Author Topic: Question on Adoption? Just out of curiosity (Read 9509 times)

MasterWolf1 · « **on:** November 15, 2007, 03:24:19 PM »

It is every couples dream to have a child of their own. But lets say for some reason for example: God forbid the woman can not produce a child for medical reasons and the couple adopts.

What do you feel about adoption?

A lot of white couples ending up adopting black babies for some reason.
Do they have this in Israel that Jewish couples if they can not make babies for some reason end up adopting an Arab baby?

And what is the Jewish law on adoption?

Just curious about that,, No I am not adopting so don't worry lol. Just a question.

Lisa · « **Reply #1 on:** November 15, 2007, 03:28:59 PM »

Two of my nieces are adopted. I remember reading in one of Rabbi Kahane's books that these children need to be formally converted to Judaism by an Orthodox rabbi.

kellymaureen · « **Reply #2 on:** November 15, 2007, 03:31:45 PM »

Nothing wrong with adopting.
I think its hard to adopt out of your race, far as I know they try to put black children with black parents, of course there are the stars like angelina who do it, but thats what wealth and fame can buy you.

Ive wanted to adopt a baby from Romania since I saw the documentaries on how badly they live in the orphanages, and that alot of them are just dropped off because the parents cant afford them....but Im a little bit single and cant even manage to walk through the SPCA without crying a river and wanting to take them all home with me, Id never manage to get through an orphanage without wanting them all and breaking down...and well I only have a 3 bedroom house

Husar · « **Reply #3 on:** November 15, 2007, 03:42:48 PM »

You've got a great big heart, kellymaureen.

WestCoastJTF · « **Reply #4 on:** November 15, 2007, 04:11:28 PM »

It's very, very difficult to adopt in the US. We have millions of abortions every year, yet people have to go overseas to adopt. That alone should tell you how insane America has become.

In Eastern Europe, Russia, etc., things are closing down. I know someone who went that route and explored it thoroughly. His research showed that every child from the ex-Communist countries that was put up for adoption had medical issues. Those that seemingly didn't usually had fetal alcohol syndrome...the recommendation was to take video of the infant, ship it back to the US, and have a specialist examine it for tell-tale signs.

I have a cousin that adopted two children from Guatemala as infants. My personal feeling is that there is nothing wrong with this. I wouldn't care if someone adopted children from Africa. It's about culture, not race. If you bring up your children as good people, it doesn't matter what's in their genes - we're all children of God (though some people left home pretty early on!)

kellymaureen, I'm with you...I can't walk through animal shelters. Every day when I get home I hug my dog (who nonetheless doesn't realize how spoiled he is...)

Sarah · « **Reply #5 on:** November 15, 2007, 04:48:10 PM »

If these couples cannot have children, and opt for adoption then sometimes they adopt children they wouldn't be able to have even if they were able to. e.g Whites adopting Black children.

I think adoption is a great thing to do but people have to make sure they consider the childs future before everything, otherwise it is selfish. I think the celebrities who adopt sometimes have selfish intentions as they like the attention or the fact they have a "variety" of children from around the world, which makes them different.

Also, is taking a child away from their own country always a great thing, if you adopt children from countries other then your own?

Tzvi Ben Roshel1 · « **Reply #6 on:** November 15, 2007, 04:54:11 PM »

Quote from: Lisa on November 15, 2007, 03:28:59 PM

Two of my nieces are adopted. I remember reading in one of Rabbi Kahane's books that these children need to be formally converted to Judaism by an Orthodox rabbi.

I dont think that Rav Kahane would have written that. (if I understood you correctly). As far as I know what is done is that the child is acked at 13 (or 12 for girl). If they want to be Jewish or not, if yes then they go threw conversion and if not then no.

WestCoastJTF · « **Reply #7 on:** November 15, 2007, 05:14:16 PM »

Quote from: Sarah on November 15, 2007, 04:48:10 PM

Also, is taking a child away from their own country always a great thing, if you adopt children from countries other then your own?

A few points:

the child obviously knows nothing - he or she is an infant when this occurs
the child can certainly learn about his background when he grows up, if he is interested. However, I have several Korean friends who were adopted by Americans as babies and they self-identify as Americans. Their interest in Korea is not that intense because all of their culture orientation is American
in most cases, children adopted overseas are truly orphans
...and the big one...in many cases in the US, the birth mother can come and take the child back years later if she wants! Seriously. It's happened many times so there's always a legal cloud. Some people go through a "surrogate" mother - they find a woman who's pregnant, pay her expenses, and adopt the child...then when the kid is seven years old suddenly some stranger shows up and says "you're coming with me". It's insane, but it happens. Obviously, not a problem if you adopt from a third world country.

As a side note, I would caution that most religions teach that in vitro fertilization (IVF) is immoral and is not a good way to have children.

OdKahaneChai · « **Reply #8 on:** November 15, 2007, 05:40:03 PM »

Quote from: Lisa on November 15, 2007, 03:28:59 PM

Two of my nieces are adopted. I remember reading in one of Rabbi Kahane's books that these children need to be formally converted to Judaism by an Orthodox rabbi.

He talks about it in one of his articles that appears in the book "On Jews and Judaism." The funny thing is the the family he talks about were told by a Reformed "rabbi" in Detroit that the child only needed to be "raised Jewish." Now I'm from Detroit and my family are all Reform, so I have a feeling that could have been my parents' "rabbi"!

Lisa · « **Reply #9 on:** November 15, 2007, 05:59:23 PM »

Quote

He talks about it in one of his articles that appears in the book "On Jews and Judaism."

Yes OdKahaneChai! That's where I read it.

Raulmarrio2000 · « **Reply #10 on:** November 15, 2007, 06:00:32 PM »

Nobody has talked about the worst side of adoption yet. What is a Gentiles or a secular Jew adopts a Jewish child. Great danger. Hopefully there are no Jewish orphans. I think the Kehilot take care of them and places them in a Jewish observant family. But it could happen someday......

Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks · « **Reply #11 on:** November 16, 2007, 12:51:36 AM »

Well, I want to adopt, and I only want to adopt. I in fact would love to adopt a little black child, with the hopes of saving his or her soul from the beastly culture.

I am not sure about an Arab child. Part of me really thinks that in that culture, every child is demonically possessed and is a mortal danger to everything I hold near and dear. I guess that if I could be 100% positive he or she was not irrevocably brainwashed by devil-worship yet that I would adopt one.

Trumpeldor · « **Reply #12 on:** November 16, 2007, 12:52:46 AM »

Adoption is good.

Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks · « **Reply #13 on:** November 16, 2007, 12:53:46 AM »

Quote from: Trumpeldor on November 16, 2007, 12:52:46 AM

Adoption is good.

Cool.

Trumpeldor · « **Reply #14 on:** November 16, 2007, 12:56:13 AM »

Quote from: C.F. on November 16, 2007, 12:53:46 AM

Quote from: Trumpeldor on November 16, 2007, 12:52:46 AM
Adoption is good.
Cool.

I think you should have some kids at least for the reason that your wit and insight should be passed onto the next generation.

Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks · « **Reply #15 on:** November 16, 2007, 12:57:59 AM »

I have never had the desire to, at all. G-d knows there are far more little souls that need good homes than will ever receive them. That is where my heart is.

And wit and intellect is a matter of upbringing more than genes. Jewish culture is proof of that.

Trumpeldor · « **Reply #16 on:** November 16, 2007, 01:02:16 AM »

Quote from: C.F. on November 16, 2007, 12:57:59 AM

I have never had the desire to, at all. G-d knows there are far more little souls that need good homes than will ever receive them. That is where my heart is.

And wit and intellect is a matter of upbringing more than genes. Jewish culture is proof of that.

To change the subject slightly, I know of perfectly happy people who don't have or want kids period. That isn't for me, but I respect their decision.

Dr. Dan · « **Reply #17 on:** November 16, 2007, 02:48:34 AM »

I have no problem with adoption...black, white, chinese..whatever...

but gay couples? you know? What if there is an unwanted child that nobody wants to adopt, i think they are better off with a gay parents then never having any... What do you guys think?

oddly enough, I don't think gays should be allowed to get married, but i'm actually accepting adoption..wierd and illogical...

newman · « **Reply #18 on:** November 16, 2007, 04:40:25 AM »

Quote from: Ralph on November 16, 2007, 04:31:42 AM

I don't know what the hell you guys are talking about. Blacks, Arabs and third worlders behave the way they do because of their genetics. Period. There are so many cases of White couples who adopted these savages and when they mature they still behave like their evil kind.

An Australian abbo was adopted as a baby by a white American christian minister and his wife. He had a fine home and good upbringing. He was executed in Florida for multiple murder and had a criminal record as long as your arm.

Dr. Dan · « **Reply #19 on:** November 16, 2007, 07:59:29 AM »

Quote from: Ralph on November 16, 2007, 04:31:42 AM

I don't know what the hell you guys are talking about. Blacks, Arabs and third worlders behave the way they do because of their genetics. Period. There are so many cases of White couples who adopted these savages and when they mature they still behave like their evil kind.

YOU ARE SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WRONG!!!!! you are entitled to your opinion as long as when you state this in teh future that you include it as your opinion and not JTF's.

and to prove you are wrong, explain teh phenomenon of those people who's genetics you hate who convert to Judaism for example or are righteous...certainly that's not genetic!

And show me Mr. Scientist, the genes involved in creating evil...you are such full of bullcrap...very disgusting

Dr. Dan · « **Reply #20 on:** November 16, 2007, 08:03:53 AM »

On that note, I'm sure just as many examples of people who are born to their natural parents from decent families who went on to do crime
And on that note, I'm sure many more examples of adopted "third worlders" who were raised in decent homes without any mental genetic problems came out just fine and good citizens...

what is this bologna that DNA dictates evil?! Ugh, this is not a supremecist movement...I'm trying to defending the good name of JTF that this is NOT what it's here for. And it is soooo evil to say that because of someone's genetics they are automatically evil...ugh ugh ugh ugh ugh ugh....Ralph, i'm very very very disappointed in you! If you want a future in society, you have to change that attitude! Or else you might as well live in the mountains along with the very Muzzies you hate so much because the two of you think exactly alike!

RationalThought110 · « **Reply #21 on:** November 16, 2007, 08:08:53 AM »

I heard that some Jews in Israel have abortions. They could instead have the baby and give the baby up for adoption.

Ralph1 · « **Reply #22 on:** November 17, 2007, 07:14:04 PM »

Quote from: newman on November 16, 2007, 04:40:25 AM

An Australian abbo was adopted as a baby by a white American christian minister and his wife. He had a fine home and good upbringing. He was executed in Florida for multiple murder and had a criminal record as long as your arm.

I heard that Australian Aborigines have the highest crime rate in the world. Even higher than Blacks. They are 1% of the population of Australia yet make up 30% of Australia's prison. Is this true?

Ehud · « **Reply #23 on:** November 17, 2007, 07:25:59 PM »

The notion that if you adopt a baby of any race, he/she will end up the same if you raise him/her correctly is false. There is extensive research showing that even within the same family where the children were adopted at infancy, the white children perform substantially higher in school and on standardized testing than the black children, even though they are raised in the same households with similar resources, similar upbringing, etc.

If you adopt a black baby, you are running a higher risk that the child will have a lower IQ. Of course, there is a risk of this with any adopted baby, but the chance is much higher with black babies. Personally I would never adopt a baby unless I absolutely had no other choice. If my wife was infertile, (which I would take every effort to find out before marrying her), I would have a child with a surrogate mother.

Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks · « **Reply #24 on:** November 17, 2007, 08:57:12 PM »

I agree with Danny here, completely. This genetics talk is crazy and makes us look like Whorefront. I thought we all knew better than this. PEOPLE CHOOSE EVIL (or righteousness).

I also pretty much agree with Danny on the subject of gay adoption. A child adopted by fags has some shot at a decent life. To leave a child trapped in the "system" for his or her entire life is a fate almost worse than hell. A badly twisted and perverse loving home is better than life in an institution.