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What happens if during a Jewish holiday you walk in an elevator thinking the dumb goy next to you is going to push your floor for you but walks out and the door closes on you?
Do you wait? What if you wait six hours into the middle of the night and no one comes in? What if its an office building and you're the only one left? Do you wait until Monday?
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Good question. I think it depends on how pious this Jew is. I think 99% of Jews in this situation would push the button.
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OK.
Its a holiday and you want to go to the 100th fl. You see a stick on the floor. Can you use the stick to push the button?
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OK.
Its a holiday and you want to go to the 100th fl. You see a stick on the floor. Can you use the stick to push the button?
Why would it matter if there is a stick on the floor? If you use the stick to push the button it is still a melachot and thus prohibited.
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Good question. I think it depends on how pious this Jew is. I think 99% of Jews in this situation would push the button.
No, 99% percent of real orthodox Jews wouldn't push it. Technically, some poskim argue that shabbos elevators are muktzah. But in the case ACK brought down, it would be forbidden to press the button.
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Honestly this is not a nice question to ask. The real question would why would a religious Jew put himself in the elevator in the first place during a time they should avoid such things. Lets face it the button needs to be pushed and using a stick is not going to make it better or worse. There must be a way to atone for an occasional transgression like being forced to work an elevator or not operating it and being trapped inside for hours.
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Honestly this is not a nice question to ask. The real question would why would a religious Jew put himself in the elevator in the first place during a time they should avoid such things. Lets face it the button needs to be pushed and using a stick is not going to make it better or worse. There must be a way to atone for an occasional transgression like being forced to work an elevator or not operating it and being trapped inside for hours.
It's called "not using them on Shabbos". Quite simple actually.
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Honestly this is not a nice question to ask. The real question would why would a religious Jew put himself in the elevator in the first place during a time they should avoid such things. Lets face it the button needs to be pushed and using a stick is not going to make it better or worse. There must be a way to atone for an occasional transgression like being forced to work an elevator or not operating it and being trapped inside for hours.
It's called "not using them on Shabbos". Quite simple actually.
My point exactly.
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I think the books need to be updated. Everything uses electricity. How do you avoid it?
We're surrounded by electronic gadgets.
I mean, if you're surrounded by four homeboys and you see a taser on the table, do you stand there and die or use it?
What if you have a heart machine?
This is not to be insulting. I just think its silly that when I'm holding 50LBs of milk in one hand and a 2.5yo child in another that a Jewish couple would ask me to drop the child and push the button.
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I think the books need to be updated. Everything uses electricity. How do you avoid it?
We're surrounded by electronic gadgets.
I mean, if you're surrounded by four homeboys and you see a taser on the table, do you stand there and die or use it?
What if you have a heart machine?
This is not to be insulting. I just think its silly that when I'm holding 50LBs of milk in one hand and a 2.5yo child in another that a Jewish couple would ask me to drop the child and push the button.
That happened to you?
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This thread is kind of silly. I think most Jewish people would be smart enough not to get themselves into such a dilemma, although I did read that story I mentioned on Ask JTF about the family feeling as if they need to be stuck in their apartment on Shabbat because of the automatic security light in the hallway. I am curious if that actually happened to you too though with the milk, child, elevator, etc.
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Generally orthodox Jews are well accustomed to "shabbat mode", so there is really no reason why they would be stuck on an elevator.
I mean, if you're surrounded by four homeboys and you see a taser on the table, do you stand there and die or use it?
What if you have a heart machine?
For serious health conditions and emergencies it is permissible and even obligatory to violate shabbat.
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I think the books need to be updated. Everything uses electricity. How do you avoid it?
We're surrounded by electronic gadgets.
I mean, if you're surrounded by four homeboys and you see a taser on the table, do you stand there and die or use it?
What if you have a heart machine?
This is not to be insulting. I just think its silly that when I'm holding 50LBs of milk in one hand and a 2.5yo child in another that a Jewish couple would ask me to drop the child and push the button.
That happened to you?
A very few times. Not often. I just thought it was silly.
I mean if you spent your life defending old ladies, rescuing cats from trees, protecting children, I don't see how using electronic equipment would send someone to hell.
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Again, I'm sorry if this turns people off.
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I think the books need to be updated. Everything uses electricity. How do you avoid it?
We're surrounded by electronic gadgets.
I mean, if you're surrounded by four homeboys and you see a taser on the table, do you stand there and die or use it?
What if you have a heart machine?
This is not to be insulting. I just think its silly that when I'm holding 50LBs of milk in one hand and a 2.5yo child in another that a Jewish couple would ask me to drop the child and push the button.
That happened to you?
A very few times. Not often. I just thought it was silly.
I mean if you spent your life defending old ladies, rescuing cats from trees, protecting children, I don't see how using electronic equipment would send someone to hell.
It's more than that. Sorry if you don't get it.
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I think the books need to be updated. Everything uses electricity. How do you avoid it?
We're surrounded by electronic gadgets.
I mean, if you're surrounded by four homeboys and you see a taser on the table, do you stand there and die or use it?
What if you have a heart machine?
This is not to be insulting. I just think its silly that when I'm holding 50LBs of milk in one hand and a 2.5yo child in another that a Jewish couple would ask me to drop the child and push the button.
That happened to you?
A very few times. Not often. I just thought it was silly.
I mean if you spent your life defending old ladies, rescuing cats from trees, protecting children, I don't see how using electronic equipment would send someone to hell.
It's not about avoiding hell, it's about living according to the rules set by God. Fear of hell is not a main theme in Judaism.
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I think the books need to be updated. Everything uses electricity. How do you avoid it?
We're surrounded by electronic gadgets.
I mean, if you're surrounded by four homeboys and you see a taser on the table, do you stand there and die or use it?
What if you have a heart machine?
This is not to be insulting. I just think its silly that when I'm holding 50LBs of milk in one hand and a 2.5yo child in another that a Jewish couple would ask me to drop the child and push the button.
That happened to you?
A very few times. Not often. I just thought it was silly.
I mean if you spent your life defending old ladies, rescuing cats from trees, protecting children, I don't see how using electronic equipment would send someone to hell.
It's not about avoiding hell, it's about living according to the rules set by G-d. Fear of hell is not a main theme in Judaism.
Fear of G-d and punishment are.
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I think the books need to be updated. Everything uses electricity. How do you avoid it?
We're surrounded by electronic gadgets.
I mean, if you're surrounded by four homeboys and you see a taser on the table, do you stand there and die or use it?
What if you have a heart machine?
This is not to be insulting. I just think its silly that when I'm holding 50LBs of milk in one hand and a 2.5yo child in another that a Jewish couple would ask me to drop the child and push the button.
That happened to you?
A very few times. Not often. I just thought it was silly.
I mean if you spent your life defending old ladies, rescuing cats from trees, protecting children, I don't see how using electronic equipment would send someone to hell.
It's not about avoiding hell, it's about living according to the rules set by G-d. Fear of hell is not a main theme in Judaism.
Fear of G-d and punishment are.
What you write is correct, but where in Judaism do you see this type of rational: "Observe the shabat, or be damned to hell. Eat only kosher, or go to hell ..." ? Clearly this is not the spirit of Judaism.
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I think the books need to be updated. Everything uses electricity. How do you avoid it?
We're surrounded by electronic gadgets.
I mean, if you're surrounded by four homeboys and you see a taser on the table, do you stand there and die or use it?
What if you have a heart machine?
This is not to be insulting. I just think its silly that when I'm holding 50LBs of milk in one hand and a 2.5yo child in another that a Jewish couple would ask me to drop the child and push the button.
That happened to you?
A very few times. Not often. I just thought it was silly.
I mean if you spent your life defending old ladies, rescuing cats from trees, protecting children, I don't see how using electronic equipment would send someone to hell.
It's not about avoiding hell, it's about living according to the rules set by G-d. Fear of hell is not a main theme in Judaism.
Fear of G-d and punishment are.
What you write is correct, but where in Judaism do you see this type of rational: "Observe the shabat, or be damned to hell. Eat only kosher, or go to hell ..." ? Clearly this is not the spirit of Judaism.
Judaism has slipped to the point where people no longer care about doing mitzvos or observing the Torah. Therefore, we have to remind them whether or not they like it, there are severe consequences.
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I think the books need to be updated. Everything uses electricity. How do you avoid it?
We're surrounded by electronic gadgets.
I mean, if you're surrounded by four homeboys and you see a taser on the table, do you stand there and die or use it?
What if you have a heart machine?
This is not to be insulting. I just think its silly that when I'm holding 50LBs of milk in one hand and a 2.5yo child in another that a Jewish couple would ask me to drop the child and push the button.
That happened to you?
A very few times. Not often. I just thought it was silly.
I mean if you spent your life defending old ladies, rescuing cats from trees, protecting children, I don't see how using electronic equipment would send someone to hell.
It's not about avoiding hell, it's about living according to the rules set by G-d. Fear of hell is not a main theme in Judaism.
Fear of G-d and punishment are.
What you write is correct, but where in Judaism do you see this type of rational: "Observe the shabat, or be damned to hell. Eat only kosher, or go to hell ..." ? Clearly this is not the spirit of Judaism.
Judaism has slipped to the point where people no longer care about doing mitzvos or observing the Torah. Therefore, we have to remind them whether or not they like it, there are severe consequences.
Not to mention the Torah explicitly states punishments, sometimes within close proximity of the commandment.
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I think the books need to be updated. Everything uses electricity. How do you avoid it?
We're surrounded by electronic gadgets.
I mean, if you're surrounded by four homeboys and you see a taser on the table, do you stand there and die or use it?
What if you have a heart machine?
This is not to be insulting. I just think its silly that when I'm holding 50LBs of milk in one hand and a 2.5yo child in another that a Jewish couple would ask me to drop the child and push the button.
That happened to you?
A very few times. Not often. I just thought it was silly.
I mean if you spent your life defending old ladies, rescuing cats from trees, protecting children, I don't see how using electronic equipment would send someone to hell.
It's not about avoiding hell, it's about living according to the rules set by G-d. Fear of hell is not a main theme in Judaism.
Fear of G-d and punishment are.
What you write is correct, but where in Judaism do you see this type of rational: "Observe the shabat, or be damned to hell. Eat only kosher, or go to hell ..." ? Clearly this is not the spirit of Judaism.
Judaism has slipped to the point where people no longer care about doing mitzvos or observing the Torah. Therefore, we have to remind them whether or not they like it, there are severe consequences.
Not to mention the Torah explicitly states punishments, sometimes within close proximity of the commandment.
But a worldly punishment like stoning...
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I think the books need to be updated. Everything uses electricity. How do you avoid it?
We're surrounded by electronic gadgets.
I mean, if you're surrounded by four homeboys and you see a taser on the table, do you stand there and die or use it?
What if you have a heart machine?
This is not to be insulting. I just think its silly that when I'm holding 50LBs of milk in one hand and a 2.5yo child in another that a Jewish couple would ask me to drop the child and push the button.
That happened to you?
A very few times. Not often. I just thought it was silly.
I mean if you spent your life defending old ladies, rescuing cats from trees, protecting children, I don't see how using electronic equipment would send someone to hell.
It's not about avoiding hell, it's about living according to the rules set by G-d. Fear of hell is not a main theme in Judaism.
Fear of G-d and punishment are.
What you write is correct, but where in Judaism do you see this type of rational: "Observe the shabat, or be damned to hell. Eat only kosher, or go to hell ..." ? Clearly this is not the spirit of Judaism.
Judaism has slipped to the point where people no longer care about doing mitzvos or observing the Torah. Therefore, we have to remind them whether or not they like it, there are severe consequences.
Not to mention the Torah explicitly states punishments, sometimes within close proximity of the commandment.
But a worldly punishment like stoning...
Yeah.....
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But should we modernise it?
5000 years ago there was no such thing as running warm water or TV.
Where do they get the idea that electricity is unkosher?
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But should we modernise it?
5000 years ago there was no such thing as running warm water or TV.
Where do they get the idea that electricity is unkosher?
It's complicated. Just understand that it's been taken of care of.
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What happens if during a Jewish holiday you walk in an elevator thinking the dumb goy next to you is going to push your floor for you but walks out and the door closes on you?
Do you wait? What if you wait six hours into the middle of the night and no one comes in? What if its an office building and you're the only one left? Do you wait until Monday?
Why does the goy have to be called "dumb" ? Only dumb people use elevators? I don't get it.
If it is forbidden for a Jew to use the elevator on Shabbat, one does not get in the elevator in the first place. If it you're inside and it closes on you for whatever reason, you wait. Why would no one else come and use the elevator? And you could use that opportunity when someone else enters, to go out and use the stairs which you should have used from the beginning. But lets say no one comes. So you wait until motzei Shabbat which is Saturday night sundown. After that you can do whatever you want. He could sleep in the meantime I guess.
All that said, I know a rabbi who wrote a teshuvah (response letter to a question in Jewish law) where he asserts that the use of an elevator on Shabbat is PERMITTED! And we are not talking a special "shabbat elevator" which is certainly permitted without any question about it. He is talking about a standard elevator, which he holds is permissible for a Jew to use on Shabbat. The person who asked him was someone whose wife was pregnant and they lived on the 35th floor of a building, I believe. That motivated the question. But the answer was that it's allowed. I'll search for the link.
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Good question. I think it depends on how pious this Jew is. I think 99% of Jews in this situation would push the button.
No, 99% percent of real orthodox Jews wouldn't push it. Technically, some poskim argue that shabbos elevators are muktzah. But in the case ACK brought down, it would be forbidden to press the button.
He's not talking about Shabbos elevator because he probably has no idea what that is. A Shabbat elevator is MUTAR. Chinese kahanist is asking speaking about a standard elevator.
I know a rabbi who says that is also permitted. But of course some will argue. Can they bring any proof against him? That's another question entirely.
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I think the books need to be updated. Everything uses electricity. How do you avoid it?
We're surrounded by electronic gadgets.
I mean, if you're surrounded by four homeboys and you see a taser on the table, do you stand there and die or use it?
What if you have a heart machine?
You are permitted to break Shabbat to save your life. No need to update any books for that. The homeboys would be begging for mercy.
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But should we modernise it?
5000 years ago there was no such thing as running warm water or TV.
Where do they get the idea that electricity is unkosher?
Who's "we?" Are you Jewish?
No one said electricity is "unkosher." During the weak it is laudable to use electricity to learn Torah, carry out daily activities etc. No problem. On Shabbat, it is forbidden to use it based on what constitutes a forbidden behavior in Shabbat. A certain type of activity is forbidden on Shabbat for Jews and always has been. So the question is, whenever a new activity comes out, does it fit with those criteria that cause something to be forbidden to use on Shabbat, or does it not? It was a complicated discussion when it came out to determine whether it fit certain criteria. They consulted experts in physics and electricity itself to gather the proper information to be able to decide. Nothing ancient or archaic about it.
So it is not forbidden if the electric device (say, a lightbulb) was already on before Shabbat and left on for the duration of Shabbat. To shut the device or turn it on would be to do the forbidden activity. That is why Shabbat observing Jews might leave the bathroom light on all Shabbat (they turn it on before Shabbat starts), so that people can see when they use the bathroom. Nothing "unkosher" about electricity in of itself.
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Here is a link to the teshuva and discussion.
http://daattorah.blogspot.com/2009/10/shabbos-elevators-rav-meir-triebitz.html
Perhaps this entire thread belongs in the Judaism section and should have been posted there in the first place.
And be careful to heed Anonymous comment #2 which correctly points out that Rabbi Treibitz's teshuva is NOT about a "Shabbat elevator," but is speaking about a standard elevator for use on Shabbat. I'm not sure why Rabbi Eidensohn confused this issue.
As to the "Shabbos Elevator" Rabbi Treibitz holds that Avadae (certainly) it is completely mutar (permitted). In regards to the recent "controversy" surrounding the "Shabbos elevator," untrue things were published.
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Take it easy. I'm just trying to understand why Jews can't touch that elevator.
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The point is, it's best to stay away from Shabbos elevators. And it's accepted that non-shabbos elevators are muktzeh (can't use em).
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The point is, it's best to stay away from Shabbos elevators. And it's accepted that non-shabbos elevators are muktzeh (can't use em).
Not according to Rabbi Meir Treibitz.
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Take it easy. I'm just trying to understand why Jews can't touch that elevator.
And I'm just answering you.
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The point is, it's best to stay away from Shabbos elevators.
It's not really best either way because the 'Shabbos elevator' is completely mutar. Anyone who has any particular reason to use it can use it and they are not breaking Shabbat. They don't have to worry at all that there is any problem.
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The point is, it's best to stay away from Shabbos elevators.
It's not really best either way because the 'Shabbos elevator' is completely mutar. Anyone who has any particular reason to use it can use it and they are not breaking Shabbat. They don't have to worry at all that there is any problem.
It still depends on who you follow....
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The point is, it's best to stay away from Shabbos elevators.
It's not really best either way because the 'Shabbos elevator' is completely mutar. Anyone who has any particular reason to use it can use it and they are not breaking Shabbat. They don't have to worry at all that there is any problem.
It still depends on who you follow....
But most people knew this already that it was permitted, and many many people utilized it. Only recently Rabbi Eliyashiv supposedly made a ruling against it, contrary to current practiced halacha by the vast majority of Jews, and supposedly he has now retracted those statements. I don't know what is true or isn't true in that story, but this is what was reported.
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The point is, it's best to stay away from Shabbos elevators.
It's not really best either way because the 'Shabbos elevator' is completely mutar. Anyone who has any particular reason to use it can use it and they are not breaking Shabbat. They don't have to worry at all that there is any problem.
It still depends on who you follow....
But most people knew this already that it was permitted, and many many people utilized it. Only recently Rabbi Eliyashiv supposedly made a ruling against it, contrary to current practiced halacha by the vast majority of Jews, and supposedly he has now retracted those statements. I don't know what is true or isn't true in that story, but this is what was reported.
What's TECHNICALLY allowed isn't exactly what's the best thing to do. For example, women wearing tzitzis. Just because it's technically allowed, doesn't mean we should go out of our way to do it. Is it allowed to take a shabbos elevator depending on who you ask? Yeah, probably. Does it mean you should? No, it's best to avoid it.
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The point is, it's best to stay away from Shabbos elevators.
It's not really best either way because the 'Shabbos elevator' is completely mutar. Anyone who has any particular reason to use it can use it and they are not breaking Shabbat. They don't have to worry at all that there is any problem.
It still depends on who you follow....
But most people knew this already that it was permitted, and many many people utilized it. Only recently Rabbi Eliyashiv supposedly made a ruling against it, contrary to current practiced halacha by the vast majority of Jews, and supposedly he has now retracted those statements. I don't know what is true or isn't true in that story, but this is what was reported.
What's TECHNICALLY allowed isn't exactly what's the best thing to do. For example, women wearing tzitzis. Just because it's technically allowed, doesn't mean we should go out of our way to do it. Is it allowed to take a shabbos elevator depending on who you ask? Yeah, probably. Does it mean you should? No, it's best to avoid it.
No, that's wrong and it's not a valid comparison. Something is either melacha or it isn't. If it isn't, it's permitted on Shabbat. If it is melacha it's forbidden. Because some daas yachid says it's melacha doesn't make us any less certain that it isn't melacha and that it is permitted to the explanation that says it is permitted. And so anyone who follows that opinion FOR ANY REASON does not have to be suspect that he really shouldn't be using it. If he has some reason to use it, it's permitted.
The relation to women in tzitzit escapes me.
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The point is, it's best to stay away from Shabbos elevators.
It's not really best either way because the 'Shabbos elevator' is completely mutar. Anyone who has any particular reason to use it can use it and they are not breaking Shabbat. They don't have to worry at all that there is any problem.
It still depends on who you follow....
But most people knew this already that it was permitted, and many many people utilized it. Only recently Rabbi Eliyashiv supposedly made a ruling against it, contrary to current practiced halacha by the vast majority of Jews, and supposedly he has now retracted those statements. I don't know what is true or isn't true in that story, but this is what was reported.
What's TECHNICALLY allowed isn't exactly what's the best thing to do. For example, women wearing tzitzis. Just because it's technically allowed, doesn't mean we should go out of our way to do it. Is it allowed to take a shabbos elevator depending on who you ask? Yeah, probably. Does it mean you should? No, it's best to avoid it.
No, that's wrong and it's not a valid comparison. Something is either melacha or it isn't. If it isn't, it's permitted on Shabbat. If it is melacha it's forbidden. Because some daas yachid says it's melacha doesn't make us any less certain that it isn't melacha and that it is permitted to the explanation that says it is permitted. And so anyone who follows that opinion FOR ANY REASON does not have to be suspect that he really shouldn't be using it. If he has some reason to use it, it's permitted.
The relation to women in tzitzit escapes me.
I was just using a classic example off the top of my head for something that is allowed but isn't done. This isn't worth arguing over. If you learned it's fine and you should do it, then great. If I learned to just take the steps anyways, then fine. Clearly, We both agree that there is nothing wrong with taking the steps.
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I think the bathroom light thing is a problem.
If you can't touch that switch and you leave the lights on all day, you're still walking into the room. So, you're still using the electric light.
Same as with the elevator that stops on every floor, you're still using it.
If I was born a Jew, I'd push that button and I'd flip that switch.
Not easy being a Jew.
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I think the bathroom light thing is a problem.
If you can't touch that switch and you leave the lights on all day, you're still walking into the room. So, you're still using the electric light.
Same as with the elevator that stops on every floor, you're still using it.
If I was born a Jew, I'd push that button and I'd flip that switch.
Not easy being a Jew.
The light thing you speak of is a hard concept to understand. I hope muman posts something that can explain it to you or whoever else has that question.
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I think the bathroom light thing is a problem.
If you can't touch that switch and you leave the lights on all day, you're still walking into the room. So, you're still using the electric light.
Same as with the elevator that stops on every floor, you're still using it.
If I was born a Jew, I'd push that button and I'd flip that switch.
Not easy being a Jew.
You don't comprehend this issue properly. Walking into the light isn't considered as "melacha" (which roughly means work). Fortunately, using the bathroom isn't forbidden on the shabbat and so is breathing.
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I think the bathroom light thing is a problem.
If you can't touch that switch and you leave the lights on all day, you're still walking into the room. So, you're still using the electric light.
Same as with the elevator that stops on every floor, you're still using it.
If I was born a Jew, I'd push that button and I'd flip that switch.
Not easy being a Jew.
You don't comprehend this issue properly. Walking into the light isn't considered as "melacha" (which roughly means work). Fortunately, using the bathroom isn't forbidden on the shabbat and so is breathing.
Take it easy, he's not Jewish.
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I think the bathroom light thing is a problem.
If you can't touch that switch and you leave the lights on all day, you're still walking into the room. So, you're still using the electric light.
Same as with the elevator that stops on every floor, you're still using it.
If I was born a Jew, I'd push that button and I'd flip that switch.
Not easy being a Jew.
You don't comprehend this issue properly. Walking into the light isn't considered as "melacha" (which roughly means work). Fortunately, using the bathroom isn't forbidden on the shabbat and so is breathing.
Take it easy, he's not Jewish .
But I am easy.
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I thought the prohibition on electricity had to do with lighting a fire. So basically if the bathroom light is already on then they're not lighting a fire. Did I get that wrong or right?
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I thought the prohibition on electricity had to do with lighting a fire. So basically if the bathroom light is already on then they're not lighting a fire. Did I get that wrong or right?
It's a lot of different things.
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I think the bathroom light thing is a problem.
If you can't touch that switch and you leave the lights on all day, you're still walking into the room. So, you're still using the electric light.
Same as with the elevator that stops on every floor, you're still using it.
You just made up your own rules and said you disagree with them. This is silly circular logic.
The problem is not "Use" of a light. The sun is also a light and person has a right to USE that all day long on Shabbat. The problem is one of forbidden type of work. Flipping the switch to close or open a circuit falls in to the category of creative work that is forbidden on Shabbat. Not your own invented rules that you don't like.
If I was born a Jew, I'd push that button and I'd flip that switch.
Not easy being a Jew.
This has no place in this forum.
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I think the bathroom light thing is a problem.
If you can't touch that switch and you leave the lights on all day, you're still walking into the room. So, you're still using the electric light.
Same as with the elevator that stops on every floor, you're still using it.
If I was born a Jew, I'd push that button and I'd flip that switch.
Not easy being a Jew.
You don't comprehend this issue properly. Walking into the light isn't considered as "melacha" (which roughly means work). Fortunately, using the bathroom isn't forbidden on the shabbat and so is breathing.
Take it easy, he's not Jewish.
Whether he's Jewish or not, he did say something illogical and rather silly, so it is right to correct him.
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Correcting is fine. Perfectly OK. I don't claim to be Jewish and I don't claim to be a lawyer.
5000 years ago, they didn't have these things. Being I've never really did more than skim through some Jewish bible, I have a few more questions.
What was prohibited then? Someone already mentioned lighting a fire.
How did they figure electric appliances would not be allowed?
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Correcting is fine. Perfectly OK. I don't claim to be Jewish and I don't claim to be a lawyer.
5000 years ago, they didn't have these things. Being I've never really did more than skim through some Jewish bible, I have a few more questions.
What was prohibited then? Someone already mentioned lighting a fire.
How did they figure electric appliances would not be allowed?
One idea is that everything that would ever come up in the generations was taught. Another idea is that it's up for the Greatest Rabbis of the Generation to decide what's best for the people.