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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on March 03, 2009, 11:36:09 PM
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Come here and debate if you have the skills, Muzzie-lover. I want you to explain to me what Sura 9:5 says and why it is considered the most important verse in the entire Koran. I want you to explain to me why the "perfect" word of Allah came in four different versions originally, and only the Zaidic Codex (considered historically to probably have been the most removed from the so-called "prophet") was accepted as final by the Caliph Uthman in 660. I want you to explain to me why the number of hadiths grew exponentially as more time was removed from the "prophet"'s death. I want you to tell me why originally Muslims prayed to Jerusalem and not to Mecca.
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First of all, you are completely ignoring the context of 9:5. The Muslims were attacked, and the pagans broke their truce with the Muslims. If you know Arabic, you would understand that this is speaking about a specific group of Pagans. The leadership of that tribe. It says "The disbelievers".
If it were speaking of all the pagans, it would just say "pagans", without 'the' preceding it. So verses 1-4 say to give them four months to stop the aggression, and if they continue, 9:5 says to fight them wherever you find them. And then 9:6 says "but if they seek your protection, offer them protection until fighting has ceased". Second, where did you get it is the most holy verse in the Qur'an? It is not. Muslims consider the whole Qur'an holy, but if you mean the "most rewarded verse" to recite, it would be ayat al-kursi. What do you mean by four forms? Furthermore, there is a science to Hadith. Many were made up, and so Islamic scholars study them, and determin which seem valid and which do not, based on who transmitted them, when they were written down, etc. as well as whether or not they comply with Islamic beliefs.
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I object to this pagan stuff being posted on a Jewish website. As a Jew we are commanded not to use the names of foreign G-ds or else suffer the curses written in Torah. There is no need for this discussion here. I feel offended even reading this stuff. I dont come here to learn about idol worship like Islam.
Islam was placed in the world in order to act as the Satan, the great deceiver and the ultimate prosecutor in the heavenly tribunal. What the Jews must do is remove Satan from before our eyes so we can perceive Hashems divine presence. On the day of judgement the Muslims will pay for their sin. Only those who gave up the idol worship, praying to the false prophet, will die with all the rest of sin.
I am praying for Hashem to bring this day soon, so that we may rebuild the Beit HaMikdash so we may resume the avodah {holy service}. I will be rejoicing with the righteous when Islam is destroyed like a fly by the mighty right hand of Hashem.
PS: Everyone knows that this world is Essau and Ishmaels domain while the World To Come {Olam Habah} is the heritage of Israel.
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First of all, you are completely ignoring the context of 9:5. The Muslims were attacked, and the pagans broke their truce with the Muslims. If you know Arabic, you would understand that this is speaking about a specific group of Pagans. The leadership of that tribe. It says "The disbelievers".
If it were speaking of all the pagans, it would just say "pagans", without 'the' preceding it. So verses 1-4 say to give them four months to stop the aggression, and if they continue, 9:5 says to fight them wherever you find them. And then 9:6 says "but if they seek your protection, offer them protection until fighting has ceased". Second, where did you get it is the most holy verse in the Qur'an? It is not. Muslims consider the whole Qur'an holy, but if you mean the "most rewarded verse" to recite, it would be ayat al-kursi. What do you mean by four forms? Furthermore, there is a science to Hadith. Many were made up, and so Islamic scholars study them, and determin which seem valid and which do not, based on who transmitted them, when they were written down, etc. as well as whether or not they comply with Islamic beliefs.
Don't say that there is a problem of interpretation. These verses have been interpreted and reinterpreted again and again. "People vote with their feet", have you ever heard of that? It means forget theory and look at what people do. Muslims worldwide have adopted the literal interpretation of these verses, whether you apologize for them or not. Read the long list of examples at www.thereligionofpeace.com
If all you have is theory, then you have no defense. I speak of practice.
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I object to this pagan stuff being posted on a Jewish website. As a Jew we are commanded not to use the names of foreign G-ds or else suffer the curses written in Torah. There is no need for this discussion here. I feel offended even reading this stuff. I dont come here to learn about idol worship like Islam.
Islam was placed in the world in order to act as the Satan, the great deceiver and the ultimate prosecutor in the heavenly tribunal. What the Jews must do is remove Satan from before our eyes so we can perceive Hashems divine presence. On the day of judgement the Muslims will pay for their sin. Only those who gave up the idol worship, praying to the false prophet, will die with all the rest of sin.
How is Islam an idolatrous religion? Muslims are one of the few peoples on Earth that follow the Noachide laws.
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You can look at the current. However, look at history? Where did Yehudim live best? In the Islamic world. Where was the only place where there were more jews after the holocaust than before, in Europe? Muslim Albania. Why? Because so many Muslims welcomed Jews with open arms.
This is not theory. I have many Muslim friends, and I've been to the Middle east and what you seem to think of Muslims and Islam is far from truth!
I recommend that you all read "Among the Righteous" by Robert Satloff, about forgotten heroes during the holocaust. Very interesting and eye-opening.
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I object to this pagan stuff being posted on a Jewish website. As a Jew we are commanded not to use the names of foreign G-ds or else suffer the curses written in Torah. There is no need for this discussion here. I feel offended even reading this stuff. I dont come here to learn about idol worship like Islam.
Islam was placed in the world in order to act as the Satan, the great deceiver and the ultimate prosecutor in the heavenly tribunal. What the Jews must do is remove Satan from before our eyes so we can perceive Hashems divine presence. On the day of judgement the Muslims will pay for their sin. Only those who gave up the idol worship, praying to the false prophet, will die with all the rest of sin.
I am praying for Hashem to bring this day soon, so that we may rebuild the Beit HaMikdash so we may resume the avodah {holy service}. I will be rejoicing with the righteous when Islam is destroyed like a fly by the mighty right hand of Hashem.
PS: Everyone knows that this world is Essau and Ishmaels domain while the World To Come {Olam Habah} is the heritage of Israel.
Muman, this is a debate about the religion of our enemy. It has nothing to do with worshiping another religion. We can't just hate Muslims because we hate Muslims. If we don't debate with the other side about the reasoning for our beliefs.. we will never be taken seriously.
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So, ZHM, do you believe Israel has the right to exist?
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The Song of the Red Sea
Moses and the Israelites then sang this song to God. It went:
I will sing to God for His great victory,
Horse and rider He threw in the sea.
My strength and song is God
And this is my deliverance;
This is my God, I will enshrine Him
My father's God, I will exalt Him.
God is the Master of war,
God is His name.
Pharaoh's chariots and army
He cast in the sea;
His very best officers
Were drowned in the Red Sea.
The depths covered them;
They sank to the bottom
Like a stone.
Your right Hand, O God
Is awesome in power;
Your right Hand, O God
crushes the foe.
In Your great Majesty
You broke Your opponents;
You sent forth Your wrath
It devoured them like straw.
At the blast of Your Nostrils
the waters towered.
Flowing water stood like a wall.
The depths congealed
In the heart of the sea.
The enemy said, 'I will give chase;
I will overtake, divide the spoils
I will satisfy myself.
I will draw my sword;
My hand will demolish them.'
You made Your wind blow;
The sea covered them.
They sank like lead
In the mighty waters.
Who is like You among powers, God?
Who is like You, majestic in holiness,
Awesome in praise, doing wonders?
You put forth Your right Hand;
The earth swallowed them.
With love, You led
the people You redeemed;
With might, You led [them]
to Your holy shrine.
Nations heard and shuddered;
Terror gripped those who dwell in Philistia.
Edom's chiefs then panicked;
Moab's heroes were seized with trembling;
Canaan's residents melted away.
Fear and dread fell upon them.
At the greatness of Your Arm
They are still as stone.
Until Your people crossed, O God,
Until the people You gained crossed over.
O bring them and plant them
On the mount You possess.
The place You dwell in
Is Your accomplishment, God.
The shrine of God
Your Hands have founded.
God will reign forever and ever.
[This song was sung] when Pharaoh's horse came into the sea, along with his chariot corps and cavalry, and God made the sea come back on them. The Israelites had walked on dry land in the midst of the sea.
Miriam the prophetess, Aaron's sister, took the drum in her hand, and all the women followed her with drums and dancing.
Miriam led them in the response, 'Sing to God for His great victory, horse and rider He cast in the sea.'
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I object to this pagan stuff being posted on a Jewish website. As a Jew we are commanded not to use the names of foreign G-ds or else suffer the curses written in Torah. There is no need for this discussion here. I feel offended even reading this stuff. I dont come here to learn about idol worship like Islam.
Islam was placed in the world in order to act as the Satan, the great deceiver and the ultimate prosecutor in the heavenly tribunal. What the Jews must do is remove Satan from before our eyes so we can perceive Hashems divine presence. On the day of judgement the Muslims will pay for their sin. Only those who gave up the idol worship, praying to the false prophet, will die with all the rest of sin.
How is Islam an idolatrous religion? Muslims are one of the few peoples on Earth that follow the Noachide laws.
Moslems are Satan's army. The Cult of Death and Destruction or..The Religion of Piece - arms, legs, hands, heads, torsos, tounges, all cut off or blown to bits and pieces. Do you agree with this most accurate description of Islam?
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First of all, you are completely ignoring the context of 9:5. The Muslims were attacked, and the pagans broke their truce with the Muslims. If you know Arabic, you would understand that this is speaking about a specific group of Pagans. The leadership of that tribe. It says "The disbelievers".
Either you do not know what abrogation is, or you do and are pretending. I suspect it is the latter. In Islamic theology it is believed that any revelation from Allah can be changed at any time, for any reason, because Allah can "do anything".
None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?
However, given the type of pre-packaged response you have given me, I am quite sure that you already know that. So, I'll just fill the rest of the forum in on what this all means. When your pedophile started preaching from his Hira rock in 610, he had to talk the talk of tolerance and pluralism because he was utterly powerless--just another cult yahoo. Sura 9:5 came about because at the time it was written (likely circa 622 C.E.), he had amassed a legion of booty-seekers in Medina and now had the ability to take over all of Arabia by force. He didn't need to kiss-up to any of the authorities at this stage.
If it were speaking of all the pagans, it would just say "pagans", without 'the' preceding it.
Baloney, Mohammed himself considered even Jews and Christians to be pagans; Mohammed taught that Jews "worship Ezra" and that we Christians worship "Jesus, Mary, and Allah". I am sure that even you will admit that that is not what the Trinity actually is. Thus, the question is why an all-powerful Allah would not accurately know what the idolaters believe and relay it to his "prophet".
So verses 1-4 say to give them four months to stop the aggression, and if they continue, 9:5 says to fight them wherever you find them.
I believe it was the followers of your faith that broke the truce with the Jews of Quraysh and beheaded some 700 of them.
And then 9:6 says "but if they seek your protection, offer them protection until fighting has ceased".
Meaning they recite the shahada to your satisfaction and convert to Islam.
Second, where did you get it is the most holy verse in the Qur'an? It is not. Muslims consider the whole Qur'an holy, but if you mean the "most rewarded verse" to recite, it would be ayat al-kursi.
http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/swordverse.htm
What do you mean by four forms?
http://www.answering-islam.org/Gilchrist/Jam/chap3.html
Furthermore, there is a science to Hadith. Many were made up, and so Islamic scholars study them, and determin which seem valid and which do not, based on who transmitted them, when they were written down, etc. as well as whether or not they comply with Islamic beliefs.
Yeah, it is indeed difficult sifting through hundreds of years of chicken scratches on camel bones, rocks, and pieces of palm leaves. One wonders why Allah would transmit his almighty word, carved permanently onto uncreated tablets in paradise, using such a humble medium.
Nice try. Now go do your da'wah elsewhere.
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I support our state of Israel. I've lived there for almost 10 years as well. That being said, I don't agree with everything that Israel does, and I disagree with some of its policies.
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I object to this pagan stuff being posted on a Jewish website. As a Jew we are commanded not to use the names of foreign G-ds or else suffer the curses written in Torah. There is no need for this discussion here. I feel offended even reading this stuff. I dont come here to learn about idol worship like Islam.
Islam was placed in the world in order to act as the Satan, the great deceiver and the ultimate prosecutor in the heavenly tribunal. What the Jews must do is remove Satan from before our eyes so we can perceive Hashems divine presence. On the day of judgement the Muslims will pay for their sin. Only those who gave up the idol worship, praying to the false prophet, will die with all the rest of sin.
How is Islam an idolatrous religion? Muslims are one of the few peoples on Earth that follow the Noachide laws.
You're joking, right? I hope you are, otherwise I don't have much hope for you. Let's take a look at how the muslims observe the Noahide laws. This list is from wikipedia. Let's take a look at them one by one.
Prohibition of Idolatry: You shall not have any idols before God.
Actually: The muslim god is a false type of moon god.
Prohibition of Murder: You shall not murder. (Genesis 9:6)
Actually: Muslims murder all the time, especially non-muslims.
Prohibition of Theft: You shall not steal.
What do you call the jizya?
Prohibition of Sexual Promiscuity: You shall not commit any of a series of sexual prohibitions, which include adultery, incest, bestiality and male homosexual anal intercourse.
Actually: The ayatollah (ym"sh) condoned pedophilia. There certainly are sex crimes in islamic countries, the least of which is multiple partners. The Albanian muslims rule the illegal sex trade.
Prohibition of Blasphemy: You shall not blaspheme God's name.
Actually: I am aware of some of the more profane expressions in arabic which do precisely that. I won't repeat them.
Dietary Law: Do not eat flesh taken from an animal while it is still alive. (Genesis 9:4)
Actually: I've seen arab rioters in Gaza eating the flesh of murdered Jewish soldiers.
Requirement to have just Laws: You shall set up an effective judiciary to enforce the preceding six laws fairly.
Actually: this last point is so laughable, that I won't even dignify it with a response. All I will ask you is where are they?
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I object to this pagan stuff being posted on a Jewish website. As a Jew we are commanded not to use the names of foreign G-ds or else suffer the curses written in Torah. There is no need for this discussion here. I feel offended even reading this stuff. I dont come here to learn about idol worship like Islam.
Islam was placed in the world in order to act as the Satan, the great deceiver and the ultimate prosecutor in the heavenly tribunal. What the Jews must do is remove Satan from before our eyes so we can perceive Hashems divine presence. On the day of judgement the Muslims will pay for their sin. Only those who gave up the idol worship, praying to the false prophet, will die with all the rest of sin.
How is Islam an idolatrous religion? Muslims are one of the few peoples on Earth that follow the Noachide laws.
Moslems are Satan's army. The Cult of Death and Destruction or..The Religion of Piece - arms, legs, hands, heads, torsos, tounges, all cut off or blown to bits and pieces. Do you agree with this most accurate description of Islam?
This is exactly what I'm trying to show-- so many of you JTFers have no substance for your beliefs, you just believe these hateful thoughts without any basis for believing so. You need to learn about a religion before you go out bashing it like you are doing.
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I support our state of Israel. I've lived there for almost 10 years as well. That being said, I don't agree with everything that Israel does, and I disagree with some of its policies.
So ZHM, explain to us exactly how you support Israel. Do you think Israel should retreat to pre-1967 borders? Do you think Israel is guilty of war crimes against the Hamastinians?
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I object to this pagan stuff being posted on a Jewish website. As a Jew we are commanded not to use the names of foreign G-ds or else suffer the curses written in Torah. There is no need for this discussion here. I feel offended even reading this stuff. I dont come here to learn about idol worship like Islam.
Islam was placed in the world in order to act as the Satan, the great deceiver and the ultimate prosecutor in the heavenly tribunal. What the Jews must do is remove Satan from before our eyes so we can perceive Hashems divine presence. On the day of judgement the Muslims will pay for their sin. Only those who gave up the idol worship, praying to the false prophet, will die with all the rest of sin.
How is Islam an idolatrous religion? Muslims are one of the few peoples on Earth that follow the Noachide laws.
You think that the Muslims keep the laws of Noach? How about "Thou shall not kill"?
I dont think that most Muslims pray to Hashem, they are praying to the moon god.
There is nothing good about the religion of Ishmael. He was a wild son of Abraham who didn't really learn the ways of G-d. G-d admired Abrahams compassion, not his cruelty. Ishmael is a cruel person to consider a patriarch. I believe that Islam is a derivative religion begotten by a perverted false prophet who murdered and plundered for his own personal wealth.
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I object to this pagan stuff being posted on a Jewish website. As a Jew we are commanded not to use the names of foreign G-ds or else suffer the curses written in Torah. There is no need for this discussion here. I feel offended even reading this stuff. I dont come here to learn about idol worship like Islam.
Islam was placed in the world in order to act as the Satan, the great deceiver and the ultimate prosecutor in the heavenly tribunal. What the Jews must do is remove Satan from before our eyes so we can perceive Hashems divine presence. On the day of judgement the Muslims will pay for their sin. Only those who gave up the idol worship, praying to the false prophet, will die with all the rest of sin.
How is Islam an idolatrous religion? Muslims are one of the few peoples on Earth that follow the Noachide laws.
Moslems are Satan's army. The Cult of Death and Destruction or..The Religion of Piece - arms, legs, hands, heads, torsos, tounges, all cut off or blown to bits and pieces. Do you agree with this most accurate description of Islam?
This is exactly what I'm trying to show-- so many of you JTFers have no substance for your beliefs, you just believe these hateful thoughts without any basis for believing so. You need to learn about a religion before you go out bashing it like you are doing.
You haven't responded to my points. Instead you defame our movement. Can't you do better than that?
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ZachorHamasvos, care to explain why your pure "holy book", which abides by all the Noachide Laws, describes the following?
Ageless youths will circulate among them, serving them.Seeing them, you would think them scattered pearls.
And would you care to explain why you only consider homosexual behavior to really be "homosexual" if it is receptive?
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I object to this pagan stuff being posted on a Jewish website. As a Jew we are commanded not to use the names of foreign G-ds or else suffer the curses written in Torah. There is no need for this discussion here. I feel offended even reading this stuff. I dont come here to learn about idol worship like Islam.
Islam was placed in the world in order to act as the Satan, the great deceiver and the ultimate prosecutor in the heavenly tribunal. What the Jews must do is remove Satan from before our eyes so we can perceive Hashems divine presence. On the day of judgement the Muslims will pay for their sin. Only those who gave up the idol worship, praying to the false prophet, will die with all the rest of sin.
How is Islam an idolatrous religion? Muslims are one of the few peoples on Earth that follow the Noachide laws.
Moslems are Satan's army. The Cult of Death and Destruction or..The Religion of Piece - arms, legs, hands, heads, torsos, tounges, all cut off or blown to bits and pieces. Do you agree with this most accurate description of Islam?
This is exactly what I'm trying to show-- so many of you JTFers have no substance for your beliefs, you just believe these hateful thoughts without any basis for believing so. You need to learn about a religion before you go out bashing it like you are doing.
You haven't responded to my points. Instead you defame our movement. Can't you do better than that?
Yes, this troll either really is caught up in this craziness or else he is plain evil. Nobody in their right mind would even consider Islam a good thing. These people are only out to kill us. We will not be fooled by their lies and deceit.
I think this dude should move on or be banned soon. I don't have much stomach for those who think Islam is just another innocent religion... This is absolute deceit...
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I object to this pagan stuff being posted on a Jewish website. As a Jew we are commanded not to use the names of foreign G-ds or else suffer the curses written in Torah. There is no need for this discussion here. I feel offended even reading this stuff. I dont come here to learn about idol worship like Islam.
Islam was placed in the world in order to act as the Satan, the great deceiver and the ultimate prosecutor in the heavenly tribunal. What the Jews must do is remove Satan from before our eyes so we can perceive Hashems divine presence. On the day of judgement the Muslims will pay for their sin. Only those who gave up the idol worship, praying to the false prophet, will die with all the rest of sin.
How is Islam an idolatrous religion? Muslims are one of the few peoples on Earth that follow the Noachide laws.
Moslems are Satan's army. The Cult of Death and Destruction or..The Religion of Piece - arms, legs, hands, heads, torsos, tounges, all cut off or blown to bits and pieces. Do you agree with this most accurate description of Islam?
This is exactly what I'm trying to show-- so many of you JTFers have no substance for your beliefs, you just believe these hateful thoughts without any basis for believing so. You need to learn about a religion before you go out bashing it like you are doing.
Death to Islam :nuke: and may Piss and Pigs guts be upon your so called Prophet Mohamed !
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I can't stay up to waste my time with this person. Good night.
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ZachorHamasvos, care to explain why your pure "holy book", which abides by all the Noachide Laws, describes the following?
Ageless youths will circulate among them, serving them.Seeing them, you would think them scattered pearls.
And would you care to explain why you only consider homosexual behavior to really be "homosexual" if it is receptive?
I honestly do not have a clue what this verse means and what you are talking about. In Islam, homosexuality and homosexual sex is a huge sin.
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Qur'an:8:7 "Al-ah wished to confirm the truth by His words: 'Wipe the infidels out to the last.'"
The Koran inspires terrorism. More importantly, this is enforced in the Hadith, Sira, and Tarikh, all of which Muslims accept.
The Hadith records that Mohammed raped countless Jewish women, and names 3. The Koran says that sufficient for the Jew is the "flaming fire!"
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I honestly do not have a clue what this verse means and what you are talking about. In Islam, homosexuality and homosexual sex is a huge sin.
Right; that's why the Koranic "punishment" for sodomy is an absurd slap on the wrist (Sura 4:16), whereas the punishment for heterosexual immorality is essentially death (Suras 4:16 and 24:2).
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Qur'an:8:7 "Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: 'Wipe the infidels out to the last.'"
The Koran inspires terrorism. More importantly, this is enforced in the Hadith, Sira, and Tarikh, all of which Muslims accept.
The Hadith records that Mohammed raped countless Jewish women, and names 3. The Koran says that sufficient for the Jew is the "flaming fire!"
First off, that is not what 8:7 says.
Second, where do you see that he raped countless Jewish women? Who are the three women that he names? This is an outright lie.
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And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess.
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According to Muslims, punishment in Islam is up to God in the afterlife unless it is in public (i.e. 4 witnesses) and the punishment of homosexual sex is the same as adultery, since male+and female relationships are not accepted as marriage.
For all the hate that you guys spew towards the Nazi Muslims, I find the lack of knowledge on the actual religion that you are constantly bashing to be striking.
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And if you want to read about the punishment for adultery- read sura an-nur. I wont do your homework for you.
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Are you hereby denying that the Qur'an is the infallible and final revelation of your gd?
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And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess.
it's not like that. You can't just have sex with them. You can marry a slave.
"If any of you have not the means wherewith to wed free believing women, they may wed believing girls from among those whom your right hands possess: And Allah hath full knowledge about your faith. Ye are one from another: Wed them with the leave of their owners, and give them their dowers, according to what is reasonable: They should be chaste, not lustful, nor taking paramours: when they are taken in wedlock, if they fall into shame, their punishment is half that for free women. This (permission) is for those among you who fear sin; but it is better for you that ye practise self-restraint. And Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. "
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And where exactly is the slave's consent mentioned in the Qur'an and Hadiths?
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Are you hereby denying that the Qur'an is the infallible and final revelation of your gd?
I'm a Jew, not a Muslim, but I find it amazing at how much hate you guys have for a religion that you barely know anything about, other than what you've read on JihadWatch or in Robert Spencer books.
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And I find it amazing that a Jew, as self-hating as he may be, would have an exhaustive array of the same kind of pre-fab answers prepared regarding the scriptures of Islam as are in use by da'wah apologists.
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So ZachorHamasvos, I'd like to see your best attempt to sell us on the Judas-crucified-in-the-place-of-Issa theory I know you subscribe to (Sura 4:157).
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And where exactly is the slave's consent mentioned in the Qur'an and Hadiths?
Hadith:
"A [girl who was not married] came to the Messenger of God and mentioned that her father had married her against her will, so the Prophet allowed her to exercise her choice." (Abu Da'ud, on the authority of Ibn 'Abbas)
Another hadith:
"A woman without a husband (or divorced or a widow) must not be married until she is consulted, and a virgin must not be married until her permission is sought. They asked the Prophet of Allah (may peace be upon him): How her (virgin's) consent can be solicited? He (the Holy Prophet) said: That she keeps silence. (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book of Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Book 008, Number 3303)"
And this is frmo the Quran:
"O ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should ye treat them with harshness, that ye may take away part of the dower [money given by the husband to the wife for the marriage contract] ye have given them, except where they have been guilty of open lewdness; on the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and God brings about through it a great deal of good. (Quran, 4:19)"
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Sounds nice until you consider that leaving the home without male supervision counts as "lewdness".
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Sounds nice until you consider that leaving the home without male supervision counts as "lewdness".
Thats not true. Lewdness would be considered sleeping with other men. Women are allowed to leave the house without a man. They only cannot travel for the length of a night and a day without a man or a mans permission. Wrong again!
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Are you hereby denying that the Qur'an is the infallible and final revelation of your gd?
I'm a Jew, not a Muslim, but I find it amazing at how much hate you guys have for a religion that you barely know anything about, other than what you've read on JihadWatch or in Robert Spencer books.
You have got to be kidding. Anyone who supports a religion that spawns terrorists by the millions, approves the beheading of its women for "misbehaving" and has millions of adherents that praise hitler for his treatment of Jews is either crazy or evil.
You're thinking is really convoluted. You are either a peace not troll or a quaranimal.
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They only cannot travel for the length of a night and a day without a man or a mans permission. Wrong again!
And this is enlightened and kind how?
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Why would any Jew want to anger his G-d, Hashem who promised him the land and to be with him in distress? Do you know that by studying this avodah zarah you are forfeiting your heritage? Apparently you don't care. I rebuke you for your study of a foreign G-d. You think I don't know about Islam yet I am a victim of its venom. I will never cease to fight against a religion which seeks to kill me and my family. Regardless of the 'religious' drivel which you spout. Judaism is a proud and self sustaining belief which is backed by the acts of G-d.
You should join another forum if you look to get along with people. There is no way I will ever tell you that Islam is peaceful or a religion based on G-ds law.
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'Honor' killings are common in all tribal regions of the world. There are far more in Africa and South America than Muslim areas of Asia. Where in the Qur'an does it give permission to cut off one's wife's head? Maybe SOME do it. But it is not supported by the majority of Muslims. Just as you guys are racists, and you are not supported by the majority of Jews.
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'Honor' killings are common in all tribal regions of the world. There are far more in Africa and South America than Muslim areas of Asia. Where in the Qur'an does it give permission to cut off one's wife's head? Maybe SOME do it. But it is not supported by the majority of Muslims. Just as you guys are racists, and you are not supported by the majority of Jews.
Hah... Who is the racist here? You come here and make accusations.. You do not know the makeup of the JTF members. There is a diverse array of people from all walks of life... Luckily none of them are Islamic because we don't like that kind around here.
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Why would any Jew want to anger his G-d, Hashem who promised him the land and to be with him in distress? Do you know that by studying this avodah zarah you are forfeiting your heritage? Apparently you don't care. I rebuke you for your study of a foreign G-d. You think I don't know about Islam yet I am a victim of its venom. I will never cease to fight against a religion which seeks to kill me and my family. Regardless of the 'religious' drivel which you spout. Judaism is a proud and self sustaining belief which is backed by the acts of G-d.
You should join another forum if you look to get along with people. There is no way I will ever tell you that Islam is peaceful or a religion based on G-ds law.
Hey, I was the one that was challenged here. In order to understand a religious people you have to understand their religion. As you say, you all will not look into Islam other than the propaganda books that you read, whether it is out of ignorance or whether it is becuase you dont want to "anger" Hashem by the study of a foreign God. You all should not be spouting such hatred if you don't know about other religions.
My point is proven. Goodnight.
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Qur'an:8:7 "Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: 'Wipe the infidels out to the last.'"
The Koran inspires terrorism. More importantly, this is enforced in the Hadith, Sira, and Tarikh, all of which Muslims accept.
The Hadith records that Mohammed raped countless Jewish women, and names 3. The Koran says that sufficient for the Jew is the "flaming fire!"
First off, that is not what 8:7 says.
Second, where do you see that he raped countless Jewish women? Who are the three women that he names? This is an outright lie.
Owned.
You outright lied. It DOES say that in Sura 8:7! Its obvious that you aren't here for debate, and are here for propaganda purposes. Well the jokes on you! We KNOW what Islam is, because we see it with our own eyes, and confirmed it by the words of Mohammed.
And here are the Hadith and Tarikh verses that give the names of the Jewish women he raped.
Tabari VIII:38 "The Prophet selected for himself from among the Jewish women of the Qurayza, Rayhanah bt. Amr. She became his concubine. When he predeceased her, she was still in his possession. When the Messenger of Al-ah took her as a captive, she showed herself averse to Islam and insisted on Judaism."
Bukhari:V4B52N143 V5B59N523 "When we reached Khaybar, Muhammad said that Allah had enabled him to conquer them. It was then that the beauty of Safiyah was described to him. Her husband had been killed, so Allah's Apostle selected her for himself. He took her along with him till we reached a place called Sad where her menses were over and he took her for his wife, consummating his marriage to her, and forcing her to wear the veil.'"
The last of the named woman was Juwayriyyah, but I'm not 100% on that. Regardless, even a single rape of a Jewish woman is enough to wish hellfire on this beast.
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Why would any Jew want to anger his G-d, Hashem who promised him the land and to be with him in distress? Do you know that by studying this avodah zarah you are forfeiting your heritage? Apparently you don't care. I rebuke you for your study of a foreign G-d. You think I don't know about Islam yet I am a victim of its venom. I will never cease to fight against a religion which seeks to kill me and my family. Regardless of the 'religious' drivel which you spout. Judaism is a proud and self sustaining belief which is backed by the acts of G-d.
You should join another forum if you look to get along with people. There is no way I will ever tell you that Islam is peaceful or a religion based on G-ds law.
Hey, I was the one that was challenged here. In order to understand a religious people you have to understand their religion. As you say, you all will not look into Islam other than the propaganda books that you read, whether it is out of ignorance or whether it is becuase you dont want to "anger" Hashem by the study of a foreign G-d. You all should not be spouting such hatred if you don't know about other religions.
My point is proven. Goodnight.
If Islam was so peaceful why did Islamic fanatics fly planes into buildings, killing my brother? If Islam was so peaceful why do they constantly try to kill Jews? There is no truth in what you say. You come here to look for attention like a child. Islam is pure evil and you are blind as a bat. I hope you come back and realize the mistake which you made. Maybe you will be like Daniel Pearl who did not fear the enemy, and had his head cut off because he was a Jew. But you will not learn. Do you think we will mourn you if you should die in their hands? At this point you have been warned.
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'Honor' killings are common in all tribal regions of the world. There are far more in Africa and South America than Muslim areas of Asia. Where in the Qur'an does it give permission to cut off one's wife's head? Maybe SOME do it. But it is not supported by the majority of Muslims. Just as you guys are racists, and you are not supported by the majority of Jews.
I guess you haven't read the polls that said the majority of Israelis want the Muslims out of Israel?
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I have no need to study another religion. Judaism is good enough for me. It is Islam which is sticking its sword against my throat, not the other way around.
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You can look at the current. However, look at history? Where did Yehudim live best? In the Islamic world. Where was the only place where there were more jews after the holocaust than before, in Europe? Muslim Albania. Why? Because so many Muslims welcomed Jews with open arms.
This is not theory. I have many Muslim friends, and I've been to the Middle east and what you seem to think of Muslims and Islam is far from truth!
Sigh.
Another dimwit telling Jews how great life under Muslim rule was.
I'm very touched that he has many Muslim friends. He's been to the Mideast and JTF's perception of Islam and Muslims is far from the truth.
And this is not theory. This is reality. Uh huh.
Well, I have a simple test and a challenge that will easily determine what the true reality is and what is merely the mindless babbling of an Islamist propagandist.
Put a kippah on and walk through Ramallah.
We here at JTF will be anxiously awaiting the results of this reality check.
Muck DeFuslims.
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In every country the muslims live in they bring abomination and pain:
Honor Killings
Beheadings
Terrorism
Extremism
Mohamudd Cartoon violence
Van Gough Murder
Fatwahs on Artists and Authors
"Death to Jews" Mosque Sermons
Domestic Violence against multiple wives
Im sure I forgot some...
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Besides dude, what is your angle? That by understanding them you will change their opinions? That they will recognize Israel? That they will stop trying to kill us? When you believe that you have finally flipped your lid..
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'Honor' killings are common in all tribal regions of the world. There are far more in Africa and South America than Muslim areas of Asia.
I know for sure it IS common among so-called "Israeli Arabs" and "Palestinians". Just read the news.
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cant believe we have got a paedophile defender on this forum :::D
There is no such thing as Islam, it is actually Muhammadism, an illiterate guy who favored killing and looting those who do not believe in his policies.
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I object to this pagan stuff being posted on a Jewish website. As a Jew we are commanded not to use the names of foreign G-ds or else suffer the curses written in Torah. There is no need for this discussion here. I feel offended even reading this stuff. I dont come here to learn about idol worship like Islam.
Islam was placed in the world in order to act as the Satan, the great deceiver and the ultimate prosecutor in the heavenly tribunal. What the Jews must do is remove Satan from before our eyes so we can perceive Hashems divine presence. On the day of judgement the Muslims will pay for their sin. Only those who gave up the idol worship, praying to the false prophet, will die with all the rest of sin.
How is Islam an idolatrous religion? Muslims are one of the few peoples on Earth that follow the Noachide laws.
Moslems are Satan's army. The Cult of Death and Destruction or..The Religion of Piece - arms, legs, hands, heads, torsos, tounges, all cut off or blown to bits and pieces. Do you agree with this most accurate description of Islam?
This is exactly what I'm trying to show-- so many of you JTFers have no substance for your beliefs, you just believe these hateful thoughts without any basis for believing so. You need to learn about a religion before you go out bashing it like you are doing.
THIS, is the CULT OF DEATH that YOU are sticking up for;
O Prophet! Make war against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be merciless against them. Their home is hell, an evil refuge indeed." Koran, 9:73
"When you meet the unbelievers in jihad, chop off their heads. And when you have brought them low, bind your prisoners rigorously. Then set them free or take ransom from them until the war is ended." (Koran, 47:4)
"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and his messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be to be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and genitals cut off, or to be expelled out of the land. Such will be their humiliation in the world, and in the next world they will face an awful horror." (Koran, 5:33-34)
"When we decide to destroy a population, we send a definite order to them who have the good things in life and yet sin. So that Allah's word is proven true against them, then we destroy them utterly." (Koran, 17:16-17)
"In order that Allah may separate the pure from the impure, put all the impure ones one on top of another in a heap and cast them into hell. They will have been the ones to have lost." (Koran, 8:37)
"How many were the populations we utterly destroyed because of their sins, setting up in their place other peoples." (Koran, 21:11)
"Remember Allah inspired the angels: I am with you. Give firmness to the believers. I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: you smite them above their necks and smite all their fingertips off of them." (Koran, 8:12)
Women are your fields. Plow them as you wish (Koran 2:223)
After the sacred months have passed, kill all of the unbelievers wherever you find them, and prepare for them ambush. Koran (9:5)
Followers must fight the unbelievers until no other religion except Islam is left (Quran 2: 193)
Mohammed asked some women, "Isn't the witness of a woman equal to half that of a man?" The women said, "yes," He said, "This is because of the deficiency of the woman's mind. " Koran 3:826
Islamic prayer in Yemen Oh Allah destroy the Jews and their followers and the Christians and their followers. Oh Allah, destroy the ground under their feet, instill fear in their hearts and freeze the blood in their veins.
Followers must fight the unbelievers until no other religion except Islam is left (Quran 2: 193)
[9.14] Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace, and assist you against them and heal the hearts of a believing people.
Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends. They are friends with one another. Whoever of you seeks their friendship shall become one of their number. Allah does not guide the wrongdoers. (Koran 5:51)
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the last day, nor hold that forbidden which has been forbidden by Allah and his messenger nor acknowledge the religion of truth of the people of the Book until they pay the jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves humiliated. (Koran 9:29)
The Jews call Uzair a "son of Allah" and the Christians call Jesus the "son of Allah." That is a saying from their mouth. They say what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them! How they are deluded away from the truth! (Koran 9:30)
And say to the believing women that they cast down their eyes ... and let them wear their veils to their bosoms, and not display their ornaments except to their husbands, fathers, fathers-in-law, sons, stepsons, brothers, nephews, maidservants, slave women and male slaves not having need. (Koran 24:31)
There they shall exchange, one with another, a loving cup free of frivolity, free of all taint of ill. Round about them will serve, devoted to them, handsome boys as well-guarded pearls. They will advance to each other, engaging in mutual inquiry. (Koran 52:23-25)
Those who resist Allah and his messenger will be turned into dust and the unbelievers will have a humiliating penalty. (Koran 58:5)
Say to the infidels that if they desist from their unbelief, what is now past shall be forgiven them; but if they return to it, they have already before them the doom of the ancients! Fight then against them till strife be at an end, and all religion will be of Allah. (Koran 8:38-39)
Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when you should be the rulers. For Allah is with you, and will never put you in loss for your deeds.. (Koran 47:35)
Seize them and slay them wherever you find them, and in any case take no friends or helpers from their ranks. (Koran 4:89)
O you people of the Book! Believe in what we have now sent down, fulfilling that which is with you, before we destroy some of your leaders and turn them on their
Keep taking UP for the MURDERERS or SUBMIT to allah. OR get OUT.
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Are you hereby denying that the Qur'an is the infallible and final revelation of your gd?
I'm a Jew, not a Muslim, but I find it amazing at how much hate you guys have for a religion that you barely know anything about, other than what you've read on JihadWatch or in Robert Spencer books.
You are as Jewish as Mickey Mouse. No Jew sticks up for Islam unless they are out of their minds completely.
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I think he was banned
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You can look at the current. However, look at history? Where did Yehudim live best? In the Islamic world.
This is a flagrant distortion.
Furthermore, one need look no further than the Koran itself which documents the troops under Muhammad slaughtering Jewish tribes of the Arabian peninsula for refusing to accept the muhammadan herecy or the status of muhammad as a prophet. For refusing to accept falsehood and instead clinging to the faith of their forefathers, these Jewish tribes were unceremoniously raped, pillaged, expelled, and murdered. And this was a recurring pattern in the history of Islam despite certain periods of respite when the Moslem rulers were either a) more moderate in observance of Muslim religion or b) saw the Jews as useful to them and for selfish purposes kept them a discriminated against minority dhimmi rather than imposing a killed/expelled/forced to convert - destruction. But don't lie to us and say that these certain periods classified the entirety of Muslim history and Muzzie-Jewish relations. Furthermore, do not insult our intelligence by suggesting that these periods of respite (such as the golden age of Spain) were a walk in the park for the Jews under Muslim domination (despite the fact that in many cases, yes, the persecution wasn't AS BAD as being burned at the stake by medieval european christians - but ask Sephardic Jews what it was like to live even with these "tolerant" Muslims - it was no party). And despite certain periods of respite, the Islamic fanaticism has a long history and was no less atrocious in treatment of Jews than European antisemites.
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How is Islam an idolatrous religion? Muslims are one of the few peoples on Earth that follow the Noachide laws.
That's funny. I didn't know murder was alright in the Noachide laws.
You are a typical leftist. You think if we are "nice" to people in a murderous death cult, that the love fairy will show up and make everything better. The problem with your belief is that you refuse to believe there can be a barbaric people stuck in the dark ages who want you dead. You can't accept reality because it doesn't fit in what you "wish" the world was.
Do you forget about the suicide bombers (some who are women and children), the rockets, hamas (who kill their own people), fatah (which means "conquest"), the "consititution" of the muslims in Israel who wish to drive the Jews into the ocean, the beheadings, the child abuse when they cut the clitoris off their little girls, the violence show towards their multiple wives, the laws that prevent women from voting or traveling, the associations with nazism like when the mufti visited hitler and the nazi salute that hamas and fatah seem to love, how they tried to wipe us off the map over and over again in multiple wars, how they teach their kids the "protocols of the elders of zion" and to wage war against the "Zionist entity" in school while most leave school with a 5th grade level education, and how they amass by the tens of thousands while chanting "death to America... death to Israel"?
Are you blind or do you love islam more than the Jewish people? And you think you are so smart.
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You can look at the current. However, look at history? Where did Yehudim live best? In the Islamic world. Where was the only place where there were more jews after the holocaust than before, in Europe? Muslim Albania. Why? Because so many Muslims welcomed Jews with open arms. This is not theory. I have many Muslim friends, and I've been to the Middle east and what you seem to think of Muslims and Islam is far from truth!
LOL at the above comment!! :::D
This loser calling himself "ZachorHamitzvos" is probably an Albanian muslim Nazi masquerading as a self-hating liberal/leftist Jew. Many Albanians spread their "we saved the Jews from the Nazis during the Holocaust!" baloney to numerous unsuspecting and historically ignorant liberal/leftist Jews on internet discussion forums. Baruch Hashem, JTF is NOT one of these historically ignorant leftist forums!
Albanian prime minister Mustafa Kruja, in a June, 1942 speech made in Kosovo, [at that time part of a fascist Greater Albania] then called the “New Albania”, stated:
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“The Serbian population of Kosovo should be removed as soon as possible.All indigenous Serbs should be qualified as colonists and as such, via the Albanian and Italian government, be sent to concentration camps in Albania. Serbian settlers should be killed.”
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In the US “Philadelphia Bulletin” newspaper article entitled
“On the Wrong Side in Kosovo” by Joseph Puder of the Interfaith Taskforce for America and Israel, Puder wrote:
“The [Albanian] “Skanderbeg” SS division.partook in the rounding up of Jews who were sent to their death in Bergen Belsen and other Nazi death camps. Bedri Pejjani, a Kosovo Muslim was appointed by the Nazis to rule occupied Kosovo and set out to establish a greater Islamic state in the region with the blessing and support of Haj Amin al-Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem and Hitler’s protégé and friend.”
The Albanian government and Albanian authorities took an active part in the extermination of Albanian Jews: In June, 1943, the Albanian police chief suggested the jailing of certain Jews:
"According to our investigation the Jews listed below are dangerous because they are propaganderizing [sic] against the Axis (Rome-Berlin) and they want to organize and hold meetings. We think these people should be taken away from here as soon as possible to one of the concentration fields, because their staying here could be dangerous to the regime."
http://serbianna.com/blogs/savich/?p=34
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In a July, 1944 report by US intelligence, the OSS, on Albania entitled Political and Internal Conditions, it was reported that "Xhafer Deva, Rexhep Mitrovic[a] and Midhat Frasheri are with the Germans. … Anti-semitic measures are being adopted now".
A captured SS document revealed that Deva had been responsible for the deportation of Jews, Communists and partisans to extermination camps as well as for punitive raids by the SS Skanderbeg Division. The small mountain territory had few Jews, so relatively few were captured and killed. This proves that the Albanian government instituted anti-Semitic measures and did deport Albanian Jews to the death camps.
Let’s not confuse the handful of Jews living in Albania [NOT Kosovo] who escaped the Holocaust due to Italian military rule (the Italian troops did not enforce Hitler’s “Final Solution” against the Jews the way German troops did).
So the escape of Albania’s small Jewish population from the Holocaust had more to do with the Italian troops being in command of Albania from 1939 to 1943 and less to do with any noble love for Jews by the Albanians. As historian Carl K. Savich has correctly pointed out:
“During the Italian occupation, they [Jews] were able to disperse and blend in the general population. When Germany occupied Albania in 1943, the Jewish population was already beyond reach.”
http://www.serbianna.com/columns/savich/060.shtml
http://serbianna.com/blogs/savich/?p=34
http://4international.wordpress.com/2008/02/12/zero-jews-in-kosovo-today/
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Are you hereby denying that the Qur'an is the infallible and final revelation of your gd?
I'm a Jew, not a Muslim, but I find it amazing at how much hate you guys have for a religion that you barely know anything about, other than what you've read on JihadWatch or in Robert Spencer books.
Wow. You ARE right. How could we have been so mistaken? It's so clear now. No Muslim ever did anything bad. How come we missed this? No Muslim ever killed. Ever. Wow. It took me so long to figure this out. This is the most peaceful religion! No murder, theft, or unjust punishment of ANY sort. The perfect religion. The Christians and the Jews and every other religion is Nazism. The Muslims are the holiest, best people. THEY are the peaceful ones. I can't believe I didn't see this before. If not for you and your unparalleled brilliance, I never would have see how incredible Islam was. I was so ignorant. Praise to ALLAH! ALLAH AKBAR! ZachorHamitzvos, you will definitely merit Allah, and Muhammed, and 72 virgins. I can't believe you taught me suicide bombings never existed, that they are just a figment of my imagnination. You taught me no Muslim EVER killed ANYBODY. Praise to you, my friend. You made it so clear. Thank you, my friend. Thank you for teaching me the Koran is innocent, holy, and perfect and that every Muslim is perfect. MOST OF ALL thanks to you, my friend, for showing me that even though you have Downs Sydrome, you can point out the perfection and peaceful habits of Islam. Even though you clearly have incestual roots and a vagina for a brain, you showed me the right way of Islam. You, vagina-brain, merit Allah and 72 virgins. But one question, vagina-brain, how can you get 72 virgins without killing? Teach me, oh father, vagina-brain. Teach me the values of Islam and how to attain 72 virgins without murdering. NO MUSLIM EVER KILLED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TEACH ME VAGINA BRAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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It is a myth that Jews lived peacefully among muslimes. There are plenty of sources describing muslim pogroms, forced conversions, murder, rapes and hostage taking. Heck, quran mentiones some of the earlier ones.
Another myth that muslimes are not responsible for the Holocaust - they are directly responsible for it. Anyone with a half a brain knows it.
This muslime apologist is either a self-hating pseudo intellectual kike or a quaranimal.
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OK, so ZH, you are saying that Muslims have just been given a bad name and Islam has the same stuff written as the Disneyworld employees handbook. I'm sure you would say the Koran says, "Most of all, go out and have fun out there!"
Somehow, there are just millions and millions of Muslims who have gone crazy and are quoting things out of context or acting in an unIslamic way. Lets pretend that the only extreme Muslims were all the Al Qaeda groups and the "extreme" Jews were in JTF. Lets then look at some guy in Belize and see which one is a threat to him. Hmmm, the Jews who want Israel back to its true borders and for Jews to live in a Jewish, religious state, or Al Qaeda, which wants worlwide dominance and wants all dhimmis to pay a tax to the Muslim government as a 2nd class citizen at the very least!!! They most probably will find a few people who do not want to be ruled by Islam and then they can go and find a reason kill millions of infidels. How can you even compare the two unless you are a Muslim?
I have heard directly from Muslims that Jews (who do not submit to Islam) will be killed in the end of days. They say that Allah will go and have the trees and rocks tell the Muslims, "There is a Jew behind me, come and kill him." I'm sure you think that means kill was taken out of context if you write it backwards and cut the word in half, putting it in another sentence. Funny thing is that Muslim imams do not agree with that at all.
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You can look at the current. However, look at history? Where did Yehudim live best? In the Islamic world. Where was the only place where there were more jews after the holocaust than before, in Europe? Muslim Albania. Why? Because so many Muslims welcomed Jews with open arms.
This is not theory. I have many Muslim friends, and I've been to the Middle east and what you seem to think of Muslims and Islam is far from truth!
I recommend that you all read "Among the Righteous" by Robert Satloff, about forgotten heroes during the holocaust. Very interesting and eye-opening.
Jews have suffered persecution from many people throughout history but the Nazis today are the Muslims. How can you ignore Islam calling Christians and Jews apes and pigs? How can you ignore that the "prophet" started a campaign of conquering all non Muslim lands and the concept of worldwide Islam? Minus a couple Flipino Islands, Islam was spread through conquest and killing. Listen to real, Saudi Islamic scholars, not some professor who picks out the semi human sounding passages. I love how Muslims are so proud of "to free a slave is the most righteos thing." It still allows and promotes slavery though!
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Great debate.
I like you very much my brave JTF-fellows!
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Great debate.
I like you very much my brave JTF-fellows!
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Pheasant, I think this Moslem ran away. I doubt if he was actually Jewish. If he was then he is a traitor.
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Great debate.
I like you very much my brave JTF-fellows!
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Pheasant, I think this Moslem ran away. I doubt if he was actually Jewish. If he was then he is a traitor.
I really like the high level of this debate.
C.F. hit him hard and the other members did it too.
If I compare it with the discussion before one year I am really proud of my fellow JTf members.
We advanced a lot. :)
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Great debate.
I like you very much my brave JTF-fellows!
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Pheasant, I think this Moslem ran away. I doubt if he was actually Jewish. If he was then he is a traitor.
I really like the high level of this debate.
C.F. hit him hard and the other members did it too.
If I compare it with the discussion before one year I am really proud of my fellow JTf members.
We advanced a lot. :)
Everyone here on the Forum is tough! I like that.
Shalom - Dox : )