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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Lisa on December 01, 2007, 06:48:08 PM
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Today was Vito's press conference. He did a great job! And I had the pleasure of meeting the following JTF'ers:
Bullcat3
CJD
Danstx
Yasmine
Italian Zionist
The woman heading up New Yorkers For Immigration Control and Enforcement was there, as was Pamela Hall of Stop the Madrassa, who shot a video of the event.
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Thanks Lisa! And it was great to meet all the other JTFers!
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Sounds great. :)
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You are right Lisa. :)
Vito did a great job at his press conference and it was wonderful meeting up with you all. 8;)
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I'm gonna contact Pamela, and get some nice photos for the website.
Great job Vito!!!
Brian
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Why was it held on Shabbat? Jews shouldn't have come on to it on Shabbat.
America is not a Jewish state, Saturday is the day of the week on which the largest number of people are generally available to attend events like this, so it made sense for it to be on a Saturday.
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I had a Good time... Vito was Great and meeting my fellow JTFers was wonderful! O0
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Why was it held on Shabbat? Jews shouldn't have come on to it on Shabbat.
I didn't set the date, by the time I knew about it, it was already charged to Firster's card, so I went along with it. No big deal. And the only Jew there was Lisa.. none of the other JTFer's were Jewish there. Besides Yacov, you should know that not all Jews are observant, not even some of the Jews on this forum.
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Why was it held on Shabbat? Jews shouldn't have come on to it on Shabbat.
America is not a Jewish state, Saturday is the day of the week on which the largest number of people are generally available to attend events like this, so it made sense for it to be on a Saturday.
America is not a Jewish state, but there are many Jewish JTFers that wanted to come, but are observant. I would have gladly made it a Sunday afternoon if the date wasn't set already. But it's no big deal, I want to meet more JTF people soon.. we have to have a NY JTF meeting!
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I wanted to go and offer Vito my support. It wasn't "work" for me. And considering that my family and I drive and speak on the phone on Shabbat, I didn't see anything wrong with it.
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Why didn't they have it on a Sunday?
Or you could have said that you don't want Jews to attend.
WHAT?!?! Yacov, now you're talking crazy. I asked every Jewish NY JTFer to come..
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Vito, don''t try and discuss something like this with Yacov, he'll just get more and more irate, the best policy would be to ignore him if he says anything further on the topic.
Everyone is saying that Vito's speech was great, can someone tell me why it was great? What did he say?
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Why didn't they have it on a Sunday?
Or you could have said that you don't want Jews to attend.
WHAT?!?! Yacov, now you're talking crazy. I asked every Jewish NY JTFer to come..
If you want to win, you should not promote Sabbath desecration as part of your campaign. You are not required to keep Shabbat because you are a Gentile, but G-d blesses Gentiles for supporting The Jewish People. Encouraging them to desecrate Shabbat is not supporting The Jewish People.
Can I ask, in what way is listening to someone speak a form of work?
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Excellent Point Yacov, however Vito explained the circumstance and I fully understand his position.
I know that many more JTFers would have attended...All in All, It was a success and I hope WE have an even bigger turnout for the NEXT Meeting, right?
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Yacov, please don't jump down Vito's throat. He wasn't the one who set the date. And the fact that I decided on my own to go there and offer him my support does not mean that he was encouraging Jews to break the Sabbath. So please let this go.
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Why didn't they have it on a Sunday?
Or you could have said that you don't want Jews to attend.
WHAT?!?! Yacov, now you're talking crazy. I asked every Jewish NY JTFer to come..
Yacov you know that's not the case why say something like that. Vito has the highest respect for JTF and our Jewish members. There was other organizations that needed to be there. Sometimes things like this can't be scheduled on a Sunday.
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Vito, don''t try and discuss something like this with Yacov, he'll just get more and more irate, the best policy would be to ignore him if he says anything further on the topic.
Everyone is saying that Vito's speech was great, can someone tell me why it was great? What did he say?
I will e-mail you a transcript of exactly what I said. Uff.. you're a fiesty one for information, aye? ;D
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Vito, can you please email me a transcript of your speech as well? I'd like to post it on my blog.
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Vito, don''t try and discuss something like this with Yacov, he'll just get more and more irate, the best policy would be to ignore him if he says anything further on the topic.
Everyone is saying that Vito's speech was great, can someone tell me why it was great? What did he say?
I will e-mail you a transcript of exactly what I said. Uff.. you're a fiesty one for information, aye? ;D
Information is the second most potent weapon in existence. (lol) Really, I've just always been a curious guy.
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Why didn't they have it on a Sunday?
Or you could have said that you don't want Jews to attend.
WHAT?!?! Yacov, now you're talking crazy. I asked every Jewish NY JTFer to come..
Yacov you know that's not the case why say something like that. Vito has the highest respect for JTF and our Jewish members. There was other organizations that needed to be there. Sometimes things like this can't be scheduled on a Sunday.
Most of the people that were there from the other organizations would not have been able to make it if it was on a Sunday, either for church or political commitments.
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Why didn't they have it on a Sunday?
Or you could have said that you don't want Jews to attend.
WHAT?!?! Yacov, now you're talking crazy. I asked every Jewish NY JTFer to come..
If you want to win, you should not promote Sabbath desecration as part of your campaign. You are not required to keep Shabbat because you are a Gentile, but G-d blesses Gentiles for supporting The Jewish People. Encouraging them to desecrate Shabbat is not supporting The Jewish People.
Can I ask, in what way is listening to someone speak a form of work?
If they were walking there, it would be okay. But if they came by car, bus, or train, wouldn't be okay.
Well then, surely there's no problem as long as the Jewish guests were good walkers, or cyclers.
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Well I drove there. Also, my sister and her husband who live in New Jersey drove to my parents house today to visit. So what? Not everyone is going to be ultra observant.
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Vito, don''t try and discuss something like this with Yacov, he'll just get more and more irate, the best policy would be to ignore him if he says anything further on the topic.
Everyone is saying that Vito's speech was great, can someone tell me why it was great? What did he say?
I will e-mail you a transcript of exactly what I said. Uff.. you're a fiesty one for information, aye? ;D
Information is the second most potent weapon in existence. (lol) Really, I've just always been a curious guy.
It was a great speech. I really think at some point Vito should post it on here but thats up to him. Vito I would really like to see JTF work with the other organizations there today. I think it would be mutually beneficial to all the groups. We need to work on that.
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Vito was fantastic today! Congratulations again!
I just emailed you guys the pictures we took this afternoon! :)
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Vito, don''t try and discuss something like this with Yacov, he'll just get more and more irate, the best policy would be to ignore him if he says anything further on the topic.
Everyone is saying that Vito's speech was great, can someone tell me why it was great? What did he say?
I will e-mail you a transcript of exactly what I said. Uff.. you're a fiesty one for information, aye? ;D
Information is the second most potent weapon in existence. (lol) Really, I've just always been a curious guy.
It was a great speech. I really think at some point Vito should post it on here but thats up to him. Vito I would really like to see JTF work with the other organizations there today. I think it would be mutually beneficial to all the groups. We need to work on that.
I will post the speech, just to see what everybody thinks..
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Vito was fantastic today! Congratulations again!
I just emailed you guys the pictures we took this afternoon! :)
Hvala Jasmina O0
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Vito was fantastic today! Congratulations again!
I just emailed you guys the pictures we took this afternoon! :)
It was a great afternoon the pictures got here fine. Thanks
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I haven't gotten any email from you Jasmina. And there's nothing in my bulk folder either.
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OK, I got back one demon mailer, that must have been yours, sorry!
can you PM me your email address, again?
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Vito was fantastic today! Congratulations again!
I just emailed you guys the pictures we took this afternoon! :)
It was a great afternoon the pictures got here fine. Thanks
Yes you're right, I would love to do it again!
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I am the one that set the date. The reason I picked a Saturday was only because this is the day that most people can attend an event. I in no way meant to offend the Jewish faith. I am sure as Vito's campaign progresses we will also have events held on Sundays.
Also, Vito is running for "NY STATE" Assembly, not for any religious title of any denomination.
One of our main goals is our war with islam, and a big part of that is because they want everyone to follow their ways. Wouldn't we be doing the same thing by bowing to pressures of any other religious group. This event was not a JTF event, it was Vito's candidacy announcement and the Loyalist party ballot referendum to debate isalm announcement. While there were members of JTF there, there were also members of UAC and NYICE. All faiths, except one, are welcome into our party. In the future, there will be more events held on Saturdays, some on Sundays and even some during the week. Dates are picked based on what is best for Vito, the Loyalist party, and the majority of people who can participate. Any offense done to anyone is not intentional.
Yes, Vito's speech was great. He had a great preplanned answer for those who have already begun calling us nazis and those who will continue to do so. When he read the quote from a famous person in history singing the glorious praises of islam, and that person turned out to be hitler.
Also, unlike any other politician, Vito calls the enemy what it is, islam, not some other excuse of a term.
Pamela Hall of the UAC and Stop the Madrassa also gave a great speech and took many pictures.
I am glad to have met all you guys. Between JTF, UAC and NYICE, there really was a great bunch of people.
Anyone living in Vito's district we need you in June to August to collect signatures. We need you in November to vote for him. If you do not live in his district we still need you, there is much work to be done.
The Loyalist party will also be attempting to collect 50,000 signatures(city wide) during the petition period to have isalm officially and publicly debated by the city council. According to the city charter they, the Human Rights Commission and the Office of Emergency Management would be neglecting their required duties if they did not.
Anyway, the Loyalist Party apologizes if we offended our Jewish members in any way.
I also would like to thank everyone for patiently sitting through me stumbling through the opening remarks.
We had people there from Queens, Brooklyn, Manhattan, Long Island and New Jersey. I would say that is a good start.
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We should have members in the NY area to do this.
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I am the one that set the date. The reason I picked a Saturday was only because this is the day that most people can attend an event. I in no way meant to offend the Jewish faith. I am sure as Vito's campaign progresses we will also have events held on Sundays.
Also, Vito is running for "NY STATE" Assembly, not for any religious title of any denomination.
One of our main goals is our war with islam, and a big part of that is because they want everyone to follow their ways. Wouldn't we be doing the same thing by bowing to pressures of any other religious group. This event was not a JTF event, it was Vito's candidacy announcement and the Loyalist party ballot referendum to debate isalm announcement. While there were members of JTF there, there were also members of UAC and NYICE. All faiths, except one, are welcome into our party. In the future, there will be more events held on Saturdays, some on Sundays and even some during the week. Dates are picked based on what is best for Vito, the Loyalist party, and the majority of people who can participate. Any offense done to anyone is not intentional.
Yes, Vito's speech was great. He had a great preplanned answer for those who have already begun calling us nazis and those who will continue to do so. When he read the quote from a famous person in history singing the glorious praises of islam, and that person turned out to be hitler.
Also, unlike any other politician, Vito calls the enemy what it is, islam, not some other excuse of a term.
Pamela Hall of the UAC and Stop the Madrassa also gave a great speech and took many pictures.
I am glad to have met all you guys. Between JTF, UAC and NYICE, there really was a great bunch of people.
Anyone living in Vito's district we need you in June to August to collect signatures. We need you in November to vote for him. If you do not live in his district we still need you, there is much work to be done.
The Loyalist party will also be attempting to collect 50,000 signatures(city wide) during the petition period to have isalm officially and publicly debated by the city council. According to the city charter they, the Human Rights Commission and the Office of Emergency Management would be neglecting their required duties if they did not.
Anyway, the Loyalist Party apologizes if we offended our Jewish members in any way.
I also would like to thank everyone for patiently sitting through me stumbling through the opening remarks.
We had people there from Queens, Brooklyn, Manhattan, Long Island and New Jersey. I would say that is a good start.
It was very nice to meet you too - firster555. Vito is very lucky to have you in his corner.
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Yacov, encouraging and inviting are two different things. Everyone there and everyone invited were adults. We will continue to invite our Jewish supporters to Saturday events and our Christian supporters to Sunday events. It is their choice to attend or not.
I hope we can get off this now and concentrate on Vito's campaign which will be not only be beneficial to Jews and Christians, but more importantly, to Americans.
Thanks for the compliment bullcat, it was great meeting you also.
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I am the one that set the date. The reason I picked a Saturday was only because this is the day that most people can attend an event. I in no way meant to offend the Jewish faith. I am sure as Vito's campaign progresses we will also have events held on Sundays.
Also, Vito is running for "NY STATE" Assembly, not for any religious title of any denomination.
One of our main goals is our war with islam, and a big part of that is because they want everyone to follow their ways. Wouldn't we be doing the same thing by bowing to pressures of any other religious group. This event was not a JTF event, it was Vito's candidacy announcement and the Loyalist party ballot referendum to debate isalm announcement. While there were members of JTF there, there were also members of UAC and NYICE. All faiths, except one, are welcome into our party. In the future, there will be more events held on Saturdays, some on Sundays and even some during the week. Dates are picked based on what is best for Vito, the Loyalist party, and the majority of people who can participate. Any offense done to anyone is not intentional.
Yes, Vito's speech was great. He had a great preplanned answer for those who have already begun calling us nazis and those who will continue to do so. When he read the quote from a famous person in history singing the glorious praises of islam, and that person turned out to be hitler.
Also, unlike any other politician, Vito calls the enemy what it is, islam, not some other excuse of a term.
Pamela Hall of the UAC and Stop the Madrassa also gave a great speech and took many pictures.
I am glad to have met all you guys. Between JTF, UAC and NYICE, there really was a great bunch of people.
Anyone living in Vito's district we need you in June to August to collect signatures. We need you in November to vote for him. If you do not live in his district we still need you, there is much work to be done.
The Loyalist party will also be attempting to collect 50,000 signatures(city wide) during the petition period to have isalm officially and publicly debated by the city council. According to the city charter they, the Human Rights Commission and the Office of Emergency Management would be neglecting their required duties if they did not.
Anyway, the Loyalist Party apologizes if we offended our Jewish members in any way.
I also would like to thank everyone for patiently sitting through me stumbling through the opening remarks.
We had people there from Queens, Brooklyn, Manhattan, Long Island and New Jersey. I would say that is a good start.
It was very nice to meet you too - firster555. Vito is very lucky to have you in his corner.
firster555 you had a first class operation going today. Starting from scratch is always a hard thing to do however you and Vito gave an impressive presentation today. Folks as a life long Republican who doesn't stray to far from the party line I have to say I have a very good feeling about The Loyalist Party. I read some of their platform points today and was pleasantly surprised to see that they are very similar to how we see things at JTF. From what I was told they have only two political races in the fire now however I would like to see this party break into some other venues. We need some new blood in the political process and I think this group may just be part of the answer.
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Yacov, encouraging and inviting are two different things. Everyone there and everyone invited were adults. We will continue to invite our Jewish supporters to Saturday events and our Christian supporters to Sunday events. It is their choice to attend or not.
I hope we can get off this now and concentrate on Vito's campaign which will be not only be beneficial to Jews and Christians, but more importantly, to Americans.
Thanks for the compliment bullcat, it was great meeting you also.
I agree with you Firster555, and I look at this as a great step forward for ALL of us here!
Let's keep the momentum going... so The Next Meeting should be Twice as Good! O0
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Jews must keep Shabat. A Gentile must NEVER enocurage or help a Jew to break Shabat. A Goy is forbidden to keep a WHOLE Shabat, but perhaps he should avoid driving to a meeting that was held to support Israel.
I usually try to avoid any work for Jews on Shabat. Not writing articles about Israel, not signing petitions supporting Israel.....
At first it was forbidden to work for Let-be-land's State affairs on Shabat, since it supports Israel, and all persons, whether Jews or Gentiles were encoraged not to see our sites or write to us. Now it is allowed, since Let-be-land also supports other causes: ecology, the unborn's right to life, free speech...... so a goy can work on non-Jewish issues on Shabat in our sites
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Jews must keep Shabat. A Gentile must NEVER enocurage or help a Jew to break Shabat. A Goy is forbidden to keep a WHOLE Shabat, but perhaps he should avoid driving to a meeting that was held to support Israel.
I usually try to avoid any work for Jews on Shabat. Not writing articles about Israel, not signing petitions supporting Israel.....
At first it was forbidden to work for Let-be-land's State affairs on Shabat, since it supports Israel, and all persons, whether Jews or Gentiles were encoraged not to see our sites or write to us. Now it is allowed, since Let-be-land also supports other causes: ecology, the unborn's right to life, free speech...... so a goy can work on non-Jewish issues on Shabat in our sites
Raul, I DID NOT encourage any Jew to break Shabat. I invited them, if they're not observant.. they come, if not, they don't come, very simple..
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Inviting is a form od encouraging. It's like inviting a Jew to a non-kosher dinner, only that eating non-kosher is not so serious as breaking Shabat. By the way, was food served at that meeting? Was it kosher?
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No. There was only coffee and tea.
So can we now please stop jumping on Vito and Firster because I went there of my own free will?
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No. There was only coffee and tea.
So can we now please stop jumping on Vito and Firster because I went there of my own free will?
Are you Jewish? If so, at least avoid making your Shabat violations public, lest other Jews learn to do the same.
Without Shabat, no human effort shall save Israel.
Gentiles are strengthened by working ( at least ritually) all the week, Jews by keeping Shabat. Gentiles are doing their job and Jews not, that's why Israel is weak.
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Sorry Raulmarrio, I disagree.
Being observant is fine and commendable. But it's not enough. We Jews must also take action. Being part of the forum is one example of taking action, as is driving to a meeting a few minutes away from my parents house to support a fellow JTF'er. So please don't preach to me.
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No. There was only coffee and tea.
So can we now please stop jumping on Vito and Firster because I went there of my own free will?
Are you Jewish? If so, at least avoid making your Shabat violations public, lest other Jews learn to do the same.
Without Shabat, no human effort shall save Israel.
Gentiles are strengthened by working ( at least ritually) all the week, Jews by keeping Shabat. Gentiles are doing their job and Jews not, that's why Israel is weak.
Raul, you're not Jewish, but you preach to Jews as though you are. What religion do you follow if you don't mind me asking?
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No. There was only coffee and tea.
So can we now please stop jumping on Vito and Firster because I went there of my own free will?
Are you Jewish? If so, at least avoid making your Shabat violations public, lest other Jews learn to do the same.
Without Shabat, no human effort shall save Israel.
Gentiles are strengthened by working ( at least ritually) all the week, Jews by keeping Shabat. Gentiles are doing their job and Jews not, that's why Israel is weak.
Why don't you stop. Jewish people are highly intelligent. They know what they have to do. Raulmarrio2000 you sound like you need to get a life. Anything that was done today was only beneficial to JTF and the Jewish people nothing was done with evil intent. Sometimes an issue can be worn thin as is being done now.
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Sorry Raulmarrio, I disagree.
Being observant is fine and commendable. But it's not enough. We Jews must also take action. Being part of the forum is one example of taking action, as is driving to a meeting a few minutes away from my parents house to support a fellow JTF'er. So please don't preach to me.
If it was a few minutes away, why didn't you just walk?
Yacov, you're taking this out of perportion. Even Chaim said that Jews should become observant by following the mitzvot step by step. They don't turn observant over night.
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No. There was only coffee and tea.
So can we now please stop jumping on Vito and Firster because I went there of my own free will?
Are you Jewish? If so, at least avoid making your Shabat violations public, lest other Jews learn to do the same.
Without Shabat, no human effort shall save Israel.
Gentiles are strengthened by working ( at least ritually) all the week, Jews by keeping Shabat. Gentiles are doing their job and Jews not, that's why Israel is weak.
Raul, you're not Jewish, but you preach to Jews as though you are. What religion do you follow if you don't mind me asking?
He's a Torah observant Gentile. He practices The Seven Noahide Laws, the Torah laws which G-d gave to The Gentiles.
Ah, makes sense now. When my Hebrew gets better I would like to start studying the Hebrew Torah..
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Jews must keep Shabat. A Gentile must NEVER enocurage or help a Jew to break Shabat. A Goy is forbidden to keep a WHOLE Shabat, but perhaps he should avoid driving to a meeting that was held to support Israel.
I usually try to avoid any work for Jews on Shabat. Not writing articles about Israel, not signing petitions supporting Israel.....
At first it was forbidden to work for Let-be-land's State affairs on Shabat, since it supports Israel, and all persons, whether Jews or Gentiles were encoraged not to see our sites or write to us. Now it is allowed, since Let-be-land also supports other causes: ecology, the unborn's right to life, free speech...... so a goy can work on non-Jewish issues on Shabat in our sites
Does Let Be Land support Israel more than it supports Judea?
Let-be-land supports Am Yisrael. We usually prefer to say "Israelites", not Jewish, Judean or Israeli. Anyway I must be honest, many of our citizens do little or nothing for Israelites or the other causes we defend. Our Constitution only demands that any citizen promises fidelity to the General Pronciples, and one of them is a recognition of Israelite rights on EY. But there is no law binding them to work. Some do not even vote in the referendums. And we are very few! We can't do much. I wonder when we will have the 36 insiders to change the provisional Govt. and write a new constitution. No changes can be done, except by an assambly of 36 or more. Up till then, all powers are provisional.
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Yacov, it was a few minutes away by car. Walking would have taken very long.
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Yacov, it was a few minutes away by car. Walking would have taken very long.
What town was the conference in?
Bayside
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Yacov, it was a few minutes away by car. Walking would have taken very long.
What town was the conference in?
Bayside
I thought Bayside was a neighborhood in Queens.
It is - Bayside, Queens
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Honestly this is horrible. Need I remind folks here that for months almost over a year our forum ran 24-7. How did that fit in with Shabat? Religion is not a tool to beat others to death with. Lets have some understanding here. The idea is to get folks to embrace religious teachings. This is done with learning and kindness not ridicule.
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But do you still recognize The State of Judea even though we no longer have diplomatic relations?
Yes, we never abolished the recognition decree. And besides, our Laws also provides for de facto recognition to all States who fulfill ONE OR MORE of the 3 requierements.
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Oy!
Why do topics about Vito get hijacked into controversial topics. The one about his picture, gone bad. This one, gone bad. Maybe some others that I have missed.
Moderators, why don't you move out posts that don't belong here. This isn't fair.
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Sorry I couldn't make it. Glad things went well for Vito and hope the campaign kicks off in high gear. Let's try to get a more definitive NY JTF meeting together, maybe during the coming holiday season when the most people will be off from work and able to attend. O0
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But do you still recognize The State of Judea even though we no longer have diplomatic relations?
Yes, we never abolished the recognition decree. And besides, our Laws also provides for de facto recognition to all States who fulfill ONE OR MORE of the 3 requierements.
Do you support The State of Judea more than you support The State of Israel?
I know you agree with Israel on Samaritans and not with Judea but on nationalism issues, you'd agree with Judea more.
Well, first of all you must remember that we are mostly goyim and use archaic English, so the root for State is ST, while the root for Medinah is DN. It's a bit complicated for you to understand what ST means in Let-be-land.
Regarding Samaritans, of course I support their right to live in EY and keep their religion.
We don't recognise Israeli Govt because it allows abortions. If they protected the unborn, we wouldn't have been able to decoregnise them for the crimes in Gush Katif, since Azza was not anexxed by Israel, and the crime was comitted outside their formal territory. According to our Laws a State is not derecognised for crimes comitted outside its territory, but can be, in some cases, declared an enemy. Since the destruction of Gush Katif, Israeli symbols are forbidden in Let-be-land's headquarters
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Sorry I couldn't make it. Glad things went well for Vito and hope the campaign kicks off in high gear. Let's try to get a more definitive NY JTF meeting together, maybe during the coming holiday season when the most people will be off from work and able to attend. O0
No prob Ari, I have a very good feeling about this campaign - there are quite a few people that are willing to be dedicated to help me, I have a fighting chance with this help!
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Or you could have said that you don't want Jews to attend.
I don't think many mainstream Americans would have known why this is, and would thus assume Vito to be an anti-Semite.
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Well Judea is against abortions. So you recognize Judea's government but not Israel's? Judea's government is run according to Jewish Law. Judea's government's positions are based solely on Orthodox Torah Judaism.
Exactly, the Judean Govt is recognised. (Except in case you obtruct religious worship for Samaritans, Karaites or other minorities when you come to power)
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Even if Vito is encouraging Jews to break Shabbat (which he clearly is not), it's a moot point anyway because Jews are supposed to be in Israel. America is for the gentiles only, right Yacov? ::)
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This thread is about Vito. I don't know how it got hijacked into some nonsense story about encouraging Jews to sin that isn't true.
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Why was it held on Shabbat? Jews shouldn't have come on to it on Shabbat.
I wouldn't be surprised if Joe Lieberman campaigned on Shabbat, during the years that he was running for VP, president or re-election to the senate.
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Does he have to run in a primary or he has his party's nomination?
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...(sigh)... Next time, Vito, make your conferences for Saturday nights after Sundown.
Actually, you could hold a press conference/Saturday night dance party...
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...(sigh)... Next time, Vito, make your conferences for Saturday nights after Sundown.
Actually, you could hold a press conference/Saturday night dance party...
That's a really good idea.
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...(sigh)... Next time, Vito, make your conferences for Saturday nights after Sundown.
Actually, you could hold a press conference/Saturday night dance party...
Great idea O0, this makes a difference. ;) O0
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...(sigh)... Next time, Vito, make your conferences for Saturday nights after Sundown.
Actually, you could hold a press conference/Saturday night dance party...
Great idea O0, this makes a difference. ;) O0
Jewish men and women are not allowed to dance together!
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Finally!!!.....A political candidate that makes total sense...Vito!!
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Enough! I scheduled the date. It was not done in any way to offend anyone of the Jewish faith. I believe I already explained my reasons for picking a Saturday. Again, as I said, we will have more Saturday events in the future, as well as Sundays and weekdays. While we welcome Jewish members as well as Vito does, we also welcome members of other faiths and of no faiths at all. We are a secular party with the goal of preserving an America where all religions can worship as they choose, as long as they do not attempt to force this on all others, which excludes islam. As I said, everyone there and everyone invited are adults and have free will to choose if they attend or not.
I am a Christian that was raised Roman Catholic. I rarely attend mass on Sundays, I don't use rosary beads, I eat meat on Fridays. Is the NFL and the Beef industry encouraging me to go against rules of my faith?
I honestly believe this debate, if not out of line is at least definetly out of place and should be moved to another thread.
Vito is being attacked here and honestly you are not going to find many, if any, Gentile politicians, than Vito, who is more supportive of the Jewish faith.
Now, the idea of a Saturday night event sounds good. Two questions. How many people here would actually attend and how many people here would actually help with organizing it. Remember, I am talking about a Loyalist party event, not a JTF event, even though I am sure and hopeful there would be many JTF members in attendance.
Sorry about my lack of knowledge of the Jewish faith. Jewish men and women really are not allowed to dance together? If this is true, and the Loyalist party holds a dinner/dance/conference/fundraiser,etc. at a time acceptable to Jewish law, Saturday after sundown, but we had music with dancing, and our Gentile men and women danced with each other, would we be encouraging the Jewish members in attendance to do anything wrong? I am not trying to be sarcastic here, just showing how slippery this slope can get.
The Loyalist party is a secular political party and events can possibly be held 24/7.
I will definetly look into the Saturday night idea, but remember, this event would still be for all Loyalist party supporters, Jewish, Christian, Hindu or otherwise(except islam).
I know I am only a part time member here but I am begging the moderators to move this debate to another thread and let this one focus on Vito and his candidacy which is going to pick up steam. We already have other national third parties attacking us. If we were not a threat they would not be commenting on us.
RationalThought, no, Vito does not need to run in our party primary. The party only has one candidate in NY so far, and that is Vito. Remember, this party only started less than a year ago out in California. When it started at first it was just an idea, then a website was set up to gauge some interset, then the founding members started reaching out to groups such as the UAC(which is how I came to the party) which then reached out to other groups members, such as JTF, etc. We do have a couple thousand members nationally but are pretty well spread out, which obviously has advantages and disadvantages. Vito has stepped up to run for office under our banner in NY. We are actively recruiting more candidates for more offices, not only in NY, but nationally. Our ultimate goal is congress, but unknowns with no money do not start off running for congress. You start locally and build from there, which is our game plan.
We have one other candidate so far who I believe will be running for city council in LA, which I believe is next year. Vito's opponent is Democrat Ann Margaret Carrozza. She is a 7 term incumbent. This is mainly because the Republicans have never really put up a serious challenger. They always have a name on the ballot just to hold their ballot line. Some of these candidates have actually recieved over 30% of the vote in some years without any campaigning. This district is also the most conservative district in the city outside of Staten Island. This district is screaming for a conservative change, they just have never been given much of an option. Vito is the option.
The election rules are ridiculous though. A republican or democrat candidate needs to collect 500 signatures to get on the ballot, an independent candidate needs to collect 1,500 to get on the same ballot. To get in the same class as the dems and republicans, as far as ballot access, all a party needs to do is put up a candidate for governor, have that candidate listed with the Board of Elections under that parties name, and recieve at least 50,000 votes in the election. They will then hold this status until the next Governours election, when they must repeat this to hold that status. This is the NY state laws. Other states have different rules. Some much worse, some much better. When we get to the point of holding primaries, we are doing good.
Just for some focus. One of the bigger third parties out there, the Constitution party, has members attacking us(see thirdpartywatch.com under Vito vaccaro). They have been around since 1992. We have been around since 2007. How many people here know of the Constitution party? How many people here know of any of their candidates? Do they have a candidate in NY? 16 years to 1. Vito will be one of the pioneers of the Loyalist party.
Now, back to a Saturday night event, obviously it would have to be somewhere in NY. It really should be in Vito's district although this is not 100% necessary but is highly recommended. Anyone willing to help organize it?
Thanks to all for the compliments. We will improve as we go along. Also, I promise, if we have a Saturday night dinner/dance, there will be Kosher food there. Though I must be 100% honest here, I am not really sure just what constitutes food being Kosher. I have heard many different explanations. There will also be non Kosher food there, though everything will be labeled so we do not ENCOURAGE anyone to do anything wrong.
Also, there was not a single comment on the big issue, Vito's goatee. I say this now with a solid unblemished record of heterosexuality, even with a goatee he looked good.
Now, Vito Vaccaro for NY Assembly 08!
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Vito is being attacked here and honestly you are not going to find many, if any, Gentile politicians, than Vito, who is more supportive of the Jewish faith.
I'm not being attacked, Yacov is just being Yacov. I don't take any offense to it, really.
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Why didn't they have it on a Sunday?
Or you could have said that you don't want Jews to attend.
WHAT?!?! Yacov, now you're talking crazy. I asked every Jewish NY JTFer to come..
If you want to win, you should not promote Sabbath desecration as part of your campaign. You are not required to keep Shabbat because you are a Gentile, but G-d blesses Gentiles for supporting The Jewish People. Encouraging them to desecrate Shabbat is not supporting The Jewish People.
Vito did absolutely nothing to encourage the desecration of the sabbath. You're the only one bringing this up. It's not Vito's fault.
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I may be wrong but is gathering with friends considered work?
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I may be wrong but is gathering with friends considered work?
Yacov is talking about driving to the press conference. If every Jew walked to the conference, it wouldn't be a problem.
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OK, I'm locking this thread, as it's going nowhere.