nations has EVER willingly paid reparations?
Did the British pay reparations to the Boers after they're women and children were starved to death in concentration camps!? NO.
Did the Australian whites pay reparations willingly to the Aboriginals after genocide attemps were carried out against them? NO!
I could go on and on.
DID THE RUSSIANS PAY REPARATIONS TO THE JEWS AFTER THEIRE POGROMS, OPRESIONS AND ATTEMPTED GENOCIDES? NO!!

That's just life. And when nations do in fact pay reparations, one risks a LOT e.g Versailles and WW2 !

And nce again, the NAZI's did NOT have majority vote! Which means that less than %20 actually supported the NAZI's and their policies...meaning that the Germans are NOT Evil!

AussieJTFer · « **Reply #34 on:** October 17, 2007, 10:12:47 AM »

Stalin had plans to exterminate Russian Jewry and the Russians historically have been extreme anti-semites, they invented the protocols of the elders of zion and all those fake talmudic quotes that you see floating around the internet. They still are anti-semites to the core. I believe that they are more anti-semitic than the germans today, however, having said that, the fact that anti-semitism exists AT ALL in germany today is saddening.

mord · « **Reply #35 on:** October 17, 2007, 10:12:54 AM »

This is true Russians are the worst anti jewish

AussieJTFer · « **Reply #36 on:** October 17, 2007, 10:15:08 AM »

raiseyourfist, don't believe for a second that the russians are fond of the Jews, they have historically been some of the most vicious anti-semites in history and today believe it or not harbour a massive amount of neo-nazi groups. The russians glorifying nazism, that is how much they hate the Jews.

AussieJTFer · « **Reply #37 on:** October 17, 2007, 10:20:58 AM »

I'm sorry Boeregeneraal but the germans were willing and able practioners of the national socialist religion and carried out their tasks of eliminating Jewry with efficiency and without question. Just because other reparations haven't been made to various persecuted groups doesn't mean that they shouldn't be made.

Boeregeneraal · « **Reply #38 on:** October 17, 2007, 10:35:58 AM »

Don't get me wrong here, im NOT saying reparations should not be made!
All im saying, is that the fact that the Germans are willling to pay these reparations says a lot.

ALSO, remember, the Germans did undertake the task of carrying out the holocaust, unfortunantly. But remember one thing, they were FORCED to undertake these tasks.

Lets look at the Pogroms, the Government did not undertake these acts, but the Russian people themselves. POPULAR MOVEMENT = Pogroms.

Ultra Requete · « **Reply #39 on:** October 17, 2007, 10:59:26 AM »

Quote from: Boeregeneraal on October 17, 2007, 10:35:58 AM

Don't get me wrong here, im NOT saying reparations should not be made!
All im saying, is that the fact that the Germans are willling to pay these reparations says a lot.

ALSO, remember, the Germans did undertake the task of carrying out the holocaust, unfortunantly. But remember one thing, they were FORCED to undertake these tasks.

Lets look at the Pogroms, the Government did not undertake these acts, but the Russian people themselves. POPULAR MOVEMENT = Pogroms.

Who forced Germans to vote 32% for nazis in 1933? who invaded Poland in 1939? who was suporting the total war since 1943? who was wilingly fighting for their FUHRER until 1945? not Eskimos; not some nazis from Mars but German Volk; 8 milions of germans in NSDAP in 1944; 3/4 of male population fighting in Wermacht; and they payed the reperations becouse they started and lost the war I can't call it woluntary payment.

Wayne Jude · « **Reply #40 on:** October 17, 2007, 11:34:58 AM »

The Germans were just better at the task at hand!Smarter ,more intellectuals.Russians are weaker and thus could not perform when the time was right.Both hate Jews!

Ulli · « **Reply #41 on:** October 17, 2007, 11:38:32 AM »

Quote from: Ultra Requete on October 17, 2007, 10:59:26 AM

Quote from: Boeregeneraal on October 17, 2007, 10:35:58 AM
Don't get me wrong here, im NOT saying reparations should not be made!
All im saying, is that the fact that the Germans are willling to pay these reparations says a lot.

ALSO, remember, the Germans did undertake the task of carrying out the holocaust, unfortunantly. But remember one thing, they were FORCED to undertake these tasks.

Lets look at the Pogroms, the Government did not undertake these acts, but the Russian people themselves. POPULAR MOVEMENT = Pogroms.

Who forced Germans to vote 32% for nazis in 1933? who invaded Poland in 1939? who was suporting the total war since 1943? who was wilingly fighting for their FUHRER until 1945? not Eskimos; not some nazis from Mars but German Volk; 8 milions of germans in NSDAP in 1944; 3/4 of male population fighting in Wermacht; and they payed the reperations becouse they started and lost the war I can't call it woluntary payment.

The main reparation issues of the last years were two:

I. German companies have asked the Nazis for workers. The Nazis have taken this workers from the eastern Europe countries and from the KZ's. This Jews and Gentiles, which survived the hard work, were never be paid. This so called "slave labourer" wanted now their salery for their work from the German Companies, which used them.

I think they have all rights to claim for this.

More informations, you can read on the website of the slave labour foundation:
http://www.stiftung-evz.de/eng/payments_to_former_forced_labourers/

II. Valuable Pictures and Books of Jewish citizen were robbed or blackmailed by the nazis. Now there are new laws and great museums have to send this pictures and books back to the jewish families. But some leaders of museums make a lot of trouble, because of this pictures, because, they think that this art belongs to their museum and general public.

I think the art belongs to the families of the originally owners. We have free market economy and not (national-)socialism.

Boeregeneraal · « **Reply #42 on:** October 17, 2007, 11:41:36 AM »

Hitler took control of Germany un-democratically. The Nazi's had about %22 support. When the Nazi's came to power, the German men were conscripted. Not to forget, that they had been brainwashed into fighting for fuhrer and fatherland.

mord · « **Reply #43 on:** October 17, 2007, 11:47:41 AM »

Why not discuss the evil moslem nazis

Wayne Jude · « **Reply #44 on:** October 17, 2007, 11:57:25 AM »

Sure lets!

mord · « **Reply #45 on:** October 17, 2007, 12:10:14 PM »

The moslems always talk about refuges what about Jewish refuges from moslem countrys many had large farms the moslemsnever want to discuss this

Wayne Jude · « **Reply #46 on:** October 17, 2007, 12:17:00 PM »

Mord ,What could you possibly expect?Our enemies are barely apt to use words to their advantage.Its the only thing they can barely control except the killing device on their chest.Suicide aka homicide bombers...

mord · « **Reply #47 on:** October 17, 2007, 12:33:59 PM »

This is true

Wayne Jude · « **Reply #48 on:** October 17, 2007, 12:35:59 PM »

Yes .they are unworthy advisories.

Vito · « **Reply #49 on:** October 17, 2007, 12:44:22 PM »

Quote from: EagleEye on October 16, 2007, 11:41:49 AM

Germany today has hate laws where if you deny the holocaust, you go to jail. Clearly the regimes are quite different, the quesiton is what the average German thinks, as its clear the politicians have some differences. I'm sure bitter Germans exist, but right now they aren't controlling the Government. It's left-wing liberals (another threat) who are controlling it.

I speak to two Christian Germans that are very pro-Israel and hate Muslims. But most Germans today are socialist hippies, not Nazis. They have no beliefs from what I see. I could be wrong..