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Can't help it! I feel this way >:( a lot of the time.
I will admit at times I may have anger issues, but out of all my posts this evening was the 1st time I only put up an angry face. Thankfully many things make me happy.
Shalom Everyone,
I agree with Tzvi on this one. Our great sages have written numerous sefers which teach that anger is a form of idolatry. One who is angry all the time demonstrates his lack of faith in Hashem. Anger is a character trait which either leads to changing the circumstances for the good, or it leads to baseless hatred which is the reason our Holy Temple was destroyed.
It is wise to advise people to avoid anger.
Let us hope that our anger is righteous and leads us to rectify the things which are wrong in this world.
PS: I can think of at least two great Rabbis who advised against anger... First and most famously is the Chofetz Chaim who brought down the laws of Lashon Hara and Loving Kindness. Rabbi Nachman is famous for advising against anger recommending joy as the path to redemption.
Shalom Everyone,
I agree with Tzvi on this one. Our great sages have written numerous sefers which teach that anger is a form of idolatry. One who is angry all the time demonstrates his lack of faith in Hashem. Anger is a character trait which either leads to changing the circumstances for the good, or it leads to baseless hatred which is the reason our Holy Temple was destroyed.
It is wise to advise people to avoid anger.
Let us hope that our anger is righteous and leads us to rectify the things which are wrong in this world.
PS: I can think of at least two great Rabbis who advised against anger... First and most famously is the Chofetz Chaim who brought down the laws of Lashon Hara and Loving Kindness. Rabbi Nachman is famous for advising against anger recommending joy as the path to redemption.
Isn't vanity more akin to idolatry than anger?
Anger and Faith
The truth is that there is no magic potion. It was not a pill that Moses took, but the perspective he brought to his interactions with others.
Our sages equated anger with the cardinal sin of idolatry.4 Moses must have reflected that if the sin of anger is so grievous as to be equated with idolatry, and if we are required to sacrifice our lives to avoid idol worship, we are surely required to rein in our ego and control our tempers to avoid anger.
It remains to us to explain the connection is between anger and idolatry. What is the connection?
"There are certain character traits which a person is forbidden to accustom himself in, even in moderation. Rather, he must distance himself to the opposite extreme. One such trait is haughtiness...
"So too is anger an exceedingly bad quality; one from which it is proper that one distance himself to an extreme. A person should train himself not to anger even on a matter regarding which anger is appropriate. And if a person wants to instill awe upon his children -- or if he is an administrator / provider ('parnais') and wants to anger at the community members in order that they mend their ways, he should only feign anger in their presence in order to castigate them, but his mind should be composed within. He should act as one impersonating an [angry] man while not being angry himself.
"The early Sages said, 'Whoever angers is as if he has performed idolatry.' They said further that one who angers, if he is a scholar his wisdom will depart from him, and if he is a prophet his prophetic spirit will depart from him. [The Sages further stated,] 'People who have tempers -- their lives are not lives.'
"Therefore, [the Sages] instructed us that one should distance himself from anger so much so that one accustoms himself not to feel even things which [would ordinarily] incite one to anger. And this is the ideal path.
"It is [further] the way of the righteous that they are insulted / abused ('aluvim') but do not insult back; they hear themselves being disgraced and do not respond. They act out of love and rejoice in suffering. Regarding them does the verse state, 'And those that love Him are as the emergence of the sun in its power' (Judges 5:31)."
So Muman, anger is a human emotion. Are you saying we should never get angry? Isn't there a time and place for everything? Also, if there's no anger, or hatred of evil and injustice, what motivates good people to take a stand and to do what's right?
I can understand not being consumed by your anger.
So Muman, anger is a human emotion. Are you saying we should never get angry? Isn't there a time and place for everything? Also, if there's no anger, or hatred of evil and injustice, what motivates good people to take a stand and to do what's right?
I can understand not being consumed by your anger.
By the way when making this thread, I wasn't demanding that everyone should be on this level where they never get angry, <snip>
By the way when making this thread, I wasn't demanding that everyone should be on this level where they never get angry, <snip>
"this level" no doubt a level you deem to be very high.
from what you said, it looks like you really think that jews should -ideally- be on a "level" of never getting angry. That would include jews in war then.
that seems a bit silly.
I frequently notice this >:( being put up. Which if true says that you are angry. I would like to say to everyone here that this is not a good thing to be. I understand that many situations might be the cause of anger and frustration, but would also like to tell you that we shouldn't let them anger us (or worse bring people to rage). We just have to do what we can and not let the negativity bring even more nagativity upon us. Anger has a lot of negative aspects both physical and spiritual.You have a good point, but it's darned hard to with the state of the world as it is. However, it's not healthy to just fester in rage any more than lust or envy.
Stay happy, and do what you can, but dont get angry and upset.
By the way when making this thread, I wasn't demanding that everyone should be on this level where they never get angry, <snip>
"this level" no doubt a level you deem to be very high.
from what you said, it looks like you really think that jews should -ideally- be on a "level" of never getting angry. That would include jews in war then.
that seems a bit silly.
I said ideally. And anyway it is not silly at all. Even in the situation where one kills their enemies during war, it is also for the good. The kavanah is that better that I kill my enemy before it kills me and my family. Also with that attitude the soldier is much more efficient and focused. Not acting stupid and fighting efficiently and correctly. Doing what needs to be done as opposed to what one feels with their emotions.
By the way when making this thread, I wasn't demanding that everyone should be on this level where they never get angry, <snip>
"this level" no doubt a level you deem to be very high.
from what you said, it looks like you really think that jews should -ideally- be on a "level" of never getting angry. That would include jews in war then.
that seems a bit silly.
I said ideally. And anyway it is not silly at all. Even in the situation where one kills their enemies during war, it is also for the good. The kavanah is that better that I kill my enemy before it kills me and my family. Also with that attitude the soldier is much more efficient and focused. Not acting stupid and fighting efficiently and correctly. Doing what needs to be done as opposed to what one feels with their emotions.
I said that you said ideally.
Unfortunately, human beings are not robots or vulcans. If you pretend to be one, you can become apathetic and do nothing, or harm yourself with a bad diet!
Emotions can drive us to do things, good things.
Anger can cause chemical reactions that are very beneficial for fighting.
By the way when making this thread, I wasn't demanding that everyone should be on this level where they never get angry, <snip>
"this level" no doubt a level you deem to be very high.
from what you said, it looks like you really think that jews should -ideally- be on a "level" of never getting angry. That would include jews in war then.
that seems a bit silly.
I said ideally. And anyway it is not silly at all. Even in the situation where one kills their enemies during war, it is also for the good. The kavanah is that better that I kill my enemy before it kills me and my family. Also with that attitude the soldier is much more efficient and focused. Not acting stupid and fighting efficiently and correctly. Doing what needs to be done as opposed to what one feels with their emotions.
I said that you said ideally.
Unfortunately, human beings are not robots or vulcans. If you pretend to be one, you can become apathetic and do nothing, or harm yourself with a bad diet!
Emotions can drive us to do things, good things.
Anger can cause chemical reactions that are very beneficial for fighting.
So what do you say to the Chazal who equate Anger with Idolatry? I dont think there is anything beneficial from anger because it clouds the reasoning ability. Have you ever gotten angry? It is very bad for the soul and for all those around. You claim it is good for fighting but an angry fighter is not one who is thinking logically. I dont think anger is the appropriate term for what you are thinking. I think that an increase in adrenaline can be beneficial to a fighter because a fighter needs to be aware of what is going on around him.
I think that the wisdom of Chazal over-rides your claims...
PS: Your argument is one of 'the yetzer hara is really good' because sometimes it leads to good things {like having a family, etc.}. But we know that a yetzer hara which is not controlled is most certainly not for the good.
Rav Kahane also talked about it in Or'Harayon and he specifically points out that Jacob said "Cursed be their anger..." And not the act.
And also not being angry, should not be confused with being pessimistic.
From Rav Kahane's book (a little on this)
English version page 288 (top)
"Jacob did not, G-d forbid, curse Shimon and Levi, but their rage, the evil cause of their sin. It therefore says, "Cursed be their rage for it is fierce," and our sages comment (Bamidbar Rabbah 99:6), "He only cursed their rage." We also find (Lekach Tov, Gen. 49:7), "Cursed be their rage for it is fierce': May their rage be deferred and diminished. May their anger be lessened."
Zealotry and vengefulness are crucial attributes, but only if exercised for the sake of Heaven, as done by Pinchas.... If vengeful acts are motivated by sinful anger, however, that anger must be condemned."
Does the use of an "angry face" really warrant this much attention? Seriously.
Does the use of an "angry face" really warrant this much attention? Seriously.
I'm waiting for the thread about this one :beast:
I don't like that one at all!Does the use of an "angry face" really warrant this much attention? Seriously.
I'm waiting for the thread about this one :beast:
I don't like that one at all!Does the use of an "angry face" really warrant this much attention? Seriously.
I'm waiting for the thread about this one :beast:
I don't like that one at all!Does the use of an "angry face" really warrant this much attention? Seriously.
I'm waiting for the thread about this one :beast:
That is insulting to Wolves all over the world to put a retard face on a wolves body