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Title: Goodbye JTF
Post by: Jihad Drama Queen on January 06, 2008, 09:38:58 AM
I know I said my previous would be my last post unless certain issues were resolved in a positive manner, but I have come to the conclusion that however things are resolved, there is no place for me on this website, or in any part of this organisation.

I have been accused of being some cold calculating missionary, trying to covertly convert you all, I've been told I'm "out of control", I've been accused of frequenting nazi websites, I have been told that I'm a disgrace to my ancestors, I was removed from being a moderator and a replacement was chosen without anyone informing me, I have been called arrogant and ignorant, and while I forgive the people concerned for what they have said, I no longer want any part in their organisation.

I will continue to support Israel and oppose Islam in other ways, there are other groups with which I can work, there are some great people here, but the overall ethos of this group is not one with which I wish to associate myself.

Having said that, I see no reason to delete my account, though I do not intend to log into it again, my pms are set up to automatically be forwarded to my email address, so if anyone wishes to remain in contact with me, pm me your email address and I will respond.

I'm sorry that I have to leave, but it has come to a point at which I believe I would have to abandon my principles and my faith in order to remain a part of this organisation, I hope that there will not be a lasting enmity between members of this forum and myself, but on this note I must say goodbye.

Sincerely

FTF

Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: Nic Brookes on January 06, 2008, 09:47:10 AM
Well done everyone, you have forced this great member away.
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: mord on January 06, 2008, 09:47:54 AM
I visit WN sites that does'nt make me a WN i like to read what they are saying.As far as being a missionary never saw that from you
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: Daniel on January 06, 2008, 09:57:02 AM
FTF, I think you tend to take things a little too personally. In any online forum, there is going to be a certain degree of "flaming" on any and every member. If we were to let this influence us to leave the forum, then the forum would be virtually empty. So I think you should ask yourself or re-examine what is motivating your decision here. If it's some nasty remarks by a few people, then big whoop. Don't let that drive you away. Either way, it's your decision to make and you know what's best for you.
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: Dr. Dan on January 06, 2008, 10:08:50 AM
This forum has many hard line members..but take no heed...

and a lot of these hard line members are loony themselves so quit being such a p-ssy !

Let me just add, you apologizing was the right thing and I commend you for it.
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: Dan on January 06, 2008, 10:10:41 AM
All I can say is,  being overly sensitive to criticism can be a problem on this forum...
You can not be considered an extremist group/organization and be mild mannered and polite ALL the time, you have to bite the bullet sometimes and get over it. You will have to develop a hard shell and have all those insults and remark just bounce off you, for OUR objective IS not to insult you or ridicule your way of thinking.
In closing, I think your an alright guy and I'd like for you to stay on the Forum.  O0
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: cjd on January 06, 2008, 10:24:25 AM
ftf I think you should take a few day and think about things. I don't think you need to leave the forum. I fact I think you would be making a mistake.  You speak your mind and along with that will come responses and comments that you may not like to see. I was a little put off by your comment the other day challenging Chaim but I really believe you had no ill intent in it besides proving your position. You have been here from the start of the forum and have always wrote some very good stuff. I was always impressed about how much you know about Islam and many other religions. Your grasp on world politics is very good for someone your age. In my opinion if you leave the forum it will be a loss and I think some other folks here feel the same way. I always say if you don't like the heat stay out of the kitchen so when you post on issues that you know will raise the hackles of others you had better be ready to take some heat. After reading your posts for almost 2 years I know you write whats on your mind so why quit now. Stick around and debate your point of view. If your wrong you will learn something and if your not you will have proved your point. 
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: MassuhDGoodName on January 06, 2008, 10:50:12 AM
Nic Brookes:  "...Well done everyone; you have forced ftf away..."

I beg your pardon, Nic Brookes!

I have never forced anyone away from this forum.

There are some on the forum, unfortunately, who can not make the same statement regarding their forcing me from this forum.
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: Husar on January 06, 2008, 11:04:42 AM
Dear ftf, the JTF Serbian section of this great forum
would probably have MUCH MORE rest if I didn't register,
yet, I did...and stayed, whatever the cost
on my Human nerves, because of
the meekness of other Serbs there...

 ;)

I ask you to stay.

 O0

Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: nessuno on January 06, 2008, 11:26:09 AM
I agree FTF - I think you should stay. 
After being dewinged and dishonored - you stuck it out - I admired that.
We are not here to agree all the time - We are here for a cause.
I think CJD is right.  Take some time to think about it.
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: MasterWolf1 on January 06, 2008, 12:40:57 PM
I think you should stay, but maybe a few days to relax and think about it. 
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: Husar on January 06, 2008, 12:48:38 PM
I think you should stay, but maybe a few days to relax and think about it. 

Yes, eat some roasted muSSlim thigh,
enjoy some relaxing massage,
and come back, fresher than ever !!!

 O0 O0 O0
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: Ehud on January 06, 2008, 12:51:03 PM
I would like you to stay as well, FTF.  Think of all the members who appreciate you, along with the ones who don't, when you make your decision to leave.  It might be too late for that now, so I wish you the best of luck whichever way you choose. 

Farewell. 
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: MasterWolf1 on January 06, 2008, 12:53:49 PM
Ftf, you just gt to not say things that will aggravate others, I get mad when someone tries to aggravate me or say something that I may find insulting.  It is a 2 way street when it comes to respecting others.   I think you are best to take a few days off rest and think about it carefully.  I think you are a great member to the forum.
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: briann on January 06, 2008, 01:06:29 PM
I'll admit there is a bit more name calling in this forum than others, but its not reason to leave.  Ive seen people accuse some of the most ardent supporters of the JTF as being Nazis.  You cant please everyone.

Brian

Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: Nic Brookes on January 06, 2008, 01:22:25 PM
I think that ftf would probably want to see what Yacov and newman have to say about this.
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: Ehud on January 06, 2008, 01:25:44 PM
I think that ftf would probably want to see what Yacov and newman have to say about this.

I think he knows what they have to say about it.  hehe  ;)
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: Daniel on January 06, 2008, 01:25:55 PM
I think that ftf would probably want to see what Yacov and newman have to say about this.

Yes, Yacov needs to ban FTF from leaving ;)
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: jdl4ever on January 06, 2008, 01:30:52 PM
I think that you have made some great contributions to the forum with regard to the excellent anti-Islam essays you wrote and the entertaining ideas and threads you made in the fight against Islam section.  Therefore I appreciate it if you would stay on the forum.  However, if you are unable to take the heat then this isn't the place for you.  Don't expect to post inflammatory or offensive material on the forum and not expect those offended to say some nasty things back at you. 
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: Hail Columbia on January 06, 2008, 01:34:00 PM
ftf, you're a great guy, and all of us here stand to lose if you decide to leave for good.  Your contributions to this forum, particularly on the topic of Islam, are invaluable, and it is going to be very hard to find someone who has the kind of dedication that you have on that field.
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: Joe Schmo on January 06, 2008, 02:44:32 PM
FTF knows how I feel.
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: Sarah on January 06, 2008, 03:19:47 PM
FTF DON'T YOU DARE.

Ftf doesn't missionise, I've discussed Christianity with him and he debates but never tries to covert anybody, he is very respective of the rules and a very polite and pleasent person. A great asset to JTF....he is exceptionally intelligent as well.
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: Sarah on January 06, 2008, 03:24:56 PM
FTF DON'T YOU DARE.

Ftf doesn't missionise, I've discussed Christianity with him and he debates but never tries to covert anybody, he is very respective of the rules and a very polite and pleasent person. A great asset to JTF....he is exceptionally intelligent as well.


So you agree with what he says about Islam?



No I don't. That doesn't change what I think of his character though.
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: Nic Brookes on January 06, 2008, 03:26:48 PM
Yacov, why are you not saying anything to ftf? Do you regret losing someone with such knowledge on Islam?
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: judeanoncapta on January 06, 2008, 03:33:30 PM
I'll be the only honest person here and say that I'm glad to see you go, ftf.
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: Sarah on January 06, 2008, 03:38:01 PM
I'll be the only honest person here and say that I'm glad to see you go, ftf.

How are you being the only honest person Judeaoncapta. Other people truly want ftf to stay, and for reasons as well.
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: judeanoncapta on January 06, 2008, 03:38:54 PM
I'll be the only honest person here and say that I'm glad to see you go, ftf.

How are you being the only honest person Judeaoncapta. Other people truly want ftf to stay, and for reasons as well.

I'll clarify.

The only person who is glad to see him go, who is also willing to say so.
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: judeanoncapta on January 06, 2008, 03:42:58 PM
If I went on the Christian task force and trashed the New Testament and defended a group of people who murdered thousands upon thousands of Christians, I would be banned immediately and CERTAINLY would NEVER have been made a moderator there for ANY period of time WHATSOEVER.

And if I then said that I was leaving the Christian Task force, I would NOT expect too many tears to be shed.

Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: serbian army on January 06, 2008, 04:07:36 PM
Big Serb friend is out of this forum :'( :'(
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: Sarah on January 06, 2008, 04:22:44 PM
So I will remove it then.

When has ftf ever bashed the Talmud?
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: ramen on January 06, 2008, 04:50:55 PM
goob bye sir.
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: Sarah on January 06, 2008, 05:10:46 PM
So I will remove it then.

When has ftf ever bashed the Talmud?

In the thread that started it all.
Saying that is should not be "trusted"and how some of the things It says give him a negative view of it. One does not have to be a genius to know WHAT kind hate websites give false or twisted quotes "exposing the Talmud" etc. Only clueless people will look at those falseties against the Talmud and make conclusions that its a negative and "bad" book! People who don't know or understand the Talmud should just leave It alone. There was NO point in bringing it in the conversation in the first place.

Yes but the internet can make you believe anything, how would a non-jew know whether or not the quotes were correct?
Everybody has differing views and make comments that may annoy or hurt others but i mean, come on don't you think ftf has always been a respectful member of JTF?
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: JTFFan on January 06, 2008, 05:24:58 PM
It's his personal decision if he wants to stay imo ;)

Although he did defend Anus-T which was terrible! >:(

I'm sure some other JTF members might forgive or condemn him for that. ::) ;)
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: Dr. Dan on January 06, 2008, 05:30:48 PM
geez..i wonder what people would say about if i got angry in a huff and left!

"Good riddence to that self hating liberal Jew!"
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: JTFFan on January 06, 2008, 05:34:54 PM
geez..i wonder what people would say about if i got angry in a huff and left!

"Good riddence to that self hating liberal Jew!"

Dr. Dan you're a great member O0 I wouldn't think so  ;) I would think you had a terrible accident or a death in the family, but there would definitely be a reason ;)
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: DownwithIslam on January 06, 2008, 05:41:55 PM
Thank g-d FTF has removed himself. His banning would of been necessary anyways. I can remember him threatening to leave even while a moderator months back. I always wished he would just leave. I am a little late to this argument and saw his hideous comments in the other thread. Can you all imagine that at one point he was actually a moderator and was criticising Chaimfan? We do not need muslim apologists and anyone who has the chutzpa to compare jewish books to that muslim nazi wee wee pad, the Koran. This is no loss to the organization.
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: Husar on January 06, 2008, 05:46:33 PM
Thank g-d FTF has removed himself. His banning would of been necessary anyways. I can remember him threatening to leave even while a moderator months back. I always wished he would just leave. I am a little late to this argument and saw his hideous comments in the other thread. Can you all imagine that at one point he was actually a moderator and was criticising Chaimfan? We do not need muslim apologists and anyone who has the chutzpa to compare jewish books to that muslim nazi wee wee pad, the Koran. This is no loss to the organization.

If that was the case with ftf,
then, there's no loss.

I'm fed up with "respecters" of all kinds,
that seem to "respect" (so much) more our enemies,
than they "respect" their own People.

DOWNWITHISSLAM !!!

 O0 O0 O0
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: JTFFan on January 06, 2008, 05:50:10 PM
Thank g-d FTF has removed himself. His banning would of been necessary anyways. I can remember him threatening to leave even while a moderator months back. I always wished he would just leave. I am a little late to this argument and saw his hideous comments in the other thread. Can you all imagine that at one point he was actually a moderator and was criticising Chaimfan? We do not need muslim apologists and anyone who has the chutzpa to compare jewish books to that muslim nazi wee wee pad, the Koran. This is no loss to the organization.

Thanks for clearing that up DownwithIslam  O0, I guess I didn't know the half of it, I just only knew that ftf defended the traitorous Anus-T.  >:( Well, then if that's the case, then I'll definitely absolutely agree with you DownwithIslam  O0
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: DownwithIslam on January 06, 2008, 05:55:03 PM
Yes and even though this piece of garbage claims he left on his own, his account and ip should be terminated by the admins just to make sure that he never gets curious and comes wondering back to harass us some more.
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: Dr. Dan on January 06, 2008, 05:55:49 PM
geez..i wonder what people would say about if i got angry in a huff and left!

"Good riddence to that self hating liberal Jew!"

Dr. Dan you're a great member O0 I wouldn't think so  ;) I would think you had a terrible accident or a death in the family, but there would definitely be a reason ;)


G-D FORBID!!!!
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: JTFFan on January 06, 2008, 06:01:18 PM
geez..i wonder what people would say about if i got angry in a huff and left!

"Good riddence to that self hating liberal Jew!"

Dr. Dan you're a great member O0 I wouldn't think so  ;) I would think you had a terrible accident or a death in the family, but there would definitely be a reason ;)


G-D FORBID!!!!

G-D FORBID!!!! is right, but when a righteous member like yourself would just leave there would definitely be a reason instead of just one day you got bored and decided to leave
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: Ambiorix on January 06, 2008, 06:11:07 PM
It was clear you didn't do your homework before quoting those texts.
I think that your apologies are too late now. Otherwise everybody who likes to start New Testament - Talmud conflicts,
has the precedent to do so. In my opinion, the Jewish members, are also careful from New Testament bashing, so why don't we learn to
have some respect for each-other?

What do you want ftf? To ask JTF to rewrite the Talmud , and take out all texts ftf dislikes?


A bit too absurd for words.
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: Daniel on January 06, 2008, 06:15:26 PM
I haven't seen ftf bash the Talmud at all. So I'm not sure what we're all referring to here. I just really hope it's nothing like the way Ted Pike bashes the Talmud by claiming that it says that it's permissable to have intercourse with three year old children. That is completely revolting!
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: Nic Brookes on January 06, 2008, 06:16:35 PM
Yes and even though this piece of garbage claims he left on his own, his account and ip should be terminated by the admins just to make sure that he never gets curious and comes wondering back to harass us some more.

He still agrees with everything on Islam, he should be able to access what is said about Islam. As Chaim says "In your heart you know we're right and in your guts you know they're nuts". ftf will see the way as he knows JTF is right.
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: Kiwi on January 06, 2008, 06:16:40 PM
FTF you know that last time I asked you to stay, I will ask you again, please stay.
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: Dr. Dan on January 06, 2008, 06:46:21 PM
geez..i wonder what people would say about if i got angry in a huff and left!

"Good riddence to that self hating liberal Jew!"

Dr. Dan you're a great member O0 I wouldn't think so  ;) I would think you had a terrible accident or a death in the family, but there would definitely be a reason ;)


G-D FORBID!!!!

G-D FORBID!!!! is right, but when a righteous member like yourself would just leave there would definitely be a reason instead of just one day you got bored and decided to leave

no, i can see myself getting bored or disenchanted with unreasonable extremists if they become the ruling voice of this forum..Luckily the vast majority here who are hardcore are also very decent and reasonable people.  I feel like i need to make my presence here when certain members get a little carried away with their sick minds of destruction to anyone who is different from him/her.  And the reason why i need to make my presence here is because JTF is a Torah Righteous movement meant to empower righteous Jews and Gentiles against evil doers.  However, we must be careful on who we lable as evil versus misguided.  We cannot forget mercy for certain people either.  Sometimes a conservative needs a liberal in his sea of advisors to keep himself from getting carried away.  Moderation is a good thing.
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: Kiwi on January 06, 2008, 06:49:42 PM
geez..i wonder what people would say about if i got angry in a huff and left!

"Good riddence to that self hating liberal Jew!"

 :::D Never, we would miss you too much.  ;)
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: Zvulun Ben Moshe on January 06, 2008, 09:18:20 PM
Ftf, you are a good guy, but we are still in the free portion of this world and thus if you find a better place for what you stand for, I think it will be better for you and for everyone else for that matter.

But let's agree on something - this forum will be the place that we all naturally  come back to and will always come back to, and that is all because of the great wisdom and sincerity of Chaim ben Pesach inherited from the great Rabbi Kahane and carried on by the growing team of idealists gathered here.
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: Nic Brookes on January 07, 2008, 05:06:29 AM
Well it looks like someone made ftf's decision for him...
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: Joe Schmo on January 07, 2008, 08:41:57 AM
Well it looks like someone made ftf's decision for him...

Yes.  Chaim said, "No one is banning you."
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: Ulli on January 07, 2008, 08:50:02 AM
Ftf, you are a good guy, but we are still in the free portion of this world and thus if you find a better place for what you stand for, I think it will be better for you and for everyone else for that matter.

But let's agree on something - this forum will be the place that we all naturally  come back to and will always come back to, and that is all because of the great wisdom and sincerity of Chaim ben Pesach inherited from the great Rabbi Kahane and carried on by the growing team of idealists gathered here.

This sentence is true. I was never active on such a great forum. :)
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: Shahid Oscar Award Finalist on January 07, 2008, 09:36:00 AM
I know people are not meant to post after being banned, and I did mean what I said in saying goodbye, I do however wish to keep in contact with some members of JTF, and therefore I had intended to leave my account active with my PMs set to forward to my email address, so that I could do so. I was therefore slightly annoyed to find that not only had my account been deleted, my IP had been banned as well, I've said many times that anyone who knows what they're doing can effortlessly evade an IP ban, I never thought I'd be demonstrating this myself...

If you want to stay in contact with me and I have not pmed you, please pm me asap.
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: Ambiorix on January 07, 2008, 10:51:33 AM
What do you want ftf? To ask JTF to rewrite the Talmud , and take out all texts ftf dislikes?


That's what people tried to do in Medeival Europe. In fact, many Talmuds were burned in Europe by Jew haters.



Let's pray the Jews never have to endure that again.
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: DALMACIJA on January 07, 2008, 11:22:48 AM
FTF is a comrade of the Serbs.

I hope he will at least continue his activities at the Serbian subforum.

I never had any problems with FTF.
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: IR0N GREEK on January 07, 2008, 11:52:36 AM
Thats a shame just because of a few anti-social members not keeping there mouth quiet
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: Ambiorix on January 07, 2008, 11:53:20 AM
Thats a shame just because of a few anti-social members not keeping there mouth quiet

What do you mean?

Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: Husar on January 07, 2008, 11:56:18 AM
Thats a shame just because of a few anti-social members not keeping there mouth quiet

Isn't this post "anti-social" ?...

 ;)
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: Dr. Dan on January 07, 2008, 12:09:02 PM
What do you want ftf? To ask JTF to rewrite the Talmud , and take out all texts ftf dislikes?


That's what people tried to do in Medeival Europe. In fact, many Talmuds were burned in Europe by Jew haters.



Let's pray the Jews never have to endure that again.


Barukh atta  halleluja!
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: Sarah on January 07, 2008, 12:27:50 PM
Yes and even though this piece of garbage claims he left on his own, his account and ip should be terminated by the admins just to make sure that he never gets curious and comes wondering back to harass us some more.
Piece of garbage?! How can you say that when Ftf did a lot of work for JTF and did support it on the whole?

Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: IR0N GREEK on January 07, 2008, 12:28:01 PM
lol husar never thought of it like that
he is turning his back on potential fellow jtfers  O0
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: IR0N GREEK on January 07, 2008, 12:35:06 PM
Keep him from getting curious you have got to be kidding me?!?!?!?!
Why dont we just find the ip addresses of every single individual in this whole flipping world that will get curious and harrass
Why dont you try Miss Clio or John Edwards to use there phychic powers!!!
You have got to be kidding me
worried about one individual in a world with billions
 :-X
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: Shahid Oscar Award Finalist on January 07, 2008, 12:48:23 PM
What do you want ftf? To ask JTF to rewrite the Talmud , and take out all texts ftf dislikes?


That's what people tried to do in Medeival Europe. In fact, many Talmuds were burned in Europe by Jew haters.


I had intended to use this new account just to hand out my email address to those I wish to stay in touch with after you banned my old account, but considering what's being said about me, I'd like to comment, I do not want the talmud edited, or banned, I just personally dislike what I've seen of it. Just like I personally dislike New Year parties, but I don't see any reason to ban them either. You surely dislike the Christian Bible, or you'd be a Christian, is it not therefore acceptable for me to dislike the Jewish talmud?
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: IR0N GREEK on January 07, 2008, 12:56:18 PM
Dude you are in a forum with a bunch of jews msn
put one plus one together
the christian bible is something you do your best not to bring up in this forum
i brought it up one day and i never heard the end of it
only speak of it if a members states an offensive comment about it then i believe you have the right
but other than that dont mention or bring it up in here
its like saying ni--er at a jesse jackson/al sharpton convention
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: Sarah on January 07, 2008, 01:52:57 PM
Dude you are in a forum with a bunch of jews msn
put one plus one together
the christian bible is something you do your best not to bring up in this forum
i brought it up one day and i never heard the end of it
only speak of it if a members states an offensive comment about it then i believe you have the right
but other than that dont mention or bring it up in here
its like saying ni--er at a jesse jackson/al sharpton convention

Why should you be silenced due to your views!? Its not a dictatorship thats being run here, just a forum where you can discuss things. To be respectable to the Jewish faith and laws is what is asked for, and ftf does comply with that.

Actually talk to him before talking your butt off. You don't even know what he's like, and have just formed an opinion based on the views of others.
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: Shahid Oscar Award Finalist on January 07, 2008, 02:29:31 PM
Sarah, please don't argue for me, I'm not staying here, I only created this new account to exchange email addresses with people I want to stay in contact with.

On that note, anyone who hasn't got my email address yet that wants to stay in contact with me, please pm me asap, I won't be logging into this account many more times.
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: Sarah on January 07, 2008, 03:09:16 PM
Sarah, please don't argue for me, I'm not staying here, I only created this new account to exchange email addresses with people I want to stay in contact with.

On that note, anyone who hasn't got my email address yet that wants to stay in contact with me, please pm me asap, I won't be logging into this account many more times.

No ftf, its not about arguing for you to you stay or not. People shouldn't be saying things that are rude, because they're not justified and shouldn't be said to you.
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: KansasJew on January 07, 2008, 03:22:39 PM
When dealing with emotional issues such as Religions and Lifestyles. You have to be intelligent and wise. You must know when to approach and comment on touchy/personal subjects. That is why one of our great Rabbis stated It is better to be quiet and listen than speak and be heard and then misunderstood.
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: Sarah on January 07, 2008, 03:51:20 PM
When dealing with emotional issues such as Religions and Lifestyles. You have to be intelligent and wise. You must know when to approach and comment on touchy/personal subjects. That is why one of our great Rabbis stated It is better to be quiet and listen than speak and be heard and then misunderstood.

Yes. Your posts are really good Btw. This is in context too, another post of yours.

Quote
It is interesting that Christians and Jews can work together on some subjects. However due to our Backgrounds and Theologies. There are some subjects or words that may offend each group. That is why it is difficult to work in a cohesive manner on some subjects. Let each of us speak and be smart and know when to pick our "battles"
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: Dr. Dan on January 07, 2008, 04:09:10 PM
I don't know why you say good bye but i say helllo hello hello...
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: Sarah on January 07, 2008, 04:40:11 PM
geez..i wonder what people would say about if i got angry in a huff and left!

"Good riddence to that self hating liberal Jew!"

Nooooo. Anyway, nobody would want the wacky cookie to leave. :)
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: JTFFan on January 07, 2008, 08:08:42 PM
geez..i wonder what people would say about if i got angry in a huff and left!

"Good riddence to that self hating liberal Jew!"

Nooooo. Anyway, nobody would want the wacky cookie to leave. :)

 :)
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: Kiwi on January 07, 2008, 08:38:54 PM
Dude you are in a forum with a bunch of jews msn
put one plus one together
the christian bible is something you do your best not to bring up in this forum
i brought it up one day and i never heard the end of it
only speak of it if a members states an offensive comment about it then i believe you have the right
but other than that dont mention or bring it up in here
its like saying ni--er at a jesse jackson/al sharpton convention

This forum supports Christians there are many members here that are.
There is a policy of NO CHRISTIAN BASHING.

They are respected members.



Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: JTFFan on January 07, 2008, 08:40:00 PM
Dude you are in a forum with a bunch of jews msn
put one plus one together
the christian bible is something you do your best not to bring up in this forum
i brought it up one day and i never heard the end of it
only speak of it if a members states an offensive comment about it then i believe you have the right
but other than that dont mention or bring it up in here
its like saying ni--er at a jesse jackson/al sharpton convention

This forum supports Christians there are many members here that are.
There is a policy of NO CHRISTIAN BASHING.

They are respected members.





Correct
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: dejavu on January 07, 2008, 08:50:03 PM
Just don't be an atheist like me  ::) ::)

Then ... eternal damnation O0
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: KansasJew on January 07, 2008, 08:53:29 PM
That is okay. We will be watching and drinking from Heaven while we wait on you to complete your required time of suffering and then you can pull up a chair and have a cold one with us.  O0
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: JTFFan on January 07, 2008, 08:58:48 PM
That is okay. We will be watching and drinking from Heaven while we wait on you to complete your required time of suffering and then you can pull up a chair and have a cold one with us.  O0

  :::D ;)
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: newman on January 07, 2008, 10:58:07 PM
GOOD!

Bugger off, ftf................and don't let the door hit you in the @ss on the way out.

Folks, this is NOT about differences of opinion or posts that some find disagreeable. Ftf has constantly missionised (both openly AND by stealth) and undermined Jewish texts and beliefs. We tollerate differing opinions at JTF but his activities were well out of order.

BTW, he's threatened to quit more times than I can count. I say he'll "be back!" like the nerdy terminator/missionary he is.
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: JTFFan on January 08, 2008, 01:54:51 AM
GOOD!

Bugger off, ftf................and don't let the door hit you in the @ss on the way out.

Folks, this is NOT about differences of opinion or posts that some find disagreeable. Ftf has constantly missionised (both openly AND by stealth) and undermined Jewish texts and beliefs. We tollerate differing opinions at JTF but his activities were well out of order.

BTW, he's threatened to quit more times than I can count. I say he'll "be back!" like the nerdy terminator/missionary he is.
LOL, well he was back under an alias to say "I wanted to give some people my contact email address but...." but then just ended up complaining.

 :::D :::D :::D
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: raiseyourfist on January 08, 2008, 02:06:32 AM
See you later FTF...

I know you talked about leaving a few months because you weren't allowed to proscletise on the forum .. then this little episode really put the nail in the coffin.

I think youve got the wrong end of the stick still about what we in JTF stand for but this is for you to work out on your own.. if you want to leave i won't hold you against it but i think you should have respect for judaism as this is a jewish forum...

I hope whatever it is your looking for that you find it out there and bonvoyage ! :-\
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: IR0N GREEK on January 08, 2008, 05:48:26 AM
Dude you are in a forum with a bunch of jews msn
put one plus one together
the christian bible is something you do your best not to bring up in this forum
i brought it up one day and i never heard the end of it
only speak of it if a members states an offensive comment about it then i believe you have the right
but other than that dont mention or bring it up in here
its like saying ni--er at a jesse jackson/al sharpton convention

Why should you be silenced due to your views!? Its not a dictatorship thats being run here, just a forum where you can discuss things. To be respectable to the Jewish faith and laws is what is asked for, and ftf does comply with that.

Actually talk to him before talking your butt off. You don't even know what he's like, and have just formed an opinion based on the views of others.
If you like to argue with other members in the forum take saras advice
hey i am not telling him what to do i was giving him advice on how to try to keep it a bit more peacefull because i talked about the christian bible on this forum and boy did i regret it
i ended up having to defend myself for a whole hour and i was still getting attacked.
Lets just try to keep the peace here because its better for the forum.
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: Ultra Requete on January 08, 2008, 05:58:42 AM
If you post in "extremist" forum you have to have guts to eat the lead I was almost banned for my first post but took the flak and stayed and I'm satisfied by this choice, Plus this is religius Jewish forum so you have to behave like good guest and respect our judiast hosts belives. You're OK and have great knowledge on ISSlam and I will gladly discuss with you in other places, so if you establish CTF and\or find other alternative plaese PM me.;)   
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: Kiwi on January 08, 2008, 06:08:10 AM
If you post in "extremist" forum you have to have guts to eat the lead I was almost banned for my first post but took the flak and stayed and I'm satisfied by this choice, Plus this is religius Jewish forum so you have to behave like good guest and respect our judiast hosts belives. You're OK and have great knowledge on ISSlam and I will gladly discuss with you in other places, so if you establish CTF and\or find other alternative plaese PM me.;)   

Ultra create it yourself.
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: Lisa on January 08, 2008, 01:56:32 PM
Quote
I had intended to use this new account just to hand out my email address to those I wish to stay in touch with after you banned my old account, but considering what's being said about me, I'd like to comment, I do not want the talmud edited, or banned, I just personally dislike what I've seen of it. Just like I personally dislike New Year parties, but I don't see any reason to ban them either. You surely dislike the Christian Bible, or you'd be a Christian, is it not therefore acceptable for me to dislike the Jewish talmud?

FTF let me try and explain something to you. 

Not following a certain religious text and disliking it are two separate matters.  You are a Christian and you follow the NT.  We Jews follow the Torah and the Talmud. 

Let me ask you this. 

How long do you think any Jewish member here would last on a Christian forum if they said flat out, and without provocation that they dislike the NT?  They would be told, in no uncertain terms to leave, just as we should have done with you ages ago. 

Your pity party here has gone on long enough.  GET OUT already!
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: Lisa on January 08, 2008, 05:42:30 PM
Here is a message directly from Chaimfan with who I am speaking on the phone right now as I type:

If you don't want to leave with enmity, quit going on about how you dislike the Talmud.  And go back to fellating Anus-T!

P.S.

You better hope I don't ever come to England. 
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: Lisa on January 08, 2008, 05:55:45 PM
Yacov,

Chaimfan says for me to tell you he's sorry he couldn't me of more help, as his computer is at the repair shop. 
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: Joe Schmo on January 12, 2008, 07:28:26 PM
FTF is in a BETTER place now.

Chaimfan is still a COWARD!
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: Joe Schmo on January 12, 2008, 08:14:22 PM
FTF is in a BETTER place now.

Chaimfan is still a COWARD!


You speak of him as if he was dead.

Indeed I do.
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: Hail Columbia on January 12, 2008, 08:36:52 PM
Damn it to hell, this thread should stay locked!
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: Joe Schmo on January 12, 2008, 08:38:50 PM
this thread should stay locked!

Why?
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: Joe Schmo on January 12, 2008, 08:49:52 PM
Why was it locked in the first place?
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: Joe Schmo on January 12, 2008, 08:53:11 PM
Lisa.  Why was this thread locked?
Title: Re: Goodbye JTF
Post by: Lisa on January 12, 2008, 09:30:58 PM
I locked it because FTF used this thread to play the victim and continue to belittle the Talmud.  This is first and foremost a Jewish forum.   If anyone disagrees with the Talmud or dislikes it, they can either keep quiet, or go and start their own forums/blogs.  If anyone has a question about what certain passages mean, they can ask Chaim or any of us, and we'll do our best to answer.   However, FTF never asked Chaim or any of us about the Talmud.  He just started going on, without any provocation, about how his distrusts, and dislikes the Talmud, and how it's his "duty" as a Christian to oppose it. 

Also, Chaimfan had me post his earlier comment as we were talking on the phone, and his computer is at a repair shop.