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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: MasterWolf1 on November 15, 2007, 03:24:19 PM
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It is every couples dream to have a child of their own. But lets say for some reason for example: God forbid the woman can not produce a child for medical reasons and the couple adopts.
What do you feel about adoption?
A lot of white couples ending up adopting black babies for some reason.
Do they have this in Israel that Jewish couples if they can not make babies for some reason end up adopting an Arab baby?
And what is the Jewish law on adoption?
Just curious about that,, No I am not adopting so don't worry lol. Just a question.
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Two of my nieces are adopted. I remember reading in one of Rabbi Kahane's books that these children need to be formally converted to Judaism by an Orthodox rabbi.
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Nothing wrong with adopting.
I think its hard to adopt out of your race, far as I know they try to put black children with black parents, of course there are the stars like angelina who do it, but thats what wealth and fame can buy you.
Ive wanted to adopt a baby from Romania since I saw the documentaries on how badly they live in the orphanages, and that alot of them are just dropped off because the parents cant afford them....but Im a little bit single and cant even manage to walk through the SPCA without crying a river and wanting to take them all home with me, Id never manage to get through an orphanage without wanting them all and breaking down...and well I only have a 3 bedroom house
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You've got a great big heart, kellymaureen.
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It's very, very difficult to adopt in the US. We have millions of abortions every year, yet people have to go overseas to adopt. That alone should tell you how insane America has become.
In Eastern Europe, Russia, etc., things are closing down. I know someone who went that route and explored it thoroughly. His research showed that every child from the ex-Communist countries that was put up for adoption had medical issues. Those that seemingly didn't usually had fetal alcohol syndrome...the recommendation was to take video of the infant, ship it back to the US, and have a specialist examine it for tell-tale signs.
I have a cousin that adopted two children from Guatemala as infants. My personal feeling is that there is nothing wrong with this. I wouldn't care if someone adopted children from Africa. It's about culture, not race. If you bring up your children as good people, it doesn't matter what's in their genes - we're all children of God (though some people left home pretty early on!)
kellymaureen, I'm with you...I can't walk through animal shelters. Every day when I get home I hug my dog (who nonetheless doesn't realize how spoiled he is...)
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If these couples cannot have children, and opt for adoption then sometimes they adopt children they wouldn't be able to have even if they were able to. e.g Whites adopting Black children.
I think adoption is a great thing to do but people have to make sure they consider the childs future before everything, otherwise it is selfish. I think the celebrities who adopt sometimes have selfish intentions as they like the attention or the fact they have a "variety" of children from around the world, which makes them different.
Also, is taking a child away from their own country always a great thing, if you adopt children from countries other then your own?
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Two of my nieces are adopted. I remember reading in one of Rabbi Kahane's books that these children need to be formally converted to Judaism by an Orthodox rabbi.
I dont think that Rav Kahane would have written that. (if I understood you correctly). As far as I know what is done is that the child is acked at 13 (or 12 for girl). If they want to be Jewish or not, if yes then they go threw conversion and if not then no.
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Also, is taking a child away from their own country always a great thing, if you adopt children from countries other then your own?
A few points:
- the child obviously knows nothing - he or she is an infant when this occurs
- the child can certainly learn about his background when he grows up, if he is interested. However, I have several Korean friends who were adopted by Americans as babies and they self-identify as Americans. Their interest in Korea is not that intense because all of their culture orientation is American
- in most cases, children adopted overseas are truly orphans
- ...and the big one...in many cases in the US, the birth mother can come and take the child back years later if she wants! Seriously. It's happened many times so there's always a legal cloud. Some people go through a "surrogate" mother - they find a woman who's pregnant, pay her expenses, and adopt the child...then when the kid is seven years old suddenly some stranger shows up and says "you're coming with me". It's insane, but it happens. Obviously, not a problem if you adopt from a third world country.
As a side note, I would caution that most religions teach that in vitro fertilization (IVF) is immoral and is not a good way to have children.
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Two of my nieces are adopted. I remember reading in one of Rabbi Kahane's books that these children need to be formally converted to Judaism by an Orthodox rabbi.
He talks about it in one of his articles that appears in the book "On Jews and Judaism." The funny thing is the the family he talks about were told by a Reformed "rabbi" in Detroit that the child only needed to be "raised Jewish." Now I'm from Detroit and my family are all Reform, so I have a feeling that could have been my parents' "rabbi"!
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He talks about it in one of his articles that appears in the book "On Jews and Judaism."
Yes OdKahaneChai! That's where I read it.
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Nobody has talked about the worst side of adoption yet. What is a Gentiles or a secular Jew adopts a Jewish child. Great danger. Hopefully there are no Jewish orphans. I think the Kehilot take care of them and places them in a Jewish observant family. But it could happen someday......
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Well, I want to adopt, and I only want to adopt. I in fact would love to adopt a little black child, with the hopes of saving his or her soul from the beastly culture.
I am not sure about an Arab child. Part of me really thinks that in that culture, every child is demonically possessed and is a mortal danger to everything I hold near and dear. I guess that if I could be 100% positive he or she was not irrevocably brainwashed by devil-worship yet that I would adopt one.
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Adoption is good.
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Adoption is good.
Cool. 8)
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Adoption is good.
Cool. 8)
I think you should have some kids at least for the reason that your wit and insight should be passed onto the next generation.
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I have never had the desire to, at all. G-d knows there are far more little souls that need good homes than will ever receive them. That is where my heart is.
And wit and intellect is a matter of upbringing more than genes. Jewish culture is proof of that.
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I have never had the desire to, at all. G-d knows there are far more little souls that need good homes than will ever receive them. That is where my heart is.
And wit and intellect is a matter of upbringing more than genes. Jewish culture is proof of that.
To change the subject slightly, I know of perfectly happy people who don't have or want kids period. That isn't for me, but I respect their decision.
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I have no problem with adoption...black, white, chinese..whatever...
but gay couples? you know? What if there is an unwanted child that nobody wants to adopt, i think they are better off with a gay parents then never having any... What do you guys think?
oddly enough, I don't think gays should be allowed to get married, but i'm actually accepting adoption..wierd and illogical...
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I don't know what the hell you guys are talking about. Blacks, Arabs and third worlders behave the way they do because of their genetics. Period. There are so many cases of White couples who adopted these savages and when they mature they still behave like their evil kind.
An Australian abbo was adopted as a baby by a white American christian minister and his wife. He had a fine home and good upbringing. He was executed in Florida for multiple murder and had a criminal record as long as your arm.
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I don't know what the hell you guys are talking about. Blacks, Arabs and third worlders behave the way they do because of their genetics. Period. There are so many cases of White couples who adopted these savages and when they mature they still behave like their evil kind.
YOU ARE SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WRONG!!!!! you are entitled to your opinion as long as when you state this in teh future that you include it as your opinion and not JTF's.
and to prove you are wrong, explain teh phenomenon of those people who's genetics you hate who convert to Judaism for example or are righteous...certainly that's not genetic!
And show me Mr. Scientist, the genes involved in creating evil...you are such full of bullcrap...very disgusting
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On that note, I'm sure just as many examples of people who are born to their natural parents from decent families who went on to do crime
And on that note, I'm sure many more examples of adopted "third worlders" who were raised in decent homes without any mental genetic problems came out just fine and good citizens...
what is this bologna that DNA dictates evil?! Ugh, this is not a supremecist movement...I'm trying to defending the good name of JTF that this is NOT what it's here for. And it is soooo evil to say that because of someone's genetics they are automatically evil...ugh ugh ugh ugh ugh ugh....Ralph, i'm very very very disappointed in you! If you want a future in society, you have to change that attitude! Or else you might as well live in the mountains along with the very Muzzies you hate so much because the two of you think exactly alike!
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I heard that some Jews in Israel have abortions. They could instead have the baby and give the baby up for adoption.
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An Australian abbo was adopted as a baby by a white American christian minister and his wife. He had a fine home and good upbringing. He was executed in Florida for multiple murder and had a criminal record as long as your arm.
I heard that Australian Aborigines have the highest crime rate in the world. Even higher than Blacks. They are 1% of the population of Australia yet make up 30% of Australia's prison. Is this true?
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The notion that if you adopt a baby of any race, he/she will end up the same if you raise him/her correctly is false. There is extensive research showing that even within the same family where the children were adopted at infancy, the white children perform substantially higher in school and on standardized testing than the black children, even though they are raised in the same households with similar resources, similar upbringing, etc.
If you adopt a black baby, you are running a higher risk that the child will have a lower IQ. Of course, there is a risk of this with any adopted baby, but the chance is much higher with black babies. Personally I would never adopt a baby unless I absolutely had no other choice. If my wife was infertile, (which I would take every effort to find out before marrying her), I would have a child with a surrogate mother.
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I agree with Danny here, completely. This genetics talk is crazy and makes us look like Whorefront. I thought we all knew better than this. PEOPLE CHOOSE EVIL (or righteousness).
I also pretty much agree with Danny on the subject of gay adoption. A child adopted by fags has some shot at a decent life. To leave a child trapped in the "system" for his or her entire life is a fate almost worse than hell. A badly twisted and perverse loving home is better than life in an institution.
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I think it would be WONDERFUL to rescue a little girl from a muslim country and raise her free of islam :)
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I agree with Danny here, completely. This genetics talk is crazy and makes us look like Whorefront. I thought we all knew better than this. PEOPLE CHOOSE EVIL (or righteousness).
I also pretty much agree with Danny on the subject of gay adoption. A child adopted by fags has some shot at a decent life. To leave a child trapped in the "system" for his or her entire life is a fate almost worse than hell. A badly twisted and perverse loving home is better than life in an institution.
You think that people have the ability to choose evil? If you are right about this, it would suggest that black people are more naturally prone to heartless, callous, impulsive, and cruel behavior because they have the ability to choose between right and wrong, and they choose evil, which makes them much more morally culpable than someone who doesn't have the ability to choose because he has a mental defect or suffers from some sort of genetic disease.
If people theoretically have a full choice between choosing between good and evil, and overwhelmingly and consistently choose evil, it would suggest that there is something naturally evil about them, because there would be nothing else to explain why their choices are so consistent, if they do actually have the full and meaningful choice before them. If you reject this view and say that there is nothing naturally evil about them, then you concede the fact that they actually DON'T have the ability to CHOOSE between good and evil.
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I heard that some Jews in Israel have abortions. They could instead have the baby and give the baby up for adoption.
Jews in Israel have been "liberated" by the liberals and abortion is tragically occurring. Unfortunately Arab-Muslims are not liberated, some one should seriously liberate them and teach them about birth control and abortion, its a temporary solution, but a start
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I think it would be WONDERFUL to rescue a little girl from a muslim country and raise her free of islam :)
Or a little boy. ;)
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I think it would be WONDERFUL to rescue a little girl from a muslim country and raise her free of islam :)
We're trying to do that with Sarah.
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I think it would be WONDERFUL to rescue a little girl from a muslim country and raise her free of islam :)
We're trying to do that with Sarah.
I mean a little girl from an ISLAMIC country, not a modern country with secular laws where one doesnt HAVE to be a muslim ;)
When that earthquake hit pakistan and all those kids were left homeless and orphaned, it would have been nice to talk a little girl who would otherwise have no future other than being some smelly muslims 3rd wife and give her a chance at a good life....of course no way would they let a non muslim have one of those kids, they would kill them or let them starve first.
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I think it would be WONDERFUL to rescue a little girl from a muslim country and raise her free of islam :)
We're trying to do that with Sarah.
I mean a little girl from an ISLAMIC country, not a modern country with secular laws where one doesnt HAVE to be a muslim ;)
When that earthquake hit pakistan and all those kids were left homeless and orphaned, it would have been nice to talk a little girl who would otherwise have no future other than being some smelly muslims 3rd wife and give her a chance at a good life....of course no way would they let a non muslim have one of those kids, they would kill them or let them starve first.
Having a little Pakistani girl would raise some unique problems. You'd have to start discussing hair removal at an earlier age (and that's from her lip!).
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I think it would be WONDERFUL to rescue a little girl from a muslim country and raise her free of islam :)
We're trying to do that with Sarah.
I mean a little girl from an ISLAMIC country, not a modern country with secular laws where one doesnt HAVE to be a muslim ;)
Well, she is a little girl.....and Britain is iSSlamic. ;D
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I think it would be WONDERFUL to rescue a little girl from a muslim country and raise her free of islam :)
We're trying to do that with Sarah.
I mean a little girl from an ISLAMIC country, not a modern country with secular laws where one doesnt HAVE to be a muslim ;)
Well, she is a little girl.....and Britain is iSSlamic. ;D
Not totally YET
I wasnt a little girl at 15 ;)
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I think it would be WONDERFUL to rescue a little girl from a muslim country and raise her free of islam :)
We're trying to do that with Sarah.
I mean a little girl from an ISLAMIC country, not a modern country with secular laws where one doesnt HAVE to be a muslim ;)
Well, she is a little girl.....and Britain is iSSlamic. ;D
Not totally YET
I wasnt a little girl at 15 ;)
Discipline would have sorted you out! ;)
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I think it would be WONDERFUL to rescue a little girl from a muslim country and raise her free of islam :)
We're trying to do that with Sarah.
I mean a little girl from an ISLAMIC country, not a modern country with secular laws where one doesnt HAVE to be a muslim ;)
Well, she is a little girl.....and Britain is iSSlamic. ;D
Not totally YET
I wasnt a little girl at 15 ;)
Discipline would have sorted you out! ;)
:::D
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*Why don't you ask the more than half of the members here who believe this to do that. I respect this forum and if a mod or admin tell me to stop saying this I'll never say it again.
This is not what Chaim believes..this is his movement!
*That's the exception not the norm. I said they behave the way they do because of their genetics and that includes good behavior.
You're still wrong. You act on good or bad behavior based your free will...not because adenine, guanine cytosine and thyamine...Sure some have mental disorders, but we're not talking about that.
*I don't know because people like you make it hard to do research in this area. You show me that genes which effect all characteristics of all living things don't create evil.
Who are people like me? People like me are normal people who experience real life in all its forms..I see evil in white skin and I see evil in black skin. I see it more in black skin. I also see decency in white skin as well as in black skin...Sorry to say, none of that is genetics..all of that is free will.
*You're telling me the rate of crime for those who are raised by their natural decent parents is equal to that of third worlders raised by decent people? And I'm full of crap?
I NEVER said that! You are putting words in my mouth you stupid jerk! Sometimes kids raised by decent parents go on to do bad things due to the pressures of society and peer pressure...it happens in good old suburbia in the richest neighborhoods. I know Persian Jews who steal and are unethical...believe me, it's not the genes...it's free will and it's very sad to see it happen..Jew or no Jew. Third worlder or not...not saying both are equal. certain the third worlder will do worse than the non-third worlder, but it's because of the sick culture and not the DNA... So yes, you are full of crap until you realize what you are saying that bad or good behavior is genetic...There are two components that make up a personality...there is certainly some genetics involved..but you are forgetting the environment...the society that plays a role in shaping a human being to who they are...none of that is genetics...if you begin to claim that it is all genetics, you start getting close to a point where another holocaust can take place...and in that holocaust, you will be taking the righteous with the evil..so don't even go there...!
*The rate of them not turning out fine is much higher than that of Whites.
That doesn't mean it's genetics...and what you are stating is not necessarily a fact.
*Their inferior genes doesn't automatically make them evil but more likely so than Whites and Asians.
No, dummy, it's their culture...You are beginning to promote a possiblity of mass murder based on these silly assumptions of genetics.
*The Muslims want to exterminate infidels and I think the non-Muslim third worlders should be deported to their third world slums. I don't want to exterminate anyone except the Muslims so I don't think like them.
Ok, this is somethign else..not genetics...Muslims practice an ideology that makes them behave a certain way...it's not their DNA to be mean and murderous. And believe me, you don't need to have blood on your hands to exterminate Muslims...Just fence them in together and they will kill each other till not a single one is standing.. Believe me, Gd forbid, if any of them got the Bomb, they would first use it on each other before they use it on any of us. I say this because this is how compassionate Gd will be to us, Gd willing.
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I agree with Danny here, completely. This genetics talk is crazy and makes us look like Whorefront. I thought we all knew better than this. PEOPLE CHOOSE EVIL (or righteousness).
I also pretty much agree with Danny on the subject of gay adoption. A child adopted by fags has some shot at a decent life. To leave a child trapped in the "system" for his or her entire life is a fate almost worse than hell. A badly twisted and perverse loving home is better than life in an institution.
Oh my gosh! CF we are agreeing with each other on taboo topics!!! Wow, how nice is this! High five!
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I agree with Danny here, completely. This genetics talk is crazy and makes us look like Whorefront. I thought we all knew better than this. PEOPLE CHOOSE EVIL (or righteousness).
I also pretty much agree with Danny on the subject of gay adoption. A child adopted by fags has some shot at a decent life. To leave a child trapped in the "system" for his or her entire life is a fate almost worse than hell. A badly twisted and perverse loving home is better than life in an institution.
You think that people have the ability to choose evil? If you are right about this, it would suggest that black people are more naturally prone to heartless, callous, impulsive, and cruel behavior because they have the ability to choose between right and wrong, and they choose evil, which makes them much more morally culpable than someone who doesn't have the ability to choose because he has a mental defect or suffers from some sort of genetic disease.
If people theoretically have a full choice between choosing between good and evil, and overwhelmingly and consistently choose evil, it would suggest that there is something naturally evil about them, because there would be nothing else to explain why their choices are so consistent, if they do actually have the full and meaningful choice before them. If you reject this view and say that there is nothing naturally evil about them, then you concede the fact that they actually DON'T have the ability to CHOOSE between good and evil.
Zev, your logic is correct, but you are forgetting lots of other variables. The environment one is raised in from childhood into teenagehood into adulthood. Blacks, for example, grow up with each other in the projects, for the most part..get crappy parents who do drugs or lack a parent..and watch their peers do what they do. Just as any group behavior, some are tormented with name calling...while others don't know any better and think it's cool to join a gang and kill old ladies for intiation. A lot of these psychopaths are raised to think what we know as evil as good...The same is done with teh indoctrination of Muslim children in Islam and the young Nazis during Hitler's days. It's no excuse to be evil. So, if one is raised to believe at a young age that the sky is green and not blue, then they will always beleive the sky is green unless someone reindoctrinates them. So, some choose evil without knowing that it is evil and in fact good.
Likewise, we can get an example with affluent neighborhoods and certain cultures which promote competition. I think well to do Jews are a great example. A person might have been raised by good parents, but due to pressures in their profession and wanting to be #1 because their parents always made him feel #1 and to make ends me, he cheats or commits insurance fraud in the medical field to make a few extra bucks and be richer than his neighbor...this person chose evil...people choose evil because it's easier...Some people choose to have sex at random because it feels good and gives the instant gratification. We can be taught that it isn't good and that we shoudl do these things...but still smart people will choose good because it's good for us..the more feable minded will choose bad.
One will be presented with a choice of an apple and a candy bar. We all know that the candy bar is unhealthy and the apple is better for us...therefore some will choose the candy bar knowing it's bad for them and eat it anyway...that's with any good and evil action.
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JTF's position on race isn't a taboo topic, Danny. Chaim says the same thing that we do--that it is all due to culture and individual choice.
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I thought this would be by Chaimfan since he only wants to adopt. He believes The World is overpopulated but we need to have more babies of our own because Third World babies are being produced at a much faster rate. How are we going to win the demographic war without having more First World babies?
My aunt in Israel used to have a friend who adopted a black Brazilian baby.
Adoption of children from foreign countries is largely in part to the fact that women in Israel have abortions, so there isn't much of a domestic market.
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JTF's position on race isn't a taboo topic, Danny. Chaim says the same thing that we do--that it is all due to culture and individual choice.
the gay part about adopting kids....
However, you are a fine example of someone is from a nationality that is considered third world, but you, yourself, are a great exception to what we generally see...And I wouldn't be a part of JTF if it was about genetics and race..
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*Why don't you ask the more than half of the members here who believe this to do that. I respect this forum and if a mod or admin tell me to stop saying this I'll never say it again.
This is not what Chaim believes..this is his movement!
*That's the exception not the norm. I said they behave the way they do because of their genetics and that includes good behavior.
You're still wrong. You act on good or bad behavior based your free will...not because adenine, guanine cytosine and thyamine...Sure some have mental disorders, but we're not talking about that.
*I don't know because people like you make it hard to do research in this area. You show me that genes which effect all characteristics of all living things don't create evil.
Who are people like me? People like me are normal people who experience real life in all its forms..I see evil in white skin and I see evil in black skin. I see it more in black skin. I also see decency in white skin as well as in black skin...Sorry to say, none of that is genetics..all of that is free will.
*You're telling me the rate of crime for those who are raised by their natural decent parents is equal to that of third worlders raised by decent people? And I'm full of crap?
I NEVER said that! You are putting words in my mouth you stupid jerk! Sometimes kids raised by decent parents go on to do bad things due to the pressures of society and peer pressure...it happens in good old suburbia in the richest neighborhoods. I know Persian Jews who steal and are unethical...believe me, it's not the genes...it's free will and it's very sad to see it happen..Jew or no Jew. Third worlder or not...not saying both are equal. certain the third worlder will do worse than the non-third worlder, but it's because of the sick culture and not the DNA... So yes, you are full of crap until you realize what you are saying that bad or good behavior is genetic...There are two components that make up a personality...there is certainly some genetics involved..but you are forgetting the environment...the society that plays a role in shaping a human being to who they are...none of that is genetics...if you begin to claim that it is all genetics, you start getting close to a point where another holocaust can take place...and in that holocaust, you will be taking the righteous with the evil..so don't even go there...!
*The rate of them not turning out fine is much higher than that of Whites.
That doesn't mean it's genetics...and what you are stating is not necessarily a fact.
*Their inferior genes doesn't automatically make them evil but more likely so than Whites and Asians.
No, dummy, it's their culture...You are beginning to promote a possiblity of mass murder based on these silly assumptions of genetics.
*The Muslims want to exterminate infidels and I think the non-Muslim third worlders should be deported to their third world slums. I don't want to exterminate anyone except the Muslims so I don't think like them.
Ok, this is somethign else..not genetics...Muslims practice an ideology that makes them behave a certain way...it's not their DNA to be mean and murderous. And believe me, you don't need to have blood on your hands to exterminate Muslims...Just fence them in together and they will kill each other till not a single one is standing.. Believe me, Gd forbid, if any of them got the Bomb, they would first use it on each other before they use it on any of us. I say this because this is how compassionate Gd will be to us, Gd willing.
Your argument is so weak and pathetic. There isn't a shred of evidence that Blacks choose evil yet there is evidence that they are genetically inferior. You're the same clown that said Blacks are genetically superior to Whites when I made that poll and said Blacks have stronger teeth and sense of smell etc. You were the only idiot that voted for that option. Not even Erica voted for that. What a hypocrite. If Blacks have stronger teeth, have a stronger sense of smell and are an intense people like you said why can't Whites have inherit advantages to them.
It's a crime to say that this is human: (http://assets.espn.go.com/i/magazine/new/patrick_ewing_gtown.jpg)
first off, i wasn't serious about blacks being genetically superior when i made those comments..and it because it was a dumb poll with an intent to race bait! I even picked Osama Obama when someone put a poll of who one would vote for if he/she ran for president... Iwasnt' being serious there either. And people who know me on this forum know me for my silly tendencies when things get too heated and intense here. I was also playing devil's advocate wtih that race bating question which has no place in this religious forum. JTF isn't a movement that gives a crap about genetics..It gives a crap about behavior.
YOu can go to StørmFrønt if you want to hate non-whites because of their genetics. They would be perfect for your points of view..But not here..and definatley not with me and CF, who happens to be from one of those "inferior" races.
And as far as Patrick Ewing...he can theoretically procreate with your mom or sister (if you have one) or daughter (if you have one)...so would that make any of them non-human?
You're pathetic, Ralph.
And my arguement isn't weak..It's only weak to you because you disagree with me.
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first off, i wasn't serious about blacks being genetically superior when i made those comments..and it because it was a dumb poll with an intent to race bait! I even picked Osama Obama when someone put a poll of who one would vote for if he/she ran for president... Iwasnt' being serious there either. And people who know me on this forum know me for my silly tendencies when things get too heated and intense here. I was also playing devil's advocate wtih that race bating question which has no place in this religious forum. JTF isn't a movement that gives a crap about genetics..It gives a crap about behavior.
YOu can go to StørmFrønt if you want to hate non-whites because of their genetics. They would be perfect for your points of view..But not here..and definatley not with me and CF, who happens to be from one of those "inferior" races.
And as far as Patrick Ewing...he can theoretically procreate with your mom or sister (if you have one) or daughter (if you have one)...so would that make any of them non-human?
You're pathetic, Ralph.
And my arguement isn't weak..It's only weak to you because you disagree with me.
Culture and upbringing do effect one's achievement and morals but not as much as heredity. If you say that Blacks are low achievers and immoral because of their culture then you have to explain why they are like this everywhere they live on this planet generation after generation. Your argument that Muslims are evil because of Islam is more effective because Christian Arabs are different than the Muslims. Blacks are such filth they actually convert to Islam. They look for evil culture because their genetics makes it difficult for them to do otherwise. Blacks have less free will than non-Blacks.
I still disagree....THe reason you bring up isn't necessarily a result of genes...but more likely, in my opinion, the traditions of those Africans who can't seem to do anything right. I"m not suggesting that if you take huge african communiteis out of africa and put them in France they will improve....My arguement here is about adoption, a blank slate child of a third world and putting him/her in a priveleged home around good culture. IT is much less likely for something to go wrong with that child.
You seem to be so certain about genetics being a bigger thing than environment..and i really think you are misguided. Look at what many whites are beginning to do...the so called "superior" genes...Now a lot of them imitate blacks. It's not the genes...it's the society and peer pressure and environment that's making them make these choices.
And here is another problem with the arguement that genes play a bigger role in actions than enviornment: While there are some that make an excuse to cause a holocaust, you'll have others on teh opposite end that will say, "oh it's their genes, so we can't blame them becuase they were born that way...and more and more people will take it upon them to act in these evil ways and come up with the execuses that they were born that way...
Think about it, Ralph. Your opinion is not logical.
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It is every couples dream to have a child of their own. But lets say for some reason for example: G-d forbid the woman can not produce a child for medical reasons and the couple adopts.
What do you feel about adoption?
A lot of white couples ending up adopting black babies for some reason.
Do they have this in Israel that Jewish couples if they can not make babies for some reason end up adopting an Arab baby?
And what is the Jewish law on adoption?
Just curious about that,, No I am not adopting so don't worry lol. Just a question.
I have 3 adopted kids and they are god gifts.
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It is every couples dream to have a child of their own. But lets say for some reason for example: G-d forbid the woman can not produce a child for medical reasons and the couple adopts.
What do you feel about adoption?
A lot of white couples ending up adopting black babies for some reason.
Do they have this in Israel that Jewish couples if they can not make babies for some reason end up adopting an Arab baby?
And what is the Jewish law on adoption?
Just curious about that,, No I am not adopting so don't worry lol. Just a question.
I have 3 adopted kids and they are G-d gifts.
Seriously. Australian kids?
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It is every couples dream to have a child of their own. But lets say for some reason for example: G-d forbid the woman can not produce a child for medical reasons and the couple adopts.
What do you feel about adoption?
A lot of white couples ending up adopting black babies for some reason.
Do they have this in Israel that Jewish couples if they can not make babies for some reason end up adopting an Arab baby?
And what is the Jewish law on adoption?
Just curious about that,, No I am not adopting so don't worry lol. Just a question.
I have 3 adopted kids and they are G-d gifts.
Seriously. Australian kids?
Well now they are older, youngest had just turned 17 ;)
But yes they are Australian.
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the gay part about adopting kids...
Who cares, if I were seven and stuck in a rotten asylum where I was constantly getting beaten up by older hoods, I really don't think I would care if two men screwing each other promised me a better life.
However, you are a fine example of someone is from a nationality that is considered third world, but you, yourself, are a great exception to what we generally see...And I wouldn't be a part of JTF if it was about genetics and race..
I think you are overanalyzing, but thanks for the compliment. ;)
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Ralph, you are a worm.
Danny is a good man and you are quickly showing yourself to be a troll.
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the gay part about adopting kids...
Who cares, if I were seven and stuck in a rotten asylum where I was constantly getting beaten up by older hoods, I really don't think I would care if two men screwing each other promised me a better life.
However, you are a fine example of someone is from a nationality that is considered third world, but you, yourself, are a great exception to what we generally see...And I wouldn't be a part of JTF if it was about genetics and race..
I think you are overanalyzing, but thanks for the compliment. ;)
YOu seem to have moderated a little bit...what gives? no more firebrand as much
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I always have had these views. I hate the (evil) blacks and Hispanics and always have/will, but it's just idiocy to say that they were born robotically programmed to be evil.
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Fags should NOT adopt kids.
Fags have ZERO real interest in children. They are NOT women and have NO biological clock.
They simply want to use kids as props to buy acceptance from mainstream society....."Look! We've got a relationship, a house AND kids same as you people! You HAVE to accept what we do as perfectly normal now."
Kids should not be used as props for radical gay political ends.
Secondly.......
Kids doing their homework while two 'men' have sodomy or eat each other's poop in the bathroom 10 feet away is a sick mockery of parenthood!!
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adoption is fine imo.
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Fags should NOT adopt kids.
Fags have ZERO real interest in children. They are NOT women and have NO biological clock.
They simply want to use kids as props to buy acceptance from mainstream society....."Look! We've got a relationship, a house AND kids same as you people! You HAVE to accept what we do as perfectly normal now."
Kids should not be used as props for radical gay political ends.
Secondly.......
Kids doing their homework while two 'men' have sodomy or eat each other's poop in the bathroom 10 feet away is a sick mockery of parenthood!!
I can understand this general viewpoint but when push comes to shove, I care about unwanted kids more than I hate fags.
If the fags are capable of taking care of a kid and won't molest it, I would rather that society's throwaway kids have a chance with them than be eternal discards.
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Fags should NOT adopt kids.
Fags have ZERO real interest in children. They are NOT women and have NO biological clock.
They simply want to use kids as props to buy acceptance from mainstream society....."Look! We've got a relationship, a house AND kids same as you people! You HAVE to accept what we do as perfectly normal now."
Kids should not be used as props for radical gay political ends.
Secondly.......
Kids doing their homework while two 'men' have sodomy or eat each other's poop in the bathroom 10 feet away is a sick mockery of parenthood!!
I can understand this general viewpoint but when push comes to shove, I care about unwanted kids more than I hate fags.
If the fags are capable of taking care of a kid and won't molest it, I would rather that society's throwaway kids have a chance with them than be eternal discards.
CF,
They WON'T take 'troubled' kids. They won't want hoodlums destroying their dinky little renouvated, tastefully decorated fag pads.
They'll compete with straight people to adopt newborns and that waiting list is too long as is.
I say again.................They simply want to use kids as props to buy acceptance from mainstream society....."Look! We've got a relationship, a house AND kids same as you people! You HAVE to accept what we do as perfectly normal now."
Kids should not be used as props for radical gay political ends.
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there is always having a test tube baby
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Ralph, I am Hispanic. Please be careful of who you are talking about.
And no, I don't buy it, and would not buy it no matter what my makeup was. Your views are utterly baseless and make us look like loons.
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Actually Newman... fag couples tend to go for older children and nonwhite kids more than they do newborns. I have an online friend who researches adoption extensively because she wants to adopt someday, and has statistics on every imaginable angle of it.
I could(n't) care less about the queers, and most certainly do not think they have the right to adopt, but as I said earlier, I am more interested in seeing kids who have gotten screwed over in life have some semblance of normalcy than punishing them. There are other ways to punish fags than by denying children no one wants some shot at a productive life.
Understand my reasoning. I do not want fags to be able to adopt. I want the maximum number of kids possible to have a chance at love.
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Actually Newman... fag couples tend to go for older children and nonwhite kids more than they do newborns. I have an online friend who researches adoption extensively because she wants to adopt someday, and has statistics on every imaginable angle of it.
I could(n't) care less about the queers, and most certainly do not think they have the right to adopt, but as I said earlier, I am more interested in seeing kids who have gotten screwed over in life have some semblance of normalcy than punishing them. There are other ways to punish fags than by denying children no one wants some shot at a productive life.
Understand my reasoning. I do not want fags to be able to adopt. I want the maximum number of kids possible to have a chance at love.
If they're so concerned let the 'mamma' fag do vollunteer work at the bastard baby home.
There's NO WAY you'll limit ed fag adoptions to older kids only. It will open the door to regular adoption for these queers to adopt kids over straight people.
Secondly there's NO WAY on earth I'll ever believe they won't try and steer the kids to be gay. You're straight.......in what direction will you guide your kids? I rest my case.
Just imagine mama and pappa fag with their kids.........."Jonny eat up all your feces or you won't get any semen for desert"!
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Fags should NOT adopt kids.
Fags have ZERO real interest in children. They are NOT women and have NO biological clock.
They simply want to use kids as props to buy acceptance from mainstream society....."Look! We've got a relationship, a house AND kids same as you people! You HAVE to accept what we do as perfectly normal now."
Couldn't put it any better.
Tolerating=encouraging
Kids adopted by gay couples will turn out more messed up and mentally ( if not even physically) abused, then they probably would otherwise.
I watched a program where two men adopted two teenage girls and made them sit everyday in a circle for half an hour to discuss what they called "girly" things such periods, make-up...it was pervy.
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Why don't they just open the door wide open if they're gonna let fags adopt kids?
How about single, middle aged men adopting teenaged girls?
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Of course they aren't ideal homes--but I still would argue that many times a fag home is better than 10/12/15/18 years in a G-dforsaken orphanage that likely has a faggot, child-abusing staff anyway.