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Let's see how much you guys know...
does the governement print it and send it in the mail to people or what?
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Let's see how much you guys know...
does the governement print it and send it in the mail to people or what?
Of course.... The Jews make it and distribute it to the poor. Of course we add a little blood from Christian children first in order to make it Kosher...
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Let's see how much you guys know...
does the governement print it and send it in the mail to people or what?
Of course.... The Jews make it and distribute it to the poor. Of course we add a little blood from Christian children first in order to make it Kosher...
ok that's one theory. anyone else?
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The government cannot put money into circulation because the Jews collect the money through the kosher tax and then use it to make matzo on Passover.
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Let's see how much you guys know...
does the governement print it and send it in the mail to people or what?
Just look it up.... The answers are found in wikipedia...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_supply
In economics, money supply, or money stock, is the total amount of money available in an economy at a particular point in time.[1] There are several ways to define "money", but standard measures usually include currency in circulation and demand deposits.[2][3]
Money supply data are recorded and published, usually by the government or the central bank of the country. Public- and private-sector analysts have long monitored changes in money supply because of its possible effects on the price level, inflation and the business cycle.[4]
That relation between money and prices is historically associated with the quantity theory of money. There is strong empirical evidence of a direct empirical relation between long-term price inflation and money-supply growth. These underlie the current reliance on monetary policy as a means of controlling inflation.[5][6]
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The main functions of the central bank are to maintain low inflation, and full employment. The U.S. Central bank may attempt to do this by artificially stimulating demand by affecting the nation's money supply via lower (or higher) interest rates. Furthermore, deficit spending on the authorization of the U.S. Government is designed to artificially stimulate aggregate demand for products and services within an economy. Another means, of stimulating demand would be changes in both consumption taxes, and personal income taxes. The argument for either, as per the efficiency to which the additional dollars are being utilized, would determine their overall effect on the GDP of a nation, and whether or not a sustainable stimulus is in effect. For example, a dollar given to a tax-payer (tax credit) for purchases of products or services (stimulating monetary velocity), versus a dollar given to an additional construction laborer - infrastructure redevelopment (for example, also stimulating monetary velocity).
The main debate amongst economists in the second half of the twentieth century concerned the central banks ability to predict how much money should be in circulation, given current employment rates, and inflation rates. Some economists like Milton Friedman believed that the central bank would always get it wrong, leading to wider swings in the economy than if it were just left alone.[26] This is why they advocated a non-interventionist approach.
Chairman of the U.S. Federal Reserve, Ben Bernanke, has suggested that over the last 10 to 15 years, many modern central banks have become relatively adept at manipulation of the money supply, leading to a smoother business cycle, with recessions tending to be smaller and less frequent than in earlier decades, a phenomenon he terms "The Great Moderation" [27] However these assumptions may very well prove ill-conceived by the ongoing financial/economic crisis of 2008-present. History will judge whether or not the now classical thinking of interest, and money supply moderation, have proven effective in preventing recessions, severe or mild. Furthermore, it may be that the functions of the central bank may need to encompass more than the 'jigging' up or down of interest rates in order to influence money supply, in the sense that these tools, although valuable, do not in fact control the very volatility, nor directly the velocity, of money supply in a nation's economy.
Money creation is the process by which money is produced or issued. There are three different ways to create money:
* manufacturing a new monetary unit, such as paper currency or metal coins (money creation)
* loaning out a physical monetary unit multiple times through fractional-reserve lending (credit creation)
* buying of government securities or other financial instruments by central bank through Open market operations (electronic creation)
Coins are produced by manufacturing metal in a factory called a mint.
Banknotes and bank account balances are financial securities issued by a bank.
Similarly, money destruction, i.e., the reverse of money creation, can occur in two different ways, depending on how the money was created. The destruction of physically created money occurs when coins are scrapped to recover their precious metal content, which can be incentivized by the value of the metal coming to exceed the face value of the coin, or when the issuer redeems the securities. The destruction of money created through loans occurs as the loans are paid back (deleveraging)[citation needed].
The practices and regulation of production, issue and redemption of money is of central concern to monetary economics (e.g. money supply, monetarism), and affect the operation of financial markets and the purchasing power of money.
In modern economies, relatively little of the money supply is in currency (i.e. coins and banknotes); most is created through lending.
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Then the neocons and the Zionist Occupied Government of America send the rest of the money to the Israeli Likud Party.
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Then the neocons and the Zionist Occupied Government of America send the rest of the money to the Israeli Likud Party.
Is that where all the money is going :o
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Let's see how much you guys know...
does the governement print it and send it in the mail to people or what?
Just look it up.... The answers are found in wikipedia...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_supply
In economics, money supply, or money stock, is the total amount of money available in an economy at a particular point in time.[1] There are several ways to define "money", but standard measures usually include currency in circulation and demand deposits.[2][3]
Money supply data are recorded and published, usually by the government or the central bank of the country. Public- and private-sector analysts have long monitored changes in money supply because of its possible effects on the price level, inflation and the business cycle.[4]
That relation between money and prices is historically associated with the quantity theory of money. There is strong empirical evidence of a direct empirical relation between long-term price inflation and money-supply growth. These underlie the current reliance on monetary policy as a means of controlling inflation.[5][6]
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The main functions of the central bank are to maintain low inflation, and full employment. The U.S. Central bank may attempt to do this by artificially stimulating demand by affecting the nation's money supply via lower (or higher) interest rates. Furthermore, deficit spending on the authorization of the U.S. Government is designed to artificially stimulate aggregate demand for products and services within an economy. Another means, of stimulating demand would be changes in both consumption taxes, and personal income taxes. The argument for either, as per the efficiency to which the additional dollars are being utilized, would determine their overall effect on the GDP of a nation, and whether or not a sustainable stimulus is in effect. For example, a dollar given to a tax-payer (tax credit) for purchases of products or services (stimulating monetary velocity), versus a dollar given to an additional construction laborer - infrastructure redevelopment (for example, also stimulating monetary velocity).
The main debate amongst economists in the second half of the twentieth century concerned the central banks ability to predict how much money should be in circulation, given current employment rates, and inflation rates. Some economists like Milton Friedman believed that the central bank would always get it wrong, leading to wider swings in the economy than if it were just left alone.[26] This is why they advocated a non-interventionist approach.
Chairman of the U.S. Federal Reserve, Ben Bernanke, has suggested that over the last 10 to 15 years, many modern central banks have become relatively adept at manipulation of the money supply, leading to a smoother business cycle, with recessions tending to be smaller and less frequent than in earlier decades, a phenomenon he terms "The Great Moderation" [27] However these assumptions may very well prove ill-conceived by the ongoing financial/economic crisis of 2008-present. History will judge whether or not the now classical thinking of interest, and money supply moderation, have proven effective in preventing recessions, severe or mild. Furthermore, it may be that the functions of the central bank may need to encompass more than the 'jigging' up or down of interest rates in order to influence money supply, in the sense that these tools, although valuable, do not in fact control the very volatility, nor directly the velocity, of money supply in a nation's economy.
Money creation is the process by which money is produced or issued. There are three different ways to create money:
* manufacturing a new monetary unit, such as paper currency or metal coins (money creation)
* loaning out a physical monetary unit multiple times through fractional-reserve lending (credit creation)
* buying of government securities or other financial instruments by central bank through Open market operations (electronic creation)
Coins are produced by manufacturing metal in a factory called a mint.
Banknotes and bank account balances are financial securities issued by a bank.
Similarly, money destruction, i.e., the reverse of money creation, can occur in two different ways, depending on how the money was created. The destruction of physically created money occurs when coins are scrapped to recover their precious metal content, which can be incentivized by the value of the metal coming to exceed the face value of the coin, or when the issuer redeems the securities. The destruction of money created through loans occurs as the loans are paid back (deleveraging)[citation needed].
The practices and regulation of production, issue and redemption of money is of central concern to monetary economics (e.g. money supply, monetarism), and affect the operation of financial markets and the purchasing power of money.
In modern economies, relatively little of the money supply is in currency (i.e. coins and banknotes); most is created through lending.
in your own words muman. i want to see what YOU know so you have to actually THINK.
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Its printed by an evil consortium of Masons and the Bilderberg group and UFO reverse vampires, but only AFTER they do a pagan ritual of sacrificing a virgin hog.
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if muman actually THINKS about he posted, he'll realize he's spouting a conspiracy theory making him a conspiracy theorist! :::D
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Let's see how much you guys know...
does the governement print it and send it in the mail to people or what?
How much do we know? We do know how to spell Government....can you say G O V E R N M E N T ?
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Its printed by an evil consortium of Masons and the Bilderberg group and UFO reverse vampires, but only AFTER they do a pagan ritual of sacrificing a virgin hog.
you are the king of the strawman aren't you? where'd you learn to be so deceptive in debates?
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if muman actually THINKS about he posted, he'll realize he's spouting a conspiracy theory making him a conspiracy theorist! :::D
I am appealing to your conspiracy-laden mind my friend. I have done some research on you and I discover you believe some wild-eyed things...
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Let's see how much you guys know...
does the governement print it and send it in the mail to people or what?
How much do we know? We do know how to spell Government....can you say G O V E R N M E N T ?
yes! SPELLLIING! That's what's important! Not who controls the money supply but SPELLING!!!! Wheeeeeeee! Let's all focus on form because we lack the ability to deal with the SUBSTANCE of the discussion.
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Let's see how much you guys know...
does the governement print it and send it in the mail to people or what?
How much do we know? We do know how to spell Government....can you say G O V E R N M E N T ?
yes! SPELLLIING! That's what's important! Not who controls the money supply but SPELLING!!!! Wheeeeeeee! Let's all focus on form because we lack the ability to deal with the SUBSTANCE of the discussion.
How old are you? You seem to be a child... Do you work for a living? I could ask you some questions about computer programming and I am sure you would not be able to answer. I have answered your question about money supply... I fail to see where you are going with this.
Currency is printed and sent to banks. Money is created by lending institutions and debt is bought and sold on the free market. My brother was involved in Wall Street and worked for one of the countries largest commodity markets in the world while working for Cantor Fitzgerald. He is no longer among the living because he was killed by ISLAMIC TERRORISTS on 9/11. I would ask my brother who would be able to explain to you how the money supply works, he was an executive in charge of a division of Cantor called eSpeed.
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Its printed by an evil consortium of Masons and the Bilderberg group and UFO reverse vampires, but only AFTER they do a pagan ritual of sacrificing a virgin hog.
you are the king of the strawman aren't you? where'd you learn to be so deceptive in debates?
I am THEM. And we are coming to get you in our black helicopters... because you know too much about our plan to take over the world using our evil printing machine. I would suggest covering your head with aluminum foil so we cannot read your thoughts.
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if muman actually THINKS about he posted, he'll realize he's spouting a conspiracy theory making him a conspiracy theorist! :::D
You seem to have alot of anger issues. Why don't you go back to your islamic-pedo fourm and cry to your buddies :'(
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I think it's obvious to anyone who can THINK who the real troolls here are:
They are the non-thinking attack dogs (will be charactarized as an antisemetic slur though it's a common term...typical):
republicandox
muman
briann
Fail. the gig is up.
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Let's see how much you guys know...
does the governement print it and send it in the mail to people or what?
How much do we know? We do know how to spell Government....can you say G O V E R N M E N T ?
yes! SPELLLIING! That's what's important! Not who controls the money supply but SPELLING!!!! Wheeeeeeee! Let's all focus on form because we lack the ability to deal with the SUBSTANCE of the discussion.
How old are you? You seem to be a child... Do you work for a living? I could ask you some questions about computer programming and I am sure you would not be able to answer. I have answered your question about money supply... I fail to see where you are going with this.
Currency is printed and sent to banks. Money is created by lending institutions and debt is bought and sold on the free market. My brother was involved in Wall Street and worked for one of the countries largest commodity markets in the world while working for Cantor Fitzgerald. He is no longer among the living because he was killed by ISLAMIC TERRORISTS on 9/11. I would ask my brother who would be able to explain to you how the money supply works, he was an executive in charge of a division of Cantor called eSpeed.
Muman... lets humor him. Tell us mdub, How DOES money get into circulation? We all want to learn.
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I think it's obvious to anyone who can THINK who the real troolls here are:
They are the non-thinking attack dogs:
republicandox
muman
briann
Fail. the gig is up.
All of our [censored] meters are swinging far to the right... We can detect BS from a mile away..
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I think it's obvious to anyone who can THINK who the real troolls here are:
They are the non-thinking attack dogs:
republicandox
muman
briann
Fail. the gig is up.
Can you add me to the list, please?
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Let's see how much you guys know...
does the governement print it and send it in the mail to people or what?
How much do we know? We do know how to spell Government....can you say G O V E R N M E N T ?
Didn't you read the article? It says right there it's controled by a "central bank" and is mainly LENT into society.
yes! SPELLLIING! That's what's important! Not who controls the money supply but SPELLING!!!! Wheeeeeeee! Let's all focus on form because we lack the ability to deal with the SUBSTANCE of the discussion.
How old are you? You seem to be a child... Do you work for a living? I could ask you some questions about computer programming and I am sure you would not be able to answer. I have answered your question about money supply... I fail to see where you are going with this.
Currency is printed and sent to banks. Money is created by lending institutions and debt is bought and sold on the free market. My brother was involved in Wall Street and worked for one of the countries largest commodity markets in the world while working for Cantor Fitzgerald. He is no longer among the living because he was killed by ISLAMIC TERRORISTS on 9/11. I would ask my brother who would be able to explain to you how the money supply works, he was an executive in charge of a division of Cantor called eSpeed.
Muman... lets humor him. Tell us mdub, How DOES money get into circulation? We all want to learn.
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http://junglescene.com/forums/topic-137-236-Re__WWIII_is_getting_closer_____.html
mdub wrote
Re: WWIII is getting closer!!!!!
Pay attention to the syncranocities in your life! Everything apears to be time coded and time does appear to be accelarating as the "Mayans" predicted with their calander. We have all been lead to this type of information for a specific purpose. As human beings of the earth and universe, evolution has led us to this special period. We are all the physical and conscious representation of the cosmos. As a human race we are begining to awaken and evolve literaly to a higher power. We all have it resonating in us in our dna. It is facinating to see the collective consciousness here on a blog such as junglescene. I am facinated by the stories you all share from your personal experiences. Just look around and pick up any type of media, whether it be mainstream or underground information. It proves how interdependant we as people, families, culture, subgroups, countries, etc., really are. We all need eachother to function as a whole in todays world. It is very dificult to hide the lies these days. Be that lightworker and spread the love and knowledge.
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Too bad C.F. isn't here. He would probably have something funny to say to mdub.
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http://junglescene.com/forums/topic-137-236-Re__WWIII_is_getting_closer_____.html
mdub wrote
Re: WWIII is getting closer!!!!!
Pay attention to the syncranocities in your life! Everything apears to be time coded and time does appear to be accelarating as the "Mayans" predicted with their calander. We have all been lead to this type of information for a specific purpose. As human beings of the earth and universe, evolution has led us to this special period. We are all the physical and conscious representation of the cosmos. As a human race we are begining to awaken and evolve literaly to a higher power. We all have it resonating in us in our dna. It is facinating to see the collective consciousness here on a blog such as junglescene. I am facinated by the stories you all share from your personal experiences. Just look around and pick up any type of media, whether it be mainstream or underground information. It proves how interdependant we as people, families, culture, subgroups, countries, etc., really are. We all need eachother to function as a whole in todays world. It is very dificult to hide the lies these days. Be that lightworker and spread the love and knowledge.
Wow, Im learning all sorta things today. Those Mayan's are probably behind printing all our money and the NWO.
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I think it's obvious to anyone who can THINK who the real troolls here are:
They are the non-thinking attack dogs (will be charactarized as an antisemetic slur though it's a common term...typical):
republicandox
muman
briann
Fail. the gig is up.
The only people who failed were your Mom and Dad who I expect met at their family reunion.
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I think it's obvious to anyone who can THINK who the real troolls here are:
They are the non-thinking attack dogs (will be charactarized as an antisemetic slur though it's a common term...typical):
republicandox
muman
briann
Fail. the gig is up.
Go PISS on Mohamed !
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From http://www.theinsider.org/reports/new-world-order/
The New World Order is no longer a conspiracy theory; it is an established fact.
The "New World Order" has been a prominent conspiracy theory for decades[1]. Here and now, as the new millennium dawns, the New World Order has become a globally recognised political concept,[2] and as such it can no longer be regarded simply as a theory.
Mankind is now literally entering a new age, the Age of Aquarius, according to the ancient zodiacal calendar which is as old as human civilisation.[3] Aquarius is associated by astrologers with brotherhood, or fraternity, which is the cornerstone of Freemasonry.
New World Order
The previous zodiacal age was that of Pisces. The zodiacal symbol of Pisces, the fish, is also an important Christian symbol, and it is noteworthy that the age of Pisces coincided with the age of Christianity. During the previous age dates were written with the suffix "C.E. " which stands for "Anno Domini" or "Year of Our Lord" denoting the era of Christ. Alternatively, dates were denoted "B.C.E." - "Before Christ".
In 2002 AD, as the Age of Pisces was giving way to the new age of Aquarius, the decision was officially taken to replace the B.C.E./AD date referencing system with the new C.E./B.C.E. references which stand for "Common Era" and "Before the Common Era".[4] What better way for the New Secular Order to proclaim the begginning of its reign than to secularise the way in which dates are recorded, replacing the Christian dating system of the old Order with a new, secular system for the for the Aquarian age?
Consider the official Great Seal of the Unites States of America[5], which is most commonly seen on the back of the one the dollar bill[6] - probably the world's most familiar banknote. On the US Great Seal, beneath the ancient Pyramid, is the Latin inscription: "Novus Ordo Seclorum". The official translation of this motto is "A New Order of the Ages". The Latin word "Novus" means "New", and "Ordo" means "Order". The Latin word "Seclorum" and its English equivalent "Secular" both share the same three alternative definitions: (1) "Secular" - without religion; (2) "Worldly" - of this world; and (3) "From century to century" - or from age to age. Thus, the motto "Novus Ordo Seclorum" has three different but equally valid translations:
* New Secular Order
* New World Order
* New Order of the Ages
The different meanings of Novus Ordo Seclorum are not mutually exclusive; in fact, they are synergistic. The alternative translations are all as pertinent today as they were "at the beginning of the new American era in 1776." Let this be a testament the wisdom of the men who chose these words, for they demonstrate the esoteric power of language and the written Word.
If secret societies are able to display such esoteric and Masonic symbolism so prominently for us all to see, then perhaps this is indeed the age of Freemasonry. Amen.
Amen-Ra.
Throughout history there have been allegations of a conspiracy of this type. There has never been any proof that there exists such an organization with this power.
PS: It is not 2009, its 5769....
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Let's see how much you guys know...
does the governement print it and send it in the mail to people or what?
How much do we know? We do know how to spell Government....can you say G O V E R N M E N T ?
yes! SPELLLIING! That's what's important! Not who controls the money supply but SPELLING!!!! Wheeeeeeee! Let's all focus on form because we lack the ability to deal with the SUBSTANCE of the discussion.
Currency is printed and sent to banks. Money is created by lending institutions and debt is bought and sold on the free market.
This is an important issue muman that affects your future. no matter what profession you have you shoudl know about this.
Most of the money in supply is NOT printed, in truth.
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Let's see how much you guys know...
does the governement print it and send it in the mail to people or what?
How much do we know? We do know how to spell Government....can you say G O V E R N M E N T ?
yes! SPELLLIING! That's what's important! Not who controls the money supply but SPELLING!!!! Wheeeeeeee! Let's all focus on form because we lack the ability to deal with the SUBSTANCE of the discussion.
Currency is printed and sent to banks. Money is created by lending institutions and debt is bought and sold on the free market.
This is an important issue muman that affects your future. no matter what profession you have you shoudl know about this.
Most of the money in supply is NOT printed, in truth.
I believe that Islam and the radical left pose a far more immediate threat than any 'illuminati' conspiracy..
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Muman,
are there any limits on how much this combination of "lending institutions" (read: banks) and government can lend out? Is it tied to any real asset or value? or can they just lend out however much they want?
if you reject "conspiracy theories" i'm sure you already researched this throuroughly. i'm sure you'd never mock something that you idn't research first.
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Exactly muman !! All that other garbage is just a distraction from the real problem.
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Let's see how much you guys know...
does the governement print it and send it in the mail to people or what?
How much do we know? We do know how to spell Government....can you say G O V E R N M E N T ?
yes! SPELLLIING! That's what's important! Not who controls the money supply but SPELLING!!!! Wheeeeeeee! Let's all focus on form because we lack the ability to deal with the SUBSTANCE of the discussion.
Currency is printed and sent to banks. Money is created by lending institutions and debt is bought and sold on the free market.
This is an important issue muman that affects your future. no matter what profession you have you shoudl know about this.
Most of the money in supply is NOT printed, in truth.
I believe that Islam and the radical left pose a far more immediate threat than any 'illuminati' conspiracy..
This troll is beginning to bore me to tears :'(
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This is an important issue muman that affects your future. no matter what profession you have you shoudl know about this.
Most of the money in supply is NOT printed, in truth.
Explain to us why this is important.
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I have found an mdub who believes 9/11 was a conspiracy...
I hope this is not our 'mdub'....
http://kennebecjournal.mainetoday.com/commentsCMN.html?id=5390161&sec=view/letters&com_full=1&total=31&prev=0&sort=DESC
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This is an important issue muman that affects your future. no matter what profession you have you shoudl know about this.
Most of the money in supply is NOT printed, in truth.
Explain to us why this is important.
it's important to understand how a small group of private banks (who make up the ownership of the federal reserve) have been granted the ability by congress to control one side of every transaction in the United States. there is nothing more important that this discussion right here.
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This is an important issue muman that affects your future. no matter what profession you have you shoudl know about this.
Most of the money in supply is NOT printed, in truth.
Explain to us why this is important.
it's important to understand how a small group of private banks (who make up the ownership of the federal reserve) have been granted the ability by congress to control one side of every transaction in the United States. there is nothing more important that this discussion right here.
Why is this so important? And what does that have to do with most money not being in printed form? What is the conspiracy? What is being done maliciously behind our backs?
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This is an important issue muman that affects your future. no matter what profession you have you shoudl know about this.
Most of the money in supply is NOT printed, in truth.
Explain to us why this is important.
it's important to understand how a small group of private banks (who make up the ownership of the federal reserve) have been granted the ability by congress to control one side of every transaction in the United States. there is nothing more important that this discussion right here.
Why is this so important? And what does that have to do with most money not being in printed form? What is the conspiracy? What is being done maliciously behind our backs?
Do you really want to know?
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I wonder if this is the same mdub.
muslimhiphop.com/forum/index.php?showuser=2417 (http://muslimhiphop.com/forum/index.php?showuser=2417)
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For the record it's not (VERY) importatn whether it's printed in form or not. I was just correcting my friend muman.
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I think it's obvious to anyone who can THINK who the real troolls here are:
They are the non-thinking attack dogs (will be charactarized as an antisemetic slur though it's a common term...typical):
republicandox
muman
briann
Fail. the gig is up.
Mdub, Republicandox, Muman and Briann are veteran JTF members in good standing. So considering that you're new here, I think it would behoove you to be more respectful. We don't need any Ron Paul nut jobs here.
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This is an important issue muman that affects your future. no matter what profession you have you shoudl know about this.
Most of the money in supply is NOT printed, in truth.
Explain to us why this is important.
it's important to understand how a small group of private banks (who make up the ownership of the federal reserve) have been granted the ability by congress to control one side of every transaction in the United States. there is nothing more important that this discussion right here.
Why is this so important? And what does that have to do with most money not being in printed form? What is the conspiracy? What is being done maliciously behind our backs?
Do you really want to know?
Why would I ask if I didnt want to hear this??... tell me.. and dont cut and paste. Tell me in your words.
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I wonder if this is the same mdub.
muslimhiphop.com/forum/index.php?showuser=2417 (http://muslimhiphop.com/forum/index.php?showuser=2417)
Muslim Hip Hop??? I think I know what kinda music they play in Hell.
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it's important because if you think about you it..you'll realize you have no frikin idea how much powr this very small group of bankers has...
every dollar you think you have was CREATED by them (with little to no restrictions oir oversight on how much they make) and LOANED to you at interest as a DEBT.
At interest we collectively will NEVER be able to pay back because the more money they put into supply...the more the interest grows.
every dollar you THINK you have. is really just represents another DEBT to this small group of bankers.
now you know who has all the money. now you know who has all the power. and now you know who to blame as the country goes into the crapper. they use that power over credit and money supply to take us through booms and recessions...its' easy to do once you control the money supply.
they've devalued the currency about 95% because they're printing money from thin air...pocketing LORD KNOWS how much for themselves and enslaving the rest of the godamn world with an unending cyle of debt with the rest of it.
if that ain't a diabolical conspiracy I don't know what is.
and it's high time you boys and girls sotopped acting like children and wake up to this because there's litte to nothing that goes on without the blessing of these money masters (for obvious reasons) and you've been lied to your whole lives and toldl the president runs stuff.
wake up. because you'll be bankrupt (and shot dead) before you konow it if you don't figure it out soon and stop it.
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it's important because if you think about you it..you'll realize you have no frikin idea how much powr this very small group of bankers has...
every dollar you think you have was CREATED by them (with little to no restrictions oir oversight on how much they make) and LOANED to you at interest as a DEBT.
At interest we collectively will NEVER be able to pay back because the more money they put into supply...the more the interest grows.
every dollar you THINK you have. is really just represents another DEBT to this small group of bankers.
now you know who has all the money. now you know who has all the power. and now you know who to blame as the country goes into the crapper. they use that power over credit and money supply to take us through booms and recessions...its' easy to do once you control the money supply.
they've devalued the currency about 95% because they're printing money from thin air...pocketing LORD KNOWS how much for themselves and enslaving the rest of the godamn world with an unending cyle of debt with the rest of it.
if that ain't a diabolical conspiracy I don't know what is.
and it's high time you boys and girls sotopped acting like children and wake up to this because there's litte to nothing that goes on without the blessing of these money masters (for obvious reasons) and you've been lied to your whole lives and toldl the president runs stuff.
wake up. because you'll be bankrupt (and shot dead) before you konow it if you don't figure it out soon and stop it.
Can you call Mohamed a PIG? Can you say Piss On Mohamed?
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Im going to ask these questions one more time... PLEASE answer my questions.
HOW is our central bank responsible for our huge debt? (Again... other than the monetizing of our debt during Carter admin?)
You say that money has been devalued about 95%??? when exactly did this occur?
Please explain to me... what 'conspiracy' is taking place? Be precise... who is doing what? Who is getting the benefits?
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I think you need to take an economics or Finance class.
Yes! And be sure to take that class at a school funded by the Rockefellers! Because surely a school owned by the banks will tell you the truth about what the bankers are doing...surely.
I want to get into teh other stuff you said-i just couldn't get past that first ridiculous statement.
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I think you need to take an economics or Finance class.
Yes! And be sure to take that class at a school funded by the Rockefellers! Because surely a school owned by the banks will tell you the truth about what the bankers are doing...surely.
I want to get into teh other stuff you said-i just couldn't get past that first ridiculous statement.
in fact school has done such a godamn good job of teaching us how money works that all the college grads here can't answer the most basic questions about where money comes from without pasting wikipedia.
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I think you need to take an economics or Finance class.
our braindead Federal and State governments are fiscally irresponsible.
let's focus on that statement...you call them "braindead". if they are so "braindead" how did they wind up in the most important positions in the world? thikn about your class, your business or whatever...do "braindead" people get elevated to the highest positions? think about that.
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Every country on the planet has a central bank that works very similar to ours.
th9is is true unfortunately. this banking cartel has control over not just the US currency but the WORLD currency. maybe you've noticed that these big banks: the central banks here and in england for instance are very much intertwined making the situation far worse even than waht i spoke about.
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it's 95% devalued since we went off the gold standard adn they were given licence to print money out of thin air. they print the money, crash teh stock market at will...buy up wall street than build it back and do it all over again to suck more life out of their slaves.
lender=master
borrower=slave
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mdub, you sound like a ranting and raving lefty to me... You hate America and you blame the Jews... Your ideas are not new and you have not proven a single thing here. What are you trying to say?
In my opinion you FAIL to convince anyone of your twisted ideas.
Maybe those other forums which you frequent will prop you up but you have come to a Jewish forum with your crazy ideas.
The American Economy has been very kind to me and my family. We came from Ukraine in the 1900s and my family has prospered very well. I have no complaints with the system. Maybe you have some other issues...
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I think you need to take an economics or Finance class.
The fact that we have a central bank that expands and contracts the money supply has NOTHING to do with the fact that our braindead Federal and State governments are fiscally irresponsible.
it has everything to do with it. the government under the Fed reserve system can't spend without BORROWING that money from the banks at interest. so if the banks don't approve of some spending it won't happen. so who's REALLY in charge here? But it doesn't even matter...the banks are so powerful any politician that seriously takes them on will never get anywhere or wind up dead.
So good luck supporting Palin in 2012! You either want the poor woman corrupted or dead is waht you're really saying. :::D
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it has everything to do with it. the government under the Fed reserve system can't spend without BORROWING that money from the banks at interest. so if the banks don't approve of some spending it won't happen. so who's REALLY in charge here? But it doesn't even matter...the banks are so powerful any politician that seriously takes them on will never get anywhere or wind up dead.
I think you are confusing the Fed with the Treasury. The fed DOES NOT issue the securities that are used for financing the debt. So if we are discussing the Treasury... Please explain to me what conspiracy is happening at the treasury?
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it's 95% devalued since we went off the gold standard adn they were given licence to print money out of thin air.
OK... lets look at inflation (Changes in CPI)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/34/US_Consumer_Price_Index_Graph.svg)
It was inflated greatly during WWI and WWII. Every country inflates their economy during wartime.
And of course... there was the stagflation of the 70's caused by the short-lived philosophy that excessively stimulative monetary policy could counteract a recession.
But since we abandon the stupidity of stagflation... the fed has managed to keep inflation at and even below 3%... which is one of the lowest in the world for that period.
NOW.. many conspiratists beleive that these numbers are forged... and are ignoring commodity and energy prices... However... now that oil and commodity prices has dropped significantly, even if you include energy/commodity prices in the basket of goods.. the number is hovering at just around 3$ for the last 10 years.
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it has everything to do with it. the government under the Fed reserve system can't spend without BORROWING that money from the banks at interest. so if the banks don't approve of some spending it won't happen. so who's REALLY in charge here? But it doesn't even matter...the banks are so powerful any politician that seriously takes them on will never get anywhere or wind up dead.
I think you are confusing the Fed with the Treasury. The fed DOES NOT issue the securities that are used for financing the debt. So if we are discussing the Treasury... Please explain to me what conspiracy is happening at the treasury?
Brian Brian Brian. Naive or a troll...naive or a troll...we'll see.
Who is this brian? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_F._Geithner
Is that the secretary of the treasury? or is it the ex head of the new york federal reserve? or is it both? is there a big difference here in whose running the show?
the fed has the power to "coin" money now. your money is banker monopoly money.
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and your politicians are bought and paid for by the private banks. if you think there's any independce here between the private banks and the politicans you've got your head in the sand.
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it has everything to do with it. the government under the Fed reserve system can't spend without BORROWING that money from the banks at interest. so if the banks don't approve of some spending it won't happen. so who's REALLY in charge here? But it doesn't even matter...the banks are so powerful any politician that seriously takes them on will never get anywhere or wind up dead.
I think you are confusing the Fed with the Treasury. The fed DOES NOT issue the securities that are used for financing the debt. So if we are discussing the Treasury... Please explain to me what conspiracy is happening at the treasury?
Brian Brian Brian. Naive or a troll...naive or a troll...we'll see.
Who is this brian? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_F._Geithner
Is that the secretary of the treasury? or is it the ex head of the new york federal reserve? or is it both? is there a big difference here in whose running the show?
the fed has the power to "coin" money now. your money is banker monopoly money.
Briann knows a heck of a lot more than you about finance... That is well known..
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it's 95% devalued since we went off the gold standard adn they were given licence to print money out of thin air. they print the money, crash teh stock market at will...buy up wall street than build it back and do it all over again to suck more life out of their slaves.
lender=master
borrower=slave
SO you think the severity of stock market and economic collapses were LESS when we were on the gold standard??
OK... we went off the gold standard in 1933. Now... take a look at the list of recession before and after 1933 and notice their duration and severity?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_recessions_in_the_United_States
Brian...I'm not saying the gold standard was even much better. don't try to box me into a false choice.
even under the gold standard banks can still issue as much fake currency as they want so long as they can keep chagning the fractional reserve laws about how much gold they need to keep...as long as THEY (the bankers) are in control of the money supply you'll never have freedom from this cycle of recession and consolidation and ultimately it will lead to a greater dpresssion than all of htese combined.
if you keep issuing currency out of htin air you WILL collapse the currency i.e. the entire economy. THAT is what they are doing and everyone will be screwed when it hits the fan...it's the largest ponzi scheme ever and if you think this economy is bad you AINT SEEN NOTHING YET!
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it has everything to do with it. the government under the Fed reserve system can't spend without BORROWING that money from the banks at interest. so if the banks don't approve of some spending it won't happen. so who's REALLY in charge here? But it doesn't even matter...the banks are so powerful any politician that seriously takes them on will never get anywhere or wind up dead.
I think you are confusing the Fed with the Treasury. The fed DOES NOT issue the securities that are used for financing the debt. So if we are discussing the Treasury... Please explain to me what conspiracy is happening at the treasury?
Brian Brian Brian. Naive or a troll...naive or a troll...we'll see.
Who is this brian? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_F._Geithner
Is that the secretary of the treasury? or is it the ex head of the new york federal reserve? or is it both? is there a big difference here in whose running the show?
the fed has the power to "coin" money now. your money is banker monopoly money.
Wow, thats convincing evidence. You dont even know the most basic role of the Fed and the Treasury... or how to distinguish them... and all you can tell me is that Geithner used to be the head of the New York Fed?
OK... I can see that you havent answered any of my questions... I've had a more intelligent discussion with my 7 year old son. I think I'll talk with him now.
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it has everything to do with it. the government under the Fed reserve system can't spend without BORROWING that money from the banks at interest. so if the banks don't approve of some spending it won't happen. so who's REALLY in charge here? But it doesn't even matter...the banks are so powerful any politician that seriously takes them on will never get anywhere or wind up dead.
I think you are confusing the Fed with the Treasury. The fed DOES NOT issue the securities that are used for financing the debt. So if we are discussing the Treasury... Please explain to me what conspiracy is happening at the treasury?
Brian Brian Brian. Naive or a troll...naive or a troll...we'll see.
Who is this brian? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_F._Geithner
Is that the secretary of the treasury? or is it the ex head of the new york federal reserve? or is it both? is there a big difference here in whose running the show?
the fed has the power to "coin" money now. your money is banker monopoly money.
Wow, thats convincing evidence.
It's not me saying it Brian. It's Bernake himself. he says the have the right to "print" all the money they want...in fact, neither you nor me nor anyone else really knows how much new liquidity (i.e. debt) they have injected into the economy during this crises. there's a bill on the floor trying to just get permissions to LOOK at what they do. Watch that bill die and ask yourself: if the government can't even LOOK at what they're doing...whose really the head and whose really the tail over here.
Jackson warned about such a banker takeover...Lincoln and Jefferson did too...they said that if it happened they'd bankrupt the entire country and it's happening befor your eyes. But I'm sure you know better. Muman says you know a lot about finance.
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it's 95% devalued since we went off the gold standard adn they were given licence to print money out of thin air. they print the money, crash teh stock market at will...buy up wall street than build it back and do it all over again to suck more life out of their slaves.
lender=master
borrower=slave
SO you think the severity of stock market and economic collapses were LESS when we were on the gold standard??
OK... we went off the gold standard in 1933. Now... take a look at the list of recession before and after 1933 and notice their duration and severity?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_recessions_in_the_United_States
Brian...I'm not saying the gold standard was even much better. don't try to box me into a false choice.
even under the gold standard banks can still issue as much fake currency as they want so long as they can keep chagning the fractional reserve laws about how much gold they need to keep...as long as THEY (the bankers) are in control of the money supply you'll never have freedom from this cycle of recession and consolidation and ultimately it will lead to a greater dpresssion than all of htese combined.
if you keep issuing currency out of htin air you WILL collapse the currency i.e. the entire economy. THAT is what they are doing and everyone will be screwed when it hits the fan...it's the largest ponzi scheme ever and if you think this economy is bad you AINT SEEN NOTHING YET!
What are you talking about? SO you think that the "reserve requirements" where too high or too low when we were on the gold standard? What would be a good reserve requirement ratio?
Do you know WHY depressions lasted so long when we were on the gold standard? Do you know why EVERY time we had a recession it turned into a depression before 1933. Do you know why Nearly EVERY SINGLE country abandon the Gold standard during during the great depression?
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it's 95% devalued since we went off the gold standard adn they were given licence to print money out of thin air. they print the money, crash teh stock market at will...buy up wall street than build it back and do it all over again to suck more life out of their slaves.
lender=master
borrower=slave
SO you think the severity of stock market and economic collapses were LESS when we were on the gold standard??
OK... we went off the gold standard in 1933. Now... take a look at the list of recession before and after 1933 and notice their duration and severity?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_recessions_in_the_United_States
Brian...I'm not saying the gold standard was even much better. don't try to box me into a false choice.
even under the gold standard banks can still issue as much fake currency as they want so long as they can keep chagning the fractional reserve laws about how much gold they need to keep...as long as THEY (the bankers) are in control of the money supply you'll never have freedom from this cycle of recession and consolidation and ultimately it will lead to a greater dpresssion than all of htese combined.
if you keep issuing currency out of htin air you WILL collapse the currency i.e. the entire economy. THAT is what they are doing and everyone will be screwed when it hits the fan...it's the largest ponzi scheme ever and if you think this economy is bad you AINT SEEN NOTHING YET!
What are you talking about? SO you think that the "reserve requirements" where too high or too low when we were on the gold standard? What would be a good reserve requirement ratio?
Do you know WHY depressions lasted so long when we were on the gold standard? Do you know why EVERY time we had a recession it turned into a depression before 1933. Do you know why Nearly EVERY SINGLE country abandon the Gold standard during during the great depression?
There shouldn't be any "Reserve ratios" at all. banks shouldn't be abel to lend out money they don't have. period! what are we insane! letting a bunch of former nazi supporters have unlimited access to cash!!!
ideally it would be a nice non-for profit doling out cash into the economy in exchange for VALUE not debt.
why did everyone abandon the gold standard? that's the million dollar question, right? Of course I'm going to tell you that (and I'd be right of course) that these bankers CAUSED The depression INTENTENTIOALLY with their prededory margin loans (another story). Once they caused the problem...they get the chance to propose to people the solution: toss the gold standard to make it even easier for them to manipulate our currencty and therefore our economy and make everyone into their debt slaves.
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Mdub. People like you come out of the woodwork and some people actually start to believe you when the economy is bad. The only reason this current economic situation happened was economic institutions lifted their regulations and started to see a profit in approving loans to more people who (due to lowering the 20% down on homes) subsequently couldn't pay them. The loans got blended into REITs and worldwide institutions invested in them. The world has always had confidence in America's economy and the American dream so people invested in these REITS thinking they would keep on improving. What they didn't know was that on the ground level of America, minorities and immoral Americans were not into paying their bills because they all felt they could be like an infomercial or Robin Leech's "Rich and Famous" by just getting a loan and selling it to another sucker later. Everyone thought they were Donald Trump.
If I wanted to have a conspiracy, what sense would it make to ruin the institutions that made me rich? A conspiracy works when people aren't paying attention, not bringing worldwide focus on your financial goings on. It defies logic. People on Wall Street are not "all knowing" and neither are you. Selling snake oil to blacks and college kids may work but people here are smart enough to see through the tired old argument of "yeah, the man controls everything."
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Mdub. People like you come out of the woodwork and some people actually start to believe you when the economy is bad. The only reason this current economic situation happened was economic institutions lifted their regulations and started to see a profit in approving loans to more people who (due to lowering the 20% down on homes) subsequently couldn't pay them. The loans got blended into REITs and worldwide institutions invested in them. The world has always had confidence in America's economy and the American dream so people invested in these REITS thinking they would keep on improving. What they didn't know was that on the ground level of America, minorities and immoral Americans were not into paying their bills because they all felt they could be like an infomercial or Robin Leech's "Rich and Famous" by just getting a loan and selling it to another sucker later. Everyone thought they were Donald Trump.
you['re focusing on the extrenal trappings of the problem but not the root causes. behind everything you['re saying lies the ablity of a few small and corrupt group of people to inject more money (i.e. loans i.e. debt) into the economy whenever they want without restrictions.
that group of people are the owners of the major private banks who have formed the most powerful special interest groups in the world kjnown as bildeberg, the cfr and the trilateral commission. they DO have a stranglehold on the political and economic scene and a little research on your part would reveal that fact. show me a president and a presidential administration that wasn't riddled with members of these groups. show me even a serious head of a committe in congress that didn't have their blessings. even sarah palin has to kiss butt to kissinger (cfr, bildeber and trilateral) and support the TARP banker bill to get anywhere near the presidency.
then you need to research these groups and see what their agenda is. many of their documents are public and their plans should scare teh hell out of you. what im' trying to get you to do is think outside the box. realize that until you uproot these speical interest groups from government and change this outrageous monetary system nothing will change.
i like idealistic people who want to make the world better...i want you to focus your energies on the top of pyramid exactly where they don't want you to look (notice how you werne't taught a damn thing about how money is created in school...there's a good reason for that...)
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in fact school has done such a godamn good job of teaching us how money works that all the college grads here can't answer the most basic questions about where money comes from without pasting wikipedia.
^^^^^Those ARE YOUR words, 'mdub' and THIS is a RELIGIOUS forum with God fearing Jews and GOOD Christians.
You cant even RESPECT THAT. WHY are YOU here?? To TORMENT.
Whatever your name is 'mdub':
YOU are a WHITE NATIONIST nazi TROLL.
That is what you are.
You are WAY TOO EASY to detect. :laugh:
I deal with you ANIMALS all the time. You make me SICK. There is NO debate with this crazy person- this NUT is totally convinced of Paul, Duke, McConell, Weltner and all of that ILK and dirty specimen that are TRAITORS to the USA, and side with ISLAM over G-d. PAGANS.
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in fact school has done such a godamn good job of teaching us how money works that all the college grads here can't answer the most basic questions about where money comes from without pasting wikipedia.
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Mdub, I love to teach this subject, and I go into it in great length in my undergrad classes. Also I love to debate finance in general with my colleagues.
But you dont understand the most BASIC financial concepts, that Its pointless to discuss this area with you. There are many members here that know FAR more than you do, and they still are only novices in the area.
This is not uncommon with conspiracy banking nuts to not know the most basic concepts of banking and finance. In my experience, when I'm discussing finance with Conspiracy nuts, I always have to dumb it down for them... and usually they STILL don't understand it. Its as if I'm teaching a 10 year old.
Please go back to you're Muslim or StørmFrønt website, where the member's IQ's are low enough that they might actually believe you.
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in fact school has done such a godamn good job of teaching us how money works that all the college grads here can't answer the most basic questions about where money comes from without pasting wikipedia.
Mdub, I love to teach this subject, and I go into it in great length in my undergrad classes. Also I love to debate finance in general with my colleagues.
But you dont understand the most BASIC financial concepts, that Its pointless to discuss this area with you. There are many members here that know FAR more than you do, and they still are only novices in the area.
This is not uncommon with conspiracy banking nuts to not know the most basic concepts of banking and finance. In my experience, when I'm discussing finance with Conspiracy nuts, I always have to dumb it down for them... and usually they STILL don't understand it. Its as if I'm teaching a 10 year old.
Please go back to you're Muslim or StørmFrønt website, where the member's IQ's are low enough that they might actually believe you.
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well that's a convenient way to get out of a debate... :clap:
but the fact remains I'm not saying anything here that isn't MAINSTREAM knowledge of our current central banking system and money supply.
I just said what wikipedia said in different words.
If you have something SPECIFIC that I've said that you disagree with you should have no trouble pointing out the inaccuracy and setting the record straight. it would be a service not only for me but for all the members of the forum.
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if you have something SPECIFIC that I've saidd that you disagree with you should have no trouble pointing out the inaccuracy and setting the record straight. it would be a service not only for me but for all the members of the forum.
Fine, you said a lot of stupid things... but I will focus on the DUMBEST thing you said.
There shouldn't be any "Reserve ratios" at all. banks shouldn't be abel to lend out money they don't have.
This is the DUMBEST STATEMENT I HAVE EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE FROM ANYONE IN the subject of banking. Do you realize how stupid you sound saying this??
Firstly... Do you even know what a reserve requirement is?? Secondly, why the heck would a bank take deposits in the first place if they couldnt lend any of it out??? What would be there motivation to pay interest on anyone's deposits??
What would people do with their money if they wanted to save it? If I wanted to borrow money for a new business??? how would I get that money??
Please explain to me how this would all happend under your glorious new proposal of having a 100% reserve requirement??
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if you have something SPECIFIC that I've saidd that you disagree with you should have no trouble pointing out the inaccuracy and setting the record straight. it would be a service not only for me but for all the members of the forum.
Fine, you said a lot of stupid things... but I will focus on the DUMBEST thing you said.
There shouldn't be any "Reserve ratios" at all. banks shouldn't be abel to lend out money they don't have.
This is the DUMBEST STATEMENT I HAVE EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE FROM ANYONE IN the subject of banking. Do you realize how stupid you sound saying this??
Firstly... Do you even know what a reserve requirement is?? Secondly, why the heck would a bank take deposits in the first place if they couldnt lend any of it out??? What would be there motivation to pay interest on anyone's deposits??
What would people do with their money if they wanted to save it? If I wanted to borrow money for a new business??? how would I get that money??
Please explain to me how this would all happend under your glorious new proposal of having a 100% reserve requirement??
brian,
to gain perpective on this think back to the barter system.
if i milk your cow, you'll give me your wheat. that's how things used to work.
Money=value.
If someone wants money they need to provide VALUE i.e. they need to WORK for it. (this to you is also probably the dummest thing you've heard).
If you want money for a small business you need to WORK for that money. Sure you can borrow it from whoever you want. But NOBODY should be able to lend out money they don't have. That is called a scam my friend and it should be illegal.
Banks will stay in business if they provide VALUE i.e. people who have banks will be people who have more money than they need so they will choose to loan it out at interest. if they are good bank i.e. giving loans to people who deserve them with REAL money that they have instead of scamming everbody... they will prosper. they also will SECURE the money in exchange for a fee. That's STILL a good business to be in.
Banks won't be nearly as profitable as they are now..but it's still a viable business because they're providing a service people need: loans and security.
They SHOULDN"T be as profitable as they are now...because the vast majority of their wealth is all a sham: one giant ponzi scheme. they should be arrested.
as a results all the wealth in our economy is a sham too! people who take out LOANS to start a business don't have a business they have a DEBT. and unless their business is growing faster than they're debt (in a global sense this is impossible because there is more debt in the economy than there is mony in the economy).
i'd rather have a less prosperous america with REAL wealth than an america that LOOKS prosperous on the outside but is really a ticking time bomb of debt that explodes in our faces every 10 years and eventually will collapse compleletely.
Banks should be banks. Not money magicians pulling money out of their butts. They should have NEVER been in control of the money supply.
if america will be truly prosperous it will provide tremendous VALUE to the world...not because we are the best BORROWERS in the world.
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and of course the bankers tell you this won't work...they don't hvae a right to have an opinion on the matter because they are so biased..remember this corrupt system is their free lunch and their key to power. they'll kill before they let anyone get in the way of this sytem they have.
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to make this simple for others: if I went to brian and asked him for a loan to start my small biz. and he doesn't give me real money that he earned. he gives me counterfit money that he printed in his basement. then he asks me to pay him back with REAL money plus interest. he would get arrested. but that's exactly what the banks do every day and they don't get arrested because they wrote the law that says they can do this.
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if you have something SPECIFIC that I've saidd that you disagree with you should have no trouble pointing out the inaccuracy and setting the record straight. it would be a service not only for me but for all the members of the forum.
Fine, you said a lot of stupid things... but I will focus on the DUMBEST thing you said.
There shouldn't be any "Reserve ratios" at all. banks shouldn't be abel to lend out money they don't have.
This is the DUMBEST STATEMENT I HAVE EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE FROM ANYONE IN the subject of banking. Do you realize how stupid you sound saying this??
Firstly... Do you even know what a reserve requirement is?? Secondly, why the heck would a bank take deposits in the first place if they couldnt lend any of it out??? What would be there motivation to pay interest on anyone's deposits??
What would people do with their money if they wanted to save it? If I wanted to borrow money for a new business??? how would I get that money??
Please explain to me how this would all happend under your glorious new proposal of having a 100% reserve requirement??
brian,
to gain perpective on this think back to the barter system.
Money=value.
If someone wants money they need to provide VALUE i.e. they need to WORK for it. (this to you is also probably the dummest thing you've heard).
If you want money for a small business you need to WORK for that money. Sure you can borrow it from whoever you want. But NOBODY should be able to lend out money they don't have. That is called a scam my friend and it should be illegal.
Banks will stay in business if they provide VALUE i.e. people who have banks will be people who have more money than they need so they will choose to loan it out at interest. if they are good bank i.e. giving loans to people who deserve them with REAL money that they have instead of scamming everbody... they will prosper. they also will SECURE the money in exchange for a fee. That's STILL a good business to be in.
Banks won't be nearly as profitable as they are now..but it's still a viable business because they're providing a service people need: loans and security.
You cant possibly be this dumb???
Why would people who work hard and get extra money want to spend what little extra time they have trying to figure out who to lend their money to????
I personally have had HORRIBLE experiences with personal direct loans to friends and family and small businesses. They always flake out on me, and I would NOT be motivated to lend out anything. Under your glorious plan 99% of the people, including myself would NOT want to lend out money. We would just keep it in a safe somewhere. We would be in a perpetual caveman depression.
Also, please give me an example of a prosperous country in the last 200 years anywhere on this planet that works this way???
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to make this simple for others: if I went to brian and asked him for a loan to start my small biz. and he doesn't give me real money that he earned. he gives me counterfit money that he printed in his basement. then he asks me to pay him back with REAL money plus interest. he would get arrested. but that's exactly what the banks do every day and they don't get arrested because they wrote the law that says they can do this.
I can tell from your statement above that you really dont know how banks work. I will try to expain it to you in simple terms. (I was the Finance Professor of the year at my school, and am quite good at this) 8)
scenario A:
Your scenario where people lend their own money and cannot use a bank to do it for them.
I earn my $100, I keep $50.00 of it for my home expenses, then I take the extra $50.00 and lend it to company X
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Scenario B: (The way things work in every country on the planet)
I earn my $100, I keep $50.00 of it for my home expenses, then with the extra $50.00 rather than figuring out who to lend it to... I deposit to a bank... and the banks lends out $45.00 to company X (Req. to keep 10% reserve).
PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME EXACTLY WHY do you think Scenario B uses made up counterfeit money??? The exact thing just happened, the only difference is I used an intermediary, and I am far less involved.
Where is the counterfeit money coming from???? Explain to me WHY in Scenario B, the $ is coming from 'thin air'?
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Briann you are waisting your time trying to teach people finances that don't care to learn or understand them. The world we live in today could not possibly work under the system mdub speaks of. Banks giving credit under the correct conditions is the life blood of a capitalist system. Without credit we would all still be living in the horse and buggy era.
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Briann you are waisting your time trying to teach people finances that don't care to learn or understand them. The world we live in today could not possibly work under the system mdub speaks of. Banks giving credit under the correct conditions is the life blood of a capitalist system. Without credit we would all still be living in the horse and buggy era.
I know, I do this for the same reason I did it for for 9/11 truthers a while back. I get a kick out of it. I know this guy is dumb, but its fun to humor stupid people.
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I really DONT get why mdub the nazi small PUTZ is here and MarZutra, Nik, Massuh, and Aryeh ALL KAHANISTS are NOT here.
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to make this simple for others: if I went to brian and asked him for a loan to start my small biz. and he doesn't give me real money that he earned. he gives me counterfit money that he printed in his basement. then he asks me to pay him back with REAL money plus interest. he would get arrested. but that's exactly what the banks do every day and they don't get arrested because they wrote the law that says they can do this.
I can tell from your statement above that you really dont know how banks work. I will try to expain it to you in simple terms. (I was the Finance Professor of the year at my school, and am quite good at this) 8)
scenario A:
Your scenario where people lend their own money and cannot use a bank to do it for them.
I earn my $100, I keep $50.00 of it for my home expenses, then I take the extra $50.00 and lend it to company X
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Scenario B: (The way things work in every country on the planet)
I earn my $100, I keep $50.00 of it for my home expenses, then with the extra $50.00 rather than figuring out who to lend it to... I deposit to a bank... and the banks lends out $45.00 to company X (Req. to keep 10% reserve).
PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME EXACTLY WHY do you think Scenario B uses made up counterfeit money??? The exact thing just happened, the only difference is I used an intermediary, and I am far less involved.
Where is the counterfeit money coming from???? Explain to me WHY in Scenario B, the $ is coming from 'thin air'?
ok. in scenarios B. First of all: are you happy with what just happened here? You gave that 50 bucks to the bank to keep it SECURE and what did they do? They put it at RISK by loaning it to a company that you've maybe never heard of.
Now this begs the question: whose money was that? Was that the BANK'S money to do whatever it wants with? Or was that YOUR money and they put it at risk without ever telling you that they don't actually have the money you have them. you've set up an economy ripe for a run on the banks. If you and a million other people want your 50 bucks back the bankers will say "sorry we dont have it" and you'll hang them and it'll be chaos.
but it's worse than scenario b. Because in scenario B you're talking about money that's already in circulation. but it works a little differently the FIRST time money is circulated.
please explain to me how the money gets into circulation...where does it originally come from...e.g. the federeal reserve recently gave a lot of money to banks...where do they get that money from?
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I really DONT get why mdub the nazi small PUTZ is here and MarZutra, Nik, Massuh, and Aryeh ALL KAHANISTS are NOT here.
All great members at one time but about the only one that did not have a problem with JTF was Massuh. Massuh just sort of drifted off.
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Briann you are waisting your time trying to teach people finances that don't care to learn or understand them. The world we live in today could not possibly work under the system mdub speaks of. Banks giving credit under the correct conditions is the life blood of a capitalist system. Without credit we would all still be living in the horse and buggy era.
Stop calling it "credit". This is orwellian. it's a debt to you and a credit to the bank. Call it what it is: debt.
Now repeat what you just said: debt is the lifeblood of the captilist system. without debt we'd all be living in teh horse and buggy era.
see how ridiculous that statement is? Debt i.e. easy money (what you call "credit") doesn't make an economy strong. it only gives the APPEARANCE of strength until the debt bubble collapses.
What DOES make an economy prosper? The same thing that has made it prosper since the beginning of time: providing VALUE.
If America provides VALUE to the world (i.e. exports) it will prosper no matter what.
if you've got a car to invent and it's VALUABLE-then under a normal system you'll have no trouble getting cash from LOTS of people who want a share of your profits in exchange for the money.
The reason Brian hasn't been getting paid back for his loans is because he's not loaning it to someone that's doing something VALUABLE enough to garner the money to pay him back. either that or the guy's a crook in which case he should do more due diligence into whom he gives a loan to.
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to make this simple for others: if I went to brian and asked him for a loan to start my small biz. and he doesn't give me real money that he earned. he gives me counterfit money that he printed in his basement. then he asks me to pay him back with REAL money plus interest. he would get arrested. but that's exactly what the banks do every day and they don't get arrested because they wrote the law that says they can do this.
I can tell from your statement above that you really dont know how banks work. I will try to expain it to you in simple terms. (I was the Finance Professor of the year at my school, and am quite good at this) 8)
scenario A:
Your scenario where people lend their own money and cannot use a bank to do it for them.
I earn my $100, I keep $50.00 of it for my home expenses, then I take the extra $50.00 and lend it to company X
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Scenario B: (The way things work in every country on the planet)
I earn my $100, I keep $50.00 of it for my home expenses, then with the extra $50.00 rather than figuring out who to lend it to... I deposit to a bank... and the banks lends out $45.00 to company X (Req. to keep 10% reserve).
PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME EXACTLY WHY do you think Scenario B uses made up counterfeit money??? The exact thing just happened, the only difference is I used an intermediary, and I am far less involved.
Where is the counterfeit money coming from???? Explain to me WHY in Scenario B, the $ is coming from 'thin air'?
ok. in scenarios B. First of all: are you happy with what just happened here? You gave that 50 bucks to the bank to keep it SECURE and what did they do? They put it at RISK by loaning it to a company that you've maybe never heard of.
Now this begs the question: whose money was that? Was that the BANK'S money to do whatever it wants with? Or was that YOUR money and they put it at risk without ever telling you that they don't actually have the money you have them. you've set up an economy ripe for a run on the banks. If you and a million other people want your 50 bucks back the bankers will say "sorry we dont have it" and you'll hang them and it'll be chaos.
What a shock, you didnt answer the question... which I knew you couldnt... (But I just wanted to see you talk yourself around it). What you said earlier was nonsence about commercial banks being able to create money out of thin air because they dont have 100% reserve requirements.
Yes... you are right... the bank could lose all of my insured deposits..... but can you tell me some examples of this happening since we went off the gold standard in the last 70 years?? (Not before... because it used to happen all the time) Surely you must be able to give me thousands of examples of average people losing their insured deposits in the last 70 years in America since you are very knowledgeable in this area?
I will tell you.. that under your scenario (Scenario A) I have lost my investment nearly every time. Every time I lent my money out to family members, friends, and small businesses it has been next to impossible to get it back... and often times... I just gave up all together. One time, I did take an individual to court, and I only got a portion of it back... neglecting legal fees.
I am one person.. and I can give you a handful of examples of me NOT getting my money back using your glorious example A. Now I want you to give me examples of the 100's of millions of average insured depositors here in the U.S. in the last 70 years who lost their deposits using the example B.
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to make this simple for others: if I went to brian and asked him for a loan to start my small biz. and he doesn't give me real money that he earned. he gives me counterfit money that he printed in his basement. then he asks me to pay him back with REAL money plus interest. he would get arrested. but that's exactly what the banks do every day and they don't get arrested because they wrote the law that says they can do this.
I can tell from your statement above that you really dont know how banks work. I will try to expain it to you in simple terms. (I was the Finance Professor of the year at my school, and am quite good at this) 8)
scenario A:
Your scenario where people lend their own money and cannot use a bank to do it for them.
I earn my $100, I keep $50.00 of it for my home expenses, then I take the extra $50.00 and lend it to company X
__________________________
Scenario B: (The way things work in every country on the planet)
I earn my $100, I keep $50.00 of it for my home expenses, then with the extra $50.00 rather than figuring out who to lend it to... I deposit to a bank... and the banks lends out $45.00 to company X (Req. to keep 10% reserve).
PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME EXACTLY WHY do you think Scenario B uses made up counterfeit money??? The exact thing just happened, the only difference is I used an intermediary, and I am far less involved.
Where is the counterfeit money coming from???? Explain to me WHY in Scenario B, the $ is coming from 'thin air'?
ok. in scenarios B. First of all: are you happy with what just happened here? You gave that 50 bucks to the bank to keep it SECURE and what did they do? They put it at RISK by loaning it to a company that you've maybe never heard of.
Now this begs the question: whose money was that? Was that the BANK'S money to do whatever it wants with? Or was that YOUR money and they put it at risk without ever telling you that they don't actually have the money you have them. you've set up an economy ripe for a run on the banks. If you and a million other people want your 50 bucks back the bankers will say "sorry we dont have it" and you'll hang them and it'll be chaos.
What a shock, you didnt answer the question... which I knew you couldnt... (But I just wanted to see you talk yourself around it). What you said earlier was nonsence about commercial banks being able to create money out of thin air because they dont have 100% reserve requirements.
Yes... you are right... the bank could lose all of my insured deposits..... but can you tell me some examples of this happening since we went off the gold standard in the last 70 years?? (Not before... because it used to happen all the time) Surely you must be able to give me thousands of examples of average people losing their insured deposits in the last 70 years in America since you are very knowledgeable in this area?
I will tell you.. that under your scenario (Scenario A) I have lost my investment nearly every time. Every time I lent my money out to family members, friends, and small businesses it has been next to impossible to get it back... and often times... I just gave up all together. One time, I did take an individual to court, and I only got a portion of it back... neglecting legal fees.
I am one person.. and I can give you a handful of examples of me NOT getting my money back using your glorious example A. Now I want you to give me examples of the 100's of millions of average insured depositors here in the U.S. in the last 70 years who lost their deposits using the example B.
Brian,
See what I said above about due diligence and loaning to people who create value.. You would make a crappy banker by teh way.
But it's okay. You're being deceptive. You know that banks DO lose their deposits all the time...when that starts to happen too much they are bailed out by something called....tehe federal resevere i.e. the central bank.
And THAT is where there scammy lending practices are taking place that I was talking about.
You're the one not answering my questions, not the other way around.
My question in a nutshell is: how does the Federal Reservce get this money to bail out the banks when they are losing to many of their depoists? My dollars say "Federal Reserve notes". The government borrows money from teh fed to pay for its operations. I want to know where the Fed gets all this money from? I also want to know how much the Fed has to pay to get one of those Federal reserve notes from teh treasury. How much do they have to pay for a $10 bill? How much do they need to pay for a $100 bill?
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I told you I just wanted to focus on your dumbest statement, so I want YOU to focus on it like a laser.
To make things easier… lets pretend we are only talking about BEFORE 1933 when we were on the gold standard.
Now, lets look at your statement: When I showed you that before 1933 when we were on the Gold Standard, the recessions were far worse, and lasted much longer… You responded… its because of the reserve requirement of a bank wasn’t 100%.
You said THIS is the way banks should operate. And you said if they DON’T have a reserve requirement of 100% it allows banks the power to create ‘counterfeit’ money out of thin air.
So pretending we are in the 1800’s… answer me this and focus on it like a laser.
scenario A:
I earn my $100, I keep $50.00 of it for my home expenses, then I take the extra $50.00 and lend it to company X on my own.
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Scenario B:
I earn my $100, I keep $50.00 of it for my home expenses, then with the extra $50.00 rather than figuring out who to lend it to... I deposit to a bank... and the banks lends out $45.00 to company X (Req. to keep 10% reserve).
PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME EXACTLY WHY do you think Scenario B uses made up counterfeit money And PRETEND its happening in the 1800’s BEFORE we went off the gold standard.
Question 2:
Explain to me 1 example of a successful country that has used your method of 100% reserve requirement in the last 200 years.
If you CANT think of an example a single country... please explain to me why?
Again.. like I said a few posts ago... the reason I am focusing on this.. is that I believe that these are your dumbest statements.
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My question in a nutshell is: how does the Federal Reservce get this money to bail out the banks when they are losing to many of their depoists? My dollars say "Federal Reserve notes". The government borrows money from teh fed to pay for its operations. I want to know where the Fed gets all this money from? I also want to know how much the Fed has to pay to get one of those Federal reserve notes from teh treasury. How much do they have to pay for a $10 bill? How much do they need to pay for a $100 bill?
OK, I'll asnwer this but in a separate post. DO NOT mix my last question with this one. The Fed almost NEVER gives emergency lending. Before last year, it hadnt happened since the 1930's. For that period in between... the Banks borrowed from eachother when they were low on reserves.
Also.. the Federal Government does NOT borrow from the FED!!!!! Who keeps telling you this??? If our government has a debt... it borrows the money from the Chinese. Obama must use the US treasury as a vehicle to issue these debt instruments..... but they DONT issue it to the fed.. they issue the bonds to Chinese. This is why the Chinese were in the news about being worried about Obama borrowing TOO much and making their holdings riskier.
The Fed DOES have the power to increase and decrease the money supply using open market operations.... which involves buying these bonds in a secondary market.... if they do this for the purpose of monetizing the debt... it shows up as inflation... which is what happened with Carter and may happen with Obama. In general, if they just start printing money for no reason it shows up as inflation (Extreme examples are the Weimar republic and Turkey). However, in the US Other than in WWI and WWII when the Fed inflated the economy... (WHich is always done during warting) the Fed has kept inflation remarkably low... They have managed to keep inflation at around 3%... EVEN when you include energy and commodities. The only exception has been Carter's experiment in stagflation.
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Scenario B:
I earn my $100, I keep $50.00 of it for my home expenses, then with the extra $50.00 rather than figuring out who to lend it to... I deposit to a bank... and the banks lends out $45.00 to company X (Req. to keep 10% reserve).
PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME EXACTLY WHY do you think Scenario B uses made up counterfeit money And PRETEND its happening in the 1800’s BEFORE we went off the gold standard.
The counterfeit money is not in that transaction. It's in the next one. once the bank loans out the $45 to company X - company x puts it back into the economy and it winds up at another bank who will now view that as REAL money (not debt money) that THEY have even though the first bank is still viewing YOUR $45 as real money too. of course they'll charge interest on both loans even though one of them wasn't backed by anything.
bank #2 who gets the deposit from company x can lend out about 40 bucks.
So we started with only $50 in circulation. we wound up with 90 right? 40 was created "out of thin air".
if we look at all the banks as one big bank that bank has been able to make multiple loans on a single deposit. I think there's like 78 times more loans than there are deposits in the world.
Sir Josiah Stamp, Director of the Bank of England,1928-41, said......." The modern banking system manufacturers money out of nothing. The process is perhaps the most astounding piece of sleight of hand ever created. Banking was conceived an iniquity & born in sin. Bankers own the earth....
i believe that the vast majority of money in our economy was created this way...not by mint.
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Scenario B:
I earn my $100, I keep $50.00 of it for my home expenses, then with the extra $50.00 rather than figuring out who to lend it to... I deposit to a bank... and the banks lends out $45.00 to company X (Req. to keep 10% reserve).
PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME EXACTLY WHY do you think Scenario B uses made up counterfeit money And PRETEND its happening in the 1800’s BEFORE we went off the gold standard.
The counterfeit money is not in that transaction. It's in the next one. once the bank loans out the $45 to company X - company x puts it back into the economy and it winds up at another bank who will now view that as REAL money that THEY have even though the first bank is still viewing YOUR $45 as real money too. of course they'll charge interest on both loans even though one of them wasn't backed by anything.
bank #2 who gets the deposit from company x can lend out about 40 bucks.
So we started with only $50 in circulation. we wound up with 90 right? 40 was created "out of thin air".
Good... Im glad you said that.... And you are absolutely right... this is basic money exansion.
Now lets look back at your scenario 'A' where banks cant lend other people's money!!! I want you to focus before you read the following paragraph... so clear your mind a bit.
I take the 50 and lend it to Company 'X'... Now Company 'X' TAKES that money and it puts into the economy (In the EXACT SAME way that you stated (Lets say Comapny X uses that 50 to buy Equipment from Company Z.) Now Company 'Z' Has the money. Now... under Your scenario 'A', Company Z cannot use a bank to deposit that $50.00 so what does it do???? It Lends it by itself using no intermediary to Company Q. (Again.. .the same exact scenario could potentially happen with a bank as an intermediary, but since this is not allowed... Company Z had to to it by itself... just like in the first example
THe important thing to understand is that The EXACT SAME THING IS HAPPENING>>> the expansion is still happening withOUT the intermediary of the bank.
Now, there is no question that the banks are adding liquidity, speeding up the process..and making the lenders LESS involved. BUT expansion (Or what you call.... creating counterfeit money from thin air) STILL HAPPENS!!!!!
the only way to stop this expansion... or (counterfeiting), is for Company Z, or whoever has that $50... to take it and put in under their mattress or a cookie jar, or burn it. If this is done, it will typically cause a depression.
So I will ask you again... do you still believe that this process of expansion (counterfeiting) can ONLY happen with banks being used as the intermediary?
Also... Who told you this in the first place???? I know a LOT of Gold Standard supporters, there are some in this forum... and I have NEVER heard ONE of them suggest that Banks shouldnt be allowed to lend on other people's behalf. They just believe that money should be backed by Gold... like before 1933.
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"So I will ask you again... do you still believe that this process of expansion (counterfeiting) can ONLY happen with banks being used as the intermediary?
Also... Who told you this in the first place???? I know a LOT of Gold Standard supporters, there are some in this forum... and I have NEVER heard ONE of them suggest that Banks shouldnt be allowed to lend on other people's behalf. They just believe that money should be backed by Gold... like before 1933."
when did i say the expansion could only happen with a bank?
people can also act as banks.
but even if that sort of expansion would occur in your scenario that would be far preferable to the system we have now. since absolute power corrupts absolutely you would want the creditors to be diffused as much as possible... let the government "put it under the mattress" if the money supply becomes too great and let the government issue the money in the first place instead of giving the power over to a small group of eugenicist, power mad, former Nazi SS soldier financere bankers.
moving to a gold standard leaves room for PLENTY of abuses especially when you can lend more gold than you have. besides, these bankers own nearly all the gold so switching over to gold would still leave them in power.
there are many many alternatives to the current system. you don't like my solution? fine! books have been written on the topic proposing alternative solutions and it's high time we started considering them because when the economy collapses the bankers will propose their new system (a global currency/government run by a world bank owned and run by bankers) and if nobody presents an alternative they will win the day and the pepetual debt slavery will become global and thier power consummate.
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I mean could there be a more ridicolous system than this one? one in which if everyone pays off their debts we're all broke? brian, isn't that nuts?
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i think a gold standards is nuts too. Why should we be limited by how much gold there is? that's so random. it's just a metal. why shouldn't we be able to create more wealth just because they haven't found more gold? money should be given in exchange for doing ANYTHING that's valuable to society...not just finding gold. as long as people keep doing valuable things, inveting valuable things, and producing valuable things we should all get richer and richer....an ideal system would find away to make sure that money always tracks value.
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let the government "put it under the mattress" if the money supply becomes too great and let the government issue the money in the first place instead of giving the power over to a small group of eugenicist, power mad, former Nazi SS soldier financere bankers.
The problem is that when the government has direct control of the money supply it will misuse its power 99% of the time, even if its well-meaning. Imagine if you allowed Obama direct control over the printing press... we would have inflation like youve never seen before. He wouldnt need to raise taxes... he'd just start printing money... and could get his money MUCH quicker and more efficiently.
Wherever you see hyperinflation.. its because those who have control of fiscal policies ALSO have control over the printing press... and wherever you see low, stable inflation... you have a central bank that is independent from the government. But yes... If Bernarke has EVIL intentions or is just plain stupid... he can obliterate our economy in a split second.
I hope you feel better. ;D
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Mdub. People like you come out of the woodwork and some people actually start to believe you when the economy is bad. The only reason this current economic situation happened was economic institutions lifted their regulations and started to see a profit in approving loans to more people who (due to lowering the 20% down on homes) subsequently couldn't pay them. The loans got blended into REITs and worldwide institutions invested in them. The world has always had confidence in America's economy and the American dream so people invested in these REITS thinking they would keep on improving. What they didn't know was that on the ground level of America, minorities and immoral Americans were not into paying their bills because they all felt they could be like an infomercial or Robin Leech's "Rich and Famous" by just getting a loan and selling it to another sucker later. Everyone thought they were Donald Trump.
you['re focusing on the extrenal trappings of the problem but not the root causes. behind everything you['re saying lies the ablity of a few small and corrupt group of people to inject more money (i.e. loans i.e. debt) into the economy whenever they want without restrictions.
that group of people are the owners of the major private banks who have formed the most powerful special interest groups in the world kjnown as bildeberg, the cfr and the trilateral commission. they DO have a stranglehold on the political and economic scene and a little research on your part would reveal that fact. show me a president and a presidential administration that wasn't riddled with members of these groups. show me even a serious head of a committe in congress that didn't have their blessings. even sarah palin has to kiss butt to kissinger (cfr, bildeber and trilateral) and support the TARP banker bill to get anywhere near the presidency.
then you need to research these groups and see what their agenda is. many of their documents are public and their plans should scare teh hell out of you. what im' trying to get you to do is think outside the box. realize that until you uproot these speical interest groups from government and change this outrageous monetary system nothing will change.
i like idealistic people who want to make the world better...i want you to focus your energies on the top of pyramid exactly where they don't want you to look (notice how you werne't taught a damn thing about how money is created in school...there's a good reason for that...)
you know, many people would agree with you that there is a movement to create a system that has worldwide control. What you say that does not make sense is that the banks control schools to not teach us about money or where it comes from. To say that teachers are being controlled and that school systems are all 100% contolled by a few banks defies logic. There are constant disagreements at JTF, never mind a worldwide organization controlled by banks. One thing from humanity that you are ignoring is that people rarely keep their mouths shut. With something that big, someone would say something. I'm sure you will come back and say that there are those trying to warn us but if you can give me a former member who did talk about the secret plans and that we're missing it, I'd love to hear about it. I looked into the trilateral commission and the bilderburg group and they are organizations that half the senators and presidents would belong to. Politicians are part of hundreds of organizations to get as much involvement with businesses, community organizations and unions as possible to get support. These things are pretty much out in the open. Yes, there are concerns with the WTO, World Bank, and especially a World Court and a New World Order. The people who support these ideas are very open about it and don't hide. They talk about promoting globalization and international rule of law any chance they get. The thing that doesn't make sense is to say the system we have is not as good as trading cattle for corn. We need a bank to control a currency so the standard paper we use, called money, isn't useless. I know that
I get paid money so I can buy things I need or want. If it's not enough, I'll find another line of work. What is a conspiracy is that people want illegal immigrants to come here so they can drive down the price of labor and to get votes for their party. I've always known that if I have a dollar in my pocket, I can go and get things with it and that's worked for 30+ years very well for me.
I feel like I just wasted my time for about five minutes even responding to this.
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Mdub. People like you come out of the woodwork and some people actually start to believe you when the economy is bad. The only reason this current economic situation happened was economic institutions lifted their regulations and started to see a profit in approving loans to more people who (due to lowering the 20% down on homes) subsequently couldn't pay them. The loans got blended into REITs and worldwide institutions invested in them. The world has always had confidence in America's economy and the American dream so people invested in these REITS thinking they would keep on improving. What they didn't know was that on the ground level of America, minorities and immoral Americans were not into paying their bills because they all felt they could be like an infomercial or Robin Leech's "Rich and Famous" by just getting a loan and selling it to another sucker later. Everyone thought they were Donald Trump.
you['re focusing on the extrenal trappings of the problem but not the root causes. behind everything you['re saying lies the ablity of a few small and corrupt group of people to inject more money (i.e. loans i.e. debt) into the economy whenever they want without restrictions.
that group of people are the owners of the major private banks who have formed the most powerful special interest groups in the world kjnown as bildeberg, the cfr and the trilateral commission. they DO have a stranglehold on the political and economic scene and a little research on your part would reveal that fact. show me a president and a presidential administration that wasn't riddled with members of these groups. show me even a serious head of a committe in congress that didn't have their blessings. even sarah palin has to kiss butt to kissinger (cfr, bildeber and trilateral) and support the TARP banker bill to get anywhere near the presidency.
then you need to research these groups and see what their agenda is. many of their documents are public and their plans should scare teh hell out of you. what im' trying to get you to do is think outside the box. realize that until you uproot these speical interest groups from government and change this outrageous monetary system nothing will change.
i like idealistic people who want to make the world better...i want you to focus your energies on the top of pyramid exactly where they don't want you to look (notice how you werne't taught a damn thing about how money is created in school...there's a good reason for that...)
you know, many people would agree with you that there is a movement to create a system that has worldwide control. What you say that does not make sense is that the banks control schools to not teach us about money or where it comes from. To say that teachers are being controlled and that school systems are all 100% contolled by a few banks defies logic. There are constant disagreements at JTF, never mind a worldwide organization controlled by banks. One thing from humanity that you are ignoring is that people rarely keep their mouths shut. With something that big, someone would say something. I'm sure you will come back and say that there are those trying to warn us but if you can give me a former member who did talk about the secret plans and that we're missing it, I'd love to hear about it. I looked into the trilateral commission and the bilderburg group and they are organizations that half the senators and presidents would belong to. Politicians are part of hundreds of organizations to get as much involvement with businesses, community organizations and unions as possible to get support. These things are pretty much out in the open. Yes, there are concerns with the WTO, World Bank, and especially a World Court and a New World Order. The people who support these ideas are very open about it and don't hide. They talk about promoting globalization and international rule of law any chance they get. The thing that doesn't make sense is to say the system we have is not as good as trading cattle for corn. We need a bank to control a currency so the standard paper we use, called money, isn't useless. I know that
I get paid money so I can buy things I need or want. If it's not enough, I'll find another line of work. What is a conspiracy is that people want illegal immigrants to come here so they can drive down the price of labor and to get votes for their party. I've always known that if I have a dollar in my pocket, I can go and get things with it and that's worked for 30+ years very well for me.
I feel like I just wasted my time for about five minutes even responding to this.
LOL! This guy admits he just found out about CFR/tri-lat/bildeberg today yet he's ready to speak authoratatively about how powerful they are and how powerful they aren't! :::D
one google search is not called "research" my friend. you need to read some books on the topic. you'll be amazed at what you learn.
Let me tell you something else. You have no idea how good the elites are at keeping secrets. they didn't become elites by being petty and stupid.
they control money. you guys fighting with eachother control nothing. they smart. you stupid. get it? when power over the world's money supply is at stake you'd be amazed at how well these guys work together and can keep their mouths shut. and if they don't work with them? they buy them out. if they can't buy them out they kill them (see what happend to...lincoln...mcfadden...jfk...more recently bill cooper and pretty much anyone else who effectively speaks out against the banking cartel eventually gets knocked off)
ever heard of the stealth bomber? sure you have! well when you found out about it had already been in existence for 20 years. just one small example of how the people at the top are better at keeping secrets than you could ever imagine.
bankers and other nwo types provide the funding behind the most prestigious ivy leauge colleges whom all the other colleges model themselves after and the public school system is run by the governement directly...a government that lives and dies by this debt based system and as I was trying to explain is also bought off bankers.
so don't try and tell me our schooling is not run by a pretty small group of people have have a vested interest in keeping the current system going...it won't go long if they public is educated about how their money really works.
you, for instance should spend your time studying the matter,but instead choose to stick yoru head in the sand and attack me for trying to bring it to your attention. good job "saving the west" with that attidude.
P.S. It's not as though every teacher is sat down with a banker and threatened. but they are taught by previous teachers who taught things one way and the A students become the teachers and the system perpetuates naturally.
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let the government "put it under the mattress" if the money supply becomes too great and let the government issue the money in the first place instead of giving the power over to a small group of eugenicist, power mad, former Nazi SS soldier financere bankers.
The problem is that when the government has direct control of the money supply it will misuse its power 99% of the time, even if its well-meaning. Imagine if you allowed Obama direct control over the printing press... we would have inflation like youve never seen before. He wouldnt need to raise taxes... he'd just start printing money... and could get his money MUCH quicker and more efficiently.
Wherever you see hyperinflation.. its because those who have control of fiscal policies ALSO have control over the printing press... and wherever you see low, stable inflation... you have a central bank that is independent from the government. But yes... If Bernarke has EVIL intentions or is just plain stupid... he can obliterate our economy in a split second.
I hope you feel better. ;D
brian,
I'm not asking this to attack you: I'm asking an honest question: can you explain to me in more detail how "new money" is created in the scenario where all the lenders are private? I think i understand it in thoery but i don't get how it would actually happen without any funny business.
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brian,
my other question: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Currency_component_of_the_US_money_supply_1959-2007.gif
Look at that graph of the money supply? can inflation get much worse than it is under this system? we're talking about a dollar that's now worth 4cents compared to what is was worth on the gold standard.
i mean they've almost completely bankrupted the currency with their creation of money...at least if it were under government control we could vote the bastards out. we can't vote these bankers out.
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mdub,
You ask many questions but do not answer any. I will ask a couple of new questions.
1) Do you know anyone who is productive and rich?
2) Do you own any property?
I ask because I am involved in software and hardware development in the Silicon Valley and this is a place where a lot of venture capital investments are created. I happen to know many very intelligent, resourceful, and rich people. All of these people worked on development of real products which are available in your electronics store right now. My company is also very resilient to the stock market and we have been increasing in value each day. This is not because of so-called 'counterfiet' money but because my company has out-done its predictions on growth year after year.
I ask the second question because anyone who has property would be aware that the market goes up and down in cycles. I have owned two houses, one in the early 90s and the second in the late 90s and both houses I bought on a down market. My house is still worth more than it was when I bought it in 98.
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mdub,
You ask many questions but do not answer any. I will ask a couple of new questions.
1) Do you know anyone who is productive and rich?
2) Do you own any property?
I ask because I am involved in software and hardware development in the Silicon Valley and this is a place where a lot of venture capital investments are created. I happen to know many very intelligent, resourceful, and rich people. All of these people worked on development of real products which are available in your electronics store right now. My company is also very resilient to the stock market and we have been increasing in value each day. This is not because of so-called 'counterfiet' money but because my company has out-done its predictions on growth year after year.
I ask the second question because anyone who has property would be aware that the market goes up and down in cycles. I have owned two houses, one in the early 90s and the second in the late 90s and both houses I bought on a down market. My house is still worth more than it was when I bought it in 98.
Muman,
I don't thik you get what I'm saying. if people are creating software that people want and making money I think that's FANTASTIC. What I'm against are people who find a way to get money without providing anything valuable to anyone.
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Mdub. People like you come out of the woodwork and some people actually start to believe you when the economy is bad. The only reason this current economic situation happened was economic institutions lifted their regulations and started to see a profit in approving loans to more people who (due to lowering the 20% down on homes) subsequently couldn't pay them. The loans got blended into REITs and worldwide institutions invested in them. The world has always had confidence in America's economy and the American dream so people invested in these REITS thinking they would keep on improving. What they didn't know was that on the ground level of America, minorities and immoral Americans were not into paying their bills because they all felt they could be like an infomercial or Robin Leech's "Rich and Famous" by just getting a loan and selling it to another sucker later. Everyone thought they were Donald Trump.
you['re focusing on the extrenal trappings of the problem but not the root causes. behind everything you['re saying lies the ablity of a few small and corrupt group of people to inject more money (i.e. loans i.e. debt) into the economy whenever they want without restrictions.
that group of people are the owners of the major private banks who have formed the most powerful special interest groups in the world kjnown as bildeberg, the cfr and the trilateral commission. they DO have a stranglehold on the political and economic scene and a little research on your part would reveal that fact. show me a president and a presidential administration that wasn't riddled with members of these groups. show me even a serious head of a committe in congress that didn't have their blessings. even sarah palin has to kiss butt to kissinger (cfr, bildeber and trilateral) and support the TARP banker bill to get anywhere near the presidency.
then you need to research these groups and see what their agenda is. many of their documents are public and their plans should scare teh hell out of you. what im' trying to get you to do is think outside the box. realize that until you uproot these speical interest groups from government and change this outrageous monetary system nothing will change.
i like idealistic people who want to make the world better...i want you to focus your energies on the top of pyramid exactly where they don't want you to look (notice how you werne't taught a damn thing about how money is created in school...there's a good reason for that...)
you know, many people would agree with you that there is a movement to create a system that has worldwide control. What you say that does not make sense is that the banks control schools to not teach us about money or where it comes from. To say that teachers are being controlled and that school systems are all 100% contolled by a few banks defies logic. There are constant disagreements at JTF, never mind a worldwide organization controlled by banks. One thing from humanity that you are ignoring is that people rarely keep their mouths shut. With something that big, someone would say something. I'm sure you will come back and say that there are those trying to warn us but if you can give me a former member who did talk about the secret plans and that we're missing it, I'd love to hear about it. I looked into the trilateral commission and the bilderburg group and they are organizations that half the senators and presidents would belong to. Politicians are part of hundreds of organizations to get as much involvement with businesses, community organizations and unions as possible to get support. These things are pretty much out in the open. Yes, there are concerns with the WTO, World Bank, and especially a World Court and a New World Order. The people who support these ideas are very open about it and don't hide. They talk about promoting globalization and international rule of law any chance they get. The thing that doesn't make sense is to say the system we have is not as good as trading cattle for corn. We need a bank to control a currency so the standard paper we use, called money, isn't useless. I know that
I get paid money so I can buy things I need or want. If it's not enough, I'll find another line of work. What is a conspiracy is that people want illegal immigrants to come here so they can drive down the price of labor and to get votes for their party. I've always known that if I have a dollar in my pocket, I can go and get things with it and that's worked for 30+ years very well for me.
I feel like I just wasted my time for about five minutes even responding to this.
LOL! This guy admits he just found out about CFR/tri-lat/bildeberg today yet he's ready to speak authoratatively about how powerful they are and how powerful they aren't! :::D
one google search is not called "research" my friend. you need to read some books on the topic. you'll be amazed at what you learn.
Let me tell you something else. You have no idea how good the elites are at keeping secrets. they didn't become elites by being petty and stupid.
they control money. you guys fighting with eachother control nothing. they smart. you stupid. get it? when power over the world's money supply is at stake you'd be amazed at how well these guys work together and can keep their mouths shut. and if they don't work with them? they buy them out. if they can't buy them out they kill them (see what happend to...lincoln...mcfadden...jfk...more recently bill cooper and pretty much anyone else who effectively speaks out against the banking cartel eventually gets knocked off)
ever heard of the stealth bomber? sure you have! well when you found out about it had already been in existence for 20 years. just one small example of how the people at the top are better at keeping secrets than you could ever imagine.
bankers and other nwo types provide the funding behind the most prestigious ivy leauge colleges whom all the other colleges model themselves after and the public school system is run by the governement directly...a government that lives and dies by this debt based system and as I was trying to explain is also bought off bankers.
so don't try and tell me our schooling is not run by a pretty small group of people have have a vested interest in keeping the current system going...it won't go long if they public is educated about how their money really works.
you, for instance should spend your time studying the matter,but instead choose to stick yoru head in the sand and attack me for trying to bring it to your attention. good job "saving the west" with that attidude.
P.S. It's not as though every teacher is sat down with a banker and threatened. but they are taught by previous teachers who taught things one way and the A students become the teachers and the system perpetuates naturally.
It's absurd to think that every teacher and professor takes the information they learned from their professors and just parrots that exact information to students. Education has had so many different forms from Montessori schools to Catholic schools to Baptist colleges to liberal arts colleges. The idea that all the teachers and professors don't come up with their own agendas, ideas and just have some generic financial information that they give to all students is so stupid that I can't believe you'd even entertain the thought. Every teacher comes up with their own analysis to give to students and professors also have radically different approaches to education. Especially in the university level, discussion and new ideas are something even liberal colleges often tolerate. Are most professors liberal? Yes, because there are countless surveys that demonstrate this and my experience and the experience of hundreds of people I've met and talked to has proven that. Do professors all have the same syllabus given to them by the banks, come on! ??? Actually, every professor I've had, has been critical of many aspects of the financial system. Look at the unbelievabley massive changes in education from the 1950's to today. It has done a complete 180 but you again think somehow that they all are given textbooks that they just read and don't think about.
I've heard conspiracy theories in detail for many years and looked into the specifics you mentioned. So there are probably some world leaders who would like to extend global leadership and global agendas. I oppose this but they don't control history from Lincoln until today. That is complete stupidity that has been disproven time and again and rigorously documented. conspiracy nuts like you disappear when the facts are presented by historians who have proof of the assassination of Lincoln by John Wilkes Booth. You are so out of your mind that you would never dare admit you don't know something because it would show your silly take on the world has been disproven time and again.
One of the real conspiracies are for people like Alex Jones to sell books, movies and other garbage for $29.99 plus shipping and handling. I'm not going to argue the entire history of the world with someone who questions basics of history that have tirelessly been proven time and again. Just to recite the Lincoln assassination, takes thousands of pages by people much smarter than you or I and yet you'll switch the topic when proven wrong.
Do your research and see a psychologist about your paranoia problem. I don't want to pick up another book by a madman who thinks the world is flat. I'm sure that's your next conspiracy.
You never even talk specifics or give sources. Just call into question the entire banking system, finance, world history, religion and then expect somone to respond in one paragraph.
Also, watch out for that probe from the aliens!