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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: P J C on July 20, 2008, 12:24:02 AM
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I have just returned from a Jackie Mason show on broadway. I was going there expecting to hear a self- hating Jew joking about gay sex and Bill Clinton. But I was quite surprised when he was bashing Obama.
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I don't believe he's self-hating at all.
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Neither do I.
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I don't believe he's self-hating at all.
Second that. If he was, he wouldn't have spoken out against Jews for Jesus using his likeness.
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if you had seen his youtube stuff over the past - year or two, you wouldn't have been suprised.
he was never left wing.
he does come up with new comedy material on politics, but from what i've seen him saying on youtube, i don't find it funny. His old abstract comedy is much better. HE did a recent one on starbucks , again, not political, very funny.
Whenever comedians get into politics they become a big yawn
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Jackie is not left wing but he is still a typical PC Jew. Just watch his videos on youtube and learn how he tells us that majority of muslims are decent, good people and only few "terrorists" muslims give everyone a bad name.
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He is who he is and I'll let G-d decide whether he's a "righteous Jew" or not. He's certainly not self-hating.
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I have listen to Jackie on YT for a while now... he seems to be consistent with his views regarding Obama, but as far as defending the muslims, I think that's just PC since he works for a living and needs to be employed. I feels deep down he's a JTFer but doesn't know how to express it publicly w/o backlash.
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I have listen to Jackie on YT for a while now... he seems to be consistent with his views regarding Obama, but as far as defending the muslims, I think that's just PC since he works for a living and needs to be employed. I feels deep down he's a JTFer but doesn't know how to express it publicly w/o backlash.
Oh, he's definitely a conservative. I have spoken to him a few times.
He even joined the anti-Islam message board called Jihad Chat and posted a few times.
He gets interviewed by and sometimes fills in for conservative talk radio hosts and there's isn't a shadow of a doubt as to his
opinions about liberal Jews. I agree, though, that he has to watch what he says about ALL Muslims because
he works in a very liberal dominated industry.
In person, he speaks his mind.
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I have listen to Jackie on YT for a while now... he seems to be consistent with his views regarding Obama, but as far as defending the muslims, I think that's just PC since he works for a living and needs to be employed. I feels deep down he's a JTFer but doesn't know how to express it publicly w/o backlash.
Oh, he's definitely a conservative. I have spoken to him a few times.
He even joined the anti-Islam message board called Jihad Chat and posted a few times.
He gets interviewed by and sometimes fills in for conservative talk radio hosts and there's isn't a shadow of a doubt as to his
opinions about liberal Jews. I agree, though, that he has to watch what he says about ALL Muslims because
he works in a very liberal dominated industry.
In person, he speaks his mind.
You spoke to him privately?
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I have listen to Jackie on YT for a while now... he seems to be consistent with his views regarding Obama, but as far as defending the muslims, I think that's just PC since he works for a living and needs to be employed. I feels deep down he's a JTFer but doesn't know how to express it publicly w/o backlash.
Oh, he's definitely a conservative. I have spoken to him a few times.
He even joined the anti-Islam message board called Jihad Chat and posted a few times.
He gets interviewed by and sometimes fills in for conservative talk radio hosts and there's isn't a shadow of a doubt as to his
opinions about liberal Jews. I agree, though, that he has to watch what he says about ALL Muslims because
he works in a very liberal dominated industry.
In person, he speaks his mind.
You spoke to him privately?
Yes, he's a friend of my uncle and he's been to some weddings and bar mitzvahs in the family. I haven't spoken to him
since before 9/11 and back then I was pretty ignorant of politics of any kind. But everyone in the family who knows him
well, says he is very conservative and a big supporter of Israel.
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did support kahane's JDL.
not JTF, he was asked to. Maybe his agents saw the racist website..
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I have listen to Jackie on YT for a while now... he seems to be consistent with his views regarding Obama, but as far as defending the muslims, I think that's just PC since he works for a living and needs to be employed. I feels deep down he's a JTFer but doesn't know how to express it publicly w/o backlash.
Oh, he's definitely a conservative. I have spoken to him a few times.
He even joined the anti-Islam message board called Jihad Chat and posted a few times.
He gets interviewed by and sometimes fills in for conservative talk radio hosts and there's isn't a shadow of a doubt as to his
opinions about liberal Jews. I agree, though, that he has to watch what he says about ALL Muslims because
he works in a very liberal dominated industry.
In person, he speaks his mind.
I listen to a lot of talk radio when Jackie fills in for vacationing hosts and his views are defenitely conservative... and funny.
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He would fit in perfect here at JTF!!
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relatively speaking he's a good Jew...Relative of what the ideal Jew should be accroding to JTF, he's not terrible, but has some work to do..
He comes from a family of rabbis and generally agreed with Meir Kahane. Not sure where he would stand with JTF, though.
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I have some of Jackies videos on my blog. I love Jackie Mason. I have the scene in Mel Brooks The History of the World Part I, The Inquisition, where Jackie has a bit part.
http://lgfsucks.wordpress.com/2008/07/17/jackie-mason-obama-flip-flop-oy/
http://lgfsucks.wordpress.com/2008/07/01/jackie-masons-position-on-obama-iccchh/
http://lgfsucks.wordpress.com/2008/06/26/mel-brooks-inquisition-clip/
http://lgfsucks.wordpress.com/2008/06/26/you-want-funny/
muman613
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I sent Jackie an email asking him what he thought of Rabbi Kahane.
The next morning he sent me the following response:
"I knew him well and was very fond of him."
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He's a good Jew..a little too politically correct...definately not a self hating traitor.
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I wonder why does he think that we are racist movement?
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He is a great man. He was on the jihadchat for a while. He'll respond to your posts. I just wish he'd join us here.
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I wonder why does he think that we are racist movement?
He must listen to one of 2 groups either the left as a whole or his PR dept.?
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relatively speaking he's a good Jew...Relative of what the ideal Jew should be accroding to JTF, he's not terrible, but has some work to do..
He comes from a family of rabbis and generally agreed with Meir Kahane. Not sure where he would stand with JTF, though.
"Relatively?" Why are you so hard on fellow Jews who may not believe exactly as you do on every issue but nevertheless
share many of your beliefs?
I didn't realize there was a measure of an "ideal Jew." I am sure I would not even come close to what your standard of ideal is
but that doesn't make me a liberal/self-hating Jew by any means. I share many of your beliefs too, but I would not be
considered a good Jew in your eyes.
Perhaps that's why Jackie doesn't want to join this board.
I just read the story of Gitty Grunwald in the July 21 issue of New York Magazine who escaped from life as a Satmar wife
and lost her daughter in the process. That story horrified me as do many of the practices of Hasidic Jews. But this one
in particular made me feel ashamed to share a religion with these people.
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horselady,
An Ideal Jew should attempt to do as many of the 613 commandments of Hashem as commanded. This involves Observing Shabbat, Wearing TzitTzits, Donning Teffilin, Davening 3 times a day, eating Kosher, honoring your mother and father, not making idols, etc.
What is so hard about that?
muman613
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Remember HASHEM gave US the Torah!
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Some people have alleged that Jackie Mason is a racist to begin with. Check out his Wiki page where his statements concerning Scvartsas and PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazi-fakistanians.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackie_Mason
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackie_Mason#Allegations_of_racism
In 1991, he was criticized by African-American organizations such as the NAACP when he called New York mayor David Dinkins "a fancy schvartze with a moustache."[3] He later apologized. He was later accused of racism when the American comic Ray Hanania, of Palestinian descent, was axed from opening for him at a Chicago club.[3]
muman613
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Judaism is a system of understanding which can be used to raise a soul up toward connection with Hashem. An Ideal Jew would be one who strives to see Hashem in every aspect of physicality. An Ideal Jew sees g-dliness in nature and in humanity. The way to gain this understanding is through Torah and Mitzvot. This is what Judaim is. Judaism is not a religion.
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Some people have alleged that Jackie Mason is a racist to begin with. Check out his Wiki page where his statements concerning Scvartsas and PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazi-fakistanians.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackie_Mason
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackie_Mason#Allegations_of_racism
In 1991, he was criticized by African-American organizations such as the NAACP when he called New York mayor David Dinkins "a fancy schvartze with a moustache."[3] He later apologized. He was later accused of racism when the American comic Ray Hanania, of Palestinian descent, was axed from opening for him at a Chicago club.[3]
muman613
Jackie makes fun of every race, including the Jews .Don Rickles did the same thing, in fact his whole act is based on racial
stereotypes.
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horselady,
An Ideal Jew should attempt to do as many of the 613 commandments of Hashem as commanded. This involves Observing Shabbat, Wearing TzitTzits, Donning Teffilin, Davening 3 times a day, eating Kosher, honoring your mother and father, not making idols, etc.
What is so hard about that?
muman613
I can claim only one or two of those.
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=mZ5c6hxqXq4
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relatively speaking he's a good Jew...Relative of what the ideal Jew should be accroding to JTF, he's not terrible, but has some work to do..
He comes from a family of rabbis and generally agreed with Meir Kahane. Not sure where he would stand with JTF, though.
"Relatively?" Why are you so hard on fellow Jews who may not believe exactly as you do on every issue but nevertheless
share many of your beliefs?
I didn't realize there was a measure of an "ideal Jew." I am sure I would not even come close to what your standard of ideal is
but that doesn't make me a liberal/self-hating Jew by any means. I share many of your beliefs too, but I would not be
considered a good Jew in your eyes.
Perhaps that's why Jackie doesn't want to join this board.
I just read the story of Gitty Grunwald in the July 21 issue of New York Magazine who escaped from life as a Satmar wife
and lost her daughter in the process. That story horrified me as do many of the practices of Hasidic Jews. But this one
in particular made me feel ashamed to share a religion with these people.
Horselady - you've made and excellent, excellent point! O0 I do think that we are somewhat hampered by our inclination to see every Jew or Gentile as "ideal" as us, as right wing or more to the right than us. This is ridiculous.
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He is not a righteous man. He once promised the JDL a lot of money and then pretended that he had never made the statement.
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He is not a righteous man. He once promised the JDL a lot of money and then pretended that he had never made the statement.
Pure hearsay....unless you heard him personally.
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Oh yes, and I just remembered, Jackie is also a Rabbi.
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Heard it straight from Chaim on an Ask JTF last year.
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Heard it straight from Chaim on an Ask JTF last year.
OK, sorry. But I'm sure it's not the first time people have pledged money and
didn't come through.
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He is speaking out against that monster Obama. That should be good enough.
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He is speaking out against that monster Obama. That should be good enough.
I guess your right. :-\
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I have listen to Jackie on YT for a while now... he seems to be consistent with his views regarding Obama, but as far as defending the muslims, I think that's just PC since he works for a living and needs to be employed. I feels deep down he's a JTFer but doesn't know how to express it publicly w/o backlash.
Oh, he's definitely a conservative. I have spoken to him a few times.
He even joined the anti-Islam message board called Jihad Chat and posted a few times.
He gets interviewed by and sometimes fills in for conservative talk radio hosts and there's isn't a shadow of a doubt as to his
opinions about liberal Jews. I agree, though, that he has to watch what he says about ALL Muslims because
he works in a very liberal dominated industry.
In person, he speaks his mind.
I have heard him on the talk shows quite a few times. I think he even has his own show for a while that I have managed to catch a few times on a Sunday if I remember correctly. He is always good on the issues as good that is as the medum he broadcasts on allows. Sponsors have quite a bit to say about the show that carries their advertising so Jackie can only go so far. If you listen to him long enough you will see that he might fit right in here at JTF.
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He's MUCH better than most Jewish comedians.
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OK, sorry. But I'm sure it's not the first time people have pledged money and
didn't come through.
Yes, but he's a pretty big name and could have helped us a lot.
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He's MUCH better than most Jewish comedians.
I dont find him funny
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He's MUCH better than most Jewish comedians.
I dont find him funny
Neither do I,
But at least he's pro gun.
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He is not a righteous man. He once promised the JDL a lot of money and then pretended that he had never made the statement.
I heard that from Chaim too in an audio. He said he promised "us" money, then his agend denied knowledge of the conversation. I didn't know if he meant JTF or, when he led the JDL.
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Was that before or after JDL was put on the terrorism list? If after I would not blame him.
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Jackie Mason's video on the media bias towards Barack Hussein Obama and the complaints by the Obama camp about coverage towards Obama, is an excellent presentation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOTE9Hzs-Tw
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Was that before or after JDL was put on the terrorism list? If after I would not blame him.
Are you defending people calling JDL a terrorist group?
Now I really think you are a White Nationalist.
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Oh yes, and I just remembered, Jackie is also a Rabbi.
WAS a rabbi. He resigned.
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WAS a rabbi. He resigned.
Why?
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WAS a rabbi. He resigned.
Why?
It said it in his description in the Playbill when I saw him on broadway. He said he quit because he wanted to break the family chain.
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I wouldn't say he's a self-hating Jew, but he is what Chaim would call a yo-yo Jew. Just like Michael Savage...
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PJC!! BROADWAY!!! YAY!!! THAT IS EXACTLY where I want to be when I get back in NY, On the GREAT WHITE WAY, singing my HEART OUT. TY BTW for being in the chat-room- GBYOU.
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PJC!! BROADWAY!!! YAY!!! THAT IS EXACTLY where I want to be when I get back in NY, On the GREAT WHITE WAY, singing my HEART OUT. TY BTW for being in the chat-room- GBYOU.
;D. BTW For some reason I can't find the room anymore.