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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoSmDwW0zCU&feature=channel_page (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoSmDwW0zCU&feature=channel_page)
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If Vojislav Seselj was president of Serbia, than these Muslims would not be hostile towards Belgrade.
These people are totally brainwashed!!!
Vojislav Seselj would convince them with historical facts and other proves, that these Balkan Muslims are genetically Serbs! Their ancestors were Serbs who accepted the Muslim religion, so genetically they are still Serbs.
European powers who occupied Serbia (as well as the Turkish Empire) fooled the Serbian Muslims by convincing them that they are not ethnically Serbs. These Balkan Muslims still speak the language of their Serbian Orthodox ancestors.
Unfortunately colonial European powers managed to separate Serbian Catholics and Serbian Muslims from their Orthodox-Serbian relatives, by convincing them that they are not Serbs but an separated (invented) nation.
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Yeah, but they'd still be Muslims and most of the Muslims care more for their faith than nation, so, Arabs could continue to brainwash them.
Really... listen to him "Nothing here happens by accident, everything is in Allah's plan, it's no accident that right today and these days we are being visited by VP of a Superpower" (We know how much they "love" America), but, there is why they are so excited - "They've proven to the whole World that even Barack HUSSEIN Obama can be their president" (Oh, we've conquered USA, now our man is their president, oh, how we love them!!!) "His VP is coming here to us, to see how we live" (He "cares" for us so much, we are the most important part of his live!!!)
"We have no oil like our brothers Arabs" (but Arabs will always be our brothers!!!)
Arabs are their brothers and they LOVE America led by Hussein..... ehhhh... America..... you've fallen on low branches.... and so are we, when we allow this.
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If Vojislav Seselj was president of Serbia, than these Muslims would not be hostile towards Belgrade.
These people are totally brainwashed!!!
Vojislav Seselj would convince them with historical facts and other proves, that these Balkan Muslims are genetically Serbs! Their ancestors were Serbs who accepted the Muslim religion, so genetically they are still Serbs.
European powers who occupied Serbia (as well as the Turkish Empire) fooled the Serbian Muslims by convincing them that they are not ethnically Serbs. These Balkan Muslims still speak the language of their Serbian Orthodox ancestors.
Unfortunately colonial European powers managed to separate Serbian Catholics and Serbian Muslims from their Orthodox-Serbian relatives, by convincing them that they are not Serbs but an separated (invented) nation.
We on this forum don't believe in "brotherhood" with muslims. The only way they can be allowed to stay in Serbia is if they abandon their false religion, like in "Gorski Vijenac".
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We on this forum don't believe in "brotherhood" with muslims. The only way they can be allowed to stay in Serbia is if they abandon their false religion, like in "Gorski Vijenac".
Serbs do not condemn whole nations neither religons.
Serbs never had any fascist intention towards any ethnic groups of people, also not against Muslims.
Well we life in Republic of Serbia also with Muslims: that is a fact.
We need to continue to life in peace with each other. Foreigners did not manage to create a civil war between Serbian Muslims and Orthodox Serbs in the Republic of Serbia. We Serbs do not need brother wars just like in the past. We need to life in peace and realize the intent of Greater Serbia, what means an union between Orthodox Serbs, Catholic Serbs and other Serbs.
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If Vojislav Seselj was president of Serbia, than these Muslims would not be hostile towards Belgrade.
These people are totally brainwashed!!!
Vojislav Seselj would convince them with historical facts and other proves, that these Balkan Muslims are genetically Serbs! Their ancestors were Serbs who accepted the Muslim religion, so genetically they are still Serbs.
European powers who occupied Serbia (as well as the Turkish Empire) fooled the Serbian Muslims by convincing them that they are not ethnically Serbs. These Balkan Muslims still speak the language of their Serbian Orthodox ancestors.
Unfortunately colonial European powers managed to separate Serbian Catholics and Serbian Muslims from their Orthodox-Serbian relatives, by convincing them that they are not Serbs but an separated (invented) nation.
We on this forum don't believe in "brotherhood" with muslims. The only way they can be allowed to stay in Serbia is if they abandon their false religion, like in "Gorski Vijenac".
Good idea, we should provide our Jewish and other members to read Gorski Vijenac (The Mountain Wreath) to see what is the greatest work of art of Serbian literature.
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We on this forum don't believe in "brotherhood" with muslims. The only way they can be allowed to stay in Serbia is if they abandon their false religion, like in "Gorski Vijenac".
Serbs do not condemn whole nations neither religons.
Serbs never had any fascist intention towards any ethnic groups of people, also not against Muslims.
Well we life in Republic of Serbia also with Muslims: that is a fact.
We need to continue to life in peace with each other. Foreigners did not manage to create a civil war between Serbian Muslims and Orthodox Serbs in the Republic of Serbia. We Serbs do not need brother wars just like in the past. We need to life in peace and realize the intent of Greater Serbia, what means an union between Orthodox Serbs, Catholic Serbs and other Serbs.
Yeah, they did, on Kosovo, not yet in other regions... but, just seeing the News, look what's going on in Rascia (so-called Sanjak) and so-called "Preshevo valley".
I fully get your point, but you have to understand one thing - Islamic literature brainwashes.
Islam is not a race nor ethnicity, so we can't be called racists nor fascists.
We are against political Islam, which is more dangerous than you think, just stay with us and you'll find out.
I don't think all Muslims are bad people, but... look at them in the video, they are all following Islam as political solution.
It is correct to be against a political ideology as a whole?
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We on this forum don't believe in "brotherhood" with muslims. The only way they can be allowed to stay in Serbia is if they abandon their false religion, like in "Gorski Vijenac".
Serbs do not condemn whole nations neither religons.
Serbs never had any fascist intention towards any ethnic groups of people, also not against Muslims.
Well we life in Republic of Serbia also with Muslims: that is a fact.
We need to continue to life in peace with each other. Foreigners did not manage to create a civil war between Serbian Muslims and Orthodox Serbs in the Republic of Serbia. We Serbs do not need brother wars just like in the past. We need to life in peace and realize the intent of Greater Serbia, what means an union between Orthodox Serbs, Catholic Serbs and other Serbs.
You don't understand what this forum is all about. SRS ideology is not our ideology, we don't simpathyze with "slobodarski palestinski narod" like Seselj does. Be careful what you write here, we are not supporters of Arabs.
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If Vojislav Seselj was president of Serbia, than these Muslims would not be hostile towards Belgrade.
These people are totally brainwashed!!!
Vojislav Seselj would convince them with historical facts and other proves, that these Balkan Muslims are genetically Serbs! Their ancestors were Serbs who accepted the Muslim religion, so genetically they are still Serbs.
European powers who occupied Serbia (as well as the Turkish Empire) fooled the Serbian Muslims by convincing them that they are not ethnically Serbs. These Balkan Muslims still speak the language of their Serbian Orthodox ancestors.
Unfortunately colonial European powers managed to separate Serbian Catholics and Serbian Muslims from their Orthodox-Serbian relatives, by convincing them that they are not Serbs but an separated (invented) nation.
We on this forum don't believe in "brotherhood" with muslims. The only way they can be allowed to stay in Serbia is if they abandon their false religion, like in "Gorski Vijenac".
Good idea, we should provide our Jewish and other members to read Gorski Vijenac (The Mountain Wreath) to see what is the greatest work of art of Serbian literature.
You're right Sonja. Our Jewish brothers and all others should read this masterpiece of epic poetry, the book that Serbs view as their "second Bible". It depicts what we, Serbs are all about.
http://www.rastko.rs/knjizevnost/umetnicka/njegos/mountain_wreath.html
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If Vojislav Seselj was president of Serbia, than these Muslims would not be hostile towards Belgrade.
These people are totally brainwashed!!!
Vojislav Seselj would convince them with historical facts and other proves, that these Balkan Muslims are genetically Serbs! Their ancestors were Serbs who accepted the Muslim religion, so genetically they are still Serbs.
European powers who occupied Serbia (as well as the Turkish Empire) fooled the Serbian Muslims by convincing them that they are not ethnically Serbs. These Balkan Muslims still speak the language of their Serbian Orthodox ancestors.
Unfortunately colonial European powers managed to separate Serbian Catholics and Serbian Muslims from their Orthodox-Serbian relatives, by convincing them that they are not Serbs but an separated (invented) nation.
We on this forum don't believe in "brotherhood" with muslims. The only way they can be allowed to stay in Serbia is if they abandon their false religion, like in "Gorski Vijenac".
Good idea, we should provide our Jewish and other members to read Gorski Vijenac (The Mountain Wreath) to see what is the greatest work of art of Serbian literature.
You're right Sonja. Our Jewish brothers and all others should read this masterpiece of epic poetry, the book that Serbs view as their "second Bible". It depicts what we, Serbs are all about.
http://www.rastko.rs/knjizevnost/umetnicka/njegos/mountain_wreath.html
Yeah, exactly that I wanted to post, although, it might be better in a new thread.
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We on this forum don't believe in "brotherhood" with muslims. The only way they can be allowed to stay in Serbia is if they abandon their false religion, like in "Gorski Vijenac".
Serbs do not condemn whole nations neither religons.
Serbs never had any fascist intention towards any ethnic groups of people, also not against Muslims.
Well we life in Republic of Serbia also with Muslims: that is a fact.
We need to continue to life in peace with each other. Foreigners did not manage to create a civil war between Serbian Muslims and Orthodox Serbs in the Republic of Serbia. We Serbs do not need brother wars just like in the past. We need to life in peace and realize the intent of Greater Serbia, what means an union between Orthodox Serbs, Catholic Serbs and other Serbs.
You don't understand what this forum is all about. SRS ideology is not our ideology, we don't simpathyze with "slobodarski palestinski narod" like Seselj does. Be careful what you write here, we are not supporters of Arabs.
Hey, people, don't argue!
I agree and disagree with some SRS policies, we can't just "throw them out the window", they make mistaks, we disagree on certain issues, but it is up to us to convince and not write them out.
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Do you understand now what it means to STOP ARGUING!
And no more such "discussions" among members, OK?! >:(
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I fully get your point, but you have to understand one thing - Islamic literature brainwashes.
Islam is not a race nor ethnicity, so we can't be called racists nor fascists.
We are against political Islam, which is more dangerous than you think, just stay with us and you'll find out.
Girl I do not need a forum to be informed about the political side of Islam !!
Secondly, if you are informed about the facts than you must know that the radical Islam is not created in Iran, but in Washington during the 80s when the US replaced the pro-Soviet regime of Afghanistan with an Islamic radical regime regime.
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You don't understand what this forum is all about. SRS ideology is not our ideology, we don't simpathyze with "slobodarski palestinski narod" like Seselj does. Be careful what you write here, we are not supporters of Arabs.
That's your opinion.
I do no think that all the Jews of this forum agree with your views! You are to extreme.
According to your opinion all people who are Islamic are automatically evil?
Is not that generalizing a whole group of people? I do not think people will agree with you.
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Girl I do not need a forum to be informed about the political side of Islam !!
Secondly, if you are informed about the facts than you must know that the radical Islam is not created in Iran, but in Washington during the 80s when the US replaced the pro-Soviet regime of Afghanistan with an Islamic radical regime regime.
Really? In 80-ies in Washington? Do you know what Mohammed Amin al-Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem and the political leader of Palestinian Arabs, told the Muslims in SS units in his speech at Berlin Radio in 1944? "Kill the Jews evreywhere in the name of Allah"! Or you don't consider that too radical?
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You don't understand what this forum is all about. SRS ideology is not our ideology, we don't simpathyze with "slobodarski palestinski narod" like Seselj does. Be careful what you write here, we are not supporters of Arabs.
That's your opinion.
I do no think that all the Jews of this forum agree with your views! You are to extreme.
According to your opinion all people who are Islamic are automatically evil?
Is not that generalizing a whole group of people? I do not think people will agree with you.
I think Islam is evil, and people who accept Islam accept evil.
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Really? In 80-ies in Washington? Do you know what Mohammed Amin al-Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem and the political leader of Palestinian Arabs, told the Muslims in SS units in his speech at Berlin Radio in 1944? "Kill the Jews evreywhere in the name of Allah"! Or you don't consider that too radical?
I know and I hate those kind of speeches and people.
It makes me sick when I hear people like that talking about other people.
But you can not condemn all Muslims because of some lunatics who were installed by Nazis?
Secondly today the American officials brag about the fact how the US managed to realize the collapse of the USSR by using Muslim fundamentalism. In interviews and other media US representatives admit that Washington was behind the replacement of the pro-USSR Afghan regime in 1979, before the war between USSR and the Islamic radical regime. The US supplied Jihad propaganda and trained radical Muslims to take control over Kabul. Remember in the 80s, Bin Laden was a CIA-agent. What more needs to be said?
Search for interviews of Brzezinski who is the brain behind the US (Western) agenda to destroy Russia and Serbia.
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I think Islam is evil, and people who accept Islam accept evil.
I do not think that Jews and Serbs need people who want to places both of them into unnecessary civil wars.
Think about this what you are saying!
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I fully get your point, but you have to understand one thing - Islamic literature brainwashes.
Islam is not a race nor ethnicity, so we can't be called racists nor fascists.
We are against political Islam, which is more dangerous than you think, just stay with us and you'll find out.
Girl I do not need a forum to be informed about the political side of Islam !!
Secondly, if you are informed about the facts than you must know that the radical Islam is not created in Iran, but in Washington during the 80s when the US replaced the pro-Soviet regime of Afghanistan with an Islamic radical regime regime.
No, it wasn't.
Ever since the first Islamic Caliphate (7th century), Islam was used as an "ideology".
At that time, Christianity was absolutely political, but it isn't anymore, Islam is.
I never said it was created in Iran, it was created in Medina.
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I think Islam is evil, and people who accept Islam accept evil.
I do not think that Jews and Serbs need people who want to places both of them into unnecessary civil wars.
Think about this what you are saying!
It's you who needs to think about this again. Muslims in Serbia, and in Bosnia don't want to be our brothers, they are just waiting for a right moment to strike, and make us their "raja" again.
History is the teacher of life, but it seems you weren't paying attention in the class. Remember what happened in Bosnia, and see what they are trying to do now. If you don't see it, then you are blind.
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Opinions which are based on prejudices can lead to wrong conclusions.
So you think you know what happened in Bosnia?
Well what happened in Bosnia?
Give me a description of the war in Bosnia and explain to me what happened over there?
Like I said prejudices can lead to mistakes.
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Opinions which are based on prejudices can lead to wrong conclusions.
So you think you know what happened in Bosnia?
Well what happened in Bosnia?
Give me a description of the war in Bosnia and explain to me what happened over there?
Like I said prejudices can lead to mistakes.
Muslims wanted a muslim country in which they would rule over others. Democratically, of course:) Serbs, being a normal people, didn't let them. That's what happened.
Btw, this is a Kahanist forum. Google what Kahanist means. Then you'll see that people here agree with me.
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Muslims wanted a muslim country in which they would rule over others. Democratically, of course:) Serbs, being a normal people, didn't let them. That's what happened.
Yes but on which suggestion did they decide to unconstitutionally leave the federation of Yugoslavia?
Everybody knows that such an irresponsible and irregular act would eventually lead into civil wars. Why would they start to get involved in such an dangerous adventure which can lead to horrible circumstances? Do you really think that the Koran was the inspiration of the communist Bosnian Muslims to start that kind of adventure in BiH. That is a story for children. With out promises of support coming from western powers, they would not dare to provoke an civil war like that. It is not that simple. The separatist movements within former Yugoslavia were instruments to realize the collapse of Yugoslavia. Yugoslavia needed to be destroyed in order to secure the expansion of Nazi European Union.
Serbs must be aware of the fact that the third party was behind the separatist wars in Yugoslavia during the 90s. The wars resulted into the creation of small, divided states which have an extreme limited sovereignty. Who is benefited with that?
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Do you really think that the Koran was the inspiration of the communist Bosnian Muslims to start that kind of adventure in BiH?
Yes, Koran and their evil culture. While you probably think that "evil western conspirators" went to every muslim in Bosnia and talked him into a war with their brothers Serbs ::) Yes, they got outside help, but you must understand that they don't need outside help to hate us.
p.s. We are running in circles here. You are stubbornly holding to Seselj's ideology, which is incompatible with this forum.
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Exactly. I respect and admire Seselj's intelligence and I agree with some of his ideas. However, his downfall and the failure of the Radical party prove just how nonsensical they are.
Failure? He is still alive and he did not fail
The man is jailed in the Hague tribunal and he is protecting Serbia from jail and fighting for the Serbian nation.
They who are glad with the break up of the SRS are to be compared to Boris Tadic who is installed by the EU.
Only SRS is able to overthrown regime of Boris Tadic.
If you want that Republic of Serbia will become Boris Tadic free, than you can only count on the SRS!
Why did they sent Vojislav Seselj to the Hague, because he was able to endanger the puppet regime of Boris Tadic.
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Do you really think that the Koran was the inspiration of the communist Bosnian Muslims to start that kind of adventure in BiH?
Yes, Koran and their evil culture. While you probably think that "evil western conspirators" went to every muslim in Bosnia and talked him into a war with their brothers Serbs ::) Yes, they got outside help, but you must understand that they don't need outside help to hate us.
p.s. We are running in circles here. You are stubbornly holding to Seselj's ideology, which is incompatible with this forum.
Sorry my Serbian brother but you have just proven that you lost reality.
Bosnian Muslim army as well as the KLA and the HDZ terrorist/ separatist formation were armed by US and Western powers.
On suggestion of Franjo Tudjman and the Americans, Alija Izetbegovic started to conduct session from Yugoslavia. Every educated, informed and intelligent Serb knows that the third party was behind the collapse of Yugoslavia.
On who's suggestion started Croats and Bosnian Muslims to betray Serbs in 1941 and in 1990?
It was all planned in the West. Please if you are a real Serb you must understand this.
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Do you really think that the Koran was the inspiration of the communist Bosnian Muslims to start that kind of adventure in BiH?
Yes, Koran and their evil culture. While you probably think that "evil western conspirators" went to every muslim in Bosnia and talked him into a war with their brothers Serbs ::) Yes, they got outside help, but you must understand that they don't need outside help to hate us.
p.s. We are running in circles here. You are stubbornly holding to Seselj's ideology, which is incompatible with this forum.
Sorry my Serbian brother but you have just proven that you lost reality.
Bosnian Muslim army as well as the KLA and the HDZ terrorist/ separatist formation were armed by US and Western powers.
On suggestion of Franjo Tudjman and the Americans, Alija Izetbegovic started to conduct session from Yugoslavia. Every educated, informed and intelligent Serb knows that the third party was behind the collapse of Yugoslavia.
On who's suggestion started Croats and Bosnian Muslims to betray Serbs in 1941 and in 1990?
It was a planned in the West. Please if you are a real Serb you must understand this.
You're hopeless. Tell me, would someone be able to talk you into a war with Romanians or Bulgarians? People are not robots, they can think for themselves. They went into a war with us because they hated us.
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You're hopeless. Tell me, would someone be able to talk you into a war with Romanians or Bulgarians? People are not robots, they can think for themselves. They went into a war with us because they hated us.
I know and please tell me something I do not know.
The question is on who's suggestion did they start war against us and who was arming them? When we kicked them out of the JNA their weapons did not fall from the sky! Who supplied weapons to them?
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Tell me, would someone be able to talk you into a war with Romanians or Bulgarians? People are not robots, [/b].
You do not know the effects of propaganda and manipulations!
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You're hopeless. Tell me, would someone be able to talk you into a war with Romanians or Bulgarians? People are not robots, they can think for themselves. They went into a war with us because they hated us.
I know and please tell me something I do not know.
The question is on who's suggestion did they start war against us and who was arming them? When we kicked them out of the JNA their weapons did not fall from the sky! Who supplied weapons to them?
We were having wars with them before America or EU even existed. Who supplied them then?
Look SRS, we are only repeating ourselves. There's no point in discussing further.
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Do you really think that the Koran was the inspiration of the communist Bosnian Muslims to start that kind of adventure in BiH?
Yes, Koran and their evil culture. While you probably think that "evil western conspirators" went to every muslim in Bosnia and talked him into a war with their brothers Serbs ::) Yes, they got outside help, but you must understand that they don't need outside help to hate us.
p.s. We are running in circles here. You are stubbornly holding to Seselj's ideology, which is incompatible with this forum.
Sorry my Serbian brother but you have just proven that you lost reality.
Bosnian Muslim army as well as the KLA and the HDZ terrorist/ separatist formation were armed by US and Western powers.
On suggestion of Franjo Tudjman and the Americans, Alija Izetbegovic started to conduct session from Yugoslavia. Every educated, informed and intelligent Serb knows that the third party was behind the collapse of Yugoslavia.
On who's suggestion started Croats and Bosnian Muslims to betray Serbs in 1941 and in 1990?
It was all planned in the West. Please if you are a real Serb you must understand this.
The third party WAS behind separation of Yugoslavia, but... I wouldn't even say THIRD party.
True, NATO and EU had interests in the Balkans, they still do, BUT, Muslims, Arabs from the Middle East and various Islamic fundamentalist organizations had them too, just different ones.
They NEED a safe place in Europe, they need loyal Muslims in Europe, they need Islamic regions in Europe, they need road into Europe and this is the part the West has nothing to do with.
As you've said, they were mainly Communists in SFRY, they weren't extreme, but, as soon as Communism fell and religious revival came to scene, extremists were "born" among them. When religious revival takes place, it is more likely to come to religious fundamentalism, too, Muslims weren't the only ones, but since the conception of their religion is very political and social affective, their is the most dangerous one.
People here are NOT "those" Westerners you are criticizing, people here fight against Islamic extremism as well as Obama (Obamism), Liberalism, Nazism, Communism etc, and nobody supports people like Clinton (either of them) or Biden.
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True, NATO and EU had interests in the Balkans, they still do, BUT, Muslims, Arabs from the Middle East and various Islamic fundamentalist organizations had them too, just different ones.
They NEED a safe place in Europe, they need loyal Muslims in Europe, they need Islamic regions in Europe, they need road into Europe and this is the part the West has nothing to do with.
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Ok sister thank you for your explanation.
Do you Sonja really think that the authorities of the EU would allow armed Muslim extremists to arrive in the hart of Europe just like that? They will olny allow something like that, if that would contribute to the achievement of their geopoliticalinterests. If you follow the trial against R. Karadzic, than you will hear some interesting conclusions regarding this subject.
An important question is: is it possible for thousandsof foreign Muslims extremists to arrive in Europe with out permission and assistance of EU authorities? Muslm extremists did not arrive with donkies to Bosnia, it has been proven that they were brought by UN powers to Bosnia and the EU authorities did not have any problems with the fact that Muslim extremists from third countries werearriving to Bosnia in order to kill Serbs.
As you've said, they were mainly Communists in SFRY, they weren't extreme, but, as soon as Communism fell and religious revival came to scene, extremists were "born" among them. When religious revival takes place, it is more likely to come to religious fundamentalism, too, Muslims weren't the only ones, but since the conception of their religion is very political and social affective, their is the most dangerous one.
Yes but EU cooperated with the Bosnian Moslim government which had close ties with the Moslim extremists. EU and America did not have any problems with with Moslim extremists killing Serbs and they even supplied weapons to them. During the 90s EU tolerated Moslim extremism against Serbs. Today Bosnia is a typical NAVO puppet state which is placed under the dicated of NATO. During the 90s and the 80s Moslim extremists were supported by the West against Serbs and Russians. If Moslims extremists kill Russians and Serbs than the West helps them. Moslims are according to the West freedom fighters and victims when they kill Serbs and Russians. The West only considers Moslims as terrorists if they attack their original financiers who is America. This kind of Moslim fanatics were Washington\\\'s tools to cause the collapse of the USSR and SFRJ.
I do not think that EU and US interests are different to the interests of Moslim extremists, because Moslim extremists have been supported by the West. In Afganistan and IRak US was not attacking Moslim extremists but Afgan and Iraqi civilians. Moslim extremists in Yugoslavia were not enemies of the US an they caused together with Croatia the collapse of Yugoslavia (SFRJ) and that was the interest of he EU to ensure the EU expansion towards Eastern-Europe.
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We were having wars with them before America or EU even existed. Who supplied them then?
Look SRS, we are only repeating ourselves. There's no point in discussing further.
I know brother but I see that you are making mistakes by blaming everything on the Muslims.
It is not black and white as you want it to portray.
If you look at history than you must know that the Vatican (West) supported they Turkish colonization against Serbia. You can not blame everythink on Muslims.
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During the 90s and the 80s Moslim extremists were supported by the West against Serbs and Russians. If Moslims extremists kill Russians and Serbs than the West helps them. Moslims are according to the West freedom fighters and victims when they kill Serbs and Russians. The West only considers Moslims as terrorists if they attack their original financiers who is America. This kind of Moslim fanatics were Washington\\\'s tools to cause the collapse of the USSR and SFRJ.
USSR acted absolutely identically. For example, it supported and trained Marxist DFLP (Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine) which is a part of PLO. Because DFLP was Marxist and acted against Israel, they was considered "freedom fighters" by the Soviet Union.
These "freedom fighters" attacked on May 15, 1974 in Ma'alot, Israel and murdered 22 Israeli high school students, aged 14–16. Before reaching the school, the trio shot and killed two Arab women, a Jewish man, his pregnant wife, and their 4 year old son, and wounded several others
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma'alot_massacre
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USSR acted absolutely identically.
Well not on the same level, my brother.
You can not compare the American support to Muslim extremists with the Soviet support to them. Islamic warriors depended more on American support than on other sources.
But I understand your point USSR was not a clean Empire it was pure evil.
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Do you Sonja really think that the authorities of the EU would allow armed Muslim extremists to arrive in the hart of Europe just like that? They will olny allow something like that, if that would contribute to the achievement of their geopolitical interests.
EU certainly won't like it but Muslim extremists don't need their approval. They are temporarily friendly with EU only because it helps them on Balkans now. But Muslim extremists themselves openly say they want to take over Europe, and they don't need to do it by military force. There are already 50 millions of Muslims in Europe and if you compare the their high birthrate to that of Europeans, and take into account the ongoing Muslim immigration, you'll find that in 30-40 years Europe will have Muslim majority.
Even today European politics must take into account the opinion of the Muslim voters. Anti-Israel bias of the EU is first and foremost formed by the desire of EU politicians to appease their local Musilms.
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EU certainly won't like it but Muslim extremists don't need their approval. They are temporarily friendly with EU only because it helps them on Balkans now.
Well they needed their permission to arrive through their territory to Bosnia.
Europe has on the dictate of the USA systematically populated Muslims in western Europe.
Muslims did not came to and they did not conquer the West; the Muslims were simply invited by European governments to come to the West, after 1945.
This all planned and powers who control EU want to create in the future civil war between native Europeans and Muslims in Europe. Colonial powers need one more world war in order to establish one world government.
They are preparing civil wars in Europe and if we Europeans stay stupid we will face it.
You Jews will also become victims because you are surrounded in the Middle East by Arabs, you better negotiate with them and do not use prejudice against anybody. If you care about the future of your children you better start to live in peace with your neighbours.
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USSR acted absolutely identically.
Well not on the same level, my brother.
You can not compare the American support to Muslim extremists with the Soviet support to them. Islamic warriors depended more on American support than on other sources.
But I understand your point USSR was not a clean Empire it was pure evil.
It is true that present-day Russia is not the same as USSR was. But even today Russia supports Islamist Iran, don't recognize Hamas as terrorist organization and says that it is "Palestinian movement that was democratically elected and must be taken into account", etc. Russia thinks it's good for her interests but it's actually playing with fire. When they they are strong enough to act independently, they'll certainly turn their arms against Russia where they'll have the support of local Muslims.
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You Jews will also become victims because you are surrounded in the Middle East by Arabs, you better negotiate with them and do not use prejudice against anybody. If you care about the future of your children you better start to live in peace with your neighbours.
We don't have any prejudices. Muslims want to destroy our state and negotiations form them is only a one of the methods of the war. "Peace" for them means the destruction of the Jewish state. Read the programs of the leading "Palestinian" organizations and you will see.
When they'll recognize our right to exist and stop the terror and hostility against us, then there'll be peace immediately.
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EU certainly won't like it but Muslim extremists don't need their approval. They are temporarily friendly with EU only because it helps them on Balkans now.
Well they needed their permission to arrive through their territory to Bosnia.
Europe has on the dictate of the USA systematically populated Muslims in western Europe.
Muslims did not came to and they did not conquer the West; the Muslims were simply invited by European governments to come to the West, after 1945.
Muslims needed their help to fight against Serbs because they couldn't do it independently. EU and some people in the US think they use Muslims in their interests but this works also the opposite way. You yourself said that Bin Laden was a CIA agent in Afghanistan and look what happened in 2001. US, EU and Russia play with fire when they try to use extremist forces in their interests.
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Spectator, I suggest you don't argue with SRS anymore. I would also suggest that to everyone else here. There's no point. I tried to reason with him, but his false god Seselj has brainwashed him. Their ideology is political atheistic nationalism in worst possible sense, french way.
I'm sure his future posts will get him banned.
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Spectator, I suggest you don't argue with SRS anymore. I would also suggest that to everyone else here. There's no point. I tried to reason with him, but his false G-d Seselj has brainwashed him. Their ideology is political atheistic nationalism in worst possible sense, french way.
I'm sure his future posts will get him banned.
It's hard not to argue with a man who believes Jews don't want to live in peace with the neighbors. He speaks all the time about the influence of brainwashing but it seems to me he himself is a victim of EU and Muslim propaganda. But you are right, there is no point to go on with this argument.
I don't want him banned. He is an intelligent man and Serbian patriot. I hope he'll read once more what you, I and others wrote to him and try to look at the things from a different perspective.
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Ok sister thank you for your explanation.
Do you Sonja really think that the authorities of the EU would allow armed Muslim extremists to arrive in the hart of Europe just like that? They will olny allow something like that, if that would contribute to the achievement of their geopoliticalinterests. If you follow the trial against R. Karadzic, than you will hear some interesting conclusions regarding this subject.
An important question is: is it possible for thousandsof foreign Muslims extremists to arrive in Europe with out permission and assistance of EU authorities? Muslm extremists did not arrive with donkies to Bosnia, it has been proven that they were brought by UN powers to Bosnia and the EU authorities did not have any problems with the fact that Muslim extremists from third countries werearriving to Bosnia in order to kill Serbs.
Yes, they would allow them.
Not just that they've allowed them into Bosnia, they've allowed them in the whole Europe.
Just see what Muslims in London did after cartoons of Muhammad ad there was nobody to sanction them. That is one of the key failures of neo-Liberalism.
The whole that story about fighting Islamic extremism is mostly a fraud, because most of the governments, especially European (although now, American even more) are trying to appease to the Muslims. Think... Saudi Arabia was definitely behind 9/11, but nobody could attack it nor anyone even mentioned that. Wonder why?
Yes but EU cooperated with the Bosnian Moslim government which had close ties with the Moslim extremists. EU and America did not have any problems with with Moslim extremists killing Serbs and they even supplied weapons to them.
This is why normal people from the West are suffering now.
Just look up the names of foreign Muslim extremists and you will see how many f them is still alive and included in various terrorist actions ALL AROUND THE WORLD.
During the 90s EU tolerated Moslim extremism against Serbs.
EU is now tolerating Muslim extremism all around Europe and in Israel.
Moslims are according to the West freedom fighters and victims when they kill Serbs and Russians.
According to the Liberals, Muslims are "victims", when they kill Serbs, Russians, Jews, Chinese, Hindus, Thai, Greeks, Armenians, indigenous Africans, Coptic Egyptians, Assyrians, Spaniards, English, French, Danes, Swedes, Dutch, EVERYONE who disagrees with Liberal policies is called either a "Nazi" or an Islamophobe.
Now, I know you wouldn't understand about some of the peoples I mentioned above, but trust me, there are many cases of attacks on all of them for which nobody was tried yet.
This kind of Moslim fanatics were Washington\\\'s tools to cause the collapse of the USSR and SFRJ.
Hmmm, not really, in fact they had own reasons for doing so, too.
All that you've mentioned has to do with evil Leftist Globalist agenda of the Neo-Libs and Neocons.
Don't judge the people or countries, judge ideologies.
People here want to return real libertarian, nationalistic, right-wing spirit among our nations.
I get your point, but, please understand, the World is changing and we need to work together to restore some good things we, Europeans, Jews or anyone like us once had.
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EU certainly won't like it but Muslim extremists don't need their approval. They are temporarily friendly with EU only because it helps them on Balkans now.
Well they needed their permission to arrive through their territory to Bosnia.
Europe has on the dictate of the USA systematically populated Muslims in western Europe.
Muslims did not came to and they did not conquer the West; the Muslims were simply invited by European governments to come to the West, after 1945.
Muslims needed their help to fight against Serbs because they couldn't do it independently. EU and some people in the US think they use Muslims in their interests but this works also the opposite way. You yourself said that Bin Laden was a CIA agent in Afghanistan and look what happened in 2001. US, EU and Russia play with fire when they try to use extremist forces in their interests.
I agree that until the Eat and the West stop using terrorists against each other, there will be no good for any of us.
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Spectator, I suggest you don't argue with SRS anymore. I would also suggest that to everyone else here. There's no point. I tried to reason with him, but his false G-d Seselj has brainwashed him. Their ideology is political atheistic nationalism in worst possible sense, french way.
I'm sure his future posts will get him banned.
First of all you want to avoid debating me because your are not informed enough about the facts.
You prejudice are making you blind and because of your lack of knowledge you decide to avoid an civilized debate with me.
I do not know why you are afraid to argue with me?
Based on the content of your posts I can see that you are not a nationalistic Serb and maybe not even an Orthodox Serb.
Your opinion on Vojislav Seselj, Serbian Radical Party and Russia, are to be compared with the elite which currently rules with Serbia.
I never saw an Orthodox Serb who is talking like this about SRS and Russia.
Their ideology is political atheistic nationalism in worst possible sense, french way.
Look you only have prejudices and thats why you do not know what you are saying.
If you were a real Orthodox Serb, than you would recognize me because I am not atheistic.
Do not fear me and fight me with arguments.
Am I going to become your enemy only because I speak the truth?
I hope not.
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I don't want him banned. He is an intelligent man and Serbian patriot. I hope he'll read once more what you, I and others wrote to him and try to look at the things from a different perspective.
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You have an diplomatic attitude and yes sometimes you must look at things from an other perspective.
Voo-yo is indirectly suggesting that I should be banned only because I write from my own perspective.
Thats remain of communism which rules with Serbia for a long period: to sensor people whose opinion you do not like.
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SRP, please, reply to me.
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Yes but EU cooperated with the Bosnian Moslim government which had close ties with the Moslim extremists. EU and America did not have any problems with with Moslim extremists killing Serbs and they even supplied weapons to them.
This is why normal people from the West are suffering now.
Just look up the names of foreign Muslim extremists and you will see how many f them is still alive and included in various terrorist actions ALL AROUND THE WORLD.
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Oke we agree on this one. We both know that Muslim terrorism and Croatian terrorism are tolerated and allowed in Europe.
On other continents (outside Europe) Muslims are on their own territory. I can not understand that the US has the right to invade Muslim countries where they have nothing to search for. The American foreign policy is also contributing to the Muslim rage.
But I can not agree that every body who is born as a Muslim is automatically a terrorist; that is racism.
According to the Liberals, Muslims are "victims", when they kill Serbs, Russians, Jews, Chinese, Hindus, Thai, Greeks, Armenians, indigenous Africans, Coptic Egyptians, Assyrians, Spaniards, English, French, Danes, Swedes, Dutch, EVERYONE who disagrees with Liberal policies is called either a "Nazi" or an Islamophobe.
Now, I know you wouldn't understand about some of the peoples I mentioned above, but trust me, there are many cases of attacks on all of them for which nobody was tried yet.
You can not compare the Western relationship with the Muslims to the Serbian relationship with them.
Are you claiming that Republic of Serbia is has the same policy towards the Muslims as the US has towards Iraq and Afghanistan?
All that you've mentioned has to do with evil Leftist Globalist agenda of the Neo-Libs and Neocons.
Don't judge the people or countries, judge ideologies.
People here want to return real libertarian, nationalistic, right-wing spirit among our nations.
I get your point, but, please understand, the World is changing and we need to work together to restore some good things we, Europeans, Jews or anyone like us once had.
I agree that we must cooperate with each other.
You mention a cooperation with Europeans, Jews and Serbs.
But you have also other people in this world next to Serbs and Jews.
We in Serbia have Muslim neighbors and it is not responsible to mark them all as terrorists.
You can not deprive the Muslims of their rights their where they are born?
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If Vojislav Seselj was president of Serbia, than these Muslims would not be hostile towards Belgrade.
These people are totally brainwashed!!!
Vojislav Seselj would convince them with historical facts and other proves, that these Balkan Muslims are genetically Serbs! Their ancestors were Serbs who accepted the Muslim religion, so genetically they are still Serbs.
If Seselj talked to them about their national origin, they wouldn't argue to him. Islam is international thing. The concept of a nation is not so important in Islam. They would tell him; yes we are Serbian Muslims and our way is right, and you are a Serbian kaffir (heretic) and your (Orthodox Christian) religion is wrong. So accept Islam and solve your problems, there'll be a righteous Islamic Republic of Serbia :)
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You can not deprive the Muslims of their rights their where they are born?
Muslims have no rights in Serbia or Montenegro.
Long live Vojvoda Pavle Djurishich
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If Seselj talked to them about their national origin, they wouldn't argue to him. Islam is international thing. The concept of a nation is not so important in Islam. They would tell him; yes we are Serbian Muslims and our way is right, and you are a Serbian kaffir (heretic) and your (Orthodox Christian) religion is wrong. So accept Islam and solve your problems, there'll be a righteous Islamic Republic of Serbia :)
Ok.
First of all you were the first person who welcomed me no this forum and I will try to understand your perspective. You should also try to understand my position and my side. If you would study Serbian history than you would be surprise about some facts. You will see that there was a period in which different religions (Judaism, Islam and Christianity) lived together in peace on the Balkans.
You had Muslims who identified them selves with Serbs and they respected the authority of the Serbian Orthodox Church and of the Serbian king. You will say now to me that these Muslims only respected the Serbian authority in good times, in peace. Thats partly correct! Some Muslims were also loyal to the kingdom of Serbia in bad times - 1914 and 1941.
You must also know that Serbian Muslims became hostile towards Serbs, when they decided to not identify them selves with Serbs anymore. So, you are not right when you claim Islam is always an international thing. The colonial empires from Western Europe who also occupied the territory of Bosnia and Herzegovina used indoctrinations during their rule to falsely convince (brainwash) the Serbian Muslim and Catholic population of Bosnia and Herzegovina that their ancestors are not Serbs. These colonial methods resulted into the alienation between Orthodox Serbs and Catholic and Muslim Serbs. Because of this colonial policy we have no longer one nation (Serbian) in Bosnia but 3 hostile nations.
Everybody knows that if you divide people and when two parties fight with each other, the third party will win! Thats why colonial powers (EU-nations) use colonial indoctrinations to cause divisions among Serbs in order to conquer them easily!
Remember divide people and than you can rule!
This colonial tactic is used against Serbs in Bosnia and Herzegovina by NATO-nations.
So the conclusion is that colonial indoctrination contributed to hostility of Bosnian Muslims towards Serbs. You should also pay attention to this fact.
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You can not deprive the Muslims of their rights their where they are born?
Muslims have no rights in Serbia or Montenegro.
Long live Vojvoda Pavle Djurishich
First of all it is not civilized to deprive people of their human rights and Serbs are accused of such activities by the West, but real Serbs know that Muslim are equal in right to Serbs in Serbia. To say that Muslims have no right in Serbia is first of all a flagrant lie it will only make the Hague Tribunal very happy and other Serbian enemies.
You did not learn Serbian history.
It is a fact that you had also Serbian Muslims who were loyal the kingdom of Serbia and the Serbian Orthodox Church.
Vojvoda Pavle Djurisic was Cetnik and you had a Cetnik brigade which consisted out of 5000 Muslim Cetniks.
Its time for some of you to get your hands on some historical books :)
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This SRP reminds me of that movie "Dead man" with Johny Depp and Gary Farmer. Farmer plays an Indian called Xebeche or "He Who Talks Loud, Saying Nothing" by fellow natives.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e2/Deadmanfilm.JPG/350px-Deadmanfilm.JPG)
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First of all it is not civilized to deprive people of their human rights and Serbs are accused of such activities by the West, but real Serbs know that Muslim are equal in right to Serbs in Serbia.
God wiling, one day soon they'll be packing bags and move to Teheran. You can join your brothers there.
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SRS,
first off I am not against people who believe in Mohammed and Allah, (as long as they don't draw inspiration to harm my country from Islam or some other reasons). There are good and bad people in every society.
Secondly, I don't know who do you mean by "Serbian Muslims", be they Bosniaks or Muslims who live in Republic of Serbia or some other group. I don't know the history of their relationship with the Serbs. So I am not telling you how to treat Muslims in Serbia, it is your internal affair.
But you cannot ignore the fact that contemporary ideology of Islam, exported from Saudi Arabia, Iran etc. is the aggressive one. It aims to impose itself on Europe, and, later, on the rest of the world. It is not a conspiracy theory, they speak about it openly and are proud of that. If you don't believe me, do some independent research and you will see. Also, you can check that Islam as ideology IS international, global thing. It rejects nationalism and strong national states advocating their own interests.
http://duaat.wordpress.com/2008/03/10/how-islam-will-dominate-the-world/
And I can't accept the argument that "extremist Islam was invented in Washington" or somewhere else in the West. The fact that the West tried to use them in Afghanistan and in Yugoslavia doesn't mean that they are Western puppets. As I said, they have their own worldview and far-reaching agenda. They as well used the West who gave them weapons and military training. Today they use these skills against the US and the West globally.
Time will come and they'll try to extend their influence on Balkans without the regard what Serbian Muslims think about that (and I am sure that at least some Bosnian Muslims will welcome them).
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First of all it is not civilized to deprive people of their human rights and Serbs are accused of such activities by the West, but real Serbs know that Muslim are equal in right to Serbs in Serbia.
G-d wiling, one day soon they'll be packing bags and move to Teheran. You can join your brothers there.
This is pro Serbian! Yea right! Can a Serb say something like this?
You want to send me in exile because of my opinion? Very clever\!
You have no arguments and no theory and your messages only content strange suggestions.
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SRS,
first off I am not against people who believe in Mohammed and Allah, (as long as they don't draw inspiration to harm my country from Islam or some other reasons). There are good and bad people in every society.
This sounds more realistic.
If people want to live according to the principles of Muhamed on their own territory - than you can not stop them. If people in your land want to follow Islam, than they must accept first the authority of the country.
If Muslims want to install Muslim laws or in cause other people want to install anti-Christian (secular) laws then they will be stopped by the authorities o that country. What counts for Muslims counts also for other people. Do not think that Serbs look inferior to other people. Our Church does not teach that.
Secondly, I don't know who do you mean by "Serbian Muslims", be they Bosniaks or Muslims who live in Republic of Serbia or some other group. I don't know the history of their relationship with the Serbs. So I am not telling you how to treat Muslims in Serbia, it is your internal affair.
Look on the territory of Bosnia and Herzegovina you have one kind of people - who speak one (Serbian) language. In my former messages I explained that Serbs were forced by colonial powers (Turkish Empire and Austro-Hungarian Empire) - during their occupation and colonial period on Serbian lands - to change their religion and to accept Islam and Roman Catholicism. In the beginning these converted Serbs were just called Catholic or Muslim Serbs. Later the authorities of the Austro-Hungarian Empire brainwashed Catholic Serbs and Muslim Serbs by convincing them they are not Serbian, but Croatian and Bosniak.
Croatians and Bosniaks speak Serbian language and they ancestors were Orthodox Serbs. It is not a coincidence that these people speak one language, share the same mentality and also have other things in common.
And I can't accept the argument that "extremist Islam was invented in Washington" or somewhere else in the West. The fact that the West tried to use them in Afghanistan and in Yugoslavia doesn't mean that they are Western puppets. As I said, they have their own worldview and far-reaching agenda. They as well used the West who gave them weapons and military training. Today they use these skills against the US and the West globally.
Time will come and they'll try to extend their influence on Balkans without the regard what Serbian Muslims think about that (and I am sure that at least some Bosnian Muslims will welcome them).
Thats a possible scenario.
The radical Muslims are used by Western forced and they are to blind to see that. Their religious fanaticism blinds them. There are many historical facts which can confirm that Western power use Islamic fanaticism to achieve their geopolitical goals. This is not my attempt to protect radical Muslims, but they gained a lot of support from the West.
When EU and US give the green light, the radical Muslims will attempt to conquer Europe. You must know that their exists a driving force behind the danger of radical Islam.
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Oke we agree on this one. We both know that Muslim terrorism and Croatian terrorism are tolerated and allowed in Europe.
On other continents (outside Europe) Muslims are on their own territory. I can not understand that the US has the right to invade Muslim countries where they have nothing to search for. The American foreign policy is also contributing to the Muslim rage.
But I can not agree that every body who is born as a Muslim is automatically a terrorist; that is racism.
One point - Islam is not a race.
You're born with your race and with your ethnicity, you are NOT born with religion, you get it with your education, from your parents, from society and that society isn't always healthy.
There are a few things wrong about Islam itself.
Do you see that people separate Muslims on "very Muslim" and "less Muslim"; moderate and non-moderate (extreme). It is true that in every religion you have fanatics, but think, i it normal than "less Islamic" ones are better ones?
In such cases, there must be something wrong with them, don't you agree?
Just pay attention of the lifestyle in those "very Islamic" countries. Nobody else wants that close.
You can not compare the Western relationship with the Muslims to the Serbian relationship with them.
Are you claiming that Republic of Serbia is has the same policy towards the Muslims as the US has towards Iraq and Afghanistan?
I don't get the connection of this and the part of my post it was replying to, I was talking particularly about the Liberals, in sense of Ideology, no matter if they're in the West, Serbia or Russia.
My key point is not the US.
You're defending Muslim just because some of them are attacked by the US.
Well, yes they are, but for other reasons much more than for just being Muslims.
From my point of view, they should have just left the Sunni and Shia in Iraq do with themselves whatever they would, it wouldn't make terrorists stronger, but rather weaker.
But, what about the NATIVE Assyrians there?
You have no idea how many Christian Churches were destroyed in Iraq.
Who is there to support the Assyrians?
Nobody and yet they are being oppressed and nobody mentions that, everyone is just mourning the Muslims.
Lebanon was a similar story.
As for Afghanistan, did you know that even Russian marines are helping there?
They are against Talibans and have no choice but to help the West there, since Talibans have connections to even terrorism in Russia, Afghanistan is its neighbor, so, it is far more in danger than anyone of the West and Afghanistan is #1 drug importer into Russia.
Westerners are responsible for Afghanistan and now... they don't know what to do with them.
I agree that we must cooperate with each other.
You mention a cooperation with Europeans, Jews and Serbs.
But you have also other people in this world next to Serbs and Jews.
And I mentioned. See: Serbs, Russians, Jews, Chinese, Hindus, Thai, Greeks, Armenians, indigenous Africans, Coptic Egyptians, Assyrians, Spaniards, English, French, Danes, Swedes, Dutch, EVERYONE who disagrees with Liberal policies is called either a "Nazi" or an Islamophobe.
We in Serbia have Muslim neighbors and it is not responsible to mark them all as terrorists.
We have them as a product of oppression and conversion.
We don't say "All Muslims are TERRORISTS", as for connecting them with terrorism, well, we don't do that, they do it themselves.
Who is guilty for their religion approving rather than sanctioning that?
Me not.
We don't want to annihilate the Muslims, we want to save ourselves from their (extremely quick) expansion.
You need to understand that even those "moderate" Muslims are being murdered by terrorists, even more than others do.
Also understand that, among Arabs, you have some extremely, EXTREMELY rich and many extremly poor, who have lots of children, which they have no material possibilities to raise, they have poor education and too much religious connection while little self-consciousness, which makes them easily brainwashed and used by the rich "cream". You can't change them just like that. They don't live a life like you and me, they are too lost so it is hard to help them.
So, please, there is no point of defending Muslims here. Nobody wants a Holocaust for them, but we just don't want them too much in our lives and politics.
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While I believe that Vojvoda Seselj had good intentions he lost the touch with reality during last decade.Thats why Nikolic is much more popular today in Serbia
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Serbian_Radical_Party forgets that ne third of serbian people and a quater of Serbian land is stolen by Muslims >:(javascripjavascript:void(0);t:void(0);
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SRP you are really naive if you believe that Vojvoda Seselj will presude Muslims about anything.They already have their believes.They believe that they are originating from bogumils.
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SRS, take notice that JTF fights not only agaisnt Islamist ideology but also EU and some people in the US who promote EU-like globalist liberal-left ideology and lifestyle.
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While I believe that Vojvoda Seselj had good intentions he lost the touch with reality during last decade.Thats why Nikolic is much more popular today in Serbia
Haha..
This is very sad.
You are suggesting that Tomislav Nikolic is good for the Serbs only because the media of the current regime in Serbia, is making of him some kind of moderated hero?
You are talking about a man - Tomislav Nikolic - who is loved by the pro EU media, since he decided to leave (betray) the party (SRS) which educated and organized him?
Tomislav Nikolic is a fraud a traitor who was instructed to destroy the SRS, a party who was able to overthrown NATO installed regime of Boris Tadic?
I though that you guys did not agree which EU puppets?
If somebody in Serbia is an EU puppet than it is Tomislav Nikolic, the former replacer of Vojislav Seselj. He is a man who claims that Vojislav Seselj sends instructions from the Hague Tribunal to murder Nikolic? Does not this say enough about him?
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One point - Islam is not a race.
You're born with your race and with your ethnicity, you are NOT born with religion, you get it with your education, from your parents, from society and that society isn't always healthy.
There are a few things wrong about Islam itself.
Of course I know this.....!
I never said that Islam is a race!
If I use the word racist than I am referring to people who condemn different oriented people.
If you discriminate people only because they are born of parents who stick to an certain religion, than that is an form of racism.
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My key point is not the US.
You're defending Muslim just because some of them are attacked by the US.
Well, yes they are, but for other reasons much more than for just being Muslims.
From my point of view, they should have just left the Sunni and Shia in Iraq do with themselves whatever they would, it wouldn't make terrorists stronger, but rather weaker.
But, what about the NATIVE Assyrians there?
You have no idea how many Christian Churches were destroyed in Iraq.
Who is there to support the Assyrians?
Nobody and yet they are being oppressed and nobody mentions that, everyone is just mourning the Muslims.
Lebanon was a similar story.
Muslims who live in Iraq and Afghanistan are on their own territory and the US is not permitted to conduct atrocities against people on their own territory.
If you do not agree that US troops are permitted to invade Serbian lands, than why do you have problems with Muslims who are fighting against the occupying forces on their own territory?
I really look forward to your answer on this question!
You have no idea how many Christian Churches were destroyed in Iraq.
Who is there to support the Assyrians?
Nobody and yet they are being oppressed and nobody mentions that, everyone is just mourning the Muslims.
Lebanon was a similar story.
You have no idea that the replacer of Saddam Hussein was a Christian.
You also have no idea that during the rule of Saddam Christian and Jewish communities existed in Iraq.
Many Christian churches were destroyed bu US troops during the invasion against Iraq.
When US troops arrived in Iraq, terrorism started to increase!
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SRS, take notice that JTF fights not only agaisnt Islamist ideology but also EU and some people in the US who promote EU-like globalist liberal-left ideology and lifestyle.
I hope so!
I am not pro Muslim, but who guarantees to me that my own religion will not be threated just like Islam here?
Religious hatred can result into hate against all people who do not follow your own religion.
I hope that you understand what I mean.
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You also have no idea that during the rule of Saddam Christian and Jewish communities existed in Iraq.
Jewish community was persecuted in Iraq during Hussein's rule and several decades before. Also, do you have an idea that Iraq participated in wars against Israel in 1948 and 1967, and in 1973 Iraq sent 18.000 soldiers and several hundred tanks to help Egypt and Syria destroy the Jewish state. In 1991 he fired scud missiles into densely populated regions of Israel despite that Israel didn't participate in US-led coalition against Iraq. All his life Hussein's objective was to destroy Israel.
Do you support Hussein's policy against Israel? Does Israel have the right to exist as Jewish state?
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Jewish community was persecuted in Iraq during Hussein's rule and several decades before. Also, do you have an idea that Iraq participated in wars against Israel in 1948 and 1967, and in 1973 Iraq sent 18.000 soldiers and several hundred tanks to help Egypt and Syria destroy the Jewish state. In 1991 he fired scud missiles into densely populated regions of Israel despite that Israel didn't participate in US-led coalition against Iraq. All his life Hussein's objective was to destroy Israel.
Do you support Hussein's policy against Israel? Does Israel have the right to exist as Jewish state?
I know that Jewish and Christians communities lived in Iraq during Saddam better than after Saddam.
I am not responsible for the policy of Iraq towards Israel and I do not know what Saddam's policy exactly was towards Israel is.
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His policy was as I desribed in the previous post. This is historical fact, you can check it out from neutral sources.
But you ignored my question. Does Israel have the right to exist as Jewish state?
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His policy was as I desribed in the previous post. This is historical fact, you can check it out from neutral sources.
But you ignored my question. Does Israel have the right to exist as Jewish state?
Good question Spectator. I smell a ban.
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But you ignored my question. Does Israel have the right to exist as Jewish state?
Well this sounds like questioning (interrogating) me? This reminds me on militant HDZ- representatives who asked to Serbs question like: "do you recognize independent Croatia" >:( ?. Not that I am now comparing Croatia to Israel, but you remind me to them ( : :::D: ).
You do not have to worry; I am not your enemy and I did not came here to attack what is valuable to you.
To be honest Israel is not a subject which has my highest priority - as a Serb I can say that Russian and Serbian subjects have my priority.
To answer your question, well Israel exists and that is a fact. I have no problems with the existence of a Jewish state in the Middle East.
This does not mean that I authomatically unconditionally support Israel in every way.
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But you ignored my question. Does Israel have the right to exist as Jewish state?
Well this sounds like questioning (interrogating) me? This reminds me on militant HDZ- representatives who asked to Serbs question like: "do you recognize independent Croatia" >:( ?. Not that I am now comparing Croatia to Israel, but you remind me to them ( : :::D: ).
You do not have to worry; I am not your enemy and I did not came here to attack what is valuable to you.
To be honest Israel is not a subject which has my highest priority - as a Serb I can say that Russian and Serbian subjects have my priority.
To answer your question, well Israel exists and that is a fact. I have no problems with the existence of a Jewish state in the Middle East.
This does not mean that I authomatically unconditionally support Israel in every way.
Do you think Arabs in Israel should have the same political rights as Jews? This is very connected to our situation.
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To answer your question, well Israel exists and that is a fact. I have no problems with the existence of a Jewish state in the Middle East.
This does not mean that I authomatically unconditionally support Israel in every way.
Well, this is great. I don't expect from you to support Israel in every issue. For me, it is already good that you are not against the existence of my country. From my side, I understand that Serbia is your highest priority. It should be so because you are a Serb. Also, I don't have anything against Serbian-Russian brotherhood. Живела Србиja, слава России!
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Also, I don't have anything against Serbian-Russian brotherhood. Живела Србиja, слава России!
;D ;D Thanks!
To bad so called "Serb" voo-yo is not that optimistic about the Serbian-Russian brotherhood!
He only complains against Russia... What Serbs will do something like that...?
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Can you answer the question?
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Why must I talk to people who want me banned?
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You won't answer because you know it would get you banned.
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Can you say also something intelligent besides repeating same boring thinks and threating people with banning?
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I tried to reason with you, but you're brainwashed. Now I have to use harsher methods.
Can you answer the question?
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I tried to reason with you, but you're brainwashed. Now I have to use harsher methods.
Can you answer the question?
I can not answer because I am to brainwashed to do that. :laugh:
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Now it should be clear to everyone here what is SRP's agenda and his stance on Israel.
Mods, are anti-Israel people allowed to post here?
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Now it should be clear to everyone here what is SRP's agenda and his stance on Israel.
Mods, are anti-Israel people allowed to post here?
Voo-yo, why do you think SRS is anti-Israeli? Do you think he is advocating a bi-national state in the Holy Land?
Or he means that he is not against a Jewish state in the Middle East somewhere else than between the Mediterranean sea and Jordan river?
:::D
What is the offical position of the Serbian Radical Party (real party not our member SRS) on this issue?
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Do you think he is advocating a bi-national state in the Holy Land?
Definitely.
Or he means that he is not against a Jewish state in the Middle East somewhere else than between the Mediterranean sea and Jordan river?
rotflmao!
What is the offical position of the Serbian Radical Party (real party not our member SRS) on this issue?
SRP was right when he said Israel is not something they think about a lot. But their opinion is that Arabs suffered an injustice and that they should get a state. SRS logic: America is evil, America supports Israel = Israel can't be right in the conflict. In their twisted world they equate Fakestinians with the Serbs in some way. They think Arabs are our friends (God knows why). SRS are not hardcore anti-semites, they just view the world through the cold war glasses, and think Jews are imperialistic servants of USA.
I know Jewish position is difficult, and you are satisfied with even minimal "support" like the one SRP gives you, but I think what he writes here is unacceptable.
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Voo-yo, you are right, the world has so many hardcore antisemites that even what our member SRS says sounds not that bad (of course if he doesn't mean bi-national state or transferring the Jewish state out of the Land of Israel).
That is why your clear support of Israel is really admirable. You are the true friend. Thank you very much.
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Of course I know this.....!
I never said that Islam is a race!
If I use the word racist than I am referring to people who condemn different oriented people.
If you discriminate people only because they are born of parents who stick to an certain religion, than that is an form of racism.
OK, your point of view, but not suitable for the definition.
Tell me, if you are against someone who is of different political orientation, is that racism?
Of course not, and that is an orientation, too.
Religion, just like political orientation, isn't innate and is changeable.
If you hate someone because of his/her skin=color, eye-color, ethnic background or something that the person has got by birth, that is racism.
Muslims who live in Iraq and Afghanistan are on their own territory and the US is not permitted to conduct atrocities against people on their own territory.
If you do not agree that US troops are permitted to invade Serbian lands, than why do you have problems with Muslims who are fighting against the occupying forces on their own territory?
I really look forward to your answer on this question!
You obviously haven't read my comment properly.
Read again, I've already answered your question.
From my point of view, they should have just left the Sunni and Shia in Iraq do with themselves whatever they would, it wouldn't make terrorists stronger, but rather weaker.
Which means I don't.
But, what about the NATIVE Assyrians there?
You have no idea how many Christian Churches were destroyed in Iraq.
Who is there to support the Assyrians?
But there's always the "BUT".
And not only Assyrians, what about non-Muslim Kurds (since only somewhat a half or less of Kurds are Muslims), although I don't like Kurds too much?
Nobody and yet they are being oppressed and nobody mentions that, everyone is just mourning the Muslims.
Lebanon was a similar story.
Everyone is mourning Muslims and never exposes what's going on with the others, while many of those atrocities are done by Muslims themselves.
You know that they use human shields, I think you do.
You have no idea that the replacer of Saddam Hussein was a Christian.
You also have no idea that during the rule of Saddam Christian and Jewish communities existed in Iraq.
I know that the current Iraqi regime sucks even more and I'm not defending US actions, I'm just trying to explain that the responsible are ideologies - Liberalism, Globalism and too extreme Capitalism, not Western nations.
Many Christian churches were destroyed bu US troops during the invasion against Iraq.
When US troops arrived in Iraq, terrorism started to increase!
In fact, most were destroyed by Muslim bomb attacks, but I agree with your point, when the International Community, or more precise - NATO moved in, everything gone worse, just like everywhere else they "intervened".
I think you have misunderstood me.
All of your criticisms against USA are applicable to the entire NATO and I'm NOT defending that, I just don't want to side with the Muslims (as you do) just because I'm against the other side.
Please, understand - I'm not supporting neither of them, I'm against both, I'm on the "third" side, or maybe even forth. They are both wrong, and so is extreme Communism. Two minuses don't make plus, unlike in the maths, one smart person said, two bad are bot good and we should just distance ourselves from them, in the ideological and political sense.
I hope so!
I am not pro Muslim, but who guarantees to me that my own religion will not be threated just like Islam here?
I will tell you who - you will.
You will, by never becoming like them and the rest of its followers by not preaching hate and murder against people who don't believe in what they want them to.
Remember, our religion was hated, much, much, much worse that than. By who? By Muslims and Catholics mostly. Remember how much our people were persecuted by both. Did they ever apologize? Catholics... some, but NOT including that rich maniac the Pope. Muslims........ only few, mostly the ones raised in either Socialit society or in quite moderate surrounding with more different religions. I know a few, they didn't actually apologize but did say "I don't approve that, it is horrible etc".
We were hated for no good reason, for being a disliked minority everywhere, for being different, for refusing their beliefs, for standing up against them.
Islam here is not disliked for no reason and all Spectator has said in that post is true.
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Voo-yo, you are right, the world has so many hardcore antisemites that even what our member SRS says sounds not that bad (of course if he doesn't mean bi-national state or transferring the Jewish state out of the Land of Israel).
That is why your clear support of Israel is really admirable. You are the true friend. Thank you very much.
על לא דבר ספּקטטור
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Sonja, please tell me if I understood the message of your video right.
1. Bosniaks are Muslims who speak Serbian.
2. Today Sarajevo is the capital of Bosnia-Herzegovina in which the Muslims play the key role (except in the part of Republic of Srpska which, G-d willing, is about to separate and reunite with the rest of Serbia). So the Mufti views Bosnia as a Muslim state.
3. Sanjak (Raska) is the region of Serbia (not Bosnia).
The Mufti in the video adresses the Muslims in Sanjak and says that Sarajevo should become the capital city of all Bosniaks.
Is the Mufti calling for the separation of another Serbian territory and its inclusion into a Muslim state? Does the Mufti want to turn Raska into another Kosovo?
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The most terrible thing on this video is that reis ulema is refering to shahids who are from serbia and he speaks in theirs name,
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Sonja, please tell me if I understood the message of your video right.
1. Bosniaks are Muslims who speak Serbian.
2. Today Sarajevo is the capital of Bosnia-Herzegovina in which the Muslims play the key role (except in the part of Republic of Srpska which, G-d willing, is about to separate and reunite with the rest of Serbia). So the Mufti views Bosnia as a Muslim state.
3. Sanjak (Raska) is the region of Serbia (not Bosnia).
The Mufti in the video adresses the Muslims in Sanjak and says that Sarajevo should become the capital city of all Bosniaks.
Is the Mufti calling for the separation of another Serbian territory and its inclusion into a Muslim state? Does the Mufti want to turn Raska into another Kosovo?
1. As you see, they speak the same language, I subtitled it myself.
2. Indeed, Muslims play the key role in Sarajevo, after the war, instead of becoming "more multiethnic", as it was preached, it became the opposite.
3. Exactly, Southern Serbia, capturing a little bit of Montenegro.
The Ray-sul-Ulemah, or however it is properly spelled (which is some title said to be invented by Austro-Hungary to keep them a bit away from Istanbul) is addressing to those Muslims and says that "Sarajevo should be the capital city of all Bosniaks no matter where they live", although being ridiculous for two reasons 1) Not all Muslims of that region and of entire Serbia declare themselves as "Bosniaks", some even declare themselves Serbs (though rarely); 2) Sarajevo is the capital city of a supposedly multi-ethnic citizen country (although apparently not being so), NOT a nation-state.
Is the Mufti calling for the separation of another Serbian territory and its inclusion into a Muslim state? Does the Mufti want to turn Raska into another Kosovo?
The most important part - Cerić isn't directly calling for separation of another part of the state, but he does that indirectly. Even without him, they have separatist movements and fractions.
They are trying to use for their cause the decentralization of Serbia which is in process, they demand an autonomous province for themselves and that AREN'T doing their political parties, but rather, religious leaders.
And we all know what later happens with such provinces, we had experience before.
First they are troubling regions, than they are provinces, than they are some sort of autonomous provinces, than they are countries, than they are nations with a false identity and fake history... and this is when everything ends.
While so-called Bosniaks are demanding their own province "Sanjak", Albanians, who live in the South East, demand an Albanian province (yeah, again) "Preshevo volley" while killing the policemen, smuggling weapon and making unrest among the population there. Even our dumb idiotic president realised that it's about TERRORISM which means it was too easy to notice. But... heh, now he remembers to speak about terrorism, WHERE WAS HE ALL THESE YEARS?!
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Muslims seek "protection of rights"
Sunday, 10 May 2009
NOVI PAZAR -- An Assembly of the Islamic Community in Serbia led by chief mufti Muamer Zukorlić has asked the state to "stop the discrimination of this community".
There is also a rival organization gathering Muslims in the country – the Islamic Community of Serbia.
Zukorlić's organization, meeting on Saturday in Novi Pazar, asked President Boris Tadić, the government and the ministry in charge to "stop the discriminatory behavior of the state organs" toward the Muslims in this community.
The Assembly, which is the Islamic Community in Serbia's highest legislative body, said that it spoke with one voice when it condemned "ever more frequent occurrences of violations of religious rights and freedoms in Serbia and occurrences of discrimination against the members of this community".
However, the statement, signed by spokesman Sead Šaćirović, did not specify which rights of Serbia's Muslims have been violated, and in what way.
The Assembly of the Islamic Community in Serbia also congratulated all Bosniaks (Bosnian Muslims) May 11, Bosniak National Flag Day. The statement said that all institutions in the southwestern Serbian region of Sandžak are under obligation to, on that day, display the Islamic Community in Serbia and Bosniak flags.
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Thanks for explanation Sonja. I hope this time they will fail to tear more land from Serbia.
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Thanks for explanation Sonja. I hope this time they will fail to tear more land from Serbia.
You're welcome, anytime.
Well, depends on the support they get and our treacherous government, I hope that, too, but hope is hope, future is future.
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Muslims seek "protection of rights"
Sunday, 10 May 2009
NOVI PAZAR -- An Assembly of the Islamic Community in Serbia led by chief mufti Muamer Zukorlić has asked the state to "stop the discrimination of this community".
There is also a rival organization gathering Muslims in the country � the Islamic Community of Serbia.
Zukorlić's organization, meeting on Saturday in Novi Pazar, asked President Boris Tadić, the government and the ministry in charge to "stop the discriminatory behavior of the state organs" toward the Muslims in this community.
The Assembly, which is the Islamic Community in Serbia's highest legislative body, said that it spoke with one voice when it condemned "ever more frequent occurrences of violations of religious rights and freedoms in Serbia and occurrences of discrimination against the members of this community".
However, the statement, signed by spokesman Sead �aćirović, did not specify which rights of Serbia's Muslims have been violated, and in what way.
The Assembly of the Islamic Community in Serbia also congratulated all Bosniaks (Bosnian Muslims) May 11, Bosniak National Flag Day. The statement said that all institutions in the southwestern Serbian region of Sand�ak are under obligation to, on that day, display the Islamic Community in Serbia and Bosniak flags.
BTW, thanks Boyana for the article.
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If Vojislav Seselj was president of Serbia, than these Muslims would not be hostile towards Belgrade.
These people are totally brainwashed!!!
Vojislav Seselj would convince them with historical facts and other proves, that these Balkan Muslims are genetically Serbs! Their ancestors were Serbs who accepted the Muslim religion, so genetically they are still Serbs.
If Seselj talked to them about their national origin, they wouldn't argue to him. Islam is international thing. The concept of a nation is not so important in Islam. They would tell him; yes we are Serbian Muslims and our way is right, and you are a Serbian kaffir (heretic) and your (Orthodox Christian) religion is wrong. So accept Islam and solve your problems, there'll be a righteous Islamic Republic of Serbia :)
I don't think you realise just how right you are on that!
Sure,we would convince them that they are serbs really,tho its just a matter of time when something like that would happen,or something like "bosnia" and "bosniaks"
I have apsolutly nothing against people of different religion,if they are good reasonable people,we will never have any troubles,but i do have a lot against certain religions,
islam and catholicism are two hating religion,convert or die,there will never be everlasting peace among us,and they will allways be used as our achilies foot by other nations
They should all accept ortodoxy,or budisam,or any other religion that will ensure peace
I mean,you have a man born,who is taught from birth to hate the "kaffir"s,to kill them etc,he is doomed to think what others want him to...
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football game in Novi Pazar , town in Serbia inhabitated 90% by muslims ! They are showing this very often but I managed to find only this picture from 2004 - " it means Islam will rule the world "
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football game in Novi Pazar , town in Serbia inhabitated 90% by muslims ! They are showing this very often but I managed to find only this picture from 2004 - " it means Islam will rule the world "
Islam will rule the world if isn't stopped.
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btw , on matches in Novi Pazar , home crowd is constantly cheering to albanian serb killers and terrorists , waving flags of Turkey , but when they dare to go on away match (very rarely) they're protected by SERBIAN police like polar bears , you can't sing songs against them or you'll be arrested for discrimination or spreading racial and religious hatred even though they used to be Serbs before the took Islam :o
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football game in Novi Pazar , town in Serbia inhabitated 90% by muslims ! They are showing this very often but I managed to find only this picture from 2004 - " it means Islam will rule the world "
Islam će zavladati svijetom.. It sounds creepy in all languages.
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football game in Novi Pazar , town in Serbia inhabitated 90% by muslims ! They are showing this very often but I managed to find only this picture from 2004 - " it means Islam will rule the world "
Islam će zavladati svijetom.. It sounds creepy in all languages.
Sounds dumb in my language!
Anyway, I haven't seen this before, thanks for sharing!