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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Dr. Dan on March 05, 2008, 07:23:28 AM
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this post is in reaction to the student he got arrested for throwing the koran in the toilet.
I ask if it is prudent to make a public demonstration against the Koran.
And if it is prudent, should we, in the JTF, do this together in one of the ways indicated?
Or will that hurt the movement?
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I chose other, pretend it was never written.
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Wheres the toilet option? To me that has the most tradition behind it. Or is this just too offensive to plumbers??
(http://www.loyalistparty.com/toilet-islam.jpg)
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Wheres the toilet option? To me that has the most tradition behind it. Or is this just too offensive to plumbers??
(http://www.loyalistparty.com/toilet-islam.jpg)
defication...just not worth plugging up toilets unless it is in a mosque.
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If we are trying to get along with those Amalekite beasts and savage antisemetic scum, then the best course of action would be to not destroy their holy writings that give them passage to do whatever the hell they want. It's OK and acceptable to burn such vile and violent writings... personally, i enjoy tearing out the pages and hadith's pertaining to the dhimmitude.
personally, i would really like to hear what Chaim has to say on the subject. I will consider the issue unresolved until then
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If we are trying to get along with those Amalekite beasts and savage antisemetic scum, then the best course of action would be to not destroy their holy writings that give them passage to do whatever the hell they want. It's OK and acceptable to burn such vile and violent writings... personally, i enjoy tearing out the pages and hadith's pertaining to the dhimmitude.
personally, i would really like to hear what Chaim has to say on the subject. I will consider the issue unresolved until then
This is a good idea. Please ask him in the actual radio-show. O0
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I voted first and second, the third option is good too, provided you have realy good ruber gloves. O0
It woud be prudent if properly organised and coordianated in mass scale.
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If we are trying to get along with those Amalekite beasts and savage antisemetic scum, then the best course of action would be to not destroy their holy writings that give them passage to do whatever the hell they want. It's OK and acceptable to burn such vile and violent writings... personally, i enjoy tearing out the pages and hadith's pertaining to the dhimmitude.
personally, i would really like to hear what Chaim has to say on the subject. I will consider the issue unresolved until then
i put it on the next askJTF..
I was only thinking since it is possible that the Koran uses Gd's name that it shoudln't be burned or deficated...but pig lard should do...
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I voted first and second, the third option is good too, provided you have realy good ruber gloves. O0
It woud be prudent if properly organised and coordianated in mass scale.
here's the deal though...if we were to do this en mass...let's say pig lard...we might be putting ourselves in danger or even be arrested for hate crimes...but if we could get away with it and give ourselves some media attention, this would be a nice way of doing things (of course with masks on)...
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But pretty soon people would catch on to masked men going into libraries with pig lard.
no i'm actually saying, buying korans
buying pig lard, spam, ham...
recording possibly on film and posting on you tube
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I am a Goy, but I voted not to do anything at all, since its has the Name on it.
Anyway I don't know why people care about the Koran, desecrating one copy will not erase the violent verses, you cannot make a book be forgotten nowdays. And nobody would care if a siddur is desecrated in USA, simply because the Jews don't demand respect. Here, there is a lot of anti-Semitism but, if someone attempted to offend Judaism, he would be in a great trouble. That's because the Jewish community in Argentina is always monitoring hate and sponsoring prosecutions. Just saying "I dislike Jews" could lead to a problem here, esepcially in large cities
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Well technically a Jew isn't allowed to have a book that has idol worship in it, and the koran is just as bad, so you shouldn't have it with you
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But pretty soon people would catch on to masked men going into libraries with pig lard.
no i'm actually saying, buying korans
buying pig lard, spam, ham...
recording possibly on film and posting on you tube
That sounds good. What we could try to do is call it an art form or something, because there are works of "art" that put animal dung on Christian religious symbols and those are even put in museums--it's called "dungism" and passes for an art form. If it can be done to Christians, why can't it be done to Muslims? Somehow I have a feeling that it would still get banned from zootube.
well someone can post it, but also send it to Fox News like, "woa look what I found!"
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G-d's name is not "Allah," so that option didn't make any sense.
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G-d's name is not "Allah," so that option didn't make any sense.
A-llah is used to mean G-d in Arabic. Even Jews and Christians say A-llah when speaking in Arabic. So it's forbidden to desecrate it.
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It is arabic language. It is not considered G-d's name. Those are only in Hebrew.
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And no matter how much the Arab world has pushed this myth, we (the Jews) do NOT have the same G-d as them (the moslems). THey believe in the koranic myth, while we believe in Hashem Who gave us the Torah and is described therein.
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It is arabic language. It is not considered G-d's name. Those are only in Hebrew.
But, then why are we supposed bot to write G-d in full in English? It is not Hebrew, and ancient Anglos probably meant pagan idols. Even more, Christians mean a Trinity, not Hashem. However, we respect the word.
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It is arabic language. It is not considered G-d's name. Those are only in Hebrew.
But, then why are we supposed bot to write G-d in full in English? It is not Hebrew, and ancient Anglos probably meant pagan idols. Even more, Christians mean a Trinity, not Hashem. However, we respect the word.
We're not really 'not supposed to.' People just do it. It has no "real" significance to write it with the dash or without the dash because it is not one of Hashem's names, which are all in the Torah, all Hebrew. People just use the dash as like an extra stringency but it really has no purpose.
Just because the Arabs came and hijacked the idea of a single G-d and then made up a myth about this allah figure and his prophet muhammad does not mean I'm going to think that it's the same G-d. Just because arabic language speaking people use this term to say G-d because they don't have the english term G-d or don't say 'Hashem' I'm not going to say that Islam's Allah is G-d because it isn't. G-d can be found in the Torah. Allah is described by the Arabs in the koran in a way that is an insult to the true G-d as they try to steal His identity and change it to something new. That is obvious.
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If we are trying to get along with those Amalekite beasts and savage antisemetic scum, then the best course of action would be to not destroy their holy writings that give them passage to do whatever the hell they want. It's OK and acceptable to burn such vile and violent writings... personally, i enjoy tearing out the pages and hadith's pertaining to the dhimmitude.
personally, i would really like to hear what Chaim has to say on the subject. I will consider the issue unresolved until then
This is a good idea. Please ask him in the actual radio-show. O0
there is a radio show with Chaim?? can someone give me some info about that please!!
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If we are trying to get along with those Amalekite beasts and savage antisemetic scum, then the best course of action would be to not destroy their holy writings that give them passage to do whatever the hell they want. It's OK and acceptable to burn such vile and violent writings... personally, i enjoy tearing out the pages and hadith's pertaining to the dhimmitude.
personally, i would really like to hear what Chaim has to say on the subject. I will consider the issue unresolved until then
i put it on the next askJTF..
I was only thinking since it is possible that the Koran uses Gd's name that it shoudln't be burned or deficated...but pig lard should do...
ok but dont forget if you will watch one of the videos from us "three Jews from Brooklyn" you will see them say that "their G-d will kill ours ... lets burn this place - and they are burning church if you have not seen it watch it. basically my point is that if they are differentiate their G-d from ours then they obviously believe that there is a difference so if so then the rule of G-d's name in their Koran does not apply.
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It is arabic language. It is not considered G-d's name. Those are only in Hebrew.
But, then why are we supposed bot to write G-d in full in English? It is not Hebrew, and ancient Anglos probably meant pagan idols. Even more, Christians mean a Trinity, not Hashem. However, we respect the word.
We're not really 'not supposed to.' People just do it. It has no "real" significance to write it with the dash or without the dash because it is not one of Hashem's names, which are all in the Torah, all Hebrew. People just use the dash as like an extra stringency but it really has no purpose.
Just because the Arabs came and hijacked the idea of a single G-d and then made up a myth about this allah figure and his prophet muhammad does not mean I'm going to think that it's the same G-d. Just because arabic language speaking people use this term to say G-d because they don't have the english term G-d or don't say 'Hashem' I'm not going to say that Islam's Allah is G-d because it isn't. G-d can be found in the Torah. Allah is described by the Arabs in the koran in a way that is an insult to the true G-d as they try to steal His identity and change it to something new. That is obvious.
I wouldn't be so sure. Rav Mordechai Eliahu poskined that it is forbidden to enter the bathroom with dollar notes b/c it is written "in G-d we trust".
Now we can see that some Hebrew words are identical to Shemot in writing, when we don't use Nekudot, and they are not considered to be Shemot. It seems that it's the intention that counts. And can we say that Arabs have no intention of naming Hashem when they say A-llah?
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Urinate on it, then set it ablaze.
Good idea ;D O0
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I wish someone would flush the Koran down the toilet in Brooklyn college. Their are more muzies in that school than in jenin hehe.
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It is arabic language. It is not considered G-d's name. Those are only in Hebrew.
But, then why are we supposed bot to write G-d in full in English? It is not Hebrew, and ancient Anglos probably meant pagan idols. Even more, Christians mean a Trinity, not Hashem. However, we respect the word.
We're not really 'not supposed to.' People just do it. It has no "real" significance to write it with the dash or without the dash because it is not one of Hashem's names, which are all in the Torah, all Hebrew. People just use the dash as like an extra stringency but it really has no purpose.
Just because the Arabs came and hijacked the idea of a single G-d and then made up a myth about this allah figure and his prophet muhammad does not mean I'm going to think that it's the same G-d. Just because arabic language speaking people use this term to say G-d because they don't have the english term G-d or don't say 'Hashem' I'm not going to say that Islam's Allah is G-d because it isn't. G-d can be found in the Torah. Allah is described by the Arabs in the koran in a way that is an insult to the true G-d as they try to steal His identity and change it to something new. That is obvious.
I wouldn't be so sure. Rav Mordechai Eliahu poskined that it is forbidden to enter the bathroom with dollar notes b/c it is written "in G-d we trust".
Now we can see that some Hebrew words are identical to Shemot in writing, when we don't use Nekudot, and they are not considered to be Shemot. It seems that it's the intention that counts. And can we say that Arabs have no intention of naming Hashem when they say A-llah?
Even in "Mein Kampf" stands over 100 times the word god.
The evil website of Muslime-Nazi cooperation "radioislam.org" is distributing the book in digital form. Look it up:
Die grenzenlos unideal und unedel ist doch dieses ganze System! Man bemüht sich nicht mehr, das Beste für die Nachwelt heranzuzüchten, sondern läßt die Dinge laufen, wie sie eben laufen. Daß sich dabei auch unsere Kirchen am Ebenbilde des Herrn versündigen, dessen Bedeutung von ihnen noch am allermeisten betont wird, liegt ganz in der Linie ihres heutigen Wirkens, das immer vom Geiste redet und den Träger desselben, den Menschen, zum verkommenen Proleten degenerieren läßt. Dann allerdings staunt man mit blöden Gesichtern über die geringe Wirkung des christlichen Glaubens im eigenen Lande, über die entsetzliche "Gottlosigkeit" dieses körperlich verhunzten und damit natürlich auch geistig verlumpten Jammerpacks und sucht sich dafür mit Erfolg bei Hottentotten und Zulukaffern mit dem Segen der Kirche zu entschädigen. Während unsere europäischen Völker, Gott sei Lob und Dank [God should be thanks and he should be praised], in den Zustand eines körperlichen und moralischen Aussatzes verfallen, wandert der fromme Missionar nach Zentralafrika und errichtet Negermissionen, bis unsere "höhere Kultur" aus gesunden, wenn auch primitiven und tiefstehenden Menschenkindern auch dort eine faulige Bastardbrut gemacht haben wird ...
http://www.radioislam.net/historia/hitler/mkampf/ger/index.htm
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I think the sections in the Koran where the texts have been reinvented and mock what other faiths stand for should not be tolerated...
Defecate on the Koran in your mind but don't put your plans into fruition as this does bring about further conflict but more than that we need to rise above these animals
DO NOT BECOME WHAT YOU HATE
People who attack other faiths should be condemned but we must make sure that we dont get so hellbent up with rage that we go too far even when dealing with the "musslims"
WHAT SAY YE ?
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You can't get lower than muslimes; they're buried six feet under the buttom. I like quote from 300; "Give them nothing; but take from them everything". You cannot tolerate what is untolerable.
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We are meant to hate our enemies but it is how we go about doing that determines what type of people we really are.. there is a smart way going about doing then there is a lame way of going about it immature no..
A great philosopher once said Fear breeds hate and hate breed contempt..
Do you think Hashem would want his people defiling scriptures of other religeous texts no matter how offensive they are ?
Don't get me wrong i am a right winger but there is a line in the sand of how far you can go before anger, hate and thoughts of revenge sink in and cause more harm on me that it intended on its target ( the enemy)
WE MUST ATTACK OUR ENEMY BUT DO IT SMARTLY AND HURT THEM WHERE IT WILL HURT THEM THE MOST.. LAND OCCUPATION IN THE MIDDLE EAST
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You maen land liberation, it's already ocupied by A-rab muslimes. O0
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To liberate means to free a country of tyrannical laws and practices in this case..
Israel will not be the aggressor purely to extend its boarders however it will invade and seize areas which have been used to fire rockets into Israel.. Chaim was very clear on that
I don't think Israel really faces that great a threat though, it is the strongest nation in the area by far and even the Leftists can't ignore what has been going on with Palestine lately..
However there is an issue of whether it is forced into giving up land for a phony peace agreement
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I think the sections in the Koran where the texts have been reinvented and mock what other faiths stand for should not be tolerated...
Defecate on the Koran in your mind but don't put your plans into fruition as this does bring about further conflict but more than that we need to rise above these animals
DO NOT BECOME WHAT YOU HATE
People who attack other faiths should be condemned but we must make sure that we dont get so hellbent up with rage that we go too far even when dealing with the "musslims"
WHAT SAY YE ?
You're right..we shouldn't go about doing the same way, with the same heart as them, with the same anything.
We are allowed to destroy those who wish to kill us, but it has to be done in a holy manner. I dont' know what that manner is.. HOwever, i do konw that being nice isn't one of those ways unless it is the Moses "let my people go" kind of nice.