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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: MasterWolf1 on July 14, 2009, 07:55:13 PM
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I want to support her, but I am starting to doubt her.
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I have no doubts in her, and I think it will be wise for a while to put this on sticky so it won't get lost with other threads. I will leave it sticky for a while. I love her and in full support of her.
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Maybe she'll be elected president only to resign during a military crisis. After all, think how much she could make hawking her presidential autobiography on Oprah. Sheesh!
My steadfast opinion is that, like him or hate him, barring some unforeseen scandal or catastrophe, Mitt Romney is next up for the White House. No one will support Obongo when the unemployment rate is above 15% as it will be in 2012. Unfortunately, we have 3 1/2 years of this big-eared gibbon to go.
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I, of course will support Palin and help her, but quitting on the job? I cannot support her for Presidency, if there will even be a Presidency.
I could see her strong on a good staff, IF there are ANY leaders out there in USA anymore.
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I, of course will support Palin and help her, but quitting on the job? I cannot support her for Presidency, if there will even be a Presidency.
I could see her strong on a good staff, IF there are ANY leaders out there in USA anymore.
Good point. Given the idiocy of the American people and the current trend in the White House, I suppose we could see the crowning of the first emperor of the United States, Obama I, by 2012.
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If Palin run against Obama in 2012, yes, I would support her. But as of now I am a Mitt Romney supporter. Only time will tell.
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I think the "idiocy of the American people" that was mentioned above was what made Mrs. Palin so popular. It's also funny that some conservatives are just now saying that they wouldn't be able to support her since she resigned as governor. All of the other mindless blathering and nonsense, that was fine, but this is too much.
Quitting has actually been the smartest, most sensible thing this woman has done since garnering all this spotlight.
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I think the "idiocy of the American people" that was mentioned above was what made Mrs. Palin so popular. It's also funny that some conservatives are just now saying that they wouldn't be able to support her since she resigned as governor. All of the other mindless blathering and nonsense, that was fine, but this is too much.
Quitting has actually been the smartest, most sensible thing this woman has done since garnering all this spotlight.
Rational Minority, I dont know how old you are, but I think you are a DISRESPECTFUL JERK. Hows that? I had a Blog FOR PALIN, during her WHOLE CAMPAIGN and this board supported her 100%. Go look at Chaims JTF videos on her, we DID NOT attack PALIN. Chaim, the LEADER loves Palin.
But--Palin was NOT a real conservative, she was GOP. REAL right wingers and conservatives DONT HAVE 17 year old daughters KNOCKED UP.
You DO REALIZE that we are in a HORRIBLE time and it is NECESSARY that a STRONG MAN be raised up, by G-d if NEEDS BE, and it even possible that a race war, a civil revolt or something like THIS is bound to happen??
WE NEED A STRONG MAN LIKE PATTON.
Older JTFers- WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY do these NEW people just come to these boards and act like RUDE, RETARDED, NASTY, EXCREMENT?
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AsheDina, the young are often brainwashed and confused. Let them enter the real world and find out the way things really are.
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I think the "idiocy of the American people" that was mentioned above was what made Mrs. Palin so popular. It's also funny that some conservatives are just now saying that they wouldn't be able to support her since she resigned as governor. All of the other mindless blathering and nonsense, that was fine, but this is too much.
Quitting has actually been the smartest, most sensible thing this woman has done since garnering all this spotlight.
Rational Minority, I dont know how old you are, but I think you are a DISRESPECTFUL JERK. Hows that? I had a Blog FOR PALIN, during her WHOLE CAMPAIGN and this board supported her 100%. Go look at Chaims JTF videos on her, we DID NOT attack PALIN. Chaim, the LEADER loves Palin.
But--Palin was NOT a real conservative, she was GOP. REAL right wingers and conservatives DONT HAVE 17 year old daughters KNOCKED UP.
You DO REALIZE that we are in a HORRIBLE time and it is NECESSARY that a STRONG MAN be raised up, by G-d if NEEDS BE, and it even possible that a race war, a civil revolt or something like THIS is bound to happen??
WE NEED A STRONG MAN LIKE PATTON.
Older JTFers- WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY do these NEW people just come to these boards and act like RUDE, RETARDED, NASTY, EXCREMENT?
First, let's help Chiam take over Israel and then he can show America how it's done. He will help America to have the courage to select a powerful and Constitutionally sound leader to restore the republic.
As for the trolls, their behavior is so strange that I speculate that at least some are likely trying to be a fifth column of Peace Now activists who are here to sow dissent. They will not succeed.
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I think the "idiocy of the American people" that was mentioned above was what made Mrs. Palin so popular. It's also funny that some conservatives are just now saying that they wouldn't be able to support her since she resigned as governor. All of the other mindless blathering and nonsense, that was fine, but this is too much.
Quitting has actually been the smartest, most sensible thing this woman has done since garnering all this spotlight.
Rational Minority, I dont know how old you are, but I think you are a DISRESPECTFUL JERK. Hows that? I had a Blog FOR PALIN, during her WHOLE CAMPAIGN and this board supported her 100%. Go look at Chaims JTF videos on her, we DID NOT attack PALIN. Chaim, the LEADER loves Palin.
But--Palin was NOT a real conservative, she was GOP. REAL right wingers and conservatives DONT HAVE 17 year old daughters KNOCKED UP.
You DO REALIZE that we are in a HORRIBLE time and it is NECESSARY that a STRONG MAN be raised up, by G-d if NEEDS BE, and it even possible that a race war, a civil revolt or something like THIS is bound to happen??
WE NEED A STRONG MAN LIKE PATTON.
Older JTFers- WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY do these NEW people just come to these boards and act like RUDE, RETARDED, NASTY, EXCREMENT?
Actually, from what I've read on these boards, I was under the impression that most members were younger. The petty, cliquish, backwards drivel I've read is quite indicative of kids in high school who can't play nice with others. You know, the ones who bully and mock others who are different from them? In all seriousness, though, I know better. Bigotry as intense and flagrant as this can only come from adults who have been taught or brainwashed as they grew up. Mr. Pesach seems to be succeeding in that arena ("Chaim the LEADER"...what flavor of Kool-Aid did you have, AsheDina? I'll guess cherry.)
What I have seen here is a very seasoned hatred, and it's sad. Most of you probably don't even think you're doing or saying anything wrong, either. People this extreme do not seem to have the ability to step outside of their faith and see that the things they say and do are indeed quite negative, and it paints a very unflattering picture of the faith group of which they are a part. Another problem, as I see it, is that you all seem to approach problems by starting with your own conclusions. Perhaps this is why there are no real answers to certain questions. Beliefs do not equal facts, and there is no way that any of us can have all the answers. To assume you do is arrogant and small-minded. I'd like to mention, too, that most of this really just boils down to geography. I highly doubt that you'd speak so strongly in favor of Judaism if you had all been born in, say, Japan. And if you'd been born in Iran, you'd be believing the same thing that you despise others for right now. It has to do with where you're born and how you're taught. I'm sure there are exceptions, but I'd guess that that is true for the majority of people. Religion isn't something you automatically know, it's something you're told about. That being said, why argue about different religions at all? Why pre-judge people based upon their faiths? Maybe you are right. Maybe they're right. Maybe some other religion is right. Why does it matter? Why dedicate your life to talking about how horrible a certain group or groups of people are? Why take something that's supposed to inspire hope, peace, and love, and turn it into this? Why not just be a good person? I mean, I've read threads in which members have wished cancer on people. Cancer. Seriously? That's how you honor your God? That's disgusting and inhuman, and those who have done that and continue to do things like that should be ashamed of themselves.
I really hope that some of you actually think about these things. I know the overwhelming majority of you believe me to be some boorish troll, and so I'm probably wasting my time with this. It'll probably be just one more thing for you to have a laugh at before returning to your discussions on 'Quranimals' and 'Schwarzas'. I fully expect to be banned in order to restore the 'peace' around here, which is probably what happens to all those who dare question extraordinary claims of the JTF.
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Irrational minority, what you wrote is a pathetic piece of demagogy typical to the "citizen of the world".
It is noteworthy how you speak about your own opinion:
In all seriousness, though, I know better.
And of course all the others are equally inferior to you:
Maybe you are right. Maybe they're right. Maybe some other religion is right. Why does it matter?
If you so disagree with this forum, why are you still here?
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I think the "idiocy of the American people" that was mentioned above was what made Mrs. Palin so popular. It's also funny that some conservatives are just now saying that they wouldn't be able to support her since she resigned as governor. All of the other mindless blathering and nonsense, that was fine, but this is too much.
Quitting has actually been the smartest, most sensible thing this woman has done since garnering all this spotlight.
Rational Minority, I dont know how old you are, but I think you are a DISRESPECTFUL JERK. Hows that? I had a Blog FOR PALIN, during her WHOLE CAMPAIGN and this board supported her 100%. Go look at Chaims JTF videos on her, we DID NOT attack PALIN. Chaim, the LEADER loves Palin.
But--Palin was NOT a real conservative, she was GOP. REAL right wingers and conservatives DONT HAVE 17 year old daughters KNOCKED UP.
You DO REALIZE that we are in a HORRIBLE time and it is NECESSARY that a STRONG MAN be raised up, by G-d if NEEDS BE, and it even possible that a race war, a civil revolt or something like THIS is bound to happen??
WE NEED A STRONG MAN LIKE PATTON.
Older JTFers- WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY do these NEW people just come to these boards and act like RUDE, RETARDED, NASTY, EXCREMENT?
Actually, from what I've read on these boards, I was under the impression that most members were younger. The petty, cliquish, backwards drivel I've read is quite indicative of kids in high school who can't play nice with others. You know, the ones who bully and mock others who are different from them? In all seriousness, though, I know better. Bigotry as intense and flagrant as this can only come from adults who have been taught or brainwashed as they grew up. Mr. Pesach seems to be succeeding in that arena ("Chaim the LEADER"...what flavor of Kool-Aid did you have, AsheDina? I'll guess cherry.)
What I have seen here is a very seasoned hatred, and it's sad. Most of you probably don't even think you're doing or saying anything wrong, either. People this extreme do not seem to have the ability to step outside of their faith and see that the things they say and do are indeed quite negative, and it paints a very unflattering picture of the faith group of which they are a part. Another problem, as I see it, is that you all seem to approach problems by starting with your own conclusions. Perhaps this is why there are no real answers to certain questions. Beliefs do not equal facts, and there is no way that any of us can have all the answers. To assume you do is arrogant and small-minded. I'd like to mention, too, that most of this really just boils down to geography. I highly doubt that you'd speak so strongly in favor of Judaism if you had all been born in, say, Japan. And if you'd been born in Iran, you'd be believing the same thing that you despise others for right now. It has to do with where you're born and how you're taught. I'm sure there are exceptions, but I'd guess that that is true for the majority of people. Religion isn't something you automatically know, it's something you're told about. That being said, why argue about different religions at all? Why pre-judge people based upon their faiths? Maybe you are right. Maybe they're right. Maybe some other religion is right. Why does it matter? Why dedicate your life to talking about how horrible a certain group or groups of people are? Why take something that's supposed to inspire hope, peace, and love, and turn it into this? Why not just be a good person? I mean, I've read threads in which members have wished cancer on people. Cancer. Seriously? That's how you honor your G-d? That's disgusting and inhuman, and those who have done that and continue to do things like that should be ashamed of themselves.
I really hope that some of you actually think about these things. I know the overwhelming majority of you believe me to be some boorish troll, and so I'm probably wasting my time with this. It'll probably be just one more thing for you to have a laugh at before returning to your discussions on 'Quranimals' and 'Schwarzas'. I fully expect to be banned in order to restore the 'peace' around here, which is probably what happens to all those who dare question extraordinary claims of the JTF.
You are a jerk.
You dont know ANY of us, and whats more is that you are as the SAME person on my thread that just JUDGES. We judge people on how they ACT, NOT people as a WHOLE. Some people are angrier than others, so before you start your Joan of Arc crap, you COULD have gotten to KNOW some people and DECIDE for YOURSELF who you liked or DONT LIKE.
Some people here have gotten beaten up by black people, some Jews here have had black anti-semitism geared AT THEM. Many here have been victims of race and illegal crimes, so if they want to VENT, THAT IS THEIR DAMNED PREROGATIVE. Stop stifling people from BECOMING horrible RACISTS. If they DONT VENT, they will keep it INSIDE and it will FESTER.
YOU KNOW WHAT?? YOU DO NOT CARE TO HEAL THE WOUNDS OF AMERICA, just here to pick, nitpick and offer your 'nobility'
Well,
Take you 'nobility' and shove it up your A $$.
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I think the "idiocy of the American people" that was mentioned above was what made Mrs. Palin so popular. It's also funny that some conservatives are just now saying that they wouldn't be able to support her since she resigned as governor. All of the other mindless blathering and nonsense, that was fine, but this is too much.
Quitting has actually been the smartest, most sensible thing this woman has done since garnering all this spotlight.
Rational Minority, I dont know how old you are, but I think you are a DISRESPECTFUL JERK. Hows that? I had a Blog FOR PALIN, during her WHOLE CAMPAIGN and this board supported her 100%. Go look at Chaims JTF videos on her, we DID NOT attack PALIN. Chaim, the LEADER loves Palin.
But--Palin was NOT a real conservative, she was GOP. REAL right wingers and conservatives DONT HAVE 17 year old daughters KNOCKED UP.
You DO REALIZE that we are in a HORRIBLE time and it is NECESSARY that a STRONG MAN be raised up, by G-d if NEEDS BE, and it even possible that a race war, a civil revolt or something like THIS is bound to happen??
WE NEED A STRONG MAN LIKE PATTON.
Older JTFers- WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY do these NEW people just come to these boards and act like RUDE, RETARDED, NASTY, EXCREMENT?
Actually, from what I've read on these boards, I was under the impression that most members were younger. The petty, cliquish, backwards drivel I've read is quite indicative of kids in high school who can't play nice with others. You know, the ones who bully and mock others who are different from them? In all seriousness, though, I know better. Bigotry as intense and flagrant as this can only come from adults who have been taught or brainwashed as they grew up. Mr. Pesach seems to be succeeding in that arena ("Chaim the LEADER"...what flavor of Kool-Aid did you have, AsheDina? I'll guess cherry.)
What I have seen here is a very seasoned hatred, and it's sad. Most of you probably don't even think you're doing or saying anything wrong, either. People this extreme do not seem to have the ability to step outside of their faith and see that the things they say and do are indeed quite negative, and it paints a very unflattering picture of the faith group of which they are a part. Another problem, as I see it, is that you all seem to approach problems by starting with your own conclusions. Perhaps this is why there are no real answers to certain questions. Beliefs do not equal facts, and there is no way that any of us can have all the answers. To assume you do is arrogant and small-minded. I'd like to mention, too, that most of this really just boils down to geography. I highly doubt that you'd speak so strongly in favor of Judaism if you had all been born in, say, Japan. And if you'd been born in Iran, you'd be believing the same thing that you despise others for right now. It has to do with where you're born and how you're taught. I'm sure there are exceptions, but I'd guess that that is true for the majority of people. Religion isn't something you automatically know, it's something you're told about. That being said, why argue about different religions at all? Why pre-judge people based upon their faiths? Maybe you are right. Maybe they're right. Maybe some other religion is right. Why does it matter? Why dedicate your life to talking about how horrible a certain group or groups of people are? Why take something that's supposed to inspire hope, peace, and love, and turn it into this? Why not just be a good person? I mean, I've read threads in which members have wished cancer on people. Cancer. Seriously? That's how you honor your G-d? That's disgusting and inhuman, and those who have done that and continue to do things like that should be ashamed of themselves.
I really hope that some of you actually think about these things. I know the overwhelming majority of you believe me to be some boorish troll, and so I'm probably wasting my time with this. It'll probably be just one more thing for you to have a laugh at before returning to your discussions on 'Quranimals' and 'Schwarzas'. I fully expect to be banned in order to restore the 'peace' around here, which is probably what happens to all those who dare question extraordinary claims of the JTF.
Do you need an oxygen mask to breath correctly on the high liberal pedestal you preach from? People like you make me sick. I have been around long enough to see what liberal policies like yours have done to America. As the numbers of third world filth contaminate this once great country they are making it worse then the hellhole they came from. Don't come here telling us to open our minds to your liberal claptrap because its garbage like you spout that has made things the way they are. I personally hope they don't ban you because I could use someone like you on this board to really let loose. You think you seen bigotry brother you don't even know the start of it. When you have seen better you know how low things have become and I have. All you have to do is open a paper or put on the nightly news and you see the reason why.... The jails are a live testimonial to exactly who the problems are.
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SHE is an IDIOT CJD. MARXISM is ALL about 'racism' -So is FASCISM which IS what is happening, but this NUT REFUSES to SEE that WE are the ones that are being persecuted, NOT the POOR minorities, what a DUPE SHE is. WE ARE the MINORITY NOW and the USURPER IN CHIEF is ALLOWING ALL of the 3rd worlders IN, I hope this MORONS Home gets ROBBED.
Did this vomit-slob watch Wrights videos or is that a CONVENIENTLY forgotten FACT?
She knows that if a WHITE person EVER did what WRIGHT did in this so-called "White-Christian" nation, (yeah right) he/she would be thrown to the LIONS, this person is a JERK and makes me SICK TOO.
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REV WRONG:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdJB-qkfUHc
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So you think it's a she..... Well I won't be put off by that fact I will still respond to what she says with what needs to be said. All the crazy liberals are now on the same page. If you say something they don't like they make like its a capital offense against society. They feel they can brow beat people into submission by calling them racists and bigots and telling them how dumb and backwards they are. Well I got news for her it or him. It is what it is and if it doesn't like it it can tell it's story walking
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Cjd, ALL liberals are "SHE's" wuss's
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None of this has anything to do with being liberal, guys. It's about being civilized.
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None of this has anything to do with being liberal, guys. It's about being civilized.
Okay, I'll take a stab at this. If you cite the extraordinary claims, I will attempt to have a civilized discussion.
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Well, one claim I've seen a lot is that Muslims are all inherently evil. How can that be said of any group? Is that just an exaggeration out of frustration, or is it a serious belief?
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Well, one claim I've seen a lot is that Muslims are all inherently evil. How can that be said of any group? Is that just an exaggeration out of frustration, or is it a serious belief?
Well I don't know what to say here there is a hell of an exaggeration down at what was the world trade center complex in New York. I don't think it was caused by bible believing Christians. That's just the most infamous examples we could go on for days listing all the Innocent people kill by muslim animals.
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But not all Muslims support terrorist acts, though. That's what I'm trying to get at here. How can a whole group of people be condemned based upon the actions of a few?
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But not all Muslims support terrorist acts, though. That's what I'm trying to get at here. How can a whole group of people be condemned based upon the actions of a few?
It's more then a few. Muslims all over the country were dancing in the streets in muslim neighborhoods of the United States on 9-11. Why didn't the so called good muslims come out and tell them to stop and say that this is not acceptable. No other group danced in the streets only the sick demented muslim animals.
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AsheDina, the young are often brainwashed and confused. Let them enter the real world and find out the way things really are.
Aint that the truth. They seem to still think that the blacks have it bad and that all the illegals should be able to come here and take our jobs away.
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But not all Muslims support terrorist acts, though. That's what I'm trying to get at here. How can a whole group of people be condemned based upon the actions of a few?
Rational Minority; the actions of a 'few' really??
So tell us idiots here that the FBI uses for investigations about the Qu'ran, and terror cells operating here to KILL YOU-- tell the people here that know the hadiths all about these FEW Muslims.
Lets get something STRAIGHT, so you dont get to looking like a bigger a $$ than you already are.
A-rabs are NOT always Muslims.
"Not all terrorists are Muslim"
BUT
ALL Muslims are TERRORISTS
Why dont you take up for people that get their HEADS CHOPPED OFF by the religion of peace??
Honestly, the 'liberal tolerance' is EXASPERATING. Always taking up for EVIL, and NEVER the good.
Go get some EDUCATION on the 'religion of peace' ok?
From the HADITH:
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That the prophet wrote the marriage contract with her when she was six years old, and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old." (From the Hadith of Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Number 65)
Bukhari:V5B59N727 “When Allah’s Apostle became seriously sick, he started covering his face with a woolen sheet. When he felt short of breath, he removed it, and said, ‘That is so! Allah’s curse be on Jews and Christians.’”
Bukhari:V2B24N555 “I heard the Prophet say, ‘Allah hates for you for asking too many questions.’”
Bukhari:V6B60N662 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘Some eloquent speech is as effective as magic.’”
Bukhari:V4B52N260 “The Prophet said, ‘If a Muslim discards his religion, kill him.’”
Bukhari:V4B52N44 “A man came to Allah’s Apostle and said, ‘Instruct me as to such a deed as equals Jihad in reward.’ He replied, ‘I do not find such a deed.’”
Bukhari:V4B52N220 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘I have been made victorious with terror.’”
Bukhari:V1B2N25 “Allah’s Apostle was asked, ‘What is the best deed?’ He replied, ‘To believe in Allah and His Apostle Muhammad.’ The questioner then asked, ‘What is the next best in goodness?’ He replied, ‘To participate in Jihad, religious fighting in Allah's Cause.’”
Bukhari:V4B53N412 “Allah’s Apostle said on the day of the conquest of Mecca, ‘There is no migration now, only Jihad, holy battle. And when you are called for Jihad, you should come out at once.’”
Bukhari:V5B59N320 Allah’s Apostle said, ‘When your enemy comes near shoot at them but use your arrows sparingly
Bukhari:V4B52N53 “The Prophet said, ‘Nobody who dies and finds Paradise would wish to come back to this life even if he were given the whole world and whatever is in it, except the martyr who, on seeing the superiority of martyrdom, would like to come back to get killed again in Allah’s Cause.’”
Bukhari:V9B84N59 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: “None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.” Whoever says this will save his property and his life from me.’”
Bukhari:V1B1N6 “Just issue orders to kill every Jew in the country.”
Bukhari:V4B52N54 “The Prophet said, ‘Were it not for the believers who do not want to be without me, I would always go forth in army-units setting out for Jihad.’”
Bukhari:V4B52N175 “He heard the Prophet saying, ‘Paradise is granted to the first batch of my followers who will undertake a naval expedition.’ The Prophet then said, ‘The first army amongst my followers who will invade Caesar’s City will be forgiven their sins.’”
Bukhari:V3B48N826 “The Prophet said, ‘Isn’t the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?’ The women said, ‘Yes.’ He said, ‘This is because of the deficiency of a woman’s mind.’”
Bukhari:V4B52N259 “Allah’s Apostle sent us on a mission as a army unit and said, ‘If you find so-and-so and so-and-so, burn both of them with fire.’”
Bukhari:V4B54N487 “The Prophet said, ‘The Hell Fire is 69 times hotter than ordinary worldly fires.’ So someone said, ‘Allah’s Apostle, wouldn’t this ordinary fire have been sufficient to torture the unbelievers?’”
Bukhari:V4B52N137 The Prophet said, ‘Let the negro slave of Dinar perish. And if he is pierced with a thorn, let him not find anyone to take it out for him.... If he asks for anything it shall not be granted, and if he needs intercession [to get into paradise], his intercession will be denied.’”
Ishaq:530 “Get out of his way, you infidel unbelievers. Every good thing goes with the Apostle. Lord, I believe in his word. We will fight you about its interpretations as we have fought you about its revelation with strokes that will remove heads from shoulders and make enemies of friends.”
Ishaq:395 “Muslims, if you listen to the unbelievers you will retreat from the enemy and become losers. Ask Allah for victory and do not retreat, withdrawing from His religion. ‘We will terrorize those who disbelieve. In that way I will help you against them.’”
Ishaq:208 “When Allah gave permission to his Apostle to fight, the second Aqaba contained conditions involving war which were not in the first act of submission. Now we bound themselves to war against all mankind for Allah and His Apostle. He promised us a reward in Paradise for faithful service. We pledged ourselves to war in complete obedience to Muhammad no matter how evil the circumstances.”
Ishaq:572 “Muhammad is the man, an Apostle of my Lord. Evil was the state of our enemy so they lost the day. Fortunes change and we came upon them like lions from the thickets. The armies of Allah came openly, flying at them in rage, so they could not get away. We destroyed them and forced them to surrender. In the former days there was no battle like this; their blood flowed freely. We slew them and left them in the dust. Those who escaped were choked with terror. A multitude of them were slain. This is Allah’s war in which those who do not accept Islam will have no helper. War destroyed the tribe and fate the clan.”
Ishaq:324 “He said, ‘Fight them so that there is no more rebellion, and religion, all of it, is for Allah only. Allah must have no rivals.’”
Ishaq:595 “The Apostle said, ‘Get him away from me and cut off his tongue.””
Ishaq:510 “We ask Thee for the plunder of this town and its people. Forward in the name of Allah.’ He used to say this of every town he raided.”
Ishaq:327 “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”
Ishaq:325 “Muslims, fight in Allah’s Cause. Stand firm and you will prosper. Help the Prophet, obey him, give him your allegiance, and your religion will be victorious.”
Ishaq:587 “Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace.”
Ishaq:243 "I heard the Apostle say: ‘Whoever wants to see Satan should look at Nabtal!' He was a black man with long flowing hair, inflamed eyes, and dark ruddy cheeks…. Allah sent down concerning him: ‘To those who annoy the Prophet there is a painful doom." "Gabriel came to Muhammad and said, ‘If a black man comes to you his heart is more gross than a donkey's.'"
Ishaq:316 “In peace you are wild asses—rough and coarse. And in war you are like women wearing corsets. But I care not so long as my hand can grasp my trusty blade.”
Ishaq:489 War is kindled by passing winds. Our swords glitter, cutting through pugnacious heads. Allah puts obstacles in our victims’ way to protect His sacred property and our dignity
Ishaq:489 “Do the bastards think that we are not their equal in fighting? We are men who think that there is no shame in killing.”
Ishaq:584 “Tell the men with you who have wives: never trust a woman.”
Ishaq:316 “Following Badr, Muhammad sent a number of raiders with orders to capture some of the Meccans and burn them alive.”
Ishaq:374 “The black troops and slaves of the Meccans cried out and the Muslims replied, ‘Allah destroy your sight, you impious rascals.’”
Ishaq:450 "It is your folly to fight the Apostle, for Allah's army is bound to disgrace you. We brought them to the pit. Hell was their meeting place. We collected them there, black slaves, men of no descent.
Muslim:C31B20N4645 “The Prophet said: ‘Whoever cheerfully accepts Allah as his Lord, Islam as his Religion and Muhammad as his Apostle is necessarily entitled to enter Paradise.’ Abu wondered at it and said: ‘Messenger of Allah, repeat that for me.’ He did that and said: ‘There is another act which elevates the position of a man in Paradise to a grade one hundred (higher), and the elevation between one grade and the other is equal to the height of the heaven from the earth.’ Abu said: ‘What is that act?’ He replied: ‘Jihad in the Way of Allah! Jihad in Allah’s Cause!’”
Muslim:C40B20N4676 “Jihad Is Compulsory.”
Muslim:C9B1N31 “I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify to the fact that there is no god but Allah, and believe in me (that) I am the Messenger and in all that I have brought.”
Muslim:C34B20N4652-3 “The Merit Of Jihad And Of Keeping Vigilance Over The Enemy: A man came to the Holy Prophet and said: ‘Who is the best of men?’ He replied: ‘A man who fights staking his life and spending his wealth in Allah’s Cause.’”
Muslim:C53B20N4717 “The Prophet said: ‘This religion will continue to exist, and a group of people from the Muslims will continue to fight for its protection until the Hour is established.’”
Muslim:C42B20N4684 “A desert Arab came to the Prophet and said: ‘Messenger, one man fights for the spoils of war; another fights that he may be remembered, and one fights that he may see his (high) position (achieved as a result of his valor in fighting). Which of these is fighting in the Cause of Allah?’ The Messenger of Allah said: ‘Who fights so that the word of Allah is exalted is fighting in the Way of Allah.’”
Tabari IX:69 “Killing disbelievers is a small matter to us.”
Tabari VII:97 “The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, ‘Kill any Jew who falls under your power.’”
Tabari VIII:182 “Allah had enabled Muhammad to take the persons of the Quraysh by force, giving him power over them so they were his booty. Their lives were now his spoil.”
Tabari VIII:141 “The battle cry of the Companions of the Messenger of Allah that night was: ‘Kill! Kill! Kill!’”
Tabari VIII:104 “Peace to whoever follows the right guidance! To proceed; Submit yourself, and you shall be safe.’”
Tabari IX:113 “Allah permits you to shut them in separate rooms and to beat them, but not severely. If they abstain, they have the right to food and clothing. Treat women well for they are like domestic animals and they possess nothing themselves. Allah has made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in his Qur’an.”
Tabari VIII:122
Ishaq:515
“The Prophet gave orders concerning Kinanah to Zubayr, saying, ‘Torture him until you root out and extract what he has. So Zubayr kindled a fire on Kinanah’s chest, twirling it with his firestick until Kinanah was near death. Then the Messenger gave him to Maslamah, who beheaded him.”
Tabari VIII:153
Ishaq:533 “Abdallah Rawahah encouraged the men, saying, ‘By Allah, what you loathe is the very thing you came out to seek—martyrdom. We are not fighting the enemy with number, strength, or multitude, but we are fighting them with this religion with which Allah has honored us. So come on! Both prospects are fine: victory or martyrdom.’”
Tabari I:280 "Allah said, ‘It is My obligation to make Eve bleed once every month as she made this tree bleed. I must also make Eve stupid, although I created her intelligent.' Because Allah afflicted Eve, all of the women of this world menstruate and are stupid."
Qur’an 8:60 “And make ready against the infidels all of the power you can, including steeds of war to threaten the enemy of Allah and your enemy. And whatever you spend in Allah’s Cause shall be repaid unto you.”
Qur’an 9:5 “After the sacred months have passed, fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”
Qur’an 8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”
Qur’an 9:123 “Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you.”
Qur’an 47:31 “And We shall try you until We know those among you who are the fighters.”
Qur’an 60:5 “We reject you. Hostility and hate have come between us forever, unless you believe in Allah only.’”
Qur’an 33:21 “You have in (Muhammad) the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern of conduct for any one to follow.”
Qur’an 4:90 “If they turn back from Islam, becoming renegades, seize them and kill them wherever you find them.”
Qur’an 47:24 “Do they not understand the Qur’an? Nay, on the hearts there are locks preventing them from understanding.”
Qur’an 87:10 “He who fears will mind.”
Qur’an 8:59 “The infidels should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may terrorize them.”
Qur’an 5:10 “Those who reject, disbelieve and deny Our signs, proofs and verses will be companions of Hell-Fire.”
Qur’an 2:104 “To those who don’t submit there is a grievous punishment.”
Qur’an 3:150 “Soon We shall strike terror into the hearts of the Infidels, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority: their abode will be in the Fire!”
Qur’an 5:51 “Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends. They are but friends and protectors to each other.”
Qur’an 5:33 “The punishment for those who wage war against Allah and His Prophet and make mischief in the land, is to murder them, crucify them, or cut off a hand and foot on opposite sides...their doom is dreadful. They will not escape the fire, suffering constantly.”
Qur’an:9:8 8 “The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah’s Cause.”
Qur’an:8:12 “I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle.”
Qur’an:8:57 “If you gain mastery over them in battle, inflict such a defeat as would terrorize them, so that they would learn a lesson and be warned.”
Qur’an:4:95 “Not equal are those believers who sit at home and receive no injurious hurt, and those who strive hard, fighting Jihad in Allah’s Cause with their wealth and lives. Allah has granted a rank higher to those who strive hard, fighting Jihad with their wealth and bodies to those who sit (at home). Unto each has Allah promised good, but He prefers Jihadists who strive hard and fight above those who sit home. He has distinguished his fighters with a huge reward.”
Qur’an 9:3 “Allah is not bound by any contract or treaty with non-Muslims, nor is His Apostle.”
Qur’an:8:7 Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: ‘Wipe the infidels out to the last
Qur’an:8:12 Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: ‘I am with you. Give firmness to the Believers. I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes
Qur’an:8:12 “I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle.”
Qur’an 5:33 “The punishment for those who wage war against Allah and His Prophet and make mischief in the land, is to murder them, crucify them, or cut off a hand and foot on opposite sides...their doom is dreadful. They will not escape the fire, suffering constantly.”
Qur’an 2:64 “But you [Jews] went back on your word and were lost losers. So become apes, despised and hated. We made an example out of you.”
Qur’an 66:9 “O Prophet! Strive hard against the unbelieving Infidels and the Hypocrites; be severe against them. Their abode is Hell, an evil resort.”
Qur’an 9:71 “O Prophet, strive hard [fighting] against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be harsh with them. Their abode is Hell, an evil refuge indeed.”
Qur'an 5:59 "Say: ‘People of the Book! Do you disapprove of us for no other reason than that we believe in Allah, and the revelation that has come to us and that which came before?' Say: ‘Shall I point out to you something much worse than this by the treatment it received from Allah? Those who incurred the curse of Allah and His wrath, those of whom He transformed into apes and swine."
Qur'an 5:14 "From those, too, who call themselves Christians, We made a covenant, but they forgot and abandoned a good part of the message that was sent them: so we estranged them, stirred up enmity and hatred among them to the Day of Doom. Soon will Allah show them the handiwork they have done."
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Don't even bother with this he/she/it. Liberals do NOT know how to take up for the strong believers in what they stand for. Anyone that is "picked on" is a favorite for the liberal agenda. Cowards, every one of them, I say! They don't have minds of their own, only know how to speak drivel of what others say. Talk about drinking the KOOL AID!
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http://www.sarahpac.com/landing/?cdtrack_creative=9df74b6d-be24-4a77-8294-b45618d96e40&cdtrack_source=6766ecf9-5d7e-4988-ba24-e120e6fe0873
Masterwolf, thanks for sharing the link with us. I gladly made a contribution to Sarah Palin's Pac back in April.
While supporting JTF and VJA are clearly my top activism priority, helping support Sarah Palin in her quest to return the United States to its traditional values and to defeat liberalism, is a high priority as well.
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I have no doubts in her, and I think it will be wise for a while to put this on sticky so it won't get lost with other threads. I will leave it sticky for a while. I love her and in full support of her.
Thanks again, Masterwolf.
Chaim's responses about Sarah Palin's decision to resign as Alaska Governor, to you and Dr. Dan on the July 12 " Ask JTF" show, help reinforce my opinion that Sarah Palin is the best option the Republican Party has offered in a VERY long time. Sarah Palin was put in an extremely difficult position. If only Barack Hussein Obama received 1/1000 of the scrutiny that Sarah Palin has had to deal with. The attacks against her haven't stopped since she became John McCain's running mate this past August. The more the left and the phony right attack Sarah Palin, the more it illustrates that they fear her. Their greatest nightmare other than Sarah Palin defeating their beloved Barack Hussein Obama is if she wins the 2012 Republican Nomination, which significantly increases the likelihood that Obama would go down to defeat in November, 2012.
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I think the "idiocy of the American people" that was mentioned above was what made Mrs. Palin so popular. It's also funny that some conservatives are just now saying that they wouldn't be able to support her since she resigned as governor. All of the other mindless blathering and nonsense, that was fine, but this is too much.
Quitting has actually been the smartest, most sensible thing this woman has done since garnering all this spotlight.
The " idiocy of the American People " was on full display when they " elected " Barack Hussein Obama and Joe Biden to office. This was the WORST decision in an American election in the 233 year history of the USA! The vast majority of those who support Sarah Palin want to see the USA return to the principles and values that made the country a great nation!
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I think the "idiocy of the American people" that was mentioned above was what made Mrs. Palin so popular. It's also funny that some conservatives are just now saying that they wouldn't be able to support her since she resigned as governor. All of the other mindless blathering and nonsense, that was fine, but this is too much.
Quitting has actually been the smartest, most sensible thing this woman has done since garnering all this spotlight.
Rational Minority, I dont know how old you are, but I think you are a DISRESPECTFUL JERK. Hows that? I had a Blog FOR PALIN, during her WHOLE CAMPAIGN and this board supported her 100%. Go look at Chaims JTF videos on her, we DID NOT attack PALIN. Chaim, the LEADER loves Palin.
But--Palin was NOT a real conservative, she was GOP. REAL right wingers and conservatives DONT HAVE 17 year old daughters KNOCKED UP.
You DO REALIZE that we are in a HORRIBLE time and it is NECESSARY that a STRONG MAN be raised up, by G-d if NEEDS BE, and it even possible that a race war, a civil revolt or something like THIS is bound to happen??
WE NEED A STRONG MAN LIKE PATTON.
Older JTFers- WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY do these NEW people just come to these boards and act like RUDE, RETARDED, NASTY, EXCREMENT?
First, let's help Chiam take over Israel and then he can show America how it's done. He will help America to have the courage to select a powerful and Constitutionally sound leader to restore the republic.
As for the trolls, their behavior is so strange that I speculate that at least some are likely trying to be a fifth column of Peace Now activists who are here to sow dissent. They will not succeed.
While I would be beyond elated if Chaim was allowed into Israel and better yet is elected Prime Minister of Israel, realistically the latter is not going to happen as soon as we would like. The United States and Israel are potentially headed for disaster if a high quality leader doesn't emerge from at least one of the countries. While its IMPERATIVE that we support Chaim's efforts, including of course providing support for the heroic Jews in Judea and Samaria, I also think its important that JTF supports the best realistic Conservative options in U.S. Presidential, Congressional, and State races. While some disagree with me, which of course is fine, until someone can provide a convincing point of view that there's a better viable Presidential Candidate than Sarah Palin in the foreseeable future, its hard for me to envision their being such a candidate on the horizon.
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Don't even bother with this he/she/it. Liberals do NOT know how to take up for the strong believers in what they stand for. Anyone that is "picked on" is a favorite for the liberal agenda. Cowards, every one of them, I say! They don't have minds of their own, only know how to speak drivel of what others say. Talk about drinking the KOOL AID!
Well said, arksis.
The liberals continue to focus their attacks on JTF, Sarah Palin, and other organizations and people that they consider a threat to their hideous agenda against the United States, Israel, and all of those who believe in strong traditional Conservative ( Right Wing ) values.
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But not all Muslims support terrorist acts, though. That's what I'm trying to get at here. How can a whole group of people be condemned based upon the actions of a few?
It's more then a few. Muslims all over the country were dancing in the streets in muslim neighborhoods of the United States on 9-11. Why didn't the so called good muslims come out and tell them to stop and say that this is not acceptable. No other group danced in the streets only the sick demented muslim animals.
Well put cjd. Additionally, it is not all muslims that are inherently evil, it is the ideology that Islam espouses. Call it radical Islam if you wish but my question is, as cjd stated, why did muslims dance in the neighborhoods of the US on 9/11? You may make a case that moderate muslims can't speak out in places like Iran for fear of retribution, as we recently saw, but where is the case for their behavior and their activities in mosques in the U.S., the U.K., France, Germany, etc.?
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But not all Muslims support terrorist acts, though. That's what I'm trying to get at here. How can a whole group of people be condemned based upon the actions of a few?
Rational Minority; the actions of a 'few' really??
Honestly, the 'liberal tolerance' is EXASPERATING. Always taking up for EVIL, and NEVER the good.
I never even claimed to be a liberal. I don't see that as being 'evil' like the majority here, though. I will say, however, that I am progressive. Things need to change, and I think they will, for the better. I don't buy into all the unfounded fears surrounding our current president. Additionally, I refuse to think differently of someone for believing a certain religion is true. When I said "the actions of a few", you need to realize that 'few' is quite relative; I'm obviously not saying that there are only a handfull of people who commit acts of terrorism, but relative to Muslims worldwide, they are few. I'm not here to defend any religion, or terrorists either--only those who are pre-judged based solely upon their religion. It's honestly all the same to me. They all are meant to serve a purpose to their followers, and each group has factions that take everything way too far and give the others a bad name. You all go around thinking that the fundamentalists are the norm, and so you only look for that, and that's how you all view each other. When it comes right down to it, it's really immature and a waste of time.
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I never even claimed to be a liberal. I don't see that as being 'evil' like the majority here, though. I will say, however, that I am progressive. Things need to change, and I think they will, for the better. I don't buy into all the unfounded fears surrounding our current president. Additionally, I refuse to think differently of someone for believing a certain religion is true. When I said "the actions of a few", you need to realize that 'few' is quite relative; I'm obviously not saying that there are only a handfull of people who commit acts of terrorism, but relative to Muslims worldwide, they are few. I'm not here to defend any religion, or terrorists either--only those who are pre-judged based solely upon their religion. It's honestly all the same to me. They all are meant to serve a purpose to their followers, and each group has factions that take everything way too far and give the others a bad name. You all go around thinking that the fundamentalists are the norm, and so you only look for that, and that's how you all view each other. When it comes right down to it, it's really immature and a waste of time.
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All I can say is, if you don't "buy into the fear" then you have no idea what's going on in the REAL world, like many other liberals in this country.
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All I can say is, if you don't "buy into the fear" then you have no idea what's going on in the REAL world, like many other liberals in this country.
Once again, I never claimed to be liberal. And I also said that this fear which is being conjured up is unfounded, indicating that it is not based on facts.
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All I can say is, if you don't "buy into the fear" then you have no idea what's going on in the REAL world, like many other liberals in this country.
Once again, I never claimed to be liberal. And I also said that this fear which is being conjured up is unfounded, indicating that it is not based on facts.
Kindly explain to me the difference between a liberal, a progressive, and a statist as, imo they are interchangeable in the way that they are used today.
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But not all Muslims support terrorist acts, though. That's what I'm trying to get at here. How can a whole group of people be condemned based upon the actions of a few?
Rational Minority; the actions of a 'few' really??
Honestly, the 'liberal tolerance' is EXASPERATING. Always taking up for EVIL, and NEVER the good.
I never even claimed to be a liberal. I don't see that as being 'evil' like the majority here, though. I will say, however, that I am progressive. Things need to change, and I think they will, for the better. I don't buy into all the unfounded fears surrounding our current president. Additionally, I refuse to think differently of someone for believing a certain religion is true. When I said "the actions of a few", you need to realize that 'few' is quite relative; I'm obviously not saying that there are only a handfull of people who commit acts of terrorism, but relative to Muslims worldwide, they are few. I'm not here to defend any religion, or terrorists either--only those who are pre-judged based solely upon their religion. It's honestly all the same to me. They all are meant to serve a purpose to their followers, and each group has factions that take everything way too far and give the others a bad name. You all go around thinking that the fundamentalists are the norm, and so you only look for that, and that's how you all view each other. When it comes right down to it, it's really immature and a waste of time.
First of ALL, 'rational minority'
WE ARE THE MINORITY.
The last time I checked the DEM-FASCISTS are FILIBUSTER proof. THERE ARE NO CHECKS AND BALANCES NOW, that is FASCISM.
They have been IN CONTROL for OVER 2 1/2 YEARS, while MORONS were blame Bush, Blame bush, Bush was a LAME DUCK for OVER TWO AND A HALF YEARS.
You also are for HUSSEIN OBAMA, who has appointed 32 CZARS, which means ABSOLUTE POWER, so you are NOT a 'liberal, OR a progressive' You are RE GRESSIVE- in fact you WERE a liberal, and that is the new 'word' that you tag yourselves with now.
Liberals are RACISTS, ALWAYS tagging people with "Black American, African American, Mexican American" NEVER just plain ol AMERICAN. LIBERALS/PROGRESSIVES say OTHER nationalities FIRST, making THEM the damned RACISTS.
You are, in fact, a radical COMMUNIST, NOT even a liberal anymore.
Czar means TOTAL POWER, and since you are FOR OBama, you are FOR TOTAL POWER over peoples LIVES.
Muslims are BEASTS.
I gave you the information on their so-called 'religion' and you REFUSED to look at it.
IF you DID look at it, you would change you f-d up view.
Take up for WOMEN like a good liberal does, instead of the bleeding sicko heart for MURDERERS. You SUCK!
Women HATE you over there for not thinking these beasts are EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE: MURDERERS and ASSASSINS
"UNFOUNDED fears" about Hussein Obama-- You mean like DESTROYING the 1st Ammendment so that there is NO Free Speech, and taking away people RIGHT to protect themselves with the 2nd ammendment. Cencoring ALL of the opposing views against the poor MoZlem HITLER, BHO? He OWNS the CAR Co's, JUST LIKE HITLER, and how about BANKS?? JUST LIKE HITLER.
28 EXECUTIVE ORDERS in less than THREE MONTHS is 'not something to be FEARFUL about?'
YOU ARE BRAINWASHED.
FASCISM:
a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
There is NOBODY MORE racist than BHO. NOBODY!
You are brainwashed BIGTIME, and I have little pity anymore for you FOOLS.
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All I can say is, if you don't "buy into the fear" then you have no idea what's going on in the REAL world, like many other liberals in this country.
Once again, I never claimed to be liberal. And I also said that this fear which is being conjured up is unfounded, indicating that it is not based on facts.
Kindly explain to me the difference between a liberal, a progressive, and a statist as, imo they are interchangeable in the way that they are used today.
Fair enough. I suppose liberal and progressive could be used interchangeably--not sure about statist, though. Either way, progressives are responsible for a lot of good in America. I don't think the Revolution would have happened without progressives, and weren't the Republicans at one time considered progressive, too? Abraham Lincoln comes to mind. I'm sure there were plenty of people who looked at them as "horrid liberals" at one point. Something to think about, maybe.
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All I can say is, if you don't "buy into the fear" then you have no idea what's going on in the REAL world, like many other liberals in this country.
Once again, I never claimed to be liberal. And I also said that this fear which is being conjured up is unfounded, indicating that it is not based on facts.
Kindly explain to me the difference between a liberal, a progressive, and a statist as, imo they are interchangeable in the way that they are used today.
Fair enough. I suppose liberal and progressive could be used interchangeably--not sure about statist, though. Either way, progressives are responsible for a lot of good in America. I don't think the Revolution would have happened without progressives, and weren't the Republicans at one time considered progressive, too? Abraham Lincoln comes to mind. I'm sure there were plenty of people who looked at them as "horrid liberals" at one point. Something to think about, maybe.
Think about this. Liberals and progressives of the past actually SUPPORTED individual rights. What so-called liberals today support are far from it. That's where the statist comes in. I will not take credit for that as it was coined by Mark Levin in his book "Liberty and Tyranny". But, basically, a statist is one who supports central government planning and control, especially of economic policy, at the COST of individual rights. Don't tell me about the wonderful things that liberals have done in the past. Tell me about the wonderful things they are doing today.
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First of ALL, 'rational minority'
WE ARE THE MINORITY.
In the current American government, perhaps, but not throughout the world.
The last time I checked the DEM-FASCISTS are FILIBUSTER proof. THERE ARE NO CHECKS AND BALANCES NOW, that is FASCISM.
They have been IN CONTROL for OVER 2 1/2 YEARS, while MORONS were blame Bush, Blame bush, Bush was a LAME DUCK for OVER TWO AND A HALF YEARS.
There is a lot for which George W. Bush is to blame. I'm not going to call him a fascist because that would be exaggerating, but he's not innocent, either. Laws were broken and lies were told. This is based on information that has recently been surfacing, too, not some biased, baseless accusation.
You also are for HUSSEIN OBAMA, who has appointed 32 CZARS, which means ABSOLUTE POWER, so you are NOT a 'liberal, OR a progressive' You are RE GRESSIVE- in fact you WERE a liberal, and that is the new 'word' that you tag yourselves with now.
Liberals are RACISTS, ALWAYS tagging people with "Black American, African American, Mexican American" NEVER just plain ol AMERICAN. LIBERALS/PROGRESSIVES say OTHER nationalities FIRST, making THEM the damned RACISTS.
You are, in fact, a radical COMMUNIST, NOT even a liberal anymore.
Czar means TOTAL POWER, and since you are FOR OBama, you are FOR TOTAL POWER over peoples LIVES.
This is quite a jump. You have me going from 'liberal' to 'racist' to 'communist'. I honestly can't make sense of this.
Muslims are BEASTS.
I gave you the information on their so-called 'religion' and you REFUSED to look at it.
IF you DID look at it, you would change you f-d up view.
Back to this again, huh? Again, my view of religions in general is that they're all basically the same. I looked at the text. It's violent, I get it. There's violence in every major religion's book. Even yours.
Take up for WOMEN like a good liberal does, instead of the bleeding sicko heart for MURDERERS.
I do. I'm all for the equality of women, and a woman's right to choose. And again, I'm not defending terrorists.
You SUCK!
Ha! That was kind of odd.
Women HATE you over there for not thinking these beasts are EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE: MURDERERS and ASSASSINS
Women overseas hate me for what I don't think? I doubt that.
"UNFOUNDED fears" about Hussein Obama-- You mean like DESTROYING the 1st Ammendment so that there is NO Free Speech, and taking away people RIGHT to protect themselves with the 2nd ammendment. Cencoring ALL of the opposing views against the poor MoZlem HITLER, BHO? He OWNS the CAR Co's, JUST LIKE HITLER, and how about BANKS?? JUST LIKE HITLER.
YOU ARE BRAINWASHED.
There is obviously still a 1st Amendment. The fact that these forums exist is a testament to that. Also, comparing Obama to Hitler is pretty absurd. Do you think he'll start trying to annex Canada and take over the world or something?
FASCISM:
a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
Alarmist-
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1. a person who tends to raise alarms, esp. without sufficient reason, as by exaggerating dangers or prophesying calamities.
I can look up definitions as well.
There is NOBODY MORE racist than BHO. NOBODY!
I don't think there's any way of actually knowing that...
You are brainwashed BIGTIME, and I have little pity anymore for you FOOLS.
Well I'm sorry you feel that way, Mr. T.
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All I can say is, if you don't "buy into the fear" then you have no idea what's going on in the REAL world, like many other liberals in this country.
Once again, I never claimed to be liberal. And I also said that this fear which is being conjured up is unfounded, indicating that it is not based on facts.
Kindly explain to me the difference between a liberal, a progressive, and a statist as, imo they are interchangeable in the way that they are used today.
Fair enough. I suppose liberal and progressive could be used interchangeably--not sure about statist, though. Either way, progressives are responsible for a lot of good in America. I don't think the Revolution would have happened without progressives, and weren't the Republicans at one time considered progressive, too? Abraham Lincoln comes to mind. I'm sure there were plenty of people who looked at them as "horrid liberals" at one point. Something to think about, maybe.
Progressive: advocating more enlightened or liberal ideas, new or experimental methods
So, what if the 'experiment' FAILS? You know Hitler was "EXPERIMENTAL" but it worked for him. GASSINGS.
Method? What method will the liberal FASCISTS USE to CHANGE us. "Progressive" is also "Change"
Obama does NOT represent the G-d of the Torah, Tanach, OR the Christian Bible. you DO know, RM that the Islamic UN Holy book CHANGES all the time, dont you? A LOT like LIBERALISM with their METHODS and EXPERIMENTS.
America should NOT be an "experiment" in which we use new METHODS to sway the people into FASCISM.
Thank you, NO.
G-d says:
"I AM THE L-RD THY G-D, I DO NOT CHANGE"
I will answer to HIM.
(http://distractible.org/wp-content/plugins/RndmImgs/Captain%20Obvious%20evil%20scientist%202.jpg).
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All I can say is, if you don't "buy into the fear" then you have no idea what's going on in the REAL world, like many other liberals in this country.
Once again, I never claimed to be liberal. And I also said that this fear which is being conjured up is unfounded, indicating that it is not based on facts.
Kindly explain to me the difference between a liberal, a progressive, and a statist as, imo they are interchangeable in the way that they are used today.
Fair enough. I suppose liberal and progressive could be used interchangeably--not sure about statist, though. Either way, progressives are responsible for a lot of good in America. I don't think the Revolution would have happened without progressives, and weren't the Republicans at one time considered progressive, too? Abraham Lincoln comes to mind. I'm sure there were plenty of people who looked at them as "horrid liberals" at one point. Something to think about, maybe.
Think about this. Liberals and progressives of the past actually SUPPORTED individual rights. What so-called liberals today support are far from it. That's where the statist comes in. I will not take credit for that as it was coined by Mark Levin in his book "Liberty and Tyranny". But, basically, a statist is one who supports central government planning and control, especially of economic policy, at the COST of individual rights. Don't tell me about the wonderful things that liberals have done in the past. Tell me about the wonderful things they are doing today.
Well, I'd say that while liberals may want to look to the government for more, they also challenge it more. I think that liberals are very much in favor of an individual's rights. Freedom of choice, separation of church and state, and same-sex marriage, among others, are predominantly liberal causes. All things considered, I don't really consider Democrats to be liberals. Maybe next to staunch Conservatives, but really, any more it seems as thought the Dems and the GOP are pretty similar.
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All I can say is, if you don't "buy into the fear" then you have no idea what's going on in the REAL world, like many other liberals in this country.
Once again, I never claimed to be liberal. And I also said that this fear which is being conjured up is unfounded, indicating that it is not based on facts.
Kindly explain to me the difference between a liberal, a progressive, and a statist as, imo they are interchangeable in the way that they are used today.
Fair enough. I suppose liberal and progressive could be used interchangeably--not sure about statist, though. Either way, progressives are responsible for a lot of good in America. I don't think the Revolution would have happened without progressives, and weren't the Republicans at one time considered progressive, too? Abraham Lincoln comes to mind. I'm sure there were plenty of people who looked at them as "horrid liberals" at one point. Something to think about, maybe.
Think about this. Liberals and progressives of the past actually SUPPORTED individual rights. What so-called liberals today support are far from it. That's where the statist comes in. I will not take credit for that as it was coined by Mark Levin in his book "Liberty and Tyranny". But, basically, a statist is one who supports central government planning and control, especially of economic policy, at the COST of individual rights. Don't tell me about the wonderful things that liberals have done in the past. Tell me about the wonderful things they are doing today.
I know Hiwarp! I WAS a dem-liberal, until I found that they push VERY UNHOLY and EVIL things. (This is like 22 years ago)
Oh they 'mean well' alright, but the fat is that they USE psycho-mindtripping, head games & WORDS, just WORDS.... to get you to STFUP..
Words like "ALARMIST"
You know the prophets of the Tanach WARNED people ahead of time, I AM SURE some had NO idea, they WERE prophetic, people took ZERO heed to their words MANY times, and what happened??
DESTRUCTION.
People like the JTF and other really great Born-again people SHOULD be taken HEED to.
Like this seriously silly person here.. 'buy into the fear'
IF WE ONLY HAD MORE of a HEALTHY FEAR of the Living G-d, we would NOT be in this MESS. But, here we have a "Secular-humanist" below and G-d does NOT exist in this persons world....
Well, he'll exist enough when really bad natural and SUPERNATURAL disasters happen, oh they will be screaming: G-D!!!! G-D!!!!
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All I can say is, if you don't "buy into the fear" then you have no idea what's going on in the REAL world, like many other liberals in this country.
Once again, I never claimed to be liberal. And I also said that this fear which is being conjured up is unfounded, indicating that it is not based on facts.
Kindly explain to me the difference between a liberal, a progressive, and a statist as, imo they are interchangeable in the way that they are used today.
Fair enough. I suppose liberal and progressive could be used interchangeably--not sure about statist, though. Either way, progressives are responsible for a lot of good in America. I don't think the Revolution would have happened without progressives, and weren't the Republicans at one time considered progressive, too? Abraham Lincoln comes to mind. I'm sure there were plenty of people who looked at them as "horrid liberals" at one point. Something to think about, maybe.
Think about this. Liberals and progressives of the past actually SUPPORTED individual rights. What so-called liberals today support are far from it. That's where the statist comes in. I will not take credit for that as it was coined by Mark Levin in his book "Liberty and Tyranny". But, basically, a statist is one who supports central government planning and control, especially of economic policy, at the COST of individual rights. Don't tell me about the wonderful things that liberals have done in the past. Tell me about the wonderful things they are doing today.
Well, I'd say that while liberals may want to look to the government for more, they also challenge it more. I think that liberals are very much in favor of an individual's rights. Freedom of choice, separation of church and state, and same-sex marriage, among others, are predominantly liberal causes. All things considered, I don't really consider Democrats to be liberals. Maybe next to staunch Conservatives, but really, any more it seems as thought the Dems and the GOP are pretty similar.
RM, most of us are NOT GOP...but here is an INTERESTING quote...
Norman Mattoon Thomas (Nov. 20, 1884-Dec. 19, 1968) was a leading American socialist, pacifist and six-time presidential candidate of the Socialist Party of America. The following quotation from a speech he made in 1944 as the Socialist Party candidate for president of the U.S. will spotlight the strides of socialism.
“The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of ‘liberalism,’ they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.”
He went on to say: “I no longer need to run as a presidential candidate for the Socialist Party. The Democrat Party has adopted our platform.”
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All I can say is, if you don't "buy into the fear" then you have no idea what's going on in the REAL world, like many other liberals in this country.
Once again, I never claimed to be liberal. And I also said that this fear which is being conjured up is unfounded, indicating that it is not based on facts.
Kindly explain to me the difference between a liberal, a progressive, and a statist as, imo they are interchangeable in the way that they are used today.
Fair enough. I suppose liberal and progressive could be used interchangeably--not sure about statist, though. Either way, progressives are responsible for a lot of good in America. I don't think the Revolution would have happened without progressives, and weren't the Republicans at one time considered progressive, too? Abraham Lincoln comes to mind. I'm sure there were plenty of people who looked at them as "horrid liberals" at one point. Something to think about, maybe.
Think about this. Liberals and progressives of the past actually SUPPORTED individual rights. What so-called liberals today support are far from it. That's where the statist comes in. I will not take credit for that as it was coined by Mark Levin in his book "Liberty and Tyranny". But, basically, a statist is one who supports central government planning and control, especially of economic policy, at the COST of individual rights. Don't tell me about the wonderful things that liberals have done in the past. Tell me about the wonderful things they are doing today.
Well, I'd say that while liberals may want to look to the government for more, they also challenge it more. I think that liberals are very much in favor of an individual's rights. Freedom of choice, separation of church and state, and same-sex marriage, among others, are predominantly liberal causes. All things considered, I don't really consider Democrats to be liberals. Maybe next to staunch Conservatives, but really, any more it seems as thought the Dems and the GOP are pretty similar.
RM, most of us are NOT GOP...but here is an INTERESTING quote...
Norman Mattoon Thomas (Nov. 20, 1884-Dec. 19, 1968) was a leading American socialist, pacifist and six-time presidential candidate of the Socialist Party of America. The following quotation from a speech he made in 1944 as the Socialist Party candidate for president of the U.S. will spotlight the strides of socialism.
“The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of ‘liberalism,’ they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.”
He went on to say: “I no longer need to run as a presidential candidate for the Socialist Party. The Democrat Party has adopted our platform.”
Okay, so you're not Republicans. I'm not a Democrat.
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"Progressive" is also "Change" Which is what let me know STRAIGHT UP that Hussein Obama does NOT represent the G-d of the Torah, Tanach, OR the Christian Bible. you DO know, RM that the Islamic UN Holy book CHANGES all the time, dont you? A LOT like LIBERALISM with their METHODS and EXPERIMENTS. America should NOT be an "experiment" in which we use new METHODS to sawy the people into FASCISM.
The President is not supposed to represent a particular faith. It's been that way since the country was founded. And again, this is not Hitler, and there is no threat of fascism.
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"Progressive" is also "Change" Which is what let me know STRAIGHT UP that Hussein Obama does NOT represent the G-d of the Torah, Tanach, OR the Christian Bible. you DO know, RM that the Islamic UN Holy book CHANGES all the time, dont you? A LOT like LIBERALISM with their METHODS and EXPERIMENTS. America should NOT be an "experiment" in which we use new METHODS to sawy the people into FASCISM.
The President is not supposed to represent a particular faith. It's been that way since the country was founded. And again, this is not Hitler, and there is no threat of fascism.
Really....?
FASCISM: a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
WHICH IS WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW.
1st of ALL, I know this is a Jewish forum but DONT insult my intelligence. Go look at the graves here in good ole USA- CROSSES are on most of the GRAVES=CHRISTIAN NATION- people that believe in the teachings of Jesus of the CHRISTIAN Bible.
Samuel Adams a FOUNDING FATHER said that candidates of the office of the presidency MUST be PROFESSORS of the CHRISTIAN FAITH, which is WHY Jewish people are NOT suppose to be in power here in the USA- CONFLICT of interest, thats a #1.
#2. Please explain these quotes:
"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus. For that reason alone, people of other faiths have been afforded freedom of worship here."
- Patrick Henry, Patriot 1776
"I tremble for my country when I reflect that G-d is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever."
- Thomas Jefferson, 1871
"I have sworn upon the altar of G-d eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."
- Thomas Jefferson (inscribed around the inside of the dome of the Jefferson Memorial in Washington)
It behooves us then to humble ourselves before the offended Power to confess our national sins and to pray for clemency and forgiveness..."
"I am profitably engaged in reading the Bible. Take all of this Book upon reason that you can, and the balance by faith, and you will live and die a better man."
- Abraham Lincoln, 1863
"Intelligence, patriotism, Christianity, and a firm reliance on Him, who has never yet forsaken this favored land, are still competent to adjust, in the best way, all our present difficulty." – Abraham Lincoln
"The foundations of our society and our government rest so much on the teachings of the Bible that it would be difficult to support them if faith in these teachings would cease to be practically universal in our country."
- Calvin Coolidge, 1923
"All must admit that the reception of the teachings of Jesus results in the purest patriotism, in the most scrupulous fidelity to public trust, and in the best type of citizenship."
- Grover Cleveland
"It is no slight testimonial, both to the merit and worth of Christianity, that in all ages since its promulgation the great mass of those who have risen to eminence by their profound wisdom and integrity have recognized and reverenced Jesus of Nazareth"
John Quincy Adams - (1767-1848) 6th President of the United States
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Now, I DONT know what planet OR nation YOU are from, but this is the way it is supposed to be.
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Some of the Founding Fathers were Christian in name only, such as Franklin, Jefferson and, especially, Paine. The best that I can offer is that many of these great men held to Enlightenment era principles regarding Christianity- that is, more closely to the ideas and ideals of the deist sect. It's hard to tell, in some cases, because, when you read, say, the letters of Jefferson, the man seems to be as much of a skeptic as an actual, believing Christian. There was also a strong emphasis on Biblical ideals, which are specifically Christian per se, but can also include Jewish or Noahide believers as well. This brings me to my last point, the flexibility of the U.S. Constitution and the U.S. system of law and government. Whilst the Founders may've envisioned the young nation as Christian, they also included the freedom of religion and separation of church and state clauses into American law to prevent the sort of episcopal tyranny that terrorized Europe for centuries. This was done even as the Founders often mentioned Gd, the Bible and religion in their public speeches, private writings and so forth. I can only surmise that the intention of the Founders was that the U.S. was to be Christian country, yet with great flexibility. The fact that Jews and other persecuted groups have found a safe haven, and political power, in the U.S. shows just how adaptable a thing was made in the 18th century. When the U.S. began to deny Gd, even of He wasn't present in official politics, then the fall from greatness began. This denial of Gd has nothing to do with Christian or Jew or deist or whatever, but it does have everything to do with a huge misunderstanding and willful denial of the intents of this nation's creators.
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"Progressive" is also "Change" Which is what let me know STRAIGHT UP that Hussein Obama does NOT represent the G-d of the Torah, Tanach, OR the Christian Bible. you DO know, RM that the Islamic UN Holy book CHANGES all the time, dont you? A LOT like LIBERALISM with their METHODS and EXPERIMENTS. America should NOT be an "experiment" in which we use new METHODS to sawy the people into FASCISM.
The President is not supposed to represent a particular faith. It's been that way since the country was founded. And again, this is not Hitler, and there is no threat of fascism.
Really....?
FASCISM: a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
WHICH IS WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW.
1st of ALL, I know this is a Jewish forum but DONT insult my intelligence. Go look at the graves here in good ole USA- CROSSES are on most of the GRAVES=CHRISTIAN NATION- people that believe in the teachings of Jesus of the CHRISTIAN Bible.
Samuel Adams a FOUNDING FATHER said that candidates of the office of the presidency MUST be PROFESSORS of the CHRISTIAN FAITH, which is WHY Jewish people are NOT suppose to be in power here in the USA- CONFLICT of interest, thats a #1.
#2. Please explain these quotes:
"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus. For that reason alone, people of other faiths have been afforded freedom of worship here."
- Patrick Henry, Patriot 1776
"I tremble for my country when I reflect that G-d is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever."
- Thomas Jefferson, 1871
"I have sworn upon the altar of G-d eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."
- Thomas Jefferson (inscribed around the inside of the dome of the Jefferson Memorial in Washington)
It behooves us then to humble ourselves before the offended Power to confess our national sins and to pray for clemency and forgiveness..."
"I am profitably engaged in reading the Bible. Take all of this Book upon reason that you can, and the balance by faith, and you will live and die a better man."
- Abraham Lincoln, 1863
"Intelligence, patriotism, Christianity, and a firm reliance on Him, who has never yet forsaken this favored land, are still competent to adjust, in the best way, all our present difficulty." – Abraham Lincoln
"The foundations of our society and our government rest so much on the teachings of the Bible that it would be difficult to support them if faith in these teachings would cease to be practically universal in our country."
- Calvin Coolidge, 1923
"All must admit that the reception of the teachings of Jesus results in the purest patriotism, in the most scrupulous fidelity to public trust, and in the best type of citizenship."
- Grover Cleveland
"It is no slight testimonial, both to the merit and worth of Christianity, that in all ages since its promulgation the great mass of those who have risen to eminence by their profound wisdom and integrity have recognized and reverenced Jesus of Nazareth"
John Quincy Adams - (1767-1848) 6th President of the United States
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Now, I DONT know what planet OR nation YOU are from, but this is the way it is supposed to be.
How about these, then:
http://antiwarrepublicans.com/foundingfathers.aspx
Even though some were religious themselves, they understood that church and state needed to be separate.
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All I can say is, if you don't "buy into the fear" then you have no idea what's going on in the REAL world, like many other liberals in this country.
Once again, I never claimed to be liberal. And I also said that this fear which is being conjured up is unfounded, indicating that it is not based on facts.
Kindly explain to me the difference between a liberal, a progressive, and a statist as, imo they are interchangeable in the way that they are used today.
Fair enough. I suppose liberal and progressive could be used interchangeably--not sure about statist, though. Either way, progressives are responsible for a lot of good in America. I don't think the Revolution would have happened without progressives, and weren't the Republicans at one time considered progressive, too? Abraham Lincoln comes to mind. I'm sure there were plenty of people who looked at them as "horrid liberals" at one point. Something to think about, maybe.
Think about this. Liberals and progressives of the past actually SUPPORTED individual rights. What so-called liberals today support are far from it. That's where the statist comes in. I will not take credit for that as it was coined by Mark Levin in his book "Liberty and Tyranny". But, basically, a statist is one who supports central government planning and control, especially of economic policy, at the COST of individual rights. Don't tell me about the wonderful things that liberals have done in the past. Tell me about the wonderful things they are doing today.
Well, I'd say that while liberals may want to look to the government for more, they also challenge it more. I think that liberals are very much in favor of an individual's rights. Freedom of choice, separation of church and state, and same-sex marriage, among others, are predominantly liberal causes. All things considered, I don't really consider Democrats to be liberals. Maybe next to staunch Conservatives, but really, any more it seems as thought the Dems and the GOP are pretty similar.
Liberals appear to be for freedom of choice when it involves a woman's choice to give birth or have an abortion; but they don't seem to favor choice so much when it comes to allowing me to choose how I spend my money. They seem to believe my individual freedom to spend the money that I earned is less important than their right to tax me excessively and spend my money the way they see fit.
Separation of church and state? This is solely an issue of not having a government sanctioned religion where people can be persecuted if they happen to be of a different faith (e.g. Iran). The U.S. already has this without any challenges from liberals. What I see liberals concerned with is things like not displaying Christmas manger scenes in public buildings or not posting the Ten Commandments in courthouses.
Same sex marriage? How does this help the country or society? Marriage is an existing institution and I think you know what it's based on so I don't need to elaborate? Where is the benefit to society of same sex "marriage"?
As for the Democrats and Republicans being pretty similar, you won't get much of an argument from me there. But then I don't consider Obama a Democrat.
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I for one will be honored to support her for 2012
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All I can say is, if you don't "buy into the fear" then you have no idea what's going on in the REAL world, like many other liberals in this country.
Once again, I never claimed to be liberal. And I also said that this fear which is being conjured up is unfounded, indicating that it is not based on facts.
Kindly explain to me the difference between a liberal, a progressive, and a statist as, imo they are interchangeable in the way that they are used today.
Fair enough. I suppose liberal and progressive could be used interchangeably--not sure about statist, though. Either way, progressives are responsible for a lot of good in America. I don't think the Revolution would have happened without progressives, and weren't the Republicans at one time considered progressive, too? Abraham Lincoln comes to mind. I'm sure there were plenty of people who looked at them as "horrid liberals" at one point. Something to think about, maybe.
Think about this. Liberals and progressives of the past actually SUPPORTED individual rights. What so-called liberals today support are far from it. That's where the statist comes in. I will not take credit for that as it was coined by Mark Levin in his book "Liberty and Tyranny". But, basically, a statist is one who supports central government planning and control, especially of economic policy, at the COST of individual rights. Don't tell me about the wonderful things that liberals have done in the past. Tell me about the wonderful things they are doing today.
Well, I'd say that while liberals may want to look to the government for more, they also challenge it more. I think that liberals are very much in favor of an individual's rights. Freedom of choice, separation of church and state, and same-sex marriage, among others, are predominantly liberal causes. All things considered, I don't really consider Democrats to be liberals. Maybe next to staunch Conservatives, but really, any more it seems as thought the Dems and the GOP are pretty similar.
Liberals appear to be for freedom of choice when it involves a woman's choice to give birth or have an abortion; but they don't seem to favor choice so much when it comes to allowing me to choose how I spend my money. They seem to believe my individual freedom to spend the money that I earned is less important than their right to tax me excessively and spend my money the way they see fit.
Separation of church and state? This is solely an issue of not having a government sanctioned religion where people can be persecuted if they happen to be of a different faith (e.g. Iran). The U.S. already has this without any challenges from liberals. What I see liberals concerned with is things like not displaying Christmas manger scenes in public buildings or not posting the Ten Commandments in courthouses.
Same sex marriage? How does this help the country or society? Marriage is an existing institution and I think you know what it's based on so I don't need to elaborate? Where is the benefit to society of same sex "marriage"?
As for the Democrats and Republicans being pretty similar, you won't get much of an argument from me there. But then I don't consider Obama a Democrat.
So, since there is no government sanctioned religion, why would religious articles need to be displayed on state property? Liberals aren't challenging SOC&S, either. They support it.
Same sex marriage comes down to an issue of human rights. There is no reason why these rights should not be extended to homosexuals. They are not second-class citizens, and America is supposed to be a bastion of freedom. Why should freedom stop short for some?
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All I can say is, if you don't "buy into the fear" then you have no idea what's going on in the REAL world, like many other liberals in this country.
Once again, I never claimed to be liberal. And I also said that this fear which is being conjured up is unfounded, indicating that it is not based on facts.
Kindly explain to me the difference between a liberal, a progressive, and a statist as, imo they are interchangeable in the way that they are used today.
Fair enough. I suppose liberal and progressive could be used interchangeably--not sure about statist, though. Either way, progressives are responsible for a lot of good in America. I don't think the Revolution would have happened without progressives, and weren't the Republicans at one time considered progressive, too? Abraham Lincoln comes to mind. I'm sure there were plenty of people who looked at them as "horrid liberals" at one point. Something to think about, maybe.
Think about this. Liberals and progressives of the past actually SUPPORTED individual rights. What so-called liberals today support are far from it. That's where the statist comes in. I will not take credit for that as it was coined by Mark Levin in his book "Liberty and Tyranny". But, basically, a statist is one who supports central government planning and control, especially of economic policy, at the COST of individual rights. Don't tell me about the wonderful things that liberals have done in the past. Tell me about the wonderful things they are doing today.
Well, I'd say that while liberals may want to look to the government for more, they also challenge it more. I think that liberals are very much in favor of an individual's rights. Freedom of choice, separation of church and state, and same-sex marriage, among others, are predominantly liberal causes. All things considered, I don't really consider Democrats to be liberals. Maybe next to staunch Conservatives, but really, any more it seems as thought the Dems and the GOP are pretty similar.
Liberals appear to be for freedom of choice when it involves a woman's choice to give birth or have an abortion; but they don't seem to favor choice so much when it comes to allowing me to choose how I spend my money. They seem to believe my individual freedom to spend the money that I earned is less important than their right to tax me excessively and spend my money the way they see fit.
Separation of church and state? This is solely an issue of not having a government sanctioned religion where people can be persecuted if they happen to be of a different faith (e.g. Iran). The U.S. already has this without any challenges from liberals. What I see liberals concerned with is things like not displaying Christmas manger scenes in public buildings or not posting the Ten Commandments in courthouses.
Same sex marriage? How does this help the country or society? Marriage is an existing institution and I think you know what it's based on so I don't need to elaborate? Where is the benefit to society of same sex "marriage"?
As for the Democrats and Republicans being pretty similar, you won't get much of an argument from me there. But then I don't consider Obama a Democrat.
So, since there is no government sanctioned religion, why would religious articles need to be displayed on state property? Liberals aren't challenging SOC&S, either. They support it.
Same sex marriage comes down to an issue of human rights. There is no reason why these rights should not be extended to homosexuals. They are not second-class citizens, and America is supposed to be a bastion of freedom. Why should freedom stop short for some?
You support homo marriage? there is no such thing as homo marriage. What human rights it goes against everything logical. I think you are a leftist loon
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All I can say is, if you don't "buy into the fear" then you have no idea what's going on in the REAL world, like many other liberals in this country.
Once again, I never claimed to be liberal. And I also said that this fear which is being conjured up is unfounded, indicating that it is not based on facts.
Kindly explain to me the difference between a liberal, a progressive, and a statist as, imo they are interchangeable in the way that they are used today.
Fair enough. I suppose liberal and progressive could be used interchangeably--not sure about statist, though. Either way, progressives are responsible for a lot of good in America. I don't think the Revolution would have happened without progressives, and weren't the Republicans at one time considered progressive, too? Abraham Lincoln comes to mind. I'm sure there were plenty of people who looked at them as "horrid liberals" at one point. Something to think about, maybe.
Think about this. Liberals and progressives of the past actually SUPPORTED individual rights. What so-called liberals today support are far from it. That's where the statist comes in. I will not take credit for that as it was coined by Mark Levin in his book "Liberty and Tyranny". But, basically, a statist is one who supports central government planning and control, especially of economic policy, at the COST of individual rights. Don't tell me about the wonderful things that liberals have done in the past. Tell me about the wonderful things they are doing today.
Well, I'd say that while liberals may want to look to the government for more, they also challenge it more. I think that liberals are very much in favor of an individual's rights. Freedom of choice, separation of church and state, and same-sex marriage, among others, are predominantly liberal causes. All things considered, I don't really consider Democrats to be liberals. Maybe next to staunch Conservatives, but really, any more it seems as thought the Dems and the GOP are pretty similar.
Liberals appear to be for freedom of choice when it involves a woman's choice to give birth or have an abortion; but they don't seem to favor choice so much when it comes to allowing me to choose how I spend my money. They seem to believe my individual freedom to spend the money that I earned is less important than their right to tax me excessively and spend my money the way they see fit.
Separation of church and state? This is solely an issue of not having a government sanctioned religion where people can be persecuted if they happen to be of a different faith (e.g. Iran). The U.S. already has this without any challenges from liberals. What I see liberals concerned with is things like not displaying Christmas manger scenes in public buildings or not posting the Ten Commandments in courthouses.
Same sex marriage? How does this help the country or society? Marriage is an existing institution and I think you know what it's based on so I don't need to elaborate? Where is the benefit to society of same sex "marriage"?
As for the Democrats and Republicans being pretty similar, you won't get much of an argument from me there. But then I don't consider Obama a Democrat.
So, since there is no government sanctioned religion, why would religious articles need to be displayed on state property? Liberals aren't challenging SOC&S, either. They support it.
Same sex marriage comes down to an issue of human rights. There is no reason why these rights should not be extended to homosexuals. They are not second-class citizens, and America is supposed to be a bastion of freedom. Why should freedom stop short for some?
You miss my point. I did not mean that liberals challenge SOC&S, I meant that the U.S. has never had a government sanctioned religion; it did not take a liberal challenge to bring that about. And since the display of a religious item, which many times has been there for many decades, does not equate to mandatory sanctioning of a state religion (i.e. displaying the Ten Commandments at a state courthouse does not equate to Judaism being the official state religion) what difference does it make?
What rights would be afforded to homosexuals by government sanctioned same-sex marriage? What freedoms are they currently being denied? There is no law preventing them from carrying on an exclusive relationship with one individual.
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All I can say is, if you don't "buy into the fear" then you have no idea what's going on in the REAL world, like many other liberals in this country.
Once again, I never claimed to be liberal. And I also said that this fear which is being conjured up is unfounded, indicating that it is not based on facts.
Kindly explain to me the difference between a liberal, a progressive, and a statist as, imo they are interchangeable in the way that they are used today.
Fair enough. I suppose liberal and progressive could be used interchangeably--not sure about statist, though. Either way, progressives are responsible for a lot of good in America. I don't think the Revolution would have happened without progressives, and weren't the Republicans at one time considered progressive, too? Abraham Lincoln comes to mind. I'm sure there were plenty of people who looked at them as "horrid liberals" at one point. Something to think about, maybe.
Think about this. Liberals and progressives of the past actually SUPPORTED individual rights. What so-called liberals today support are far from it. That's where the statist comes in. I will not take credit for that as it was coined by Mark Levin in his book "Liberty and Tyranny". But, basically, a statist is one who supports central government planning and control, especially of economic policy, at the COST of individual rights. Don't tell me about the wonderful things that liberals have done in the past. Tell me about the wonderful things they are doing today.
Well, I'd say that while liberals may want to look to the government for more, they also challenge it more. I think that liberals are very much in favor of an individual's rights. Freedom of choice, separation of church and state, and same-sex marriage, among others, are predominantly liberal causes. All things considered, I don't really consider Democrats to be liberals. Maybe next to staunch Conservatives, but really, any more it seems as thought the Dems and the GOP are pretty similar.
Liberals appear to be for freedom of choice when it involves a woman's choice to give birth or have an abortion; but they don't seem to favor choice so much when it comes to allowing me to choose how I spend my money. They seem to believe my individual freedom to spend the money that I earned is less important than their right to tax me excessively and spend my money the way they see fit.
Separation of church and state? This is solely an issue of not having a government sanctioned religion where people can be persecuted if they happen to be of a different faith (e.g. Iran). The U.S. already has this without any challenges from liberals. What I see liberals concerned with is things like not displaying Christmas manger scenes in public buildings or not posting the Ten Commandments in courthouses.
Same sex marriage? How does this help the country or society? Marriage is an existing institution and I think you know what it's based on so I don't need to elaborate? Where is the benefit to society of same sex "marriage"?
As for the Democrats and Republicans being pretty similar, you won't get much of an argument from me there. But then I don't consider Obama a Democrat.
So, since there is no government sanctioned religion, why would religious articles need to be displayed on state property? Liberals aren't challenging SOC&S, either. They support it.
Same sex marriage comes down to an issue of human rights. There is no reason why these rights should not be extended to homosexuals. They are not second-class citizens, and America is supposed to be a bastion of freedom. Why should freedom stop short for some?
You miss my point. I did not mean that liberals challenge SOC&S, I meant that the U.S. has never had a government sanctioned religion; it did not take a liberal challenge to bring that about. And since the display of a religious item, which many times has been there for many decades, does not equate to mandatory sanctioning of a state religion (i.e. displaying the Ten Commandments at a state courthouse does not equate to Judaism being the official state religion) what difference does it make?
What rights would be afforded to homosexuals by government sanctioned same-sex marriage? What freedoms are they currently being denied? There is no law preventing them from carrying on an exclusive relationship with one individual.
It's not just about government sanctioned religion, though. It's about keeping the two establishments separate, so that government does not interfere with religious practice, and religion does not interfere with the practices of the government.
Regarding same-sex marriage, here are some benefits currently being denied:
Assumption of Spouse's Pension
Automatic Inheritance
Automatic Housing Lease Transfer
Bereavement Leave
Burial Determination
Child Custody
Crime Victim's Recovery Benefits
Divorce Protections
Domestic Violence Protection
Exemption from Property Tax on Partner's Death
Immunity from Testifying Against Spouse
Insurance Breaks
Joint Adoption and Foster Care
Joint Bankruptcy
Joint Parenting (Insurance Coverage, School Records)
Medical Decisions on Behalf of Partner
Certain Property Rights
Reduced Rate Memberships
Sick Leave to Care for Partner
Visitation of Partner's Children
Visitation of Partner in Hospital or Prison
Wrongful Death (Loss of Consort) Benefits
It's not just that, though. How would you feel if you were told that, by law, you could not marry the person whom you love? So much garbage comes from the right on this issue, especially talking about "preserving family values". Why is it, then, that so many proponents of this preservation are seemingly content to destroy their own marriages and take their families for granted? Put yourself in someone else's shoes.
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It's not just about government sanctioned religion, though. It's about keeping the two establishments separate, so that government does not interfere with religious practice, and religion does not interfere with the practices of the government.
Regarding same-sex marriage, here are some benefits currently being denied:
Assumption of Spouse's Pension
Automatic Inheritance
Automatic Housing Lease Transfer
Bereavement Leave
Burial Determination
Child Custody
Crime Victim's Recovery Benefits
Divorce Protections
Domestic Violence Protection
Exemption from Property Tax on Partner's Death
Immunity from Testifying Against Spouse
Insurance Breaks
Joint Adoption and Foster Care
Joint Bankruptcy
Joint Parenting (Insurance Coverage, School Records)
Medical Decisions on Behalf of Partner
Certain Property Rights
Reduced Rate Memberships
Sick Leave to Care for Partner
Visitation of Partner's Children
Visitation of Partner in Hospital or Prison
Wrongful Death (Loss of Consort) Benefits
It's not just that, though. How would you feel if you were told that, by law, you could not marry the person whom you love? So much garbage comes from the right on this issue, especially talking about "preserving family values". Why is it, then, that so many proponents of this preservation are seemingly content to destroy their own marriages and take their families for granted? Put yourself in someone else's shoes.
Again I ask, what difference does it make? How does the display of a religious item in a public building that was built in 1900 and has been there for over 100 years interfere with the practice of government?
As for your same-sex marriage argument, you began by speaking of rights and freedoms but you list nothing more than benefits. The government can pass or revoke any law it wants affording someone benefits or taking them away. It can't do than with a person's freedom or rights.
But you evade my original question. You have made this a debate on the merits of separation of church & state and same-sex marriage. Where are all the other individual liberties that liberals fight for?
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Oh good G-d!! GIMME A BREAK!!!
The poor HOMOSEXUALS now, the ones that are FORCING their ABOMINATIONS on kids in schools with their HOMOSEXUAL agenda, this is PATHETIC.
this SICK world is going to have to take things up with G-d:
Homosexuality and bestiality
Lev 18:22-29 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination.
You DO know that there IS a place called SODOM AND GOMORRAH? You also know that there IS a disease that wiped out MUCH of the homosexual populace, it is called AIDS/HIV.
And SPARE me that G-d didn't DO that. G-d HATES things that would DEFILE the BODY.
G-d ALWAYS has to take a BAD rap from his moral high-grounders:
THE PROGRESSIVE LIBERALS.
the ones who think they are G-D, and are his LAST say!
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It's not just about government sanctioned religion, though. It's about keeping the two establishments separate, so that government does not interfere with religious practice, and religion does not interfere with the practices of the government.
Regarding same-sex marriage, here are some benefits currently being denied:
Assumption of Spouse's Pension
Automatic Inheritance
Automatic Housing Lease Transfer
Bereavement Leave
Burial Determination
Child Custody
Crime Victim's Recovery Benefits
Divorce Protections
Domestic Violence Protection
Exemption from Property Tax on Partner's Death
Immunity from Testifying Against Spouse
Insurance Breaks
Joint Adoption and Foster Care
Joint Bankruptcy
Joint Parenting (Insurance Coverage, School Records)
Medical Decisions on Behalf of Partner
Certain Property Rights
Reduced Rate Memberships
Sick Leave to Care for Partner
Visitation of Partner's Children
Visitation of Partner in Hospital or Prison
Wrongful Death (Loss of Consort) Benefits
It's not just that, though. How would you feel if you were told that, by law, you could not marry the person whom you love? So much garbage comes from the right on this issue, especially talking about "preserving family values". Why is it, then, that so many proponents of this preservation are seemingly content to destroy their own marriages and take their families for granted? Put yourself in someone else's shoes.
Again I ask, what difference does it make? How does the display of a religious item in a public building that was built in 1900 and has been there for over 100 years interfere with the practice of government?
As for your same-sex marriage argument, you began by speaking of rights and freedoms but you list nothing more than benefits. The government can pass or revoke any law it wants affording someone benefits or taking them away. It can't do than with a person's freedom or rights.
But you evade my original question. You have made this a debate on the merits of separation of church & state and same-sex marriage. Where are all the other individual liberties that liberals fight for?
The displaying of religious items does not directly interfere with any actions, but it goes against the principle of SOC&S.
That is indeed a list of benefits...that married couples have a right to. Same sex couples are denied the right to those benefits.
I thought I answered your original question, but how about the individual libery to express oneself? The concept of freedom from excessive security?
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Oh good G-d!! GIMME A BREAK!!!
The poor HOMOSEXUALS now, the ones that are FORCING their ABOMINATIONS on kids in schools with their HOMOSEXUAL agenda, this is PATHETIC.
this SICK world is going to have to take things up with G-d:
Homosexuality and bestiality
Lev 18:22-29 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination.
You DO know that there IS a place called SODOM AND GOMORRAH? You also know that there IS a disease that wiped out MUCH of the homosexual populace, it is called AIDS/HIV.
And SPARE me that G-d didn't DO that. G-d HATES things that would DEFILE the BODY.
G-d ALWAYS has to take a BAD rap from his moral high-grounders:
THE PROGRESSIVE LIBERALS.
the ones who think they are G-D, and are his LAST say!
It was an abomination according to those who wrote it.
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Oh good G-d!! GIMME A BREAK!!!
The poor HOMOSEXUALS now, the ones that are FORCING their ABOMINATIONS on kids in schools with their HOMOSEXUAL agenda, this is PATHETIC.
this SICK world is going to have to take things up with G-d:
Homosexuality and bestiality
Lev 18:22-29 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination.
You DO know that there IS a place called SODOM AND GOMORRAH? You also know that there IS a disease that wiped out MUCH of the homosexual populace, it is called AIDS/HIV.
And SPARE me that G-d didn't DO that. G-d HATES things that would DEFILE the BODY.
G-d ALWAYS has to take a BAD rap from his moral high-grounders:
THE PROGRESSIVE LIBERALS.
the ones who think they are G-D, and are his LAST say!
It was an abomination according to those who wrote it.
Refute AIDS and HIV, and that OVERWHELMING majority is DEAD for doing these ABOMINATIONS against G-d.
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Just remember, Conservatives need to represent values and policies. What kind of policies will Sarah institute? We will see more from her in which to make our judgements in the future. I will not settle for someone who is moderate, or in the middle ever again. I want someone who stands up for democracy, freedom, and Capitalism, and who is against these dam muslims!
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I will push for Sarah as a talk show host, NOT a president. Matter of fact, I dont even think there will be another presidency. Im probably wrong, but the way things are going, I see G-d DESTROYING this place.
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I do not believe that Mrs. Palin will run in 2012. The ghouls at MSNBC are on a 24/7 jihad against her, as is the media as a whole. Her strength is a campaigner and a fund raiser.
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I do not believe that Mrs. Palin will run in 2012. The ghouls at MSNBC are on a 24/7 jihad against her, as is the media as a whole. Her strength is a campaigner and a fund raiser.
If she is pushing for the GOP to be PURGED, then I am with her 100%, but until then, the FRAUD GOP can RIP for all I care.
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I will push for Sarah as a talk show host, NOT a president. Matter of fact, I dont even think there will be another presidency. Im probably wrong, but the way things are going, I see G-d DESTROYING this place.
That thought's been on my mind a lot lately. Gd can't remain silent forever and, sooner or later, it'll be like the day when Noah sealed himself up inside of the ark.
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I will push for Sarah as a talk show host, NOT a president. Matter of fact, I dont even think there will be another presidency. Im probably wrong, but the way things are going, I see G-d DESTROYING this place.
That thought's been on my mind a lot lately. Gd can't remain silent forever and, sooner or later, it'll be like the day when Noah sealed himself up inside of the ark.
Saxon, as much as I have loved my country, I agree, sadly.
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Saxon, as much as I have loved my country, I agree, sadly.
The U.S. was a great country, the greatest ever, but like all good things it had to come to an end. Gd will have his way; something better will come along when Moshiach appears.
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It's not just about government sanctioned religion, though. It's about keeping the two establishments separate, so that government does not interfere with religious practice, and religion does not interfere with the practices of the government.
Regarding same-sex marriage, here are some benefits currently being denied:
Assumption of Spouse's Pension
Automatic Inheritance
Automatic Housing Lease Transfer
Bereavement Leave
Burial Determination
Child Custody
Crime Victim's Recovery Benefits
Divorce Protections
Domestic Violence Protection
Exemption from Property Tax on Partner's Death
Immunity from Testifying Against Spouse
Insurance Breaks
Joint Adoption and Foster Care
Joint Bankruptcy
Joint Parenting (Insurance Coverage, School Records)
Medical Decisions on Behalf of Partner
Certain Property Rights
Reduced Rate Memberships
Sick Leave to Care for Partner
Visitation of Partner's Children
Visitation of Partner in Hospital or Prison
Wrongful Death (Loss of Consort) Benefits
It's not just that, though. How would you feel if you were told that, by law, you could not marry the person whom you love? So much garbage comes from the right on this issue, especially talking about "preserving family values". Why is it, then, that so many proponents of this preservation are seemingly content to destroy their own marriages and take their families for granted? Put yourself in someone else's shoes.
Again I ask, what difference does it make? How does the display of a religious item in a public building that was built in 1900 and has been there for over 100 years interfere with the practice of government?
As for your same-sex marriage argument, you began by speaking of rights and freedoms but you list nothing more than benefits. The government can pass or revoke any law it wants affording someone benefits or taking them away. It can't do than with a person's freedom or rights.
But you evade my original question. You have made this a debate on the merits of separation of church & state and same-sex marriage. Where are all the other individual liberties that liberals fight for?
The displaying of religious items does not directly interfere with any actions, but it goes against the principle of SOC&S.
That is indeed a list of benefits...that married couples have a right to. Same sex couples are denied the right to those benefits.
I thought I answered your original question, but how about the individual libery to express oneself? The concept of freedom from excessive security?
Actually I asked you to list all the freedoms that liberals fight for and you have persisted in talking about separation of church and state, and same-sex marriage, neither of which are guaranteed in the Constitution. Additionally, you call a list of benefits, that have been legislated by the state, rights.
Also, you did not explain to me how the modern day liberal is differentiated from the statist.
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Given that buggery and sodomy were outlawed in England in the 16th century, I doubt that the Founding Fathers had same-sex "marriage" on their minds when they drafted the U.S. Constitution.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buggery_Act
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It's not just about government sanctioned religion, though. It's about keeping the two establishments separate, so that government does not interfere with religious practice, and religion does not interfere with the practices of the government.
Regarding same-sex marriage, here are some benefits currently being denied:
Assumption of Spouse's Pension
Automatic Inheritance
Automatic Housing Lease Transfer
Bereavement Leave
Burial Determination
Child Custody
Crime Victim's Recovery Benefits
Divorce Protections
Domestic Violence Protection
Exemption from Property Tax on Partner's Death
Immunity from Testifying Against Spouse
Insurance Breaks
Joint Adoption and Foster Care
Joint Bankruptcy
Joint Parenting (Insurance Coverage, School Records)
Medical Decisions on Behalf of Partner
Certain Property Rights
Reduced Rate Memberships
Sick Leave to Care for Partner
Visitation of Partner's Children
Visitation of Partner in Hospital or Prison
Wrongful Death (Loss of Consort) Benefits
It's not just that, though. How would you feel if you were told that, by law, you could not marry the person whom you love? So much garbage comes from the right on this issue, especially talking about "preserving family values". Why is it, then, that so many proponents of this preservation are seemingly content to destroy their own marriages and take their families for granted? Put yourself in someone else's shoes.
Again I ask, what difference does it make? How does the display of a religious item in a public building that was built in 1900 and has been there for over 100 years interfere with the practice of government?
As for your same-sex marriage argument, you began by speaking of rights and freedoms but you list nothing more than benefits. The government can pass or revoke any law it wants affording someone benefits or taking them away. It can't do than with a person's freedom or rights.
But you evade my original question. You have made this a debate on the merits of separation of church & state and same-sex marriage. Where are all the other individual liberties that liberals fight for?
The displaying of religious items does not directly interfere with any actions, but it goes against the principle of SOC&S.
That is indeed a list of benefits...that married couples have a right to. Same sex couples are denied the right to those benefits.
I thought I answered your original question, but how about the individual libery to express oneself? The concept of freedom from excessive security?
Actually I asked you to list all the freedoms that liberals fight for and you have persisted in talking about separation of church and state, and same-sex marriage, neither of which are guaranteed in the Constitution. Additionally, you call a list of benefits, that have been legislated by the state, rights.
Also, you did not explain to me how the modern day liberal is differentiated from the statist.
Those are two large issues, and you have been willing to harp on them just as much as I have. Furthermore, just because you don't think them important does not make them issues that should be simply written off. And how would you suggest I go about listing all of the freedoms that liberals fight for? I talked on major subjects about which I know; I don't presume to have every cause committed to memory. I will concede the point that a large group of the most recognized liberals nowadays seem to be open to the government being more in control of certain aspects, and I do disagree with that. I cannot honestly defend 'all liberals'. Upon looking into statism, I see where you were coming from. The ways in which I am a liberal do not fully align with those groups.
On the same sex marriage issue: whether they are benefits or rights, they are readily given to one group of people, and denied to another. If we are going to be a nation that promotes equality, we must all first be equals.
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RationalMinority- And how would you suggest I go about listing all of the freedoms that liberals fight for?
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RM, that was in the PAST, like the 1960's, they are SICK now- the ONLY people that are fighting for OUR rights are the Tea Party protesters, and the right wing. Liberals are fascists and want total CONTROL.
Why don't you GO BACK and READ everything I put up here, I 100% GUARANTEE that everything I posted WILL come to pass, it usually always does, UNFORTUNATELY.
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I'm not backing her anymore
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Why don't you GO BACK and READ everything I put up here, I 100% GUARANTEE that everything I posted WILL come to pass, it usually always does, UNFORTUNATELY.
What are you referring to? What will come to pass?
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Why don't you GO BACK and READ everything I put up here, I 100% GUARANTEE that everything I posted WILL come to pass, it usually always does, UNFORTUNATELY.
What are you referring to? What will come to pass?
If you look at things the way they are going, and look at my posts, we ARE going to come under a terrible dictatorship. I am not a 'soothe-sayer' etc.. but watching the USA turn over to evil, its just a matter of time, before USA gives over to dictatorship. Its happening now- the govt. owns EVERYTHING that is VITAL; car cos., banks, taking over healthcare. This is Communist Russia and Germany here in USA.
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Why don't you GO BACK and READ everything I put up here, I 100% GUARANTEE that everything I posted WILL come to pass, it usually always does, UNFORTUNATELY.
What are you referring to? What will come to pass?
If you look at things the way they are going, and look at my posts, we ARE going to come under a terrible dictatorship. I am not a 'soothe-sayer' etc.. but watching the USA turn over to evil, its just a matter of time, before USA gives over to dictatorship. Its happening now- the govt. owns EVERYTHING that is VITAL; car cos., banks, taking over healthcare. This is Communist Russia and Germany here in USA.
AsheDina is 100% CORRECT! I have never seen so much CHANGE in such a short amount of time and all for the worst. I just wish people would WAKE the hell up and smell the coffee!
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arksis,
The people of the U.S. don't want to have change except change for the worse. They no longer believe in Gd like the Americans in former generations did, when the fear of Gd was what motivated many aspects of American culture. Now, Gd is seen as a joke by most of America, or they say that the believe in Him- and blatantly ignore what the Bible says about Him. :o
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I'll support her if her support remains strong in 2012. Current polls show Hussein and Romney tied at 45 and Hussein is beating Palin 47-42.
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arksis,
The people of the U.S. don't want to have change except change for the worse. They no longer believe in Gd like the Americans in former generations did, when the fear of Gd was what motivated many aspects of American culture. Now, Gd is seen as a joke by most of America, or they say that the believe in Him- and blatantly ignore what the Bible says about Him. :o
You are so right Saxon Marauder! No one has morals anymore and to me, that is the most important trait of a person. What a shame. People are so "ME" oriented and selfish anymore.
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You are so right Saxon Marauder! No one has morals anymore and to me, that is the most important trait of a person. What a shame. People are so "ME" oriented and selfish anymore.
Gd will recognize his own on the day of judgment and all of these me-oriented people will regret ever having mocked Gd and His people. He calls us all, Jew and Gdfearing non-Jew, His "very own." A better term is the moral minority, people who're trying to live a good life and dealing with life as it arises. These people are like Job, who have <<bleep>> happen to them, but who don't curse Gd.
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You are so right Saxon Marauder! No one has morals anymore and to me, that is the most important trait of a person. What a shame. People are so "ME" oriented and selfish anymore.
Gd will recognize his own on the day of judgment and all of these me-oriented people will regret ever having mocked Gd and His people. He calls us all, Jew and Gdfearing non-Jew, His "very own." A better term is the moral minority, people who're trying to live a good life and dealing with life as it arises. These people are like Job, who have <<bleep>> happen to them, but who don't curse Gd.
Some people, though, just have morals not tied down to a certain religion. Being secular does not automatically make someone immoral, just as being religious does not automatically make someone a model of morality.
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Why don't you GO BACK and READ everything I put up here, I 100% GUARANTEE that everything I posted WILL come to pass, it usually always does, UNFORTUNATELY.
What are you referring to? What will come to pass?
If you look at things the way they are going, and look at my posts, we ARE going to come under a terrible dictatorship. I am not a 'soothe-sayer' etc.. but watching the USA turn over to evil, its just a matter of time, before USA gives over to dictatorship. Its happening now- the govt. owns EVERYTHING that is VITAL; car cos., banks, taking over healthcare. This is Communist Russia and Germany here in USA.
AsheDina is 100% CORRECT! I have never seen so much CHANGE in such a short amount of time and all for the worst. I just wish people would WAKE the hell up and smell the coffee!
With gullible usless people that REFUSE to LOOK at the picture, like RationalMinority, WE ARE DOOMED.
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Why don't you GO BACK and READ everything I put up here, I 100% GUARANTEE that everything I posted WILL come to pass, it usually always does, UNFORTUNATELY.
What are you referring to? What will come to pass?
If you look at things the way they are going, and look at my posts, we ARE going to come under a terrible dictatorship. I am not a 'soothe-sayer' etc.. but watching the USA turn over to evil, its just a matter of time, before USA gives over to dictatorship. Its happening now- the govt. owns EVERYTHING that is VITAL; car cos., banks, taking over healthcare. This is Communist Russia and Germany here in USA.
AsheDina is 100% CORRECT! I have never seen so much CHANGE in such a short amount of time and all for the worst. I just wish people would WAKE the hell up and smell the coffee!
With gullible usless people that REFUSE to LOOK at the picture, like RationalMinority, WE ARE DOOMED.
I agree Paulette and the MAJORITY in this country are exactly that! >:(
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Why don't you GO BACK and READ everything I put up here, I 100% GUARANTEE that everything I posted WILL come to pass, it usually always does, UNFORTUNATELY.
What are you referring to? What will come to pass?
If you look at things the way they are going, and look at my posts, we ARE going to come under a terrible dictatorship. I am not a 'soothe-sayer' etc.. but watching the USA turn over to evil, its just a matter of time, before USA gives over to dictatorship. Its happening now- the govt. owns EVERYTHING that is VITAL; car cos., banks, taking over healthcare. This is Communist Russia and Germany here in USA.
AsheDina is 100% CORRECT! I have never seen so much CHANGE in such a short amount of time and all for the worst. I just wish people would WAKE the hell up and smell the coffee!
With gullible usless people that REFUSE to LOOK at the picture, like RationalMinority, WE ARE DOOMED.
This is the slipperiest slope I've ever been on!
Also, people who are gullible are usually those who believe everything they're told, without questioning. That is not the kind of person I am, but it does sound familiar...
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Why don't you GO BACK and READ everything I put up here, I 100% GUARANTEE that everything I posted WILL come to pass, it usually always does, UNFORTUNATELY.
What are you referring to? What will come to pass?
If you look at things the way they are going, and look at my posts, we ARE going to come under a terrible dictatorship. I am not a 'soothe-sayer' etc.. but watching the USA turn over to evil, its just a matter of time, before USA gives over to dictatorship. Its happening now- the govt. owns EVERYTHING that is VITAL; car cos., banks, taking over healthcare. This is Communist Russia and Germany here in USA.
AsheDina is 100% CORRECT! I have never seen so much CHANGE in such a short amount of time and all for the worst. I just wish people would WAKE the hell up and smell the coffee!
With gullible usless people that REFUSE to LOOK at the picture, like RationalMinority, WE ARE DOOMED.
This is the slipperiest slope I've ever been on!
Also, people who are gullible are usually those who believe everything they're told, without questioning. That is not the kind of person I am, but it does sound familiar...
Yes, those who ARE GULLIBLE believe in Obama. So you are right on about yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdPSqL9_mfM
You DO realize that right wing IS the minority, dont you?? You DO realize that Obama, the Bolsheviks, the leftists and the Marxists ARE in charge, don't you??
WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO WAKE THE HELL UP AND SEE THAT WE ARE THE REAL MINORITY??
(http://moneypennydd.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/obamaworld.jpg)
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Some people, though, just have morals not tied down to a certain religion. Being secular does not automatically make someone immoral, just as being religious does not automatically make someone a model of morality.
This is quite true, but secular morals aren't always in agreement with Gd's commandments. This is what makes me very leery when people say that morality can exist apart from Gd.
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Some people, though, just have morals not tied down to a certain religion. Being secular does not automatically make someone immoral, just as being religious does not automatically make someone a model of morality.
This is quite true, but secular morals aren't always in agreement with Gd's commandments. This is what makes me very leery when people say that morality can exist apart from Gd.
I quite agree Saxon
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Palin is not a dummy, I think she is brilliant and her stratagy looks like it is might work
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Palin is not a dummy, I think she is brilliant and her stratagy looks like it might work
Ditto that.
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It's not a question of how smart Palin is, it's a question of how experienced she is to lead the U.S. through a difficult time in its history- perhaps the most difficult time in its history. :o
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It's not a question of how smart Palin is, it's a question of how experienced she is to lead the U.S. through a difficult time in its history- perhaps the most difficult time in its history. :o
It's a legitimate and fair question you raised.
One reason why I'm confident that Sarah Palin is up for the very difficult task is that she has the instincts to make good decisions, in addition to a high level of intelligence and an excellent work ethic. Combining this with the Executive experience that Sarah Palin has, along with a strong biblical religious foundation and overall Conservative values, I believe she's the best viable President candidate in a VERY long time. The fact that she's a Beltway outsider is yet another plus.
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The question is important in that it implies that the candidate for office has the age, experience and knowledge to be President. Gd alone knows why we've had so many worthless politicians, perhaps to show us the error of our ways, but enough is enough. I had the feeling that with Obongo, Gd was saying to us, "This is what you want, so here you go; I am giving you exactly what you ask for." Rather like in the case of King Saul, who wasn't the best, Gd listened to the people- who got what they asked for in the end. A piss-poor leader will make the people long for something better and, hopefully, remember that it's Gd who raises up leaders (and casts them out too). There had to be a Saul with his evil spirit before there could be a David.
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It's not a question of how smart Palin is, it's a question of how experienced she is to lead the U.S. through a difficult time in its history- perhaps the most difficult time in its history. :o
It's a legitimate and fair question you raised.
One reason why I'm confident that Sarah Palin is up for the very difficult task is that she has the instincts to make good decisions, in addition to a high level of intelligence and an excellent work ethic. Combining this with the Executive experience that Sarah Palin has, along with a strong biblical religious foundation and overall Conservative values, I believe she's the best viable President candidate in a VERY long time. The fact that she's a Beltway outsider is yet another plus.
eb22 is EXACTLY right!
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The question is important in that it implies that the candidate for office has the age, experience and knowledge to be President. Gd alone knows why we've had so many worthless politicians, perhaps to show us the error of our ways, but enough is enough. I had the feeling that with Obongo, Gd was saying to us, "This is what you want, so here you go; I am giving you exactly what you ask for." Rather like in the case of King Saul, who wasn't the best, Gd listened to the people- who got what they asked for in the end. A piss-poor leader will make the people long for something better and, hopefully, remember that it's Gd who raises up leaders (and casts them out too). There had to be a Saul with his evil spirit before there could be a David.
I agree Saxon Marauder, kind of like a "you reap what you sow" scenario. Your answer to this question makes perfect sense and you cited a perfect example, thank you!
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I read over about Sarah Palin's credentials. I do think she is qualified, I do think she knows what she is doing. This is why the media and the establishment are so afraid and will do anything to smear this woman's reputation. As it turns out she is not one of these hacks that will sell her soul to the devil. And after what we are having now, with such a nightmare she will be a breath of fresh air. At one time they thought Ronald Reagan was not qualified "he was a Hollywood actor" and turned out to be one of the best presidents in our nation's history. And now the gloves are off, she will get adjusted and will be ready. If she runs, not only willl I contribute but I want to volunteer my time to endorse and push the word out for her election. They are afraid of her cause they know she is the real deal and not some Washington sell out.
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I agree Saxon Marauder, kind of like a "you reap what you sow" scenario. Your answer to this question makes perfect sense and you cited a perfect example, thank you!
Gd gives people exactly what they ask for, although not always in the way they asked for it. The voting majority in the U.S. wanted "change" and "hope" and they got what they wanted- in the form of Obongo and a leftist-dominated Congress. I couldn't really think of another example except King Saul, who did start out as a good ruler, but later forgot his obligations.
Obongo is a slickster who doesn't have any good intentions. Or, if he did have good intentions, he left them at the door when he checked into politics. Now, the U.S. has to deal with this upswell of bilge like gays wanting to get married, multiculturalism and the erosion of its Biblical values. There was always a middle way between secularism and theism, but now the pendulum has swung too far to the secularist camp. When "free-thinkers" are allowed to mock Gd in public under the guise of "free speech," all this does is sow dissension in the countries. Gd's Bible is mocked, Christians and Jews are mocked, but you never hear the same things said about the Muslims and their nasty Koran. I think it's because the leftists have found, in the Muslims, a weapon to use against the Judeo-Christian heritage in the U.S. (which these people hate with a passion that borders on being a psychosis).
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Just sharing here, I worked hard for Palin during the elections, given the choice. She is pro-Israel, independent, and outsider and someone with faith. I saw no one else speaking up for Israel and as a Christian who supports Israel and know the safety of this nation depends on Israel making no concessions to evil within and without, I worked for the only candidate I saw I could support. That being said, the future is mirky to say the least, but you know what, the unknown factor in all of this is G-d. He can bring someone in from the right field of the ball park. From somewhere, someone can rise to the top.
Look, if the devil himself in the White House can rise to the top out of no where, so can someone righteous. This is what I am praying for, watching the news, looking at people who say intelligent things, people who question and debate with the evil. There are a few senators, republicans giving Obama a hard time, so at this point I do not know who I will work for, but I will work. I will read, investigate, check voting records, listen to their speeches, and above all pray, pray like I have never prayed before, for the 2010 elections. My motto is, and I am thinking of starting a site, which simple says VOTE THEM OUT. Vote out everyone who does not respect the American citizens, who does not support Israel, who does not support life, who does not support the constitution and democracy, and our collective faiths, who does not want to seal our borders and get rid of all the illegal immigrants, who steal our tax money to pay for their ridiculous give away plan.
2010 is around the corners, and if enough of these demons are voted out of the congress and house, and this health care might be their demise, then there is room for some of this legislation to be trashed, and enough to stop the insanity.
Will I support Palin again? Yes, she is a righteous woman in my opinion, not perfect, but the best I have seen in character, and with G-d, I believe that counts more than many other issues. Thanks for allowing me to speak my mind here.
The devil is on the loose in America, and he is working in many forms and through many people, so we must work and pray as never before. It is extraordinary, what is happening. I do have faith though that the koolaid effects are wearing off.
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Just sharing here, I worked hard for Palin during the elections, given the choice. She is pro-Israel, independent, and outsider and someone with faith. I saw no one else speaking up for Israel and as a Christian who support Israel and know the safety of this nation depends on Israel making no concessions to evil within and without, I worked for the only candidate I saw I could support. That being said, the future is merky to say the least, but you know what, the unknown factor in all of this is G-d. He can bring someone in from the right field of the ball park. From somewhere, someone can rise to the top.
Look, if the devil himself in the White House can rise to the top out of no where, so can someone righteous. This is what I am praying for, watching the news, looking at people who say intelligent things, people who question and debate with the evil. There are a few senators, republicans giving Obama a hard time, so at this point I do not know who I will work for, but I will work. I will read, investigate, check voting records, listen to their speeches, and above all pray, pray like I have never prayed before, for the 2010 elections. My motto is, and I am thinking of starting a site, which simple says VOTE THEM OUT. Vote out everyone who does not respect the American citizens, who does not support Israel, who does not support life, who does not support the constitution and democracy, and our collective faith, who does not want to seal our borders and get rid of all the illegal immigrants, who steal our tax money to pay for their ridiculous give away plan.
2010 is around the corners, and if enough of these demons are voted out of the congress and house, and this healthcare might be their demise, then there is room for some of this legislation to be trashed, and enough to stop the insanity.
Will I support Palin again, yes, she is a righteous woman in my opinion, not perfect, but the best I have seen in character, and with G-d, I believe that counts more than many other issues. Thanks for allowing me to speak my mind here.
The devil is on the loose in America, and he is working in many forms and through many people, so we must work and pray as never before. It is extraordinary, what is happening. I do have faith though that the koolaid effects are wearing off.
you're awesome :)
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Mo, I am not awesome, G-d is. However, He has enlightened me and for that I am grateful. I am eternally grateful to at least know the truth when I read it and hear it.
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The following is a Video on Zootube that Jackie Mason made. It's called "Palin's critics runnin' scared". This would be a 100 star video if there was such a rating. Jackie Mason is right on target with his commentary about those who attack Sarah Palin, who look the other way with Barack Hussein Obama, and the differences between Sarah Palin and BHO. If you have a few minutes, this video is well worth watching:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW3oE5Z-LVM&feature=channel_page
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Cynthia, welcome to JTF. Outstanding thoughts. Thank You!
Your efforts in support of Sarah Palin, with JTF, and overall are very much appreciated.
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May G-d Bless Jackie Mason! He is an honorable man.
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When it hits, the counterrevolution will not be televised.
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Just sharing here, I worked hard for Palin during the elections, given the choice. She is pro-Israel, independent, and outsider and someone with faith. I saw no one else speaking up for Israel and as a Christian who supports Israel and know the safety of this nation depends on Israel making no concessions to evil within and without, I worked for the only candidate I saw I could support. That being said, the future is mirky to say the least, but you know what, the unknown factor in all of this is G-d. He can bring someone in from the right field of the ball park. From somewhere, someone can rise to the top.
Look, if the devil himself in the White House can rise to the top out of no where, so can someone righteous. This is what I am praying for, watching the news, looking at people who say intelligent things, people who question and debate with the evil. There are a few senators, republicans giving Obama a hard time, so at this point I do not know who I will work for, but I will work. I will read, investigate, check voting records, listen to their speeches, and above all pray, pray like I have never prayed before, for the 2010 elections. My motto is, and I am thinking of starting a site, which simple says VOTE THEM OUT. Vote out everyone who does not respect the American citizens, who does not support Israel, who does not support life, who does not support the constitution and democracy, and our collective faiths, who does not want to seal our borders and get rid of all the illegal immigrants, who steal our tax money to pay for their ridiculous give away plan.
2010 is around the corners, and if enough of these demons are voted out of the congress and house, and this health care might be their demise, then there is room for some of this legislation to be trashed, and enough to stop the insanity.
Will I support Palin again? Yes, she is a righteous woman in my opinion, not perfect, but the best I have seen in character, and with G-d, I believe that counts more than many other issues. Thanks for allowing me to speak my mind here.
The devil is on the loose in America, and he is working in many forms and through many people, so we must work and pray as never before. It is extraordinary, what is happening. I do have faith though that the koolaid effects are wearing off.
Sarah Palin was lucky to have you on her side Cynthia! I love your passion, thank you for such an uplifting post! VOTE THEM OUT is what I have been telling folks around here too. You are so right that it's time to pray like we've never prayed before!