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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on May 22, 2008, 03:48:38 AM
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Just for fun--what do you think the outcome of this situation would be?
Cheers,
Chaimfan
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They realize they both hate JTF more than anything else and have a big orgy :::D :::D :::D
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I think that the Satmars are not gay. They prefer female prostitutes and they even like shvartza ones. I myself have seen Satmar Chasidim in Williamsburg picking up hookers. It is well known that they solicit prostitutes left and right. This is the reason that they hate Israel and want it destroyed. Why should they have to go there and fight for the land when its more convenient to stay here and just visit hookers. Satmars are the most vile drek on earth.
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We're still obsessed with him?
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Can you post a pic so that I can actually see what they look like? It would be good to know the difference... thanks
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They have a religious debate and the Satmer crush him with proof of why what you cf believe in is false and Judasim is correct :P
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Would they really kill non-Jews? :o I don't know much about them. I would assume that's an exaggeration.
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Would they really kill non-Jews? :o I don't know much about them. I would assume that's an exaggeration.
Dont listin to the idiot fools who try to spread lies agains't random Jewish groups they happen not to agree with. People spread not only lashon Hara, but outright lies. First it was that they are bad because they dont fight at all and are pacifists, now the evildoers are saying that they want to kill all non-Jews ::) .
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not all satmar are against Israel...this is a blind post.
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not all satmar are against Israel...this is a blind post.
Dr Dan, thats not true. I speak yiddish fluently and whenever I have had the unfortunate experience of being in williamsburg, the main topic of conversation is the zionists. These beasts literally blame the zionists for every problem in their lives. Whenever you go into one of their kosher restauraunts there, you ae guaranteed to hear anti Israel hate, which I have heard every time I have been there. Unless you speak yiddish and hear what they really have to say, you really cant discuss this. Chaim has discussed this numerous times and he would agree with my position(I think). And Tzvi, you call them a "random jewish group we disagree with?" Are you serious? This shows the fact that you go to torahanytime.com doesnt make you any less naive or foolish. Satmar Main Doctrine exposed in the writing of Yoel Teitelbaum the Satmar "Rabbi," exposes the real beliefs of Satmar. I have seen some of that myself, so it is YOU TZVI BEN ROSHEL WHO KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT SATMAR. By the way, Shas is collaborating as much as ever in Israel and they are more anxious than ever to give away the golan. Are you telling me ovadia Yosef knows nothing about this either. You need to get your facts straight on many issues. I hope Chaim sees this and chimes in to set the record straight.
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what happens if you lock chaimfan and four preists and two cardinals in a room
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what happens if you lock chaimfan and four preists and two cardinals in a room
What are you saying? Chaimfan is absolutely right here. Yoel Teitebaum, the Satmar Rabbi Said he wants Israel to be destroyed openly in every sefer he has written. Not to mention the hate he showed towards lubavitch having his satmar puppet chasidim burn pictures of chabad rabbanim in the streets of williamsburg. Satmar is a death cult and I suggest people actually learn about them before we come on here praising satmar and attacking chaimfan.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satmar_%28Hasidic_dynasty%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoel_Teitelbaum
Both of those links are way too kind to satimar and their "rabbi"
I suggest people read those two articles and you will get a taste of satmar. The articles are very pro satmar obviously written by a supporter of them. The articles fail to mention the most evil aspects of satmar including their hatred towards lubavitch.
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They have a religious debate and the Satmer crush him with proof of why what you cf believe in is false and Judasim is correct :P
Would they really kill non-Jews? :o I don't know much about them. I would assume that's an exaggeration.
Dont listin to the idiot fools who try to spread lies agains't random Jewish groups they happen not to agree with. People spread not only lashon Hara, but outright lies. First it was that they are bad because they dont fight at all and are pacifists, now the evildoers are saying that they want to kill all non-Jews ::) .
Tzvi, these two comments are dead wrong and borderline evil. You claim that me and chaimfan are spreading loshon hara when in fact, satmar do hate all "goyim" and they do hate Israel and want it destroyed. Why should we believe anything else when the satmar rabbi writes in VAYOEL MOSHE that the zionists must be destroyed? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vayoel_Moshe
Can you imagine that a jew would blame Israel for the holocaust when it didnt even exist then? Can you imagine that teitelbaum wrote this in a sefer nonetheless? Get your facts straight tzvi as you are the one spreading loshon hara and I will not stop exposing the wrongs that you have spewed here.
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They have a religious debate and the Satmer crush him with proof of why what you cf believe in is false and Judasim is correct :P
Would they really kill non-Jews? :o I don't know much about them. I would assume that's an exaggeration.
Dont listin to the idiot fools who try to spread lies agains't random Jewish groups they happen not to agree with. People spread not only lashon Hara, but outright lies. First it was that they are bad because they dont fight at all and are pacifists, now the evildoers are saying that they want to kill all non-Jews ::) .
Tzvi, these two comments are dead wrong and borderline evil. You claim that me and chaimfan are spreading loshon hara when in fact, satmar do hate all "goyim" and they do hate Israel and want it destroyed. Why should we believe anything else when the satmar rabbi writes in VAYOEL MOSHE that the zionists must be destroyed? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vayoel_Moshe
Can you imagine that a jew would blame Israel for the holocaust when it didnt even exist then? Can you imagine that teitelbaum wrote this in a sefer nonetheless? Get your facts straight tzvi as you are the one spreading loshon hara and I will not stop exposing the wrongs that you have spewed here.
Name me one real Rabbinic figure who agrees with what you and cf have said then we'll talk. Until then dont even address me, you are below my stature. And I didn't bring them up, cf did.
Discussion closed.
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They have a religious debate and the Satmer crush him with proof of why what you cf believe in is false and Judasim is correct :P
Would they really kill non-Jews? :o I don't know much about them. I would assume that's an exaggeration.
Dont listin to the idiot fools who try to spread lies agains't random Jewish groups they happen not to agree with. People spread not only lashon Hara, but outright lies. First it was that they are bad because they dont fight at all and are pacifists, now the evildoers are saying that they want to kill all non-Jews ::) .
Tzvi, these two comments are dead wrong and borderline evil. You claim that me and chaimfan are spreading loshon hara when in fact, satmar do hate all "goyim" and they do hate Israel and want it destroyed. Why should we believe anything else when the satmar rabbi writes in VAYOEL MOSHE that the zionists must be destroyed? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vayoel_Moshe
Can you imagine that a jew would blame Israel for the holocaust when it didnt even exist then? Can you imagine that teitelbaum wrote this in a sefer nonetheless? Get your facts straight tzvi as you are the one spreading loshon hara and I will not stop exposing the wrongs that you have spewed here.
Name me one real Rabbinic figure who agrees with what you and cf have said then we'll talk. Until then dont even address me, you are below my stature. And I didn't bring them up, cf did.
Discussion closed.
I just brought proof and presented you with the sefer that Rabbi Teitelbum personally wrote espousing these anti semetic and violent views towards the jewish people and Israel. Most Rabbanim hated Satmar. If you want to get technical, Rabbi Kotler and the Torah Vodath Rabbis hated Satmar as the misnagdim hated the chasidim but that is neither here nor there because rabbi kotler also didnt have his hands clean. Of course Lubavitcher rabbanim also have a bad taste for satmar after seeing pictures of the lubavitcher rabbeim being burned in the streets of williamsburg every purim. Tzvi, I think you should come with concrete evidence and do some investigating yourself. Not everything is on the torahanytime.com website and you have to get out of the cacoon you have encapsulated yourself in. I have nothing agaist torahanytime.com so dont try to play that game, I am merely stating that you are spewing things without backup. Anyone who reads vayoel moshe will know that I am right and you are so, so wrong about this. I think its obvious that you have been proven wrong. I can tell you that 99.999% of rabbis today totally disagree with satmar on every issue and rightfully so. The lubavitcher rebbe, Rabbi Kahane, Rabbi Moshe Feinstein, Rabbi kook and others all disagree with you and satmar. I rest my case.
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Tzvi, I am curious to know if you have ever spoken to a satmar in your life? I would venture to say you havent. I know those people well as I have relatives in Williamsburg so please dont lecture me on the satmar platform and their general attitutude. Thats like me lecturing you on sefardic minhagim which I know nothing about as I am not sefardic and you are. If you spend 20 minutes in Williamsburg and speak to people there, if you are a kahanist and a righteous jew, you will agree with me.
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I don't think this poll is appropriate for this forum, especially the disgusting answer choices. Let's not make a joke out of ourselves and our movement like some other fake kahanists are doing on youtube.
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Until then dont even address me, you are below my stature.
Good catch phrase!
Can I use it? ;)
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Satmar wouldn't have an orgy because they are religious Jews.
I wouldn't call them religious. They stand against Israel and are traitors to the Jewish faith.
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Until then dont even address me, you are below my stature.
Good catch phrase!
Can I use it? ;)
Archie, according to judaism a person is supposed to be humble. Chaim told over stories about how rabbi kahane would always travel in economy class in the name of humility. For Harav Hagoan Hatzadik Tzvi Ben Roshel(Or possible TZVI BEN YOEL MOSHE TEITELLBAUM) to say that other people are "below his stature" proves that whatever small amount of torah knowledge he has come across has quickly exited as soon as it entered him. Its funny, great Rabbanim thoroughout history have made it a point to be humble and make themselves seem as average people. A man I knew told me a story about how when he was a little boy playing ball with his freind in the backyard and they hit the ball onto the property of the last lubavitcher rebbe. They wanted to get the ball but they were afraid to go into the yard because they feared being yelled at. This boy ended up sneaking into the backyard thinking that nobody would be there but the rebbe was there. I heard the man say how the rebbe told him that not only can he come in to get the ball whenever he wanted, that they could also play there if they wanted to. The man remembered till this day how the rebbe treated a little child behind closed doors when he would get no attention for it. People much greater than you tzvi have refrained from holding themselves above people and looking down at them so I am sure you arent holy enough to consider yourself "above the stature of others." Tzvi I can righfully proclaim that your a pompous, egotistical individual and not very polished. You have vigourously come to the defese of the death cult Satmar but you never came to Chaim defense on here or over at the two splinter forums where your name is extazy17 and extazy18 respectively. Irv Rubin has been suported their while Chaim has been bashed over there and you never even make a sound over there. What a hypocrite phony.
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Let's stop the infighting. This is not befitting of our forum.
To some degree Tzvi is right in defending the Satmars. Not all of them are criminals, DWI. And in terms of their Torah position to oppose Israel, let's disagree with them, but no need to make lewd posts like this suggesting horrible things about them or talking about indecent acts in here, a religious forum.
You say you saw a bunch doing something terrible, well there are going to be bad apples in every crowd. I don't think we can condemn all Satmar for it.
And yes, you are correct, they are opposed to the Israeli state (to some degree, so are we! the regime anyway...) but not all of them are vicious about it, and some do even live in Israel without paying taxes etc. They broke officially with NK because of NK's disgusting traitor antics, and the majority of them think NK are looney. As I understand it, the Satmar would oppose the "israeli" state on religious and personal reasons, but they wouldn't want the Muslims to massacre Jews. Their basic Torah position is unfortunately shared by many "Orthodox/Charedi" Jews, where "antizionism" is popular and widespread, but not to the point of Traitorous tendencies, and unfortunately yes we disagree and think they are completely wrong, but I think the Torah position is considered a legitimate one. Anyone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong about any of that.
Satmar is not who we should be worrying about. It is the Olmerts baraks livnis etc that are destroying our nation right now. Satmar are largely 'sitting on the sidelines.' No danger to us really.
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Let's stop the infighting. This is not befitting of our forum.
To some degree Tzvi is right in defending the Satmars. Not all of them are criminals, DWI. And in terms of their Torah position to oppose Israel, let's disagree with them, but no need to make lewd posts like this suggesting horrible things about them or talking about indecent acts in here, a religious forum.
You say you saw a bunch doing something terrible, well there are going to be bad apples in every crowd. I don't think we can condemn all Satmar for it.
And yes, you are correct, they are opposed to the Israeli state (to some degree, so are we! the regime anyway...) but not all of them are vicious about it, and some do even live in Israel without paying taxes etc. They broke officially with NK because of NK's disgusting traitor antics, and the majority of them think NK are looney. As I understand it, the Satmar would oppose the "israeli" state on religious and personal reasons, but they wouldn't want the Muslims to massacre Jews. Their basic Torah position is unfortunately shared by many "Orthodox/Charedi" Jews, where "antizionism" is popular and widespread, but not to the point of Traitorous tendencies, and unfortunately yes we disagree and think they are completely wrong, but I think the Torah position is considered a legitimate one. Anyone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong about any of that.
Satmar is not who we should be worrying about. It is the Olmerts baraks livnis etc that are destroying our nation right now. Satmar are largely 'sitting on the sidelines.' No danger to us really.
Kahanebt, I respectfully disagree with you here. As I stated in my other posts, vayoel moshe, the sefer written by Yoel teitlebaum the satmar rabbi, gives clear instructions to his chasidim about what their position must be towards israel and I can tell you that they all follow it. The damage they do in Israel is severe and the hatred they have towads all jews that are different from them has no bounds. Their is not a single righeous thing you can say about them. Are you aware that they consider meat and all other products with a lubavitch hechsher treif? That is the position of satmar and just another evil in their arsenal.
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Until then dont even address me, you are below my stature.
Good catch phrase!
Can I use it? ;)
Archie, according to judaism a person is supposed to be humble. For Harav Hagoan Hatzadik Tzvi Ben Roshel(Or possible TZVI BEN YOEL MOSHE TEITELLBAUM) to say that other people are "below his stature" proves that whatever small amount of torah knowledge he has come across has quickly exited as soon as it entered him.
Yeah. Tzvi seems to have a great sense of self-importance. Quite literally. :o :o :o
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Until then dont even address me, you are below my stature.
Good catch phrase!
Can I use it? ;)
Archie, according to judaism a person is supposed to be humble. For Harav Hagoan Hatzadik Tzvi Ben Roshel(Or possible TZVI BEN YOEL MOSHE TEITELLBAUM) to say that other people are "below his stature" proves that whatever small amount of torah knowledge he has come across has quickly exited as soon as it entered him.
Yeah. Tzvi seems to have a great sense of self-importance. Quite literally. :o :o :o
He does.
It is especially inflammatory in light of the fact that he is basically a bone with no meat in terms of facts and information.
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Until then dont even address me, you are below my stature.
Good catch phrase!
Can I use it? ;)
Archie, according to judaism a person is supposed to be humble. Chaim told over stories about how rabbi kahane would always travel in economy class in the name of humility. For Harav Hagoan Hatzadik Tzvi Ben Roshel(Or possible TZVI BEN YOEL MOSHE TEITELLBAUM) to say that other people are "below his stature" proves that whatever small amount of torah knowledge he has come across has quickly exited as soon as it entered him. Its funny, great Rabbanim thoroughout history have made it a point to be humble and make themselves seem as average people. A man I knew told me a story about how when he was a little boy playing ball with his freind in the backyard and they hit the ball onto the property of the last lubavitcher rebbe. They wanted to get the ball but they were afraid to go into the yard because they feared being yelled at. This boy ended up sneaking into the backyard thinking that nobody would be there but the rebbe was there. I heard the man say how the rebbe told him that not only can he come in to get the ball whenever he wanted, that they could also play there if they wanted to. The man remembered till this day how the rebbe treated a little child behind closed doors when he would get no attention for it. People much greater than you tzvi have refrained from holding themselves above people and looking down at them so I am sure you arent holy enough to consider yourself "above the stature of others." Tzvi I can righfully proclaim that your a pompous, egotistical individual and not very polished. You have vigourously come to the defese of the death cult Satmar but you never came to Chaim defense on here or over at the two splinter forums where your name is extazy17 and extazy18 respectively. Irv Rubin has been suported their while Chaim has been bashed over there and you never even make a sound over there. What a hypocrite phony.
I was on the forums probably before you even heard of Kahanism, and I did defend Chaim when I was on their as Yakov can testify (even before the forum was made) And about the whole recent fighting, I stayed out of it, and I dont want to get involved for both sides.
A Jew is supposed to be humble, but our Rabbis tell us that one has to have Holy Boldness in front of the Rashaim, and it is not wrong for me to say what I did to either you or your mexican friend. And you do not only trash Satmer, you also trash any Jewish group that doesn't fully agree with you, including Rav Kotler, the Jews in Williamsberg, in Lakwood, and others.
It reminds me of the witchhunts the anti-semites did agains't the Jews, accusing them of all the different horrible things.
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Until then dont even address me, you are below my stature.
Good catch phrase!
Can I use it? ;)
Archie, according to judaism a person is supposed to be humble. Chaim told over stories about how rabbi kahane would always travel in economy class in the name of humility. For Harav Hagoan Hatzadik Tzvi Ben Roshel(Or possible TZVI BEN YOEL MOSHE TEITELLBAUM) to say that other people are "below his stature" proves that whatever small amount of torah knowledge he has come across has quickly exited as soon as it entered him. Its funny, great Rabbanim thoroughout history have made it a point to be humble and make themselves seem as average people. A man I knew told me a story about how when he was a little boy playing ball with his freind in the backyard and they hit the ball onto the property of the last lubavitcher rebbe. They wanted to get the ball but they were afraid to go into the yard because they feared being yelled at. This boy ended up sneaking into the backyard thinking that nobody would be there but the rebbe was there. I heard the man say how the rebbe told him that not only can he come in to get the ball whenever he wanted, that they could also play there if they wanted to. The man remembered till this day how the rebbe treated a little child behind closed doors when he would get no attention for it. People much greater than you tzvi have refrained from holding themselves above people and looking down at them so I am sure you arent holy enough to consider yourself "above the stature of others." Tzvi I can righfully proclaim that your a pompous, egotistical individual and not very polished. You have vigourously come to the defese of the death cult Satmar but you never came to Chaim defense on here or over at the two splinter forums where your name is extazy17 and extazy18 respectively. Irv Rubin has been suported their while Chaim has been bashed over there and you never even make a sound over there. What a hypocrite phony.
I was on the forums probably before you even heard of Kahanism, and I did defend Chaim when I was on their as Yakov can testify (even before the forum was made) And about the whole recent fighting, I stayed out of it, and I dont want to get involved for both sides.
A Jew is supposed to be humble, but our Rabbis tell us that one has to have Holy Boldness in front of the Rashaim, and it is not wrong for me to say what I did to either you or your mexican friend. And you do not only trash Satmer, you also trash any Jewish group that doesn't fully agree with you, including Rav Kotler, the Jews in Williamsberg, in Lakwood, and others.
It reminds me of the witchhunts the anti-semites did agains't the Jews, accusing them of all the different horrible things.
Admins, please ban Tzvi Ben roshel for calling the righteous gentile chaimfan "my mexican friend." You have never defended Chaim, that is a convenient lie. I have been examining the splinter forums for awhile and I can testify that you have never once in the last two years defended chaim. You defense of satmar is quite outrageous especially considering your questionable history. DI ZALST VAKSEN VI A TZIBLEN MIT DAYN KUP IN DRERT MIT A SATMAR PETZELA IN DAYN MAUL.
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For a person to pompously proclaim others as below their stature while defending satmar beasts is something I will never ignore. Yacov, I initially posted at the splinter group when I saw a thread attacking CHaim. Lets not confuse the situation please. You were the one who agreed with jdl4ever to ban me here for things I said on the splinter forum(jdl4ever told me so himself) and Chaim overruled that ridiculous edict so lets keep things in perspective.
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DWI and Tzvi, I think you are both great members, great JTF'ers. Let's settle this like mentches and not resort to vicious insults or banning each other!
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Whatever.
Anyhow, I hope Chaim Chimes in to clear up this mess and clearly tell us what the position should be on the topics discussed in this thread. I have a paper to finish writing so I wont be able to respond for awhile.
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Too much fighting here. I'm locking this. I'm sure it will be unlocked, but hopefully it will buy time for things to cool down.
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בס''ד
1. This is a religious forum. I request that our members please not post polls or messages that are sexually suggestive.
2. We have members with all types of opinions. Members can disagree and even debate. But nothing is gained by raising subjects that cause personal conflict on the forum. Please remember that our objective is to build a mass movement. That cannot happen if we engage in futile personal conflicts.
3. The Satmar are fanatically anti-Israel. The Satmar Rebbe wrote that Satan created the State of Israel. He wrote that there cannot be a Jewish state until the Messiah comes.
4. During the holocaust, the Satmar Rebbe was one of the Jewish leaders in Hungary who made a deal with Rudolph Kastner and the Judenrat. The Satmar Rebbe saved himself and his family by boarding Kastner's notorious train out of Hungary while leaving all of his Satmar followers behind. The German Nazis yimach shmam vezichram told the Jewish leaders that they could save themselves if they would cooperate in convincing 750,000 Hungarian Jews to willingly go to the Nazi death camps. Germany was losing the war badly, and had only 5,000 soldiers left in Hungary. The 5,000 German soldiers could never have forced 750,000 Jews to go to the death camps. The only way to get the Jews to cooperate was if Jewish leaders convinced them. Kastner and the Judenrat had Jews in the death camps write post cards to Hungarian Jews telling them that the death camps are really just work camps and that nothing would happen to them if they would just cooperate and board the cattle cars to Auschwitz. Hundreds of thousands of Hungarian Jews were murdered because of this. The Satmar Rebbe was one of the Jewish leaders on the Kastner Judenrat train.
5. The Satmar have held huge rallies at the Israeli Consulate with thousands of their members holding signs saying, "Zionism Is Nazism" and "Zionist Israel Is Worse Than Nazi Germany". The Satmar burn Israeli flags at these evil demonstrations.
6. Naturei Karta come from the Satmar movement, although the Satmar sometimes disassociate themselves from this group. These are the "rabbis", yimach shmam vezichram shem rshaim yirkav, who went to meet with and support Ahmadinejad at his holocaust denial conference in Teheran where he promised to "wipe Israel off the face of the earth". Many, but not all, Satmar agree with Naturei Karta.
7. The Satmar do not hate all Gentiles. That simply is not true. There are no sects in Judaism who hate all Gentiles unless you consider the 3 or 4 members of the splinter "forums" to be sects. The splinter "forums" are the only Jews that I ever met who hate all Gentiles.
Now can we please put all of this behind us? We have more important things to do.