Robert D Steele.
I will kick this off with Mr. Steele, a "former" CIA operative. Here is an amazon.com review in which he asserts that the "Zionists" committed genocide against PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazis and the Lebanese. http://www.amazon.com/review/R3KBTY58VHKCWY/ref=cm_cd_NOREF?%5Fencoding=UTF8&newContentID=Tx113TWB5XALZTZ
You will notice that in the comments "student of the Vilna" calls him out on it. Mr. Steele has nothing to offer in response except for a slight ad hominem attack.
Why is this important?
Mr. Steele is very obviously an avid reader, judging from his extensive number of reviews on Amazon.com. Indeed, he is a very prominent reviewer of books on amazon that expose faults of America and some of the USA's more behind-the-scenes actions. He is a champion of the 9/11 Truth crowd, and judging by the number of reviews you might say he's a propagandist. But Mr. Steele's background tells us more. According to wikipedia, son of an oil tycoon, Steele was a clandestine services case officer with the CIA, ie a trained professional liar. He was a Marine Corp infantry and intelligence officer for 20 years, and from 1988-1992 was second-ranking civilian in US Marine Corps Intelligence. He is an advocate of "open source intelligence" and has written a few books on intelligence gathering and secresy.
He 'outs' himself very obviously in this amazon.com review. He is a blatant anti-semite promoting myths about Israel. It is impossible for me to believe that a man so high up in US intelligence could be so woefully uninformed as to honestly believe the lie he presented. I believe it is possible he is STILL employed by the CIA currently in some sort of specific clandestine media operation. There are others like him peppered throughout the mainstream media. But we'll get to them later.
For now, let's be wary of any information coming from him, and perhaps a few could add a comment or two to his bigoted comment or rate positively the comment from Student of the Vilna. I've only seen a couple other of his reviews and didn't notice any anti-Jewish statements.
Biblecal Identity they woke up in the 18oo's a decided their Israelites ;D"Pastor" Pete Petershttp://www.scripturesforamerica.com (http://www.scripturesforamerica.com)
Biblecal Identity they woke up in the 18oo's a decided their Israelites ;D"Pastor" Pete Petershttp://www.scripturesforamerica.com (http://www.scripturesforamerica.com)
Biblecal Identity they woke up in the 18oo's a decided their Israelites ;D"Pastor" Pete Petershttp://www.scripturesforamerica.com (http://www.scripturesforamerica.com)
Well can't say they didn't try ::) ;D
I think this has to be done ONLY for recent anti-semitism.
There was so much anti-semitism before 1980 in nearly every aspect of western conservatism and nationalism. Now... as weve seen, anti-semitism is starting to become more and more of an Islamic focus.
A good example is the BNP (British Nationalist Party). They used to be virulently antisemitic. Now.. under the leadership of Nick Griffin (Who Ive spoken to), it has become completely anti-Muslim.. and has even started allowing Jews to join.
Other than being against holocaust denial legislation, Theyve abandon pretty much abandon every aspect of Ant-semitism.. and have since become much more popular.
So basically.. we have to adapt too... and just focus on MODERN anti-semitism.
Brian
I think this has to be done ONLY for recent anti-semitism.
There was so much anti-semitism before 1980 in nearly every aspect of western conservatism and nationalism. Now... as weve seen, anti-semitism is starting to become more and more of an Islamic focus.
A good example is the BNP (British Nationalist Party). They used to be virulently antisemitic. Now.. under the leadership of Nick Griffin (Who Ive spoken to), it has become completely anti-Muslim.. and has even started allowing Jews to join.
Other than being against holocaust denial legislation, Theyve abandon pretty much abandon every aspect of Ant-semitism.. and have since become much more popular.
So basically.. we have to adapt too... and just focus on MODERN anti-semitism.
Brian
Let's not confuse anti-Islam with "anti semitism." Antisemitism was a term invented to describe the hatred of Jews, usually involving a racial component, since we were considered semitic peoples. Remember, back in Europe, they considered us too 'dark' to be considered white, and considered us a separate race in most cases. But antisemitism has become synonymous with Jew-hatred. Hatred of Islam is not a racial hatred or a dislike of all middle eastern people or Arabs. It is a legitimate disagreement with practices, a belief system, and documented behaviors that are dangerous to society. It is NOT antisemitism.
If the group hasn't dropped its desire to eliminate laws against Holocaust denial, no Jew in his right mind should align himself with that group. Jews shouldn't even live there in the first place, they should go to Israel (easy for me to say).
Under that Logic... The USA first-ammendmant supporters must be antisemetic.
Under that Logic... The USA first-ammendmant supporters must be antisemetic.
No. Holocaust deniers and revisionists are. It is extremely dangerous in Europe, where this event occurred, to allow denials. This is a surefire recipe for a repeat. The people fighting against laws already in place want to grant the "right" for more people to publish lies about the Holocaust. They are antisemitic. Nick Griffin himself was a holocaust denier for many years and has since made halfhearted renunciations in order to appeal to Jews with his party. He's not some champion of first amendment rights like you want to believe. Sorry bud. Don't trust a holocaust denier farther than you can throw him. I don't understand why you are PR'ing for a political party in this thread and telling us about the "reformed" Nick Griffin. This is a thread about antisemites and antisemitism. Please keep to that topic. Nick Griffin can certainly be listed here, but not as a promotion of his politics. He has engaged in YEARS of denial of the holocaust, calling it a myth, calling it a zionist conspiracy, and many other wild claims. The damage has been done.
Well this isn't the thread for it. But I will reiterate. Those people who are itching to remove the legislation are the very Holocaust deniers themselves. So that casts your point into doubt. In addition, I don't care if they think there is a Jewish conspiracy. They think that when they try to write Holocaust denial in the first place. It doesn't change anything except that people are held accountable if they try to peddle lies. They made the laws, not me, and David Irving deserved his jailtime. It is incomprehensibly evil to do what he tried to do. Let's keep this thread on the focus it was created for and we can have this discussion elsewhere if you'd like. This takes away from the purpose of this topic.
The argument of "ahmedinejad uses this..." is not valid. He uses plenty of tired dishonest narrative regarding PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazis too. The fact that uneducated or ignorant liberals eat it up doesn't change that it's completely contrary to reality. Thinking you can get them to stop making up stories by allowing them free reign to make up stories and publish them is illogical.