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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Odie on March 16, 2008, 11:20:38 AM
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Why are the Jewish people the most hated of all peoples, how can we
explain this Anti-Semitism...
And explanation is given on Aish.com under "Why the Jews"
Many Christians who are friends of Israel believe
that Satan the Devil hates Jews and makes people become anti-semites..
While it is God who loves his Jewish people even today in 2008, it is God who has a special love for his Chosen People, while the Devil hates what God loves...
And Satan the Devil uses all his power to hate Jews, because the Devil believes he can defeat God by destroying the Jewish people
Many Evangelical Bible Believing Christians are real LOVERS of the Jewish people
Philo-Semitism, Philo means love
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1. Jealousy and envy
2. Because Gd said that He would bless us twice as good if we were righteous and curse us twice as bad if were evil.. So these anti-semites exist for that sake.
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Because it's easy to pick on an minority who shields itself from everyone else.
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because we were chosen by G-d on mount Sinai over 3,300 years ago
and being chosen doesn't mean we are better...it just means we have a skill that is unique as a nation..just as other nations have their unique skills.
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because we were chosen by G-d on mount Sinai over 3,300 years ago
and being chosen doesn't mean we are better...it just means we have a skill that is unique as a nation..just as other nations have their unique skills.
Hmm, I think it was Jonathan Sacks who said, "we have a unique relationship with God". Too many people confuse 'chosen people' to meaning 'superior people'.
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because we were chosen by G-d on mount Sinai over 3,300 years ago
and being chosen doesn't mean we are better...it just means we have a skill that is unique as a nation..just as other nations have their unique skills.
there are 6 reason why the non-Jews hate us
1. Economic -- "We hate Jews because they possess too much wealth and power."
2. Chosen People -- "We hate Jews because they arrogantly claim that they are the chosen people."
3. Scapegoat -- "Jews are a convenient group to single out and blame for our troubles."
4. Deicide -- "We hate Jews because they killed Jesus."
5. Outsiders, -- "We hate Jews because they are different than us." (The dislike of the unlike.)
6. Racial Theory -- "We hate Jews because they are an inferior race."
but all these 6 reasons could be disproven
the scapegoat one, JTF aims to end forever...
If we had self-respect like other nations, with the help of Gd, we will be respected even if we are hated.
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Becouse Satan aka Allah aka Snake knows that you're the people chosen by G-d to be HIS witnesess. .. he don't want the G-d to be glorifed so he try to wipe you the keepers of Torah out and He knew that nations who bless Israel are blesed and those who curse you are cursed so becuse he hates all mankind he incite every nation to hate you in order to bring this curse on them. those six reasons are only excuses Jews were prosecuted for being rich and poor, assimilated and separated for being chosen ones and inferior, for being comunist and capitalist etc...
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who told, jews are most hated, Come India and ask, they are the most loved people here.the person who posted this message seems to be a dirty fellow.
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Christians hate you because they say you Jews killed Jesus, I personally couldn't give a rats testicle if you killed him or not it was 2000 years ago and Jesus was Jewish too [I mean his nationality and race not religion] and back in those days everybody killed somebody so it wasn't a big deal, I'm not even sure Jesus existed at all what kind of evidence do we have apart from ancient fictional literature?
Muzzies hate you because they are muzzies and they hate everybody who isn't a muzzie.
Plus people are jealous of Jewish talents like Einstein they would like to have smart people like him but they don't.
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Well, its the easiest minority group to pick on. Its big enough to be noticeable, but small enough not to cause too many problems.
I think its also due to humans never wanting to take responsibility for their actions, so they look for an scapegoat to blame for their problems - take Malaysia and their economic crisis, the former prime minister blamed the Jews, when in actual fact it was his corrupt governance which make foreign investors lose confidence in the Malaysian market and pulled their funds out.
Then again, personal responsibility has never been a common attribute in the average person.
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because we were chosen by G-d on mount Sinai over 3,300 years ago
and being chosen doesn't mean we are better...it just means we have a skill that is unique as a nation..just as other nations have their unique skills.
Yes it does in some ways. Even though Jews themselves many times try to deny it, the facts are that G-d himself calls the Jews chosen, and better. Of- course Jews have to live up to the title by following G-d's commandments, but still a Jew is regarded better because that is the word of G-d himself in the Torah.
Also about Mt. Sinai- Rav Kahane (Ore Harayon) brings down a Gemmarah that says that why was Mt. Sinai called Mt. Sinai? because it comes from the word Sinam- Hatred- Jew hatred was created their, because once the Jews were Chosen by G-d (which actually was a 2 way process, we choose G-d and G-d choose us when we said "Naase Venishma" We will do and we will hear) hatred for them was created. Thats not to say that absolutly everyone hates Jews, but their is a general rule, a Halacha that Esav hates Yaakov and also that Ishmael hates Yaakov.
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His religion was Jewish
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His religion was Jewish
who's?
Jesus
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what i heard was Jesus never meant to create a religion, that he was preaching Judaism his entire life, and that only 300 years after his death Constantine converted to Christianity and then the entire Rome also converted, and many people say that the founder of Christianity was Paul
Yes i would say it was Paul
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what i heard was Jesus never meant to create a religion, that he was preaching Judaism his entire life, and that only 300 years after his death Constantine converted to Christianity and then the entire Rome also converted, and many people say that the founder of Christianity was Paul
You're right. He never even wanted some new religion. Remember the New Testament was written some 100 years after his death. Who knows what silly things they added to Jesus' life. I don't believe any of it.
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i hope i wont create any hatred, with all the respect to all of the Righteous Gentiles, the new testament has many mistakes
As you like Yohonathan, I'll go back to Zeus/Jupiter/Odin/Wotan/Tyr/Freya/Thor ;)
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i hope i wont create any hatred, with all the respect to all of the Righteous Gentiles, the new testament has many mistakes
As you like Yohonathan, I'll go back to Zeus/Jupiter/Odin/Wotan/Tyr/Freya/Thor ;)
;D just because one way of belief was more wrong the the other (newer one) doesn't make the newer one necessarily correct.
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<< "Why was the Torah given on a mountain called Sinai?" asks the Talmud. "Because the great sinah – the tremendous hatred aimed at the Jew – emanates from Sinai." >>
Here above is the origin of Hatred for the Jew.
Tzvi & Yohonathan both answered the question correctly.
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i hope i wont create any hatred, with all the respect to all of the Righteous Gentiles, the new testament has many mistakes
As you like Yohonathan, I'll go back to Zeus/Jupiter/Odin/Wotan/Tyr/Freya/Thor ;)
no, no you don't have to go anywhere, you could believe in anything you want, but we Jews believe that non-Jews should observe the 7 Noadide commandments
I try to do so. But I guess you dislike the self-hating elements in the New Testament. Much people here in West-Europe left the church, and I don't think we've seen the end of it.
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<< "Why was the Torah given on a mountain called Sinai?" asks the Talmud. "Because the great sinah – the tremendous hatred aimed at the Jew – emanates from Sinai." >>
Here above is the origin of Hatred for the Jew.
Sorry, can't understand what you mean
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i hope i wont create any hatred, with all the respect to all of the Righteous Gentiles, the new testament has many mistakes
As you like Yohonathan, I'll go back to Zeus/Jupiter/Odin/Wotan/Tyr/Freya/Thor ;)
no, no you don't have to go anywhere, you could believe in anything you want, but we Jews believe that non-Jews should observe the 7 Noadide commandments
I try to do so. But I guess you dislike the self-hating elements in the New Testament. Much people here in West-Europe left the church, and I don't think we've seen the end of it.
Many in Europe are athiests. In countries like Denmark, Sweden, they're definitely the majority.
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i hope i wont create any hatred, with all the respect to all of the Righteous Gentiles, the new testament has many mistakes
As you like Yohonathan, I'll go back to Zeus/Jupiter/Odin/Wotan/Tyr/Freya/Thor ;)
no, no you don't have to go anywhere, you could believe in anything you want, but we Jews believe that non-Jews should observe the 7 Noadide commandments
I try to do so. But I guess you dislike the self-hating elements in the New Testament. Much people here in West-Europe left the church, and I don't think we've seen the end of it.
Many in Europe are athiests. In countries like Denmark, Sweden, they're definitely the majority.
Denmark according to the CIA (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/da.html)
Evangelical Lutheran 95%, other Christian (includes Protestant and Roman Catholic) 3%, Muslim 2%
Sweden according to the CIA (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/sw.html)
Religions:
Lutheran 87%, other (includes Roman Catholic, Orthodox, Baptist, Muslim, Jewish, and Buddhist) 13%
I guess most people get baptised, and so on, but attend Church Masses less then 5 times a year.
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i hope i wont create any hatred, with all the respect to all of the Righteous Gentiles, the new testament has many mistakes
As you like Yohonathan, I'll go back to Zeus/Jupiter/Odin/Wotan/Tyr/Freya/Thor ;)
no, no you don't have to go anywhere, you could believe in anything you want, but we Jews believe that non-Jews should observe the 7 Noadide commandments
I try to do so. But I guess you dislike the self-hating elements in the New Testament. Much people here in West-Europe left the church, and I don't think we've seen the end of it.
Many in Europe are athiests. In countries like Denmark, Sweden, they're definitely the majority.
Denmark according to the CIA (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/da.html)
Evangelical Lutheran 95%, other Christian (includes Protestant and Roman Catholic) 3%, Muslim 2%
Sweden according to the CIA (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/sw.html)
Religions:
Lutheran 87%, other (includes Roman Catholic, Orthodox, Baptist, Muslim, Jewish, and Buddhist) 13%
I guess most people get baptised, and so on, but attend Church Masses less then 5 times a year.
Those figures are incorrect. Most don't even associate with religion at all, let alone get baptized or anything like that.
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<< "Why was the Torah given on a mountain called Sinai?" asks the Talmud. "Because the great sinah – the tremendous hatred aimed at the Jew – emanates from Sinai." >>
Here above is the origin of Hatred for the Jew.
Sorry, can't understand what you mean
Sinah means hatred in Hebrew.
So this mountain "Hate" is responsible for the hate of people against Jews?
Isn't that a bit far-fetched? I think it has more to do with religion(Islam and Christianity) /ethnicity&minority status/economical status/high intelligence-jealousy of other people.
Anyway, I think the most hated Jews are exactly the traitor left-wing types that JTF mentions. I see no conflict in hating them, and loving right wing Jews like you JTF-ers.
Anyway, I hate them regardless of their Jewish roots.
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i hope i wont create any hatred, with all the respect to all of the Righteous Gentiles, the new testament has many mistakes
As you like Yohonathan, I'll go back to Zeus/Jupiter/Odin/Wotan/Tyr/Freya/Thor ;)
no, no you don't have to go anywhere, you could believe in anything you want, but we Jews believe that non-Jews should observe the 7 Noadide commandments
I try to do so. But I guess you dislike the self-hating elements in the New Testament. Much people here in West-Europe left the church, and I don't think we've seen the end of it.
Many in Europe are athiests. In countries like Denmark, Sweden, they're definitely the majority.
Denmark according to the CIA (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/da.html)
Evangelical Lutheran 95%, other Christian (includes Protestant and Roman Catholic) 3%, Muslim 2%
Sweden according to the CIA (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/sw.html)
Religions:
Lutheran 87%, other (includes Roman Catholic, Orthodox, Baptist, Muslim, Jewish, and Buddhist) 13%
I guess most people get baptised, and so on, but attend Church Masses less then 5 times a year.
Those figures are incorrect. Most don't even associate with religion at all, let alone get baptized or anything like that.
How much % attend Church in West-Europe? I guess 5-10%.
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Sounds correct. Even in traditionally religious strong hold countries like Spain, Portugal, and Italy, church going is very low. I went to Italy last summer and didn't see any church goers. Every single church was relatively empty.
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because we were chosen by G-d on mount Sinai over 3,300 years ago
and being chosen doesn't mean we are better...it just means we have a skill that is unique as a nation..just as other nations have their unique skills.
Yes it does in some ways. Even though Jews themselves many times try to deny it, the facts are that G-d himself calls the Jews chosen, and better. Of- course Jews have to live up to the title by following G-d's commandments, but still a Jew is regarded better because that is the word of G-d himself in the Torah.
Also about Mt. Sinai- Rav Kahane (Ore Harayon) brings down a Gemmarah that says that why was Mt. Sinai called Mt. Sinai? because it comes from the word Sinam- Hatred- Jew hatred was created their, because once the Jews were Chosen by G-d (which actually was a 2 way process, we choose G-d and G-d choose us when we said "Naase Venishma" We will do and we will hear) hatred for them was created. Thats not to say that absolutly everyone hates Jews, but their is a general rule, a Halacha that Esav hates Yaakov and also that Ishmael hates Yaakov.
Tzvi, I beg to differ...Just as a father shouldn't have a favorite child (since it causes terrible disfunctionality in the family), Gd wouldn't make us His favorite nation.
On the other hand, we are chosen to be leaders of morality and priests...while another nation might be chosen to do something else.
However, we are not better than any nation. we are not superior to anyone.. We are one of the nations and Gd chose us to do something unique for the world.
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because we were chosen by G-d on mount Sinai over 3,300 years ago
and being chosen doesn't mean we are better...it just means we have a skill that is unique as a nation..just as other nations have their unique skills.
Yes it does in some ways. Even though Jews themselves many times try to deny it, the facts are that G-d himself calls the Jews chosen, and better. Of- course Jews have to live up to the title by following G-d's commandments, but still a Jew is regarded better because that is the word of G-d himself in the Torah.
Also about Mt. Sinai- Rav Kahane (Ore Harayon) brings down a Gemmarah that says that why was Mt. Sinai called Mt. Sinai? because it comes from the word Sinam- Hatred- Jew hatred was created their, because once the Jews were Chosen by G-d (which actually was a 2 way process, we choose G-d and G-d choose us when we said "Naase Venishma" We will do and we will hear) hatred for them was created. Thats not to say that absolutly everyone hates Jews, but their is a general rule, a Halacha that Esav hates Yaakov and also that Ishmael hates Yaakov.
not ishmael hating yaacov, it's ishamel hating yitzhak.
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Sounds correct. Even in traditionally religious strong hold countries like Spain, Portugal, and Italy, church going is very low. I went to Italy last summer and didn't see any church goers. Every single church was relatively empty.
Much people consider the Church and its clerics as a bunch of hypocrites, that use God, and the religion, for their own profit. In fact that provoked Lutheranism, Calvinism and Protestantism, to go away from the Catholic Church. Some other people regard the New Testament as "silly" too "hippy", and find the Tanach too blood-thirsty.
Also much people find it good, that religion has no state influence anymore, because they consider religion as a private affair, not an affair to be guiding a country's political affairs.
We will see how the younger European generation react, maybe they'll become more religious than we and our parents are.
In the middle ages, if I am correctly, the people were mostly analphabetic, and were just required to attend the mass physically, it was spoken entirely in Latin ( I guess until 1968 in the Catholic Church) , and the priests faced the people with their backs.
Since 1968, the mass is spoken in the respective countries' languages, and now, the people are turning away from it.
A while ago , the pope allowed priests to do the mass in Latin without any permission of the bishops, or cardinals.
These masses, tend to attract more people.
This means that the Church might become little by little more conservative,
Don't forget, that there are powerful organizations, like Opus Dei, that are operating behind the scenes, and have big influence on some state leaders.
I guess Europe is sleeping now, because, materially, it goes too well here. "Why believe in god?" is what most people think. They even find religious people idiots. Political correctness, and anti-racist lobbies protect the muslims today from any criticism on their religion, but mostly the mass media joke about Christianity every day here.
We might need a big conflict, war, disaster, to wake the people up.
Lots of people are also more open to non-European religions, such as Budhism,.... and New-Age, sects.
Also a lot of right wing people here passionately hate Islam, and all "Abrahamic" religions, including Christianity, and Judaism.
Some nationalist like to revive the Odin/Wotan/Jupiter/Zeus religions, as they consider the Roman version of the religion of Jesus total BS.
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Jews are hated by Christians because they believe the Jews killed Christ.
Jews are hated by Muslims because it's commanded by the Koran.
Jews are hated by the Nazis because Jews are leftists/communists who promote multiculturalism and diversity.
Jews are hated by socialists because they view Israel as imperialist and a colonial occupier.
Jews are hated because they are a very, very vocal minority that's successful, powerful, and opinionated.
Jews are hated because they are seen as loyal to Israel rather than the country they reside.
Jews are hated because they see themselves as the Chose People and therefore considered arrogant.
I could go on. Unfortunately, I think there are many reasons why Jews are hated.
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because we were chosen by G-d on mount Sinai over 3,300 years ago
and being chosen doesn't mean we are better...it just means we have a skill that is unique as a nation..just as other nations have their unique skills.
Yes it does in some ways. Even though Jews themselves many times try to deny it, the facts are that G-d himself calls the Jews chosen, and better. Of- course Jews have to live up to the title by following G-d's commandments, but still a Jew is regarded better because that is the word of G-d himself in the Torah.
Also about Mt. Sinai- Rav Kahane (Ore Harayon) brings down a Gemmarah that says that why was Mt. Sinai called Mt. Sinai? because it comes from the word Sinam- Hatred- Jew hatred was created their, because once the Jews were Chosen by G-d (which actually was a 2 way process, we choose G-d and G-d choose us when we said "Naase Venishma" We will do and we will hear) hatred for them was created. Thats not to say that absolutly everyone hates Jews, but their is a general rule, a Halacha that Esav hates Yaakov and also that Ishmael hates Yaakov.
Tzvi, I beg to differ...Just as a father shouldn't have a favorite child (since it causes terrible disfunctionality in the family), Gd wouldn't make us His favorite nation.
On the other hand, we are chosen to be leaders of morality and priests...while another nation might be chosen to do something else.
However, we are not better than any nation. we are not superior to anyone.. We are one of the nations and Gd chose us to do something unique for the world.
Who said that the other nations are concidered children of G-d? Even Yeshu himself after saying that he is the son of G-d, said to the Jewish crowd who wanted to stown him, that he is like all the other Jews who are called children of G-d. "You are the children of G-d".
We are unique, but maybe even logic wont say that we ar ebetter, but if G-d himself in the Torah (aka "old-testement, Tannach, Bible, whatever you want to call it) clearly states that, then I would agree with G-d's decision. That being said it doesn't mean a Jew can do harm to a non-Jew, or steal from them or do unjustly towards them which is all completly forbidden and a sin.
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Jews are hated by Christians because they believe the Jews killed Christ.
Come on Sparky ::). Here are a lot of Christians from different denominations.
I have never thought about this point in my whole life.
In addition to that I have met some real evil jewhaters during my lifetime, but none of them has blaimed the Jews because of that.
Normally such people in my country say this:
1. "The Jew is grabby"
2. "The Jew is cheating in business"
3. "The Jew is ruling the world from behind the scenes"
4. "The Jew is almighty and can do whatever he want"
In my oppinion is this a mix of persecution complex and envy.
Some people are thinking and talking about nothing else than Jews - Jews here Jews there - They are totally obsessed by Jews. :D
Perhaps Tzvi is right about this Esau-Ismael issue.
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Most anti semites are socialists and moslems the other group are for the most part atheists and beleive in communist liberation theology
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Jewish upward mobility makes Jews an easy target when things go wrong.
Jews usually occupy a disproporionate amount of positions in every political movement. If one of the movements fails, such as George W's idioic regime, Jews will be blamed for it.
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Many things posted and said might be temporarily true and the excuse, but it is not necessarily the REASON. For most of those their was definitly a time when the oppositre was true and still Jews were hated, ex- "Jews are rich" - that came recently + not all Jews are rich, for the vast majority of history in the galut (in Europe for example, Jews were dirt poor). Jews are in politics- thats also very recent, most Jews had absolutly no political conciderations and power in history. etc.
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because we were chosen by G-d on mount Sinai over 3,300 years ago
and being chosen doesn't mean we are better...it just means we have a skill that is unique as a nation..just as other nations have their unique skills.
Yes it does in some ways. Even though Jews themselves many times try to deny it, the facts are that G-d himself calls the Jews chosen, and better. Of- course Jews have to live up to the title by following G-d's commandments, but still a Jew is regarded better because that is the word of G-d himself in the Torah.
Also about Mt. Sinai- Rav Kahane (Ore Harayon) brings down a Gemmarah that says that why was Mt. Sinai called Mt. Sinai? because it comes from the word Sinam- Hatred- Jew hatred was created their, because once the Jews were Chosen by G-d (which actually was a 2 way process, we choose G-d and G-d choose us when we said "Naase Venishma" We will do and we will hear) hatred for them was created. Thats not to say that absolutly everyone hates Jews, but their is a general rule, a Halacha that Esav hates Yaakov and also that Ishmael hates Yaakov.
Tzvi, I beg to differ...Just as a father shouldn't have a favorite child (since it causes terrible disfunctionality in the family), Gd wouldn't make us His favorite nation.
On the other hand, we are chosen to be leaders of morality and priests...while another nation might be chosen to do something else.
However, we are not better than any nation. we are not superior to anyone.. We are one of the nations and Gd chose us to do something unique for the world.
Who said that the other nations are concidered children of G-d? Even Yeshu himself after saying that he is the son of G-d, said to the Jewish crowd who wanted to stown him, that he is like all the other Jews who are called children of G-d. "You are the children of G-d".
We are unique, but maybe even logic wont say that we ar ebetter, but if G-d himself in the Torah (aka "old-testement, Tannach, Bible, whatever you want to call it) clearly states that, then I would agree with G-d's decision. That being said it doesn't mean a Jew can do harm to a non-Jew, or steal from them or do unjustly towards them which is all completly forbidden and a sin.
no you CAN call it the Torah...:)..that is what it is to us Jews.
As far as the Nations of the world (was it 70 or 128? I don't remember)...Each of those nations, as a whole, are a son or daughter of Gd's...much like a father has sons and daughters. One child might be gifted in math, while another in music...Therefore, like any father, he will put the one gifted in math for engineering school and the one gived in music for opera. The Jewish nation, we are gifted in whistle blowing and speaking our minds...and so Gd presented the Torah and we received it. I can't speak for other nations, but they are basically gifted in other things.
Now, of course, most human beings are Gd's children...All i was trying to get at was to present a metaphor.
And this is the reason why I don't go walking around like i'm better than everyone just because I was born a Jew. All righteous people have merit whether they do righteous deed because of Torah or they do righteous deeds becuase of what the Dalai Lama said.
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Regarding the reason why there is less Anti Semitism in America
-Know, that all people divide into seventy archetype groups, these are the seventy nations
-Every nation had rights to certain land, as things manifest over time these lands might change.
-The people in the US don’t have the right to be there either.-Meaning the fact that they ended up there shows they have some connection, but technically it is not their land either .
-In Europe it is their land and we have no right to be there.
-Meaning in Gulus (diaspora) we might end up there but it comes with the package.
http://truekabbalah.org/pages/documents/k00027.htm
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because we were chosen by G-d on mount Sinai over 3,300 years ago
and being chosen doesn't mean we are better...it just means we have a skill that is unique as a nation..just as other nations have their unique skills.
Yes it does in some ways. Even though Jews themselves many times try to deny it, the facts are that G-d himself calls the Jews chosen, and better. Of- course Jews have to live up to the title by following G-d's commandments, but still a Jew is regarded better because that is the word of G-d himself in the Torah.
Also about Mt. Sinai- Rav Kahane (Ore Harayon) brings down a Gemmarah that says that why was Mt. Sinai called Mt. Sinai? because it comes from the word Sinam- Hatred- Jew hatred was created their, because once the Jews were Chosen by G-d (which actually was a 2 way process, we choose G-d and G-d choose us when we said "Naase Venishma" We will do and we will hear) hatred for them was created. Thats not to say that absolutly everyone hates Jews, but their is a general rule, a Halacha that Esav hates Yaakov and also that Ishmael hates Yaakov.
Tzvi, I beg to differ...Just as a father shouldn't have a favorite child (since it causes terrible disfunctionality in the family), Gd wouldn't make us His favorite nation.
On the other hand, we are chosen to be leaders of morality and priests...while another nation might be chosen to do something else.
However, we are not better than any nation. we are not superior to anyone.. We are one of the nations and Gd chose us to do something unique for the world.
Who said that the other nations are concidered children of G-d? Even Yeshu himself after saying that he is the son of G-d, said to the Jewish crowd who wanted to stown him, that he is like all the other Jews who are called children of G-d. "You are the children of G-d".
We are unique, but maybe even logic wont say that we ar ebetter, but if G-d himself in the Torah (aka "old-testement, Tannach, Bible, whatever you want to call it) clearly states that, then I would agree with G-d's decision. That being said it doesn't mean a Jew can do harm to a non-Jew, or steal from them or do unjustly towards them which is all completly forbidden and a sin.
no you CAN call it the Torah...:)..that is what it is to us Jews.
As far as the Nations of the world (was it 70 or 128? I don't remember)...Each of those nations, as a whole, are a son or daughter of Gd's...much like a father has sons and daughters. One child might be gifted in math, while another in music...Therefore, like any father, he will put the one gifted in math for engineering school and the one gived in music for opera. The Jewish nation, we are gifted in whistle blowing and speaking our minds...and so Gd presented the Torah and we received it. I can't speak for other nations, but they are basically gifted in other things.
Now, of course, most human beings are Gd's children...All i was trying to get at was to present a metaphor.
And this is the reason why I don't go walking around like i'm better than everyone just because I was born a Jew. All righteous people have merit whether they do righteous deed because of Torah or they do righteous deeds becuase of what the Dalai Lama said.
G-d forbid (the last part).
The nations are not Sons of G-d. They are His creations, but so is a monkey, so is a tree. Im not trying to insult them, but their definitly is a hugg difference between the way G-d made a human and a Jew. Your right each nation does have its own mission, but still it doesn't come anywhere near to that of Israel. By the way also within Israel, the Kohanim are also seperated and in ways better then an Israelite (and one has to show them the proper respect). Because they are better they have strickter rules, etc. If we judge a person by his/her body then we are no different then a monkey, infact some animals are actually better then humans physically wise, but we (really G-d) judges by the soul, the essence and He states that a Jew is better. (But their is also a Machlocket about who is better a Jew who keeps 50% or a goy that does 100% of 7 laws). - After all said and done, ultimatly the Jew, BUT he will have to go threw a lot of punishment to get to his final destination which is higher though.
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because we were chosen by G-d on mount Sinai over 3,300 years ago
and being chosen doesn't mean we are better...it just means we have a skill that is unique as a nation..just as other nations have their unique skills.
Yes it does in some ways. Even though Jews themselves many times try to deny it, the facts are that G-d himself calls the Jews chosen, and better. Of- course Jews have to live up to the title by following G-d's commandments, but still a Jew is regarded better because that is the word of G-d himself in the Torah.
Also about Mt. Sinai- Rav Kahane (Ore Harayon) brings down a Gemmarah that says that why was Mt. Sinai called Mt. Sinai? because it comes from the word Sinam- Hatred- Jew hatred was created their, because once the Jews were Chosen by G-d (which actually was a 2 way process, we choose G-d and G-d choose us when we said "Naase Venishma" We will do and we will hear) hatred for them was created. Thats not to say that absolutly everyone hates Jews, but their is a general rule, a Halacha that Esav hates Yaakov and also that Ishmael hates Yaakov.
Tzvi, I beg to differ...Just as a father shouldn't have a favorite child (since it causes terrible disfunctionality in the family), Gd wouldn't make us His favorite nation.
On the other hand, we are chosen to be leaders of morality and priests...while another nation might be chosen to do something else.
However, we are not better than any nation. we are not superior to anyone.. We are one of the nations and Gd chose us to do something unique for the world.
Who said that the other nations are concidered children of G-d? Even Yeshu himself after saying that he is the son of G-d, said to the Jewish crowd who wanted to stown him, that he is like all the other Jews who are called children of G-d. "You are the children of G-d".
We are unique, but maybe even logic wont say that we ar ebetter, but if G-d himself in the Torah (aka "old-testement, Tannach, Bible, whatever you want to call it) clearly states that, then I would agree with G-d's decision. That being said it doesn't mean a Jew can do harm to a non-Jew, or steal from them or do unjustly towards them which is all completly forbidden and a sin.
no you CAN call it the Torah...:)..that is what it is to us Jews.
As far as the Nations of the world (was it 70 or 128? I don't remember)...Each of those nations, as a whole, are a son or daughter of Gd's...much like a father has sons and daughters. One child might be gifted in math, while another in music...Therefore, like any father, he will put the one gifted in math for engineering school and the one gived in music for opera. The Jewish nation, we are gifted in whistle blowing and speaking our minds...and so Gd presented the Torah and we received it. I can't speak for other nations, but they are basically gifted in other things.
Now, of course, most human beings are Gd's children...All i was trying to get at was to present a metaphor.
And this is the reason why I don't go walking around like i'm better than everyone just because I was born a Jew. All righteous people have merit whether they do righteous deed because of Torah or they do righteous deeds becuase of what the Dalai Lama said.
G-d forbid (the last part).
The nations are not Sons of G-d. They are His creations, but so is a monkey, so is a tree. Im not trying to insult them, but their definitly is a hugg difference between the way G-d made a human and a Jew. Your right each nation does have its own mission, but still it doesn't come anywhere near to that of Israel. By the way also within Israel, the Kohanim are also seperated and in ways better then an Israelite (and one has to show them the proper respect). Because they are better they have strickter rules, etc. If we judge a person by his/her body then we are no different then a monkey, infact some animals are actually better then humans physically wise, but we (really G-d) judges by the soul, the essence and He states that a Jew is better. (But their is also a Machlocket about who is better a Jew who keeps 50% or a goy that does 100% of 7 laws). - After all said and done, ultimatly the Jew, BUT he will have to go threw a lot of punishment to get to his final destination which is higher though.
What's the huge difference at the time of birth between the way Gd created a Jew and a non-Jew?
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Tzvi, you are wrong. Genesis says that G-d created Adam in his own image and breathed life into him. And Genesis calls man the "sons of G-d".
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Tzvi, you are wrong. Genesis says that G-d created Adam in his own image and breathed life into him. And Genesis calls man the "sons of G-d".
I base what I said from Rav Kahane himself. I dont mean to offend non-Jews, but the truth is the Truth. (check Ore Harayon , different places including page 697, 745 - English version.).
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Jews are hated by Christians because they believe the Jews killed Christ.
Come on Sparky ::). Here are a lot of Christians from different denominations.
I have never thought about this point in my whole life.
In addition to that I have met some real evil jewhaters during my lifetime, but none of them has blaimed the Jews because of that.
GP - Haven't you ever heard the term Christ-killers in reference to Jews? Christians have hated Jews for this reason for two thousand years and it still continues today. Thank goodness there are righteous gentiles like yourself who don't believe this. But to imply this isn't one of the reasons for anti-Semitism is incorrect.
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Jews are hated by Christians because they believe the Jews killed Christ.
Come on Sparky ::). Here are a lot of Christians from different denominations.
I have never thought about this point in my whole life.
In addition to that I have met some real evil jewhaters during my lifetime, but none of them has blaimed the Jews because of that.
GP - Haven't you ever heard the term Christ-killers in reference to Jews? Christians have hated Jews for this reason for two thousand years and it still continues today. Thank goodness there are righteous gentiles like yourself who don't believe this. But to imply this isn't one of the reasons for anti-Semitism is incorrect.
I think the Church today is not teaching its followers to hate Jews. Besides the first couple of centuries the Christians themselves were hunted down. So I think you exaggerate with stating we hated Jews for 2000 years, Sparky. Anti-Judaism from Christians stating " they killed Christ" is virtually non-existent today.
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If you guys havent figured it out yet... Odie is trying, by all his posts, to make Jews hate Christians. Look through them.. and you will see that trend.
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If you guys havent figured it out yet... Odie is trying, by all his posts, to make Jews hate Christians. Look through them.. and you will see that trend.
Yeah, I noticed that too. Let this be his warning.
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If you guys havent figured it out yet... Odie is trying, by all his posts, to make Jews hate Christians. Look through them.. and you will see that trend.
of course he is because he never responds to any of the posts...
but the truth is, I don't hate anyone unless they are evil..Jew or gentile.
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If you guys havent figured it out yet... Odie is trying, by all his posts, to make Jews hate Christians. Look through them.. and you will see that trend.
Yeah, I noticed that too. Let this be his warning.
Thanks!! The moderators here are great!!!
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I've noticed there are one or two new members (within the last 2 weeks) who have done a few things that are revealing. They made fun of animal abuse, attacked Jonathan Pollard, mocked Christianity, talked about Jews killing random gentiles after the Holocaust, defended rap, promoted MTV and said other members were racist. I didn't want to say anything before because maybe they meant something else or I may disagree with one or two points. The combination of all those things is not the sign of a friend of JTF and its members.
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The Jews are hated by people who can't blow a shofar. Jealous haters!
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Jews are hated because we are party poopers ! In ancient times,when you wanted to sacrifice your firstborn to Moloch to have a good harvest or sleep with your sister the Jews said :"no no you can't do that " according to the law of G-d.
Also they disrespected the Roman Emperor by saying that he should not F*(< little boys.Also they refused to worship him as a G-d.
Also they refused to accept J*$u$ as the Messiah.
Pretty much explains 4 thousand years of anti-Semitism.
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mmmm...Kosher shish-kabob!!!
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Forget historical Biblical sites! Give me kabobs! Israel here I come...
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Forget historical Biblical sites! Give me kabobs! Israel here I come...
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lol :::D :::D :::D
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Yes i think some of the new posters are negros or nazis but not all.
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I think theirs a variety of reasons Jews were hated and still are hated.
Much of it I think was originally religious, when Jews first entered Europe, it was mainly Xtian and many people blamed Jews over the death of the Xtian messiah. Of course this spanned long wars and the whole crusade period. Also lets not forget many people who are critical of the Tanakh. Some of this come from Atheists who are against what the bible says.
Racial, I think some of it is racial as well. Many countries trying to get rid of ethnic minorities felt Jews were a threat because they did not assimilate but yet were successful in the countries they lived in. Also some of these movements like "Black Hebrew Israelites" who proclaim to be the original true Jews, the British Israelieans, the Christian Identity movements, and all these other groups who claim to be the "true" lost tribes of Israel and associate Jews as being related to the Khazars?
Political, unfortunately a large number of those who are considered Jewish tend to take left wing politics that work against a countries interest, we see this today in the US with those we don't even consider Jewish because they are not Orthodox or the way they behave. Unfortunately many people attribute Jews (in specific left wing) to communism, running the banks, globalism, etc and feel that Jews are responsible for what is currently happening in the world with the New World Order. Some of it is also hate for many Jews support of Israel or the Zionist movement feeling that Jews are loyal to Israel over the country they live in.
These aren't my views, just what i've gathered over time from the 'reasoning' behind peoples hatred of the Jews. It's really a complicated mess.
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I've noticed there are one or two new members (within the last 2 weeks) who have done a few things that are revealing. They made fun of animal abuse, attacked Jonathan Pollard, mocked Christianity, talked about Jews killing random gentiles after the Holocaust, defended rap, promoted MTV and said other members were racist. I didn't want to say anything before because maybe they meant something else or I may disagree with one or two points. The combination of all those things is not the sign of a friend of JTF and its members.
Yes... and the trolls are like a virus. They will continue to become more and more virulent as time goes by, especially if they can get away with it.
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trolls that come on this forum will only make this movement more valued and known..
Remember what happened with te Mel Gibson's movie, Passion of the Christ?
If Jews hadn't started a rukus on it, Mel would have not made millions of dollars on this movie. WE basically gave him free advertising..
so to the Trolls, I say, "bring it on!"
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Antisemitism perhaps is a reaction in which Jews are collectively blamed rather than individually blamed. The fact that Jews were disproportionately involved in liberalism as an example, does not make me collectively hate Jews, it only makes me hate liberal Jews. The anti-semite however, blames all Jews for what a few Jews do. Hitler for example blamed every Jew for Communism. While Jews were disproportionately represented, the idea of collectively rather than individually blaming people is what causes anti-semitism. I'll also note that antisemites never give Jews credit for their collective scientific and intellectual accomplishments. They collectively blame Jews when something goes wrong, but they never give credit to Jews when something goes right.
I think theirs a variety of reasons Jews were hated and still are hated.
Much of it I think was originally religious, when Jews first entered Europe, it was mainly Xtian and many people blamed Jews over the death of the Xtian messiah. Of course this spanned long wars and the whole crusade period. Also lets not forget many people who are critical of the Tanakh. Some of this come from Atheists who are against what the bible says.
Racial, I think some of it is racial as well. Many countries trying to get rid of ethnic minorities felt Jews were a threat because they did not assimilate but yet were successful in the countries they lived in. Also some of these movements like "Black Hebrew Israelites" who proclaim to be the original true Jews, the British Israelieans, the Christian Identity movements, and all these other groups who claim to be the "true" lost tribes of Israel and associate Jews as being related to the Khazars?
Political, unfortunately a large number of those who are considered Jewish tend to take left wing politics that work against a countries interest, we see this today in the US with those we don't even consider Jewish because they are not Orthodox or the way they behave. Unfortunately many people attribute Jews (in specific left wing) to communism, running the banks, globalism, etc and feel that Jews are responsible for what is currently happening in the world with the New World Order. Some of it is also hate for many Jews support of Israel or the Zionist movement feeling that Jews are loyal to Israel over the country they live in.
These aren't my views, just what i've gathered over time from the 'reasoning' behind peoples hatred of the Jews. It's really a complicated mess.
I agree. First Jews were hated for religion. After that, they were hated due to ethnic nationalism. It should be noted that ethnic nationalists also hated other groups other than Jews. For instance, nazis hated Slavs and Gypsies too. Lastly, left-wing politics, whether in the democratic or bush administration, have not helped. The adl definitely doesn't help. Attempts to label political opponents as anti-semites also do not help. A reasonable person like me will say that lashing out at all Jews for the acts of a few is illogcal, but I can see how a less reasonable person would act that way.
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Jews are the undisputed most hated people in all of civilization because we are the most pure and righteous people in all of civilization... Others hate us with a passion because they envy our strong faith and love for each other... Others hate us because they know that we are indeed "the chosen ones".... Others hate us because they know that we possess a superior intellect, they know that nobody even comes close to our ability to think and rationally reason... And lastly, others hate us because they know we watch the best darn TV show in the world hosted by The Great Chaim!!....
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Antisemitic people overreact and collectively blame, however, they do have reasons that they, through their fundamentally unsound logical consider to be sound. Certainly those reasons do not include a belief that Jews are superior.
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I have learned a Midrash which goes well with the gemarah cites above which says the source of the hate of the goyim towards the Jews emanates from the Jews' reluctance to teach the gentiles about G-d. When we don't teach them the part of the Torah they should learn (through teaching or through action) this really perverts our whole purpose in this world (to be a light unto the nations).
The gentiles sense this, feel we are hiding something very valuable from them (jewish conspiracy), and became very jelous and want to destroy us because of it. They don't even realize it but very deep down it stems from their desire to know G-d which will come through the Jews and when we pervert it makes them feel justified in wanting to kill us and in a way they are right; we have no purpose in being in this world if not to bring the Torah into the world so it may be refined.
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I have learned a Midrash which goes well with the gemarah cites above which says the source of the hate of the goyim towards the Jews emanates from the Jews' reluctance to teach the gentiles about G-d. When we don't teach them the part of the Torah they should learn (through teaching or through action) this really perverts our whole purpose in this world (to be a light unto the nations).
The gentiles sense this, feel we are hiding something very valuable from them (jewish conspiracy), and became very jelous and want to destroy us because of it. They don't even realize it but very deep down it stems from their desire to know G-d which will come through the Jews and when we pervert it makes them feel justified in wanting to kill us and in a way they are right; we have no purpose in being in this world if not to bring the Torah into the world so it may be refined.
Bravo!!! that was beautiful...
So what should we do and how do we do it?
We can share our information to everyone..and why not include them in our hava nagila dances?
As there ever been a time when Jews were this actual light unto other nations and other nations loved us?
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It's also worth mentioning that many naive people are hateful of Jews because they see people in the media like Howard Stern and Ron Jeremy, and they think those are examples of what being Jewish is about, of course they couldn't be more wrong in their assessment... We are NOT all like Howard Stern and Ron Jeremy!!... We are a pure and righteous people who do NOT put illicit sexual gratification on the top of our priority list as does Howard Stern and Ron Jeremy... THAT'S NOT US!!...
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I have learned a Midrash which goes well with the gemarah cites above which says the source of the hate of the goyim towards the Jews emanates from the Jews' reluctance to teach the gentiles about G-d. When we don't teach them the part of the Torah they should learn (through teaching or through action) this really perverts our whole purpose in this world (to be a light unto the nations).
The gentiles sense this, feel we are hiding something very valuable from them (jewish conspiracy), and became very jelous and want to destroy us because of it. They don't even realize it but very deep down it stems from their desire to know G-d which will come through the Jews and when we pervert it makes them feel justified in wanting to kill us and in a way they are right; we have no purpose in being in this world if not to bring the Torah into the world so it may be refined.
This could be a part of the source, but what is with the jealousy of the economical and intellectual "power output" of the Jewish people?
Envy is strong in my country, as well under gentiles. I thank god, that I am less effected by it. I am thinking about my own money instead of caring useless about foreign business.
Everytime some acquaintances visit me, they are talking always about one of my neighbours, because he is , so they say, very wealthy. I tell them everytime to stop, because if you stick your nose into foreign business, there is a big change that they do the same with you.
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I have learned a Midrash which goes well with the gemarah cites above which says the source of the hate of the goyim towards the Jews emanates from the Jews' reluctance to teach the gentiles about G-d. When we don't teach them the part of the Torah they should learn (through teaching or through action) this really perverts our whole purpose in this world (to be a light unto the nations).
The gentiles sense this, feel we are hiding something very valuable from them (jewish conspiracy), and became very jelous and want to destroy us because of it. They don't even realize it but very deep down it stems from their desire to know G-d which will come through the Jews and when we pervert it makes them feel justified in wanting to kill us and in a way they are right; we have no purpose in being in this world if not to bring the Torah into the world so it may be refined.
Bravo!!! that was beautiful...
So what should we do and how do we do it?
We can share our information to everyone..and why not include them in our hava nagila dances?
As there ever been a time when Jews were this actual light unto other nations and other nations loved us?
That makes a lot of sense and there are many reasons. People think Jews are being secretive so they think they're up to something. That's perhaps why you hear a lot of antsemites attack the Masons as well because when things are bad, they want someone to blame. They see these groups they don't understand and think they are controlling everything. Very few people blame themselves for their problems and blaming Jews is an easy copout for responsibility.
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It's also worth mentioning that many naive people are hateful of Jews because they see people in the media like Howard Stern and Ron Jeremy, and they think those are examples of what being Jewish is about, of course they couldn't be more wrong in their assessment... We are NOT all like Howard Stern and Ron Jeremy!!... We are a pure and righteous people who do NOT put illicit sexual gratification on the top of our priority list as does Howard Stern and Ron Jeremy... THAT'S NOT US!!...
i doubt that as much.. If someone is going to hate all Jews because of those two, then they're gonna hate Jews anyway.
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why do people hate Jews. yes Jews are hated and the reason is satanic in Gen 3 G-d says that meshiac will be the seed o f wom and in Gen 6 we see that the sons of G-d sexualised womaknind trying to nullify the promise of Messiah , corrupting humanity, later in Gen we told that the messiah will be born through Abraham then we see Abimelech try to withhold Abraham from sarah,another satanic attack on the prevention of mesiah.these are the first attempts @ genocide and this is how it continues.Remember what happened in Egypt how the midwives tried to extinguish the Hebrew race by killing all male infants,i could go so much further but choose not to, fact is Moshiach is yehudi moshiac will end satans career, why do we wonder why everyon hates us.
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I think it's because they are so successful compared to the ordinary populace and they are so supportive of each other.
These are qualities to be admired.
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I have learned a Midrash which goes well with the gemarah cites above which says the source of the hate of the goyim towards the Jews emanates from the Jews' reluctance to teach the gentiles about G-d. When we don't teach them the part of the Torah they should learn (through teaching or through action) this really perverts our whole purpose in this world (to be a light unto the nations).
The gentiles sense this, feel we are hiding something very valuable from them (jewish conspiracy), and became very jelous and want to destroy us because of it. They don't even realize it but very deep down it stems from their desire to know G-d which will come through the Jews and when we pervert it makes them feel justified in wanting to kill us and in a way they are right; we have no purpose in being in this world if not to bring the Torah into the world so it may be refined.
If you can find it please post it.
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I have learned a Midrash which goes well with the gemarah cites above which says the source of the hate of the goyim towards the Jews emanates from the Jews' reluctance to teach the gentiles about G-d. When we don't teach them the part of the Torah they should learn (through teaching or through action) this really perverts our whole purpose in this world (to be a light unto the nations).
The gentiles sense this, feel we are hiding something very valuable from them (jewish conspiracy), and became very jelous and want to destroy us because of it. They don't even realize it but very deep down it stems from their desire to know G-d which will come through the Jews and when we pervert it makes them feel justified in wanting to kill us and in a way they are right; we have no purpose in being in this world if not to bring the Torah into the world so it may be refined.
If you can find it please post it.
Will try to find it..
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One of the reasons for the hatred of Jews is the fact that Jews were instrumental in bringing a conscience to mankind.
If there is a spark of goodness in humanity, it must be fanned into a flame, and this can only happen if mankind has a conscience and abides by the essential commandments passed on to the Jewish People.
It's wrong to lie, steal, murder, commit adultery etc.
Unfortunately, just as there is a spark of good in mankind, there is also an inclination to do wrong.
Like belligerent children who do not wish to be told they're misbehaving-- or to be told what they're doing is wrong-- or to accept guidelines and punishments--much of the world sunconsciously resents the Jews for being the people that set down these rules.
This resentment commonly manifests itself in the form of anti-Semitism.
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No offense but I don't think that is what it is. Most antisemites are provoked by left wing atheistic Jews, not Jews who preach "moral values." It is because of Jews (of course not every one) who have forsaken morality that the collective society has suffered. Orthodox Judaism has not lead to persecution. Christianity has Jewish roots. Non-Jews accepted it.
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Although I understand that not all agree with my theory, and that's certainly ok with me, after all, this place is for the open exchange of ideas and opinion... Anyways, I'd like to add Gene Simmons of the Satanic Sex Cult rock group KISS to the list of self-proclaimed Jews who promote "illicit sex" to the masses and might be somewhat responsible for souring the mainstream population's opinion of Jewish people... I believe Gene Simmons brags much like fellow list member Ron Jeremy of having "illicit sex" with several thousand anonymous women--- I mean, gee whiz, that CAN'T be good for the reputation of the Jewish faith!!....
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They are the most hated because a good percentage of Jews are very liberal and self loathing. In addition to that, some very liberal Jews refuse to work with righteous gentiles and choose to work with other self loathing Jews and are irreligious, self centered and egotistical.
The majority of Conservatives would love Kahanists O0
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I believe that midrash is in Yalkut Shimoni but I haven't had a minute to look it up yet.
If you just look at this gemarah it's basically saying the same concept:
"The Talmud (Tractate Shabbot 89) cites the source of anti-Semitism using a... sinah ... play on words: The Torah – the source of the Jewish system of laws, values and moral standards – was received at Mount Sinai. The Hebrew pronunciation of "Sinai" is almost identical to the Hebrew word for "hatred" – sinah. "Why was the Torah given on a mountain called Sinai?" asks the Talmud. "Because the great sinah – the tremendous hatred aimed at the Jew – emanates from Sinai.""
It's because we got the Torah that they hate us. If they had it too they wouldn't. And they do need to have it. At least their portion of it.
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Glad you said this, lubab.
Odie, this thread was worded in poor taste. Please be a little more responsible with your posts.
I was reading through this thinking... come on... most of the people hate us because we are walking proof that G-d exists, we are right, we can prove it, and that touches the ego a little too deep -or- makes them angry because they WANT stealing, immoral sex, murder, and adultery to be "ok".
Why do you think some of the greatest persecutions happened after debates with rulers? The whole "Christ-Killer" thing is just an excuse. Everyone knows the Romans killed Jesus and people just use that as a convenient excuse to hate Jews. It's easier than saying "because I'm wrong but my ego is too embedded in years of making excuses saying that believing is ALL I have to do instead of action which translates to doing right or not doing wrong". Deep inside, anyone who says believing is ALL they have to do, knows that it's not the truth or they would never be offended at injustice.
Judaism is one of the only religions in the world that does not require blind faith - in fact, it's frowned upon. We have to investigate and search for truth. We don't believe things just because someone says. G-d gave us the Torah directly and G-d doesn't waste His time since He, obviously, knows the future and outcome of everything.
And of course Jewish people have higher souls and a greater purpose. Let's not be self-hating. The highest purpose on this planet is to attach to the Creator. The role of the Jewish people requires a higher soul and we know it. There's no greater thing a human could do. And yes, we should reach out more to the nations and be the light we are supposed to be. A light in a dark room reveals what's really there. As a light, we are supposed to bring reality to people and show what's really there. But we have done some of this by having the greatest scientists, writers, teachers, and inventors that ever existed in all of history. I have like 10 pages to back that up and it was posted in here before.
And, yes, we are also our own worst enemy. Self-hating Jews (or fake Jews who are actually Egyptian souls) have caused us so much suffering and death... like the fake Jews in the Israeli government who won't stop the war against them because they are too busy trying to look good... which causes death and suffering, G-d forbid. We will eventually prevail! Those traitors have done so much harm to the world.
If you got a little offended reading this, then you now know why antisemitism exists. Religion is a VERY personal thing - even if it's a religion of non-religion. No one likes being wrong and they'd rather kill the source of proof than change to make right.
When Hashem asked Ishmael if he wanted the Torah, Ishmael asked "What is it?". Hashem said "It's a guideline for your life". Really? What's it's say? "Thou shalt not commit adultry". No thanks, Hashem!
When Hashem asked Esau if he wanted the Torah, Esau asked "What is it?". Hashem said "It's a guideline for your life". Really? What's it's say? "Thou shalt not murder". No thanks, Hashem!
When Hashem asked the Jews if they wanted the Torah, they asked "How much does it cost?".
Hashem said "Free." They replied "We'll take TWO tablets!"
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<< "Why was the Torah given on a mountain called Sinai?" asks the Talmud. "Because the great sinah – the tremendous hatred aimed at the Jew – emanates from Sinai." >>
Here above is the origin of Hatred for the Jew.
Sorry, can't understand what you mean
Sinah means hatred in Hebrew.
So this mountain "Hate" is responsible for the hate of people against Jews?
Isn't that a bit far-fetched? I think it has more to do with religion(Islam and Christianity) /ethnicity&minority status/economical status/high intelligence-jealousy of other people.
Anyway, I think the most hated Jews are exactly the traitor left-wing types that JTF mentions. I see no conflict in hating them, and loving right wing Jews like you JTF-ers.
Anyway, I hate them regardless of their Jewish roots.
You should not hate ANY Jews...
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I believe that midrash is in Yalkut Shimoni but I haven't had a minute to look it up yet.
If you just look at this gemarah it's basically saying the same concept:
"The Talmud (Tractate Shabbot 89) cites the source of anti-Semitism using a... sinah ... play on words: The Torah – the source of the Jewish system of laws, values and moral standards – was received at Mount Sinai. The Hebrew pronunciation of "Sinai" is almost identical to the Hebrew word for "hatred" – sinah. "Why was the Torah given on a mountain called Sinai?" asks the Talmud. "Because the great sinah – the tremendous hatred aimed at the Jew – emanates from Sinai.""
It's because we got the Torah that they hate us. If they had it too they wouldn't. And they do need to have it. At least their portion of it.
I allready brought this up earlier, BUT I dont agree with the way you stated it(the end). You are implying that they also need the Torah, which is not exactly true. The imply ia like you said earlier that the Jews have to spread the Torah to other nations, etc. BUT what happened was that G-d so to speak came to the other nations to ask if they accept the Torah, they all said no (by majority, each nation, acked whats in it, and then rejected it) When G-d came to the Jews they said "Naase Venishma". Besides the Jews their were some individuals in different nations who also accepted it, and they are the one's who later converted (Either that or like Chabad believes that they were Jewish to begin with).
The point is that other nations are NOT the Jews responsibility. We are responsible for other Jews, and shouldn't blame the Jews for other nations hatred (which stems from different things like jealousy, rebellion agains't G-d, etc.)
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One can't help also to wonder if the bigoted "Cartman" character on the popular TV cartoon "South Park" isn't somewhat to blame for the growing hate among youth directed at JEWS?... After all, the "Cartman" character often makes lewd and crude remarks about Jews, he even calls Jewish people "cheap"... I know, I know what you're thinking, how can a seemingly innocent "children's cartoon" have such an effect on the youth of America, well, believe it or not, cartoons are a popular form of entertainment for "kids", and "kids" have a way of taking what they see and hear on cartoons and make it part of their "reality", so you can't discount cartoons completely out in their strong influence on "children"... I find it extremely offending what that "Cartman" character says about people of the Jewish faith--- I DON'T FIND IT TO BE FUNNY AT ALL!!!!!
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Re: "...Sorry, can't understand what you mean..."
The explanation is a metaphysical metaphor, meaning that the root stem in the Hebrew language is the same for the Hebrew word for Sinai as it is for the Hebrew word for hatred.
This reveals another, deeper, level of revelation than that which is merely on the surface when read verbatim.
Thus Torah sages have declared that hatred of G-d, hatred of His Law, and hatred against the Jewish People to whom the Law was given, first entered this world at Mt. Sinai when Moses received Torah.
Torah sages devote themselves to study of Torah using such analysis to reveal the deeper "hidden" meanings, truths, and relationships embedded in G-d's revelation to the Jews.
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I believe that midrash is in Yalkut Shimoni but I haven't had a minute to look it up yet.
If you just look at this gemarah it's basically saying the same concept:
"The Talmud (Tractate Shabbot 89) cites the source of anti-Semitism using a... sinah ... play on words: The Torah – the source of the Jewish system of laws, values and moral standards – was received at Mount Sinai. The Hebrew pronunciation of "Sinai" is almost identical to the Hebrew word for "hatred" – sinah. "Why was the Torah given on a mountain called Sinai?" asks the Talmud. "Because the great sinah – the tremendous hatred aimed at the Jew – emanates from Sinai.""
It's because we got the Torah that they hate us. If they had it too they wouldn't. And they do need to have it. At least their portion of it.
I allready brought this up earlier, BUT I dont agree with the way you stated it(the end). You are implying that they also need the Torah, which is not exactly true. The imply ia like you said earlier that the Jews have to spread the Torah to other nations, etc. BUT what happened was that G-d so to speak came to the other nations to ask if they accept the Torah, they all said no (by majority, each nation, acked whats in it, and then rejected it) When G-d came to the Jews they said "Naase Venishma". Besides the Jews their were some individuals in different nations who also accepted it, and they are the one's who later converted (Either that or like Chabad believes that they were Jewish to begin with).
The point is that other nations are NOT the Jews responsibility. We are responsible for other Jews, and shouldn't blame the Jews for other nations hatred (which stems from different things like jealousy, rebellion agains't G-d, etc.)
Tzvi, i agree partly with you in that Jews shoudl start with their fellow Jews first...
OTher nations? really what we should do is show them the light of the Torah and then if they want they can help themselves.
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One can't help also to wonder if the bigoted "Cartman" character on the popular TV cartoon "South Park" isn't somewhat to blame for the growing hate among youth directed at JEWS?... After all, the "Cartman" character often makes lewd and crude remarks about Jews, he even calls Jewish people "cheap"... I know, I know what you're thinking, how can a seemingly innocent "children's cartoon" have such an effect on the youth of America, well, believe it or not, cartoons are a popular form of entertainment for "kids", and "kids" have a way of taking what they see and hear on cartoons and make it part of their "reality", so you can't discount cartoons completely out in their strong influence on "children"... I find it extremely offending what that "Cartman" character says about people of the Jewish faith--- I DON'T FIND IT TO BE FUNNY AT ALL!!!!!
I disagree...most people who hate Jews will find one of a million reasons to hate JEws...Eric Cartmen isn't the only thing...anything can be used. Those who want to hate will find a reason.
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One can't help also to wonder if the bigoted "Cartman" character on the popular TV cartoon "South Park" isn't somewhat to blame for the growing hate among youth directed at JEWS?... After all, the "Cartman" character often makes lewd and crude remarks about Jews, he even calls Jewish people "cheap"... I know, I know what you're thinking, how can a seemingly innocent "children's cartoon" have such an effect on the youth of America, well, believe it or not, cartoons are a popular form of entertainment for "kids", and "kids" have a way of taking what they see and hear on cartoons and make it part of their "reality", so you can't discount cartoons completely out in their strong influence on "children"... I find it extremely offending what that "Cartman" character says about people of the Jewish faith--- I DON'T FIND IT TO BE FUNNY AT ALL!!!!!
I disagree...most people who hate Jews will find one of a million reasons to hate JEws...Eric Cartmen isn't the only thing...anything can be used. Those who want to hate will find a reason.
Yes, like you, I believe that "Eric Cartman" isn't the only thing that influences people to hate Jews, and yes, many of those who hate Jews can conveniently find lots of reasons in our corrupted culture to hate us, however, I believe the power of such a popular cartoon as "South Park" is not to be underestimated, and it does play a significant role in influencing a majority of today's youth to hate Jews... Unfortunately, "Eric Cartman" has become some sort of "role model" and/or "anti-hero" for American youth, it's sick but true....
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Soon after the giving of the Torah Moshe etched the entire thing on stones in every language in the world so the nations should learn it.
Solid proof of what we're supposed to be doing.
See Rashi "Beer Heteiv"
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http://www.kolyakov.org/scripts/media.php?file=media/Rabbi/Yossi_Mizrachi/2008-03-12/When_Will_I_Die/Rabbi__Yossi_Mizrachi__When_Will_I_Die__2008-03-12.wmv
- Rabbi Mizrahi talks about why Jews are hatred in the beginning of the lecture. (also about the recent murder agains't the Yeshiva students, and possible destruction of Israel.
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http://www.kolyakov.org/scripts/media.php?file=media/Rabbi/Yossi_Mizrachi/2008-03-12/When_Will_I_Die/Rabbi__Yossi_Mizrachi__When_Will_I_Die__2008-03-12.wmv
- Rabbi Mizrahi talks about why Jews are hatred in the beginning of the lecture. (also about the recent murder agains't the Yeshiva students, and possible destruction of Israel.
Put it in your own words and tell us what he said in a nutshell.
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Because Europeans and Muzzies hate us! >:( :-[ :'( >:(
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Because Europeans and Muzzies hate us! >:( :-[ :'( >:(
Wojtila,
You were even calling for a nuclear apocalypse in Europe. Why are you still living in Denmark, I ask you, if you consider the Danish people as enemies? If you hate us so much that you want to genocide the complete European mankind, than don't be a hypocrite, go away and live in Israel.
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The people's fight against the Jews is really a fight against G-d. We are just G-d's representative in this world so they pick on us.
It is really a war on the truth.
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Real christians don't hate people even evil ones like self hating left wing Jews just the sin. I must say it's very hard with muslimes but we don't need the hatred to fight them. You don't hate the rabid dog who want to bite your child; you just shoot it. ;) Jews are hated when they sin against their G-d and convenat; When they all'll return from galut he hate will stop (atlest from West- Esau). That's why Israel is wilified the more land he gives up to A-rabs. Muslimes (Ishmael) on other hand will hate you more.
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Christian Zionists believe like this:
Anti-semitism is a demonic evil force which operates powerfully behind world governements. All world leaders who seek to divide Israel are either possessed by the demon of anti-semitism or heavily under its influence. Jews are God's chosen people and whatever that is loved by God is obviously hated by the devil. The formation of the nation of modern Israel and Jews making Aliya are part of God's endtime plan. Christian Eschatology is almost 100% centered around the nation of Israel. Without Israel and Jews there is no Christian Eschatology. Real Christians do not hate Jews. However they are very much annoyed by the likes of Abe Foxman and other liberal Jews.
Anti-semitism is not a new phenomenon. Dinah was raped by Shechem, the son of Hamor (Genesis 34). Their intention was to destroy the early Jews by inter marriage and assimilation. Pharoh ordered to kill all male Jewish babies, Moses had to flee Egypt, Amalek opposed Israel. In the book of Judges we read about various gentile invaders trying to destroy the Jews. Most of the members of the ten tribes were taken captive by heathen kings. During the time of Esther Haman plotted to wipe out the entire Jewish race. These were incidents from the Tanach. It has been an ongoing battle between God and Satan which will only end during the Messianic reign.
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Rabbi BenHaim said (im listining just now), that they hate us because they love us deep down (it sounds wierd, but he explains it). I think brought from Sotah p.3 . (except Amalik).
http://www.kolyakov.org/Rabbi/Avraham_Benhaim/ "The Fourth Commandment Continued" From around 50 minutes and onward.
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Because Europeans and Muzzies hate us! >:( :-[ :'( >:(
Wojtila,
You were even calling for a nuclear apocalypse in Europe. Why are you still living in Denmark, I ask you, if you consider the Danish people as enemies? If you hate us so much that you want to genocide the complete European mankind, than don't be a hypocrite, go away and live in Israel.
I'm not returning to Israel before all fakestaniens are dead!
Invade Gaza and the westbank, and kill them all! >:(
But nooo, stupid Olmert is doing nothing! ??? >:( :'(
What the hell is going on in this world :-\ :(
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Because Europeans and Muzzies hate us! >:( :-[ :'( >:(
Wojtila,
You were even calling for a nuclear apocalypse in Europe. Why are you still living in Denmark, I ask you, if you consider the Danish people as enemies? If you hate us so much that you want to genocide the complete European mankind, than don't be a hypocrite, go away and live in Israel.
I'm not returning to Israel before all fakestaniens are dead!
Invade Gaza and the westbank, and kill them all! >:(
But nooo, stupid Olmert is doing nothing! ??? >:( :'(
What the hell is going on in this world :-\ :(
I think to expel Arabs out of Israel can suffice.
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Because Europeans and Muzzies hate us! >:( :-[ :'( >:(
Wojtila,
You were even calling for a nuclear apocalypse in Europe. Why are you still living in Denmark, I ask you, if you consider the Danish people as enemies? If you hate us so much that you want to genocide the complete European mankind, than don't be a hypocrite, go away and live in Israel.
I'm not returning to Israel before all fakestaniens are dead!
Invade Gaza and the westbank, and kill them all! >:(
But nooo, stupid Olmert is doing nothing! ??? >:( :'(
What the hell is going on in this world :-\ :(
I think to expel Arabs out of Israel can suffice.
Of course, that's what we shouldn't done long ago but it's never too late