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A new statute for Vojvodina
31 October 2006
Tamaš Korhec said that the Vojvodina Parliament needs to develop a new statute as soon as possible.
Korhec, the Vojvodina Secretary for Administrations, Regulations and National Minorities, told Novi Sad daily Građanski List that the draft for the new Vojvodina statute should be developed by the end of the year, and added that the new statute will be more inclusive than the last one because Vojvodina has more jurisdiction under the newly confirmed Constitution.
He said that Vojvodina, under the new Serbian Constitution, can freely confirm its governmental institutions and their functions and jurisdiction.
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/in_focus.php?id=123&start=0&nav_id=37677
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I couldn't find the English text with more details on this subject and what this new statute brings,so let me introduce you with the facts.
Autonomous Province of Vojvodina already has its flag,anthem,autonomous yearly budget,parliament and Executive Council(the executive organ of the Province).
Now,the new statute as supreme legal act of the province(just like the constitution in the republic) brings some changes.
The experts of governing Democratic Party brought us a new statute.
The Province now gets its own property,autonomous Judicial independence(courts will be independent),independent executive power(the Province now can bring its own laws!),the Executive Council transforms into Vojvodina's Government with prime minister and other ministers on the top of the departures.It also gets the Academy of Science and Arts!
All of these are elements of statehood!It has everything it needs to be a new state,it just miss the police and the army.But it will come as it was told by the ex-German ambassador in Serbia Andreas Zobel.
I'll quote now the definition of the Province(and potential state) as it is written in the stature:"Autonomous Province of all its citizens who lives in it,as integral part of Rep.of Serbia,created on special national,historical,cultural and other virtues of the region,as multinational,multicultural and multiconfessional democratic European region,integrated in the European order.
Link on Serbian>http://www.dnevnik.co.yu/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=43683
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Worldpowers and their goals!
1. The collapse of Yugoslavia - status accomplished
2. The collapse of the Republic of Serbia - status in operation
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Worldpowers and their goals!
1. The collapse of Yugoslavia - status accomplished
2. The collapse of the Republic of Serbia - status in operation
Here in Vojvodina,we have manipulations from the national minorities and its political parties as thaey like to say to us "Between us there was always a good relationship,peace and unity and "evil Belgrade" work to ruin this".They want to get us,the Vojvodina's Serbs,on their side for their separatist goals.
Those type of sentences came from Hungarian and Croatian political parties,but that's not the truth.History tells us different story.Through the Vojvodina's history the Danube river was always full of Serbian blood from Hungarian,German,Austrian and Ustase's hands.
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Worldpowers and their goals!
1. The collapse of Yugoslavia - status accomplished
2. The collapse of the Republic of Serbia - status in operation
Here in Vojvodina,we have manipulations from the national minorities and its political parties as thaey like to say to us "Between us there was always a good relationship,peace and unity and "evil Belgrade" work to ruin this".They want to get us,the Vojvodina's Serbs,on their side for their separatist goals.
Those type of sentences came from Hungarian and Croatian political parties,but that's not the truth.History tells us different story.Through the Vojvodina's history the Danube river was always full of Serbian blood from Hungarian,German,Austrian and Ustase's hands.
I totally agree with you.
The "Dunav Svabe" Germans who lived once in Vojvodina would like to return to Vojvodina in case if it become an independent state.
Vojvodina was separated from Serbia in 1945 by the Bros's communists.
It had a great size of Autonomy during communist Yugoslavia.
Before WW2, during the existence of Royal Yugoslavia, the communists (separatists) established in exile the communist parties for Vojvodina and Kosovo in order to establish pre conditions to surrender Vojvodina and Kosovo to neighboring nations of Serbia.
The pro "democrats" are continuing with this communist anti-Serbian policy by providing more and more autonomy to Serbian province of Vojvodina.
Today in Vojvodina the Serbs are the majority. 80% of the inhabitants of Vojvodina are Serbian. So, why do we need a Serb autonomy in Serbia? This is typical communist anti Serb policy.
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Worldpowers and their goals!
1. The collapse of Yugoslavia - status accomplished
2. The collapse of the Republic of Serbia - status in operation
Here in Vojvodina,we have manipulations from the national minorities and its political parties as they like to say to us "Between us there was always a good relationship,peace and unity and "evil Belgrade" work to ruin this".They want to get us,the Vojvodina's Serbs,on their side for their separatist goals.
Those type of sentences came from Hungarian and Croatian political parties,but that's not the truth.History tells us different story.Through the Vojvodina's history the Danube river was always full of Serbian blood from Hungarian,German,Austrian and Ustase's hands.
I personally know a lot of people from Vojvodina, who are prepared for their new country and separation of Belgrade! It is very interesting how these people are manipulative by the big forces of the world...I hate seeing such things happening to my Mother Country...Last year I was the only case from European Union who asked for Serbian citizenship! They thought I was crazy! No, I'm not crazy, I just love Serbia!
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I was Born in Vojvodina... and I know what you're talking about.
I was recently there visiting family and saw how eager the people were to get into the EU. It sicken me that their brainwashed to that degree
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I was Born in Vojvodina... and I know what you're talking about.
I was recently there visiting family and saw how eager the people were to get into the EU. It sicken me that their brainwashed to that degree
Now there are also alot of Serbs from Krajina in Vojvodina!
They are there in exile. They have faced Croatian ethnic cleansing, under EU protection, so they are totally not interested int he EU.
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I was Born in Vojvodina...
I did not know that you were also Serbian? :)
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I was Born in Vojvodina...
I did not know that you were also Serbian? :)
May be not.
There are about 30 nationalities here.
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I was Born in Vojvodina...
I did not know that you were also Serbian? :)
I'm actually ethnic Romanian... my family left Yugoslavian in '86 but I still have extended family and friends out there
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I was Born in Vojvodina...
I did not know that you were also Serbian? :)
I'm actually ethnic Romanian... my family left Yugoslavian in '86 but I still have extended family and friends out there
Oo oke..
You speak Serbian comrade :) ?
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samo malo brate... ;D
I was very little when I left, and only recently began to learn as I was there visiting as an adult.
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I was Born in Vojvodina...
I did not know that you were also Serbian? :)
I'm actually ethnic Romanian... my family left Yugoslavian in '86 but I still have extended family and friends out there
Are they from Vrsac near Serbian Romanian border?
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I was Born in Vojvodina...
I did not know that you were also Serbian? :)
I'm actually ethnic Romanian... my family left Yugoslavian in '86 but I still have extended family and friends out there
Are they from Vrsac near Serbian Romanian border?
Kerber brate !
You are also an autochthon of Vojvodina?
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I was Born in Vojvodina...
I did not know that you were also Serbian? :)
I'm actually ethnic Romanian... my family left Yugoslavian in '86 but I still have extended family and friends out there
Are they from Vrsac near Serbian Romanian border?
Kerber brate !
You are also an autochthon of Vojvodina?
I'm from Novi Sad,Vojvodina's capitol.
I thought you know that. ;D
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Nisi mi rekao da si tamo starosijedilac brate!
Mislio sam da su tvoji mozda dosli sa strane ;)
Inace kad cemo do futoske ulice da pojedemo ribu!
Ja uvijek tamo jedem ribu, ja pravi Dalmatinac hehe to znaci da nemogu bez mora i ribe....
Znas tamo gdje prodavaju ribu s rostilja?
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I was Born in Vojvodina...
I did not know that you were also Serbian? :)
I'm actually ethnic Romanian... my family left Yugoslavian in '86 but I still have extended family and friends out there
Are they from Vrsac near Serbian Romanian border?
Yes, I was born in Vrsac.
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Nisi mi rekao da si tamo starosijedilac brate!
Mislio sam da su tvoji mozda dosli sa strane ;)
Inace kad cemo do futoske ulice da pojedemo ribu!
Ja uvijek tako jedem ribu, ja pravi Dalmatinac hehe to znaci da nemogu bez mora i ribe....
Pa jesam starosedelac.Matori mi iz Novog Sada,a majka iz Sida blizu granice sa Hrvatskom. :)
Ma ja slabo jedem recnu ribu...pogotovu ne ovu dunavsku,jbg...prljav Dunav i zagadjen od NATO bombardovanja.Cak izbegavam i da se kupam u njemu. :-\
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Nisi mi rekao da si tamo starosijedilac brate!
Mislio sam da su tvoji mozda dosli sa strane ;)
Inace kad cemo do futoske ulice da pojedemo ribu!
Ja uvijek tako jedem ribu, ja pravi Dalmatinac hehe to znaci da nemogu bez mora i ribe....
Pa jesam starosedelac.Matori mi iz Novog Sada,a majka iz Sida blizu granice sa Hrvatskom. :)
Ma ja slabo jedem recnu ribu...pogotovu ne ovu dunavsku,jbg...prljav Dunav i zagadjen od NATO bombardovanja.Cak izbegavam i da se kupam u njemu. :-\
Ja samo skusu i morsku ribu kupujem.
U Duvan nikad ne idem nego samo po Banjama..
Znam za Sid.
Tamo imam rodjaka..
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Serbians killed 44 000 Hungarians in 1944. I say and support North-Vojvodina should be again Hungarian. Serbs are so chauvinists. I also supported Kosovo!
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Serbians killed 44 000 Hungarians in 1944. I say and support North-Vojvodina should be again Hungarian. Serbs are so chauvinists. I also supported Kosovo!
44.000 Hungarians in 1944. That's a lie.
In 1944 Serbia was occupied by Germany and Hungary! There was not an active Serbian goverment in 1944. What a lie!
How many Serbs and Jewd have you killed during the period od 1941-1945?
The former and today;s fascist countries, at the Balkans, were the first one which have recognized Kosovo
- Albania
- Croatia
- Bulgaria
- and Hungary
Coincidence ? Or old Nazi solidarity.
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That's not lie.
Vojvodina was historical part of Hungary since 896. I hate the Nazis and Germans. But lot of Hungarians tried to save lot of Jewish people, Szalasi (Szalosjan was a Slovak / Armenian) mix. Germans captured Hungary in 1944!! In the nazi times my mother's grandfather had to change his name!! Hungarians killed 3000 Serb partisans. That was right.
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Fascist Hungarian and Germans had concentrationcamp, against Serbs, during WW1 on territories which belonged to the former Austrohungarian empire.
Further there was once a great Serbian Orthodox community present in Hungaria. Hungarian fascists had bannished all the Serbs out of Hungaria!
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I don't know why you think that Hungarians are fascist. Fact they were at the goverment. But the medium Hungarian people hated the Nazis and Germans. Good example, in my father side (who were Hungarians) save Jews in the WW2. They concealed Jews. My mother side Jewish origin of me. That's why I love Israel and Hungary too!! O0
By the way are you Croat? :)
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That's not lie.
In 1944 Serbs were not governig Vojvodina!
That says enhough!
Vojvodina was historical part of Hungary since 896.
There were many Serbs present in Hungary and they were ethnic cleaned and killed by you nation!
I hate the Nazis and Germans. But lot of Hungarians tried to save lot of Jewish people, Szalasi (Szalosjan was a Slovak / Armenian) mix. Germans captured Hungary in 1944!! In the nazi times my mother's grandfather had to change his name!! Hungarians killed 3000 Serb partisans. That was right.
Those Hungarians who saved Jews were a very small minority!
Hungarian just like the Croats were fanaticall Jew and Serbs slaugthers!
Hungarian were cruel fascists!
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NO!!!
I don't understand with You!!! My father side is full Hungarian and they never never hated the Jews! If you ask a Hungarian man in the street he will say he has not problem with Israel. Fascist Hungarian has started in 1944! The Arrow Cross party was puppet state of nazi Germany! Hungarians accepted and saved Polish-Jews lifes!!
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Fact they were at the goverment. But the medium Hungarian people hated the Nazis and Germans. Good example, in my father side (who were Hungarians) save Jews in the WW2.
Not only they were governing your land but also they were active in the extermination of the Jews! That is a historical fact!
in my father side (who were Hungarians) save Jews in the WW2. They concealed Jews. My mother side Jewish origin of me. That's why I love Israel and Hungary too!!
Thats maybe one example! Most Hungarians were cruel fascists.
Come to Vojvodina and see many monuments which represent the Hungarian Nazi genocide over Jews and Serbs.
By the way are you Croat? :)
There are no Croats alive today only Catholic Serbs!
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NO!!!
I don't understand with You!!! My father side is full Hungarian and they never never hated the Jews! If you ask a Hungarian man in the street he will say he has not problem with Israel. Fascist Hungarian has started in 1944! The Arrow Cross party was puppet state of nazi Germany! Hungarians accepted and saved Polish-Jews lifes!!
http://www.claremontmckenna.edu/hist/jpetropoulos/arrow/holocaust/holocaust.htm
Learn history!!!!
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In Vojvodina the Serbs beat the Hungarian civilian peoples, one knifed a Hungarian some months ago. :'(
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Serbians killed 44 000 Hungarians in 1944. I say and support North-Vojvodina should be again Hungarian. Serbs are so chauvinists. I also supported Kosovo!
First,you should learn history little more,because that's crap what you said.
Second,Hungaria was the occupier in Serbia(Yugoslavia) with Axis powers.Hungaria was fascist country.
Do you know what happened from 1941-1944 in Serbia,Vojvodina and what atrocities Hungarian Honveds(fascist soldiers) made here?Hungaria was a Hitler's ally not Serbia.
Hungarian fascist exterminated a lot of Serbs and Jews in Vojvodina.Many Serbian and Slovakian villages desapered in killings.In Novi Sad,in January 1942,in just 3 days Hungarian fascists slaughtered about 1300 Serbs and Jews,slaughtered Serbian and Jewish bodies floated under the frozen Danube.We have a monument to remember us for this occasion were children and older men and woman were brutally slaughtered with knifes and thrown under the frozen river.
Every year,we have a commemorations on the day when it started.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2e/Zrtve_racije01.jpg)
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In Vojvodina the Serbs beat the Hungarian civilian peoples, one knifed a Hungarian some months ago. :'(
I condemn those crimes.
But they were conducted by groups who are out of any control!
What about the Serbs who once lived in Hungary?
Why have you bannished them!
Read the above article you Hungarians were great Catholic fascists who butchered Serbs and Jews for the Vatican!
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NO!!!
I don't understand with You!!! My father side is full Hungarian and they never never hated the Jews! If you ask a Hungarian man in the street he will say he has not problem with Israel. Fascist Hungarian has started in 1944! The Arrow Cross party was puppet state of nazi Germany! Hungarians accepted and saved Polish-Jews lifes!!
http://www.claremontmckenna.edu/hist/jpetropoulos/arrow/holocaust/holocaust.htm
Learn history!!!!
I HATE THE ALL NAZIS AND ARROW CROSS PARTY!! I just trying protect the more Hungarians who were not anti-Jews! Yes some Hungarian were fascist and shame! But not all!!!
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In Vojvodina the Serbs beat the Hungarian civilian peoples, one knifed a Hungarian some months ago. :'(
I condemn those crimes.
But they were conducted by groups who are out of any control!
What about the Serbs who once lived in Hungary?
Why have you bannished them!
Read the above article you Hungarians were great Catholic fascists who butchered Serbs and Jews for the Vatican!
I don't like Catholics too. But Hungary fought against the Muslim hordes and against Turks. In Siege of Eger in 1552, 2000 Hungarians beat a 150 - 200 000 Turkish army!! And lot of Hungarian Jews gave their life in WW1.
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Serbians killed 44 000 Hungarians in 1944. I say and support North-Vojvodina should be again Hungarian. Serbs are so chauvinists. I also supported Kosovo!
First,you should learn history little more,because that's crap what you said.
Second,Hungaria was the occupier in Serbia(Yugoslavia) with Axis powers.Hungaria was fascist country.
Do you know what happened from 1941-1944 in Serbia,Vojvodina and what atrocities Hungarian Honveds(fascist soldiers) made here?Hungaria was a Hitler's ally not Serbia.
Hungarian fascist exterminated a lot of Serbs and Jews in Vojvodina.Many Serbian and Slovakian villages desapered in killings.In Novi Sad,in January 1942,in just 3 days Hungarian fascists slaughtered about 1300 Serbs and Jews,slaughtered Serbian and Jewish bodies floated under the frozen Danube.We have a monument to remember us for this occasion were children and older men and woman were brutally slaughtered with knifes and thrown under the frozen river.
Every year,we have a commemorations on the day when it started.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2e/Zrtve_racije01.jpg)
I know it! BUT UNDERSTAND NOT THE ALL HUNGARIANS ARE FASCIST, IT'S HURT FOR MY OTHER FAMILY SIDE! And I have lot of Hungarian friends who are nationalists and they never insulted my because of my Jewish blood! Hungary had sometimes Nazi scums (puppet of Hitler).
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In Vojvodina the Serbs beat the Hungarian civilian peoples, one knifed a Hungarian some months ago. :'(
I condemn those crimes.
But they were conducted by groups who are out of any control!
What about the Serbs who once lived in Hungary?
Why have you bannished them!
Read the above article you Hungarians were great Catholic fascists who butchered Serbs and Jews for the Vatican!
I don't like Catholics too. But Hungary fought against the Muslim hordes and against Turks. In Siege of Eger in 1552, 2000 Hungarians beat a 150 - 200 000 Turkish army!! And lot of Hungarian Jews gave their life in WW1.
Hungarian Serbs were also active in that fight against the Turks!
You are a fascist scum!
You use propaganda against Serbs 44.000 Hungarian killed by Serbia in 1944? What a lie!
You support separatism in Vojvodina and you support the false state of Kosovo!
Hitler gave Kosovo in 1941 to NAzi Albania so you support Kosovo's indepence you are a real fascist! You aslo ignore Hungarian Nazi crimes against Serbs and Jews during WW2? Holocaust denier?
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Serbians killed 44 000 Hungarians in 1944. I say and support North-Vojvodina should be again Hungarian. Serbs are so chauvinists. I also supported Kosovo!
First,you should learn history little more,because that's crap what you said.
Second,Hungaria was the occupier in Serbia(Yugoslavia) with Axis powers.Hungaria was fascist country.
Do you know what happened from 1941-1944 in Serbia,Vojvodina and what atrocities Hungarian Honveds(fascist soldiers) made here?Hungaria was a Hitler's ally not Serbia.
Hungarian fascist exterminated a lot of Serbs and Jews in Vojvodina.Many Serbian and Slovakian villages desapered in killings.In Novi Sad,in January 1942,in just 3 days Hungarian fascists slaughtered about 1300 Serbs and Jews,slaughtered Serbian and Jewish bodies floated under the frozen Danube.We have a monument to remember us for this occasion were children and older men and woman were brutally slaughtered with knifes and thrown under the frozen river.
Every year,we have a commemorations on the day when it started.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2e/Zrtve_racije01.jpg)
I know it! BUT UNDERSTAND NOT THE ALL HUNGARIANS ARE FASCIST, IT'S HURT FOR MY OTHER FAMILY SIDE! And I have lot of Hungarian friends who are nationalists and they never insulted my because of my Jewish blood! Hungary had sometimes Nazi scums (puppet of Hitler).
80% of the Hungarians supported the Nazi Hungarian governemt during WW2.
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No. You can libel me. I just protect the more and medium Hungarians. But if you think me "fascist", but my mother side is Jew, I can give you link on YouTube, where I fight with Nazis. Do you want it?
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Hungarian, how do you support Kosovo?
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Hungarian, how do you support Kosovo?
If you ask me, I don't support Muslims.
But the majority is Albanian! And lot of Albanian people died by Serbs at the last some years. Skanderbeu the Albanian hero fought against the Turkish muslims. They are so little country, I think they deserved Kosovo.
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Hungarian is legitimately sincere in his attempts to support Jewish causes, I know this from talking to him on aim.
Please don't interpret his differences of opinion as attempts to antagonize you.
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Hungarian, how do you support Kosovo?
Because his leader Adolf Hitler also gave Kosovo to Albania thats why!
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Hungarian is legitimately sincere in his attempts to support Jewish causes, I know this from talking to him on aim.
Please don't interpret his differences of opinion as attempts to antagonize you.
He has fascist statements and fascists intentions against the Serbs.
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OK, so you are saying that Kosovo deserved to be Albanian!
Can I ask you to leave this forum please?
Otherwise I will report you and soon you will be a history for this forum!
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Hungarian, how do you support Kosovo?
If you ask me, I don't support Muslims.
But the majority is Albanian! And lot of Albanian people died by Serbs at the last some years. Skanderbeu the Albanian hero fought against the Turkish muslims. They are so little country, I think they deserved Kosovo.
Skanderbeu the Albanian hero fought against the Turkish muslims ?
Read this!
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No. You can libel me. I just protect the more and medium Hungarians. But if you think me "fascist", but my mother side is Jew, I can give you link on YouTube, where I fight with Nazis. Do you want it?
First,you said a total lie that Serbs killed 44.000 Hungarians.If it isn't sad,it would be funny!
I tell you once again,inform yourself little better what was happening during the period and who was the killer and who was the victim and what was the goals of both sides?
Second,if you support the occupation of Kosovo and Metohija from NATO occupiers,than it must be that you don't know nothing about the history of that region and the roots of the conflict,or you consciously support revised fascistic politics against Serbia,which made you something that it is not very popular here.
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Dalmacija. Listen to me it was enough.
Call me Nazi or as you want. I am not. It's easy to say. It's hard libels! From my part I finished the talking with You.
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OK, so you are saying that Kosovo deserved to be Albanian!
Can I ask you to leave this forum please?
Otherwise I will report you and soon you will be a history for this forum!
Remove all of his future posts on this Serbian section!
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Serbians killed 44 000 Hungarians in 1944. I say and support North-Vojvodina should be again Hungarian. Serbs are so chauvinists. I also supported Kosovo!
Read this anti-Serb lies.
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Jasmina declare him not welcome on our forum!
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OK, so you are saying that Kosovo deserved to be Albanian!
Can I ask you to leave this forum please?
Otherwise I will report you and soon you will be a history for this forum!
Because my opinion is other, you will bann me? Very nice...
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OK, so you are saying that Kosovo deserved to be Albanian!
Can I ask you to leave this forum please?
Otherwise I will report you and soon you will be a history for this forum!
Because my opinion is other, you will bann me? Very nice...
How can Serbs kill 44.000 Hungarians in 1944 when Serbia was occupied by Germnay and fascists Hungary?
This says enough about you..
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OK, so you are saying that Kosovo deserved to be Albanian!
Can I ask you to leave this forum please?
Otherwise I will report you and soon you will be a history for this forum!
Because my opinion is other, you will bann me? Very nice...
How can you have an opinion that Serbs killed 44.000 Hungarians???
Are you normal man!?Who told you that lie?
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You are spreading lies about my NATION!!! I will report you!!!! How simple is that????
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1944-1945_Killings_in_Ba%C4%8Dka
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Serbia was the only anti-fascist nation during WW2 at the Balkans the neigboring countries of Serbia (Bulagria, Croatia, Albania and HUNGARYA)
occupied Serb lands and started to kill Serbs and Jews.
Real anti-fascists and Jews recognize the Serbian anti-fascist character!
You are spreting anti-Serb lies.
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You are spreading lies about my NATION!!! I will report you!!!! How simple is that????
I said what I thought. I said what I read. I didn't insult Serbia.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1944-1945_Killings_in_Ba%C4%8Dka
Dunav Sabe (some Germans) were ethnic cleansed but not Hungarians.
Historical manipulation of facts!
That happend after WW2 not in 1944!
That is your second lie.
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You are spreading lies about my NATION!!! I will report you!!!! How simple is that????
I said what I thought. I said what I read. I didn't insult Serbia.
1. You said it were 44.000 Hungarian who were killed by the Serbs in 1944!
2. You said the Albanians, the allies of the Turks, were fighting the Ottomans? ?
3. According to your opinion Kosovo must be independent!
4. You also defend Hungarian fascist past?
5. You think Vojvodina must be annexed to Hungarya!
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....and you should be banned!
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You are spreading lies about my NATION!!! I will report you!!!! How simple is that????
I said what I thought. I said what I read. I didn't insult Serbia.
1. You said it were 44.000 Hungarian who were killed by the Serbs in 1944!
2. You said the Albanians, the allies of the Turks, were fighting the Ottomans? ?
3. According to your opinion Kosovo must be independent!
4. You also defend Hungarian fascist past?
5. You think Vojvodina must be annexed to Hungarya!
1. I said, because I learned and read it. But if you give me independent source I promise I will read.
2. I am not good in the Albanian history, sorry I just learned about Skanderbeu, and I learned that he was one of the most anti-Muslim leader in the medieval age.
3. Majority is Albanian.
4. I didn't defend them, I just defended the medium Hungarians, I am not 100% Jewish as I said, my father side is Hungarian, and they hate the Nazis too.
5. I just spoke about the North-Vojvodina with Hungarian majority.
And If I insulted some Serbian-Jewish people here, I didn't want. I am sorry. I will not write here, in the future, if you want. But don't call Hungarian fascist please. They are totally against the facism now.
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You are spreading lies about my NATION!!! I will report you!!!! How simple is that????
I said what I thought. I said what I read. I didn't insult Serbia.
1. You said it were 44.000 Hungarian who were killed by the Serbs in 1944!
2. You said the Albanians, the allies of the Turks, were fighting the Ottomans? ?
3. According to your opinion Kosovo must be independent!
4. You also defend Hungarian fascist past?
5. You think Vojvodina must be annexed to Hungarya!
1. I said, because I learned and read it. But if you give me independent source I promise I will read.
2. I am not good in the Albanian history, sorry I just learned about Skanderbeu, and I learned that he was one of the most anti-Muslim leader in the medieval age.
3. Majority is Albanian.
4. I didn't defend them, I just defended the medium Hungarians, I am not 100% Jewish as I said, my father side is Hungarian, and they hate the Nazis too.
5. I just spoke about the North-Vojvodina with Hungarian majority.
And If I insulted some Serbian-Jewish people here, I didn't want. I am sorry. I will not write here, in the future, if you want. But don't call Hungarian fascist please. They are totally against the facism now.
1.You should read better.There was no "civilians" in fifth column.Members of "fifth column" who still attacks can't be civilians.Whoever holds the gun and shoots is not a civilian.
2."Skenderbeu" is Skenderbeg,he was not an Albanian,he was Serbian.I posted on some other Serbian forum his own letter where he wrotes about his faith,his ethnicity and his contribution to the building of the Serbian Orthodox Hilandar Monestary in Greece.I'll tell you something about him later...and show you how Albanians steal lands and people.
3.Yes,the Albos were their vassals and Turks brought them in Kosovo and Metohija from Albania.
4.You hate the nazis but you support fascist's politics in Kosovo which is almost the same today as it was in WWII?
5.Where national minorities has the right to separate from the state?Is there any international law that allows that?No!The international law says that minorities doesn't have rights to secede.Otherwise it would be a pure chaos in all world,because almost every national state has minorities...
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Hungarian, JTF fully supports the Serbs.
After all, the Serbs helped the Jews, and were allies to America for both World Wars. So this is not the place to post anti-Serb comments.
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@HUNGARIAN
Considering Skenderbeg...
In the 15th century in enslaved Albania under Ottoman Empire,there was a few families that ruled under the Sultan.On the north there were Dukadyin and Musaki,in the south Ariyanti and in the central Albania(today its Kroya region) the ruling family was Kastriot(Kastriots were Orthodox Serbs).
Skenderbeg's father's name was Ivan Kastriot.Ivan had a wife Vojislava(that's Serbian,Slavic name) and 4 sons: Stanisha,Reposh,Kostadin and Djuradj(Dyurady or Dyordye,little hard to spell...on English it's George).
As an Orthodox Serb he(Ivan Kastriot,father of Djuradj,later known as Skenderbeg as we'll see) helped the construction of the biggest sanctity of its people the Hilandar Monastery on the "Ayis Oros"(Saint Mountain in Atos,Greece).If he wasn't Serb he would help construct an Albanian monastery,as every other Orthodox people in the region did for its self.But he constructed a "pirg"(tower near the Monastery that protects it from pirates and thiefs) at the Hilandar Serbian Monestary in Atos,Greece.
Here's a letter dedicated to the Monastery written in cyrillic(as Ivan Kastriot,father of Skenderbeg was a Serb.I'm asking if some1 of Serbs here could translate this letter from Skenderbeg's father so Hungarian can read this):
"Po neizrecivom milosrdju vladike moga Hrista,ja gresni nedostojni,ne smem se nazvati rob Hrista Boga mojega,Ivan Kastriot i sa sinovima mojim Stanisom i Kostadinom i Djuradjem iskazujuci revnost Gospodu Bogu,mome Svedrzitelju i pomoci preciste Vladicice nase Bogorodice Lavre Hilandarske,savjetovavsi se sa sinovima mojim prilozismo svetom manastiru koliko je u nasoj moci; sveblagi Bog i precista Bogomati neka prime ove nase male priloge kao sto su primili od one udovice 2 novcica.I prilozih selo Radostushe i s Crkvom s Precistom Bogorodicom koja je u selu Radostushi, i sa selom Trebishtem.
I tako prilozih oba ta sela da su slobodna od svih rabota malih i velikih,sa svim njihovim pravima,osim haraca careva i grada,a sve drugo da je svetog manastira,da nema vlasti nad njim ni kefalija,ni vlasnik,ni pisar,ni da daju desetak ,ni od zita ni od vina,ni od pcela,ni dinar na ime poklona,ni travninu,ni torovimu,nego da Crkva uyima sve svoje pravine po zakonu tij sela.I prosto receno da su slobodni od svih mojih rabota,malih i velikih."
Later,Ivan Kastriot's son Reposh and brother of Djuradj(Skenderbeg-that was his Turkish name) died in this Monastery and he was buried here.That's how close was this family Kastriot to the Monastery.
The youngest son of Ivan Kastriot was Djuradj Kastriot.Djuradj(George) Kastriot was enslaved by Turks and Islamized.As a Turkish servant he got the new name "Skenderbeg".
Later,He used the Hungarian-Turkish war in(1422-1444) when the Turkish power was weakening and regain rebelled against Turkish Sultan.He regain control of his motherland,central Albania around Kroya,and rebuild the govern of his family.Now what he did!?
As he was islamized,he NEVER REALLY ACCEPTED Islam and was asking all of those who was islamized too to return to its religion in his liberated central Albania.He killed those who rejected to return from Islam,adn the historians evaluate this number is about 1000 people.
Turkish Sultan Murad II attacked him,but Dyurady Kastriot(Skenderbeg),with help from Dubrovnik's Republic(Mletak's Republic,they was Serbs Catholics) was able to resist with major losses that brought him into very difficult position.He connected himself with other rulers trough the marriages,and so he gave his sister for Stefan Crnojevic,the ruler of Zeta.So,Skenderbeg gained support from him,too.
Also,what is interesting is that he spoke Serbian language and Turkish.Throughout the centuries of the Turkish Empire,all Kastriots were islamized and then Albanized,and the last descendant of this family as Kastriot that was Orthodox Serb died in 1918.Those who managed to escape and preserve its Serbian roots,today they have the surname Kastratovic.
So,thanks to the Albanian twisting of historical facts they are teaching its children that Skenderbeg was Albanian and that it was the "proof" of its national resistance to the Islamization and Ottoman Empire,which is a total lie!Albanians were the biggest Turkish allies and the most devoted servants.
Today Albanians believe so fanatically in this fairy tail that they made him their national hero and lately in the WWII they formed a hole nazi SS division called "Skenderbeg" that committed a genocide over Serbs in Kosovo during nazi German and Italian occupation.
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look dala
stop harrasing hungarian, u bait him, he is new, and he wants to learn the truth dont report him, he deserves another chance, i will speak with him okay. both of you have said some things. just end it, i will convince him to stay off of the save serbia section.
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Hungarian, I don't know what your motivation is, but you are spreading holocaust revisionism.
The Hungarians did support Nazi Germany in World War II.
When the Germans started to round up Hungarian Jews to take them to the Nazi death camps for extermination, the Hungarian Nazis enthusiastically assisted the Germans. Hundreds of thousands of innocent Hungarian Jewish men, women and children were sent to the Nazi death camps where they were brutally murdered. The blood of these innocent Jews is on the hands of the Hungarian Nazis who helped the Germans round them up for deportation to Auschwitz and other concentration camps.
Even in 1944, when it was obvious that Germany was going to lose the war, the Hungarian Nazis continued to assist their German allies.
After the war, the Hungarians stole the property of the Hungarian Jews who had been murdered or deported.
To this day, whenever I do videos on liveleak, Hungarian Jew-haters post the most vicious Nazi comments against the Jewish people.
The Serbs, on the other hand, fought heroically against the German Nazis. The Serbs did not persecute or murder Jews. The Serbs allowed the Jews to join them in the mountains to fight together against the German Nazi invaders.
The Albanian Muslim Nazis, the "Bosnian" Muslim Nazis and the Croatian Nazis murdered 90,000 Yugoslav Jewish men, women and children.
The Albanian, "Bosnian" and Croatian Nazis also murdered 1.2 million innocent Serb men, women and children. The Croat Nazis even set up Nazi death camps to slaughter Serb women, children and babies.
If your mother is really Jewish, then you are a Jew. It is the mother who determines if someone is Jewish. And if you are a Jew, you have a moral obligation to support the heroic Serb people who were the only major group in the Balkans that did not murder or persecute Jews.
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Shalom everyone.
Well said above, Chaim Ben Pesach!!!
It is about time someone in a senior position at JTF spoke out against this Hungarian's Holocaust revisionism and outright lies (whether intentional or not is quite frankly irrelevant, in my opinion).
You know what amazes me the most? How many so-called "Leftist", "liberal" Jews (eg the publishers/editors of the Jewish magazine "The Forward") whom support the outright Nazi enemies of the heroic Christian Serbs.
These Jews - who overwhelmingly are self hating and ashamed to be Jewish - support the Albanian Muslims, the Bosnian Muslims and the Croatian Catholic Nazis.Have a look at all the Serb-hating liberal Jews in the mass media and Hollywood and those Jews in the Congress and Senate in Washington (most of them in the Democratic party but sadly, also a few so-called "neocons" in the Republican party) who support these despicable Nazi enemies of the heroic Christian Serbs. The Christian Orthodox Serbs who fought so nobly and heroically on the side of the Allies in both World Wars at a tremendous cost in Serbian lives (nearly 60% - yes you read that right - 60% OR ALMOST TWO THIRDS of the entire Serbian male population were killed fighting heroically and nobly against the Austrians, Hungarians and Germans in World War 1).
Well over a MILLION Serbs - some estimates by Western historians being as high as 1.7 Million Serbs - were brutally butchered with knives, sledgehammers, axes, saws, rope, fire and caustic soda by the Croats and their allies - the Albanian and Bosnian Muslim Nazis - in World War 2 in Bosnia-Herzegovina/Croatia-Krajina-Slavonija [aka the so called "Independent State of Croatia"].
And as Chaim correctly pointed out, over 90,000 Yugoslav Jews were also brutally slaughtered along with their Serbian brothers and sisters - including tens of thousands of Romany Gypsies - in Croatian concentration camps like "Jasenovac-Stara Gradiska" - all of these innocent men,women and children murdered in the most horrifically cruel way imaginable [read the Encyclopedia of the Holocaust for details].
The editor of the blog called "4International" - Felix Quigley - is probably the only Trotskyist socialist on the face of this earth that I know of whom unconditionally supports Israel, the Jewish people, Judaism, the Christian Serbs and their Orthodox Christian religion and condemns in unequivocal terms the neo-Stalinist "Communists", "Bolsheviks", "Socialists", "Social Democrats", "Liberals" and other so-called "Leftists" in the pro-Arab/pro-Muslim-Nazi Western mass media and the "International Solidarity Movement"/"Electronic Intifada" who are self-confessed supporters of the Hamas/Hezbollah/PLO-Fatah and Iranian Islamofascist/Nazi terrorists threatening Israel and the Jewish people on a daily basis with another Holocaust.
Felix Quigley is against those traitorous Globalist Imperialist "New World Order" scumbag politicians in Washington, Brussels and London - who behind our backs for decades have secretly worked together with and fully supported the Islamofascist Iranians, Saudis, Egyptians, Afghanis, Pakistanis, Turks et al - and the vilest neo-Nazis in the Balkans like the Ustasha Croats and their Islamofascist allies: the Bosnian and Albanian Muslims who to this day glorify and celebrate the atrocities perpetrated by the MUSLIM Waffen SS "Handschar", "Kama" and "Skanderbeg" Nazi divisions.
Felix Quigley has worked tirelessly exposing these traitorous Globalist New World Order politicians - for many years on the Canadian Israpundit website - and now for the last 8 months on his own blog 4international http://4international.wordpress.com (http://4international.wordpress.com)
That is why, even though I am speaking here as a religious Jew, fully support Felix Quigley and his 4International blog and am proud to be associated with him and his colleagues.
Shalom to and may G-d bless Chaim Ben Pesach and all our wonderful JTF members on the "Save Serbia" section of the best Jewish internet forum in the world: JTF.ORG/E
sincerely,
Joshua Rosenberg.
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Shalom everyone.
These Jews - who overwhelmingly are self hating and ashamed to be Jewish - support the Albanian Muslims, the Bosnian Muslims and the Croatian Catholic Nazis.Have a look at all the Serb-hating liberal Jews in the mass media and Hollywood and those Jews in the Congress and Senate in Washington (most of them in the Democratic party but sadly, also a few so-called "neocons" in the Republican party) who support these despicable Nazi enemies of the heroic Christian Serbs.
Those Jews, who are anti-Serbian, have to much media attention.
We must propagate those Jews who condemn evil and support the Serbs.