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Some Israeli women never learn
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Article's topics: Gaza, Yad L'achim, Gaza Strip
Dressed in a hijab and running for her life, Oshrit Ochana - with her four children in tow - reached Gaza's Erez crossing midday on Tuesday, and was ushered through to the Israeli side.
A Palestinian woman in Gaza. ...
A Palestinian woman in Gaza. [illustrative]
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Ochana, a 29-year-old Jewish Israeli who grew up in Ashdod, married a Muslim man seven years ago and then moved to Gaza with him.
Speaking to The Jerusalem Post just hours after her escape while on her way to her family's home in Ashdod to celebrate, she said she had reached the decision months ago to get away from her husband, Abdallah, who ekes out a living smuggling goods through the elaborate system of tunnels connecting Rafah with Egypt.
"That was no life for me and the children," she said. "The children had dreams that I wanted to make true. And we couldn't as long we remained in Gaza.
"Now I am trying to forget everything."
An opportunity to escape presented itself after Abdallah was arrested in Egypt for attempting to travel illegally to Europe.
Ochana and her four children - Mahmoud, seven; Abdel Rahman, five; Sali, six; and Asma, not yet two - left the apartment they shared with her husband's family on Tuesday morning. She told her brother-in-law that she was accompanying her sister-in-law to school and was going to buy a few things for the kids before returning to the small apartment.
But she had other plans.
Ochana's family in Ashdod had already contacted Yad L'Achim, a haredi anti-missionary organization that also helps Jewish Israeli women extricate themselves from marriages with Israeli Arabs and Palestinians.
The Ochana family told the haredi organization about Ochana's predicament and Yad L'Achim went into action.
"We notified [Shas chairman and Interior Minister] Eli Yishai and the Defense Ministry," said Rabbi Shalom Dov Lipshitz, chairman of Yad L'Achim.
"At first, security officials were suspicious. They were concerned that she might be a spy or a suicide bomber," Lipshitz said.
A decision was made that Ochana would make her way to the Erez crossing between the Gaza Strip and Israel, where Israeli military officials would be notified and she would be let through. Yad L'Achim promised to find a hideout for Ochana and herchildren and to help them financially.
But making it to Erez, on the extreme northern side of the Gaza Strip, from Rafah, located about 60 kilometers away on the extreme southern side, was not easy. Suspicious that she might try to escape, Ochana's in-laws were carefully watching her.
As she stood in downtown Rafah, her brother-in-law's threat that he would kill her if she tried to run away still rang in her ears. Still, she waved down a taxi. She knew she had to take the chance.
Ochana piled her children inside and ordered the driver to take her to the Erez crossing.
The driver was suspicious of a woman wearing a hijab and speaking Arabic with a Hebrew accent who wanted to cut across the Gaza Strip to reach Erez.
"I told him that my father was very sick and I needed to visit him as quickly as possible."
She managed to pass through the Hamas-controlled side of the Erez crossing. On the Israeli side, the commanding officer had been notified that Ochana would be arriving.
Israeli security officials began questioning Ochana. But when one of her children passed out due to the excitement and dehydration, the interrogation was cut short and the Ochanas were rushed to Barzilai Medical Center in Ashkelon.
On Tuesday evening, Ochana celebrated her new-found freedom with her family in Ashdod. She plans to change the names of her children to Hebrew names.
Yad L'Achim's Lipshitz, who has helped other women escape from marriages with Arabs, said there were "hundreds" of Israeli women in similar situations.
"Some are in Gaza, others are in Nablus or Tulkarm, and there are some in neighboring Arab countries," he said.
"We are not a racist organization. But we do not want to lose Jewish souls. We lost enough in the Holocaust," he said.
Ochana warned other women not to make the mistake she made.
"It was stupid," she said. "I had a friend who introduced me to Abdallah. We had fun together. We danced and drank - I got carried away. I was his lapdog."
Ochana said she would not miss Abdallah.
"I am still young enough to start my life over again."
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You think so who wants her with her 4 things and bad taste
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Yad L'Achim's Lipshitz, who has helped other women escape from marriages with Arabs, said there were "hundreds" of Israeli women in similar situations.
I heard a speech where Rabbi Kahane talked about this problem. Perhaps the children need a special education now. Unimaginable what the quranimal propaganda has done to their little souls. :o
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I disagree with you on the deragatory comments made on this woman and 4 children. But it does remain to be seen if they all can be rebrainwashed to be good Jews. She might be a symbol to other israeli teens who think about rebelling against their parents by marrying a muslim. Good for her for escaping safely.
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I disagree with you on the deragatory comments made on this woman and 4 children. But it does remain to be seen if they all can be rebrainwashed to be good Jews. She might be a symbol to other israeli teens who think about rebelling against their parents by marrying a muslim. Good for her for escaping safely.
This has been going on for 30 yrs with these women why would anyone learn a few weeks ago we had another Jewish woman escape Gaza except without her children
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Let us have total sympathy with the Jewess and her children. With the grace of the Allmighty, they will turn in to very good Jewish.
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I wonder what this Israeli woman thinks of islam now?
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Why do you hate this woman? Her children aren't "half animal", their mother is Jewish, which makes them 100% Jewish.
The mother was young and a little stupid and made a dumb mistake, but let's give her credit for having the courage and the strength to break away and rescue her children.
The best part of the article:
"She plans to change the names of her children to Hebrew names."
This is a good story. Please don't denigrate her. Not only did she rescue her children, but she is now rescuing other women from the same situation by warning them off of it.
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This girl is an average social-economic victim of the Israeli rulling dictatorship. But yet, she's a Judenrat, and even worse - the Judenrat had no German soldiers as children.
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Why do you hate this woman? Her children aren't "half animal", their mother is Jewish, which makes them 100% Jewish.
The mother was young and a little stupid and made a dumb mistake..
I little stupid?
I'd like to see what you think extremely stupid is. :::D
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This girl is an average social-economic victim of the Israeli rulling dictatorship. But yet, she's a Judenrat, and even worse - the Judenrat had no German soldiers as children.
Do you hate women? I thought you were Muslim at one point, so why are you having this attitude?
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Why do you hate this woman? Her children aren't "half animal", their mother is Jewish, which makes them 100% Jewish.
The mother was young and a little stupid and made a dumb mistake..
I little stupid?
I'd like to see what you think extremely stupid is. :::D
Well I was trying to be a bit generous but you're right, the initial decision she made to marry this guy was extremely stupid, but I think we have to give her credit for coming to her senses later.
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Why do you hate this woman? Her children aren't "half animal", their mother is Jewish, which makes them 100% Jewish.
The mother was young and a little stupid and made a dumb mistake..
I little stupid?
I'd like to see what you think extremely stupid is. :::D
Well I was trying to be a bit generous but you're right, the initial decision she made to marry this guy was extremely stupid, but I think we have to give her credit for coming to her senses later.
One can only hope that other young women will learn from her and won't make the same mistake.
It is such a travesty, such mistakes should be impossible in the state of Israel, there shouldn't be any arabs in Israel to prey on Jewish women.
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This girl is an average social-economic victim of the Israeli rulling dictatorship. But yet, she's a Judenrat, and even worse - the Judenrat had no German soldiers as children.
Do you hate women? I thought you were Muslim at one point, so why are you having this attitude?
What does my Muslim PAST have to do with this?
I don't hate women but I hate Germans and Feminism, if that's what you ask, yes.
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What a self-hating lunatic. I wonder when she realized the marriage wasn't gonna work out. Maybe when he hacked off her clitoris with a rusty machete?
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This girl is an average social-economic victim of the Israeli rulling dictatorship. But yet, she's a Judenrat, and even worse - the Judenrat had no German soldiers as children.
Do you hate women? I thought you were Muslim at one point, so why are you having this attitude?
What does my Muslim PAST have to do with this?
I don't hate women but I hate Germans and Feminism, if that's what you ask, yes.
I would think it would have a lot to do with it since you were also falling into something stupid and came to your senses about it later that you would have a little compassion for someone else who made a stupid mistake and came to their senses later.
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Let's give this woman some credit. At least she left her Muslim husband, and is now looking to raise her children as Jews.
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Let's give this woman some credit. At least she left her Muslim husband, and is now looking to raise her children as Jews.
Yeah, at the last possible second when all options were exausted, after painting herself into a corner with her gross stupidity.
This woman betrayed her religion, her family and her nation, I'm not so quick to forgive all of that.
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This girl is an average social-economic victim of the Israeli rulling dictatorship. But yet, she's a Judenrat, and even worse - the Judenrat had no German soldiers as children.
Do you hate women? I thought you were Muslim at one point, so why are you having this attitude?
What does my Muslim PAST have to do with this?
I don't hate women but I hate Germans and Feminism, if that's what you ask, yes.
I would think it would have a lot to do with it since you were also falling into something stupid and came to your senses about it later that you would have a little compassion for someone else who made a stupid mistake and came to their senses later.
How many times did I breed with SS female soldiers? how many times did I physically help to exterminate Jews? how many times did she make a Teshuva? How many SS children do I have? Why did I leave Islam and why did she leave Gaza from the first place?
Yeah, at the last possible second when all options were exausted, after painting herself into a corner with her gross stupidity.
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Let's give this woman some credit. At least she left her Muslim husband, and is now looking to raise her children as Jews.
In Israel, many Arabs have Hebrew names, so it means
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In her case it seems to revolve around money
Speaking to The Jerusalem Post just hours after her escape while on her way to her family's home in Ashdod to celebrate, she said she had reached the decision months ago to get away from her husband, Abdallah, who ekes out a living smuggling goods through the elaborate system of tunnels connecting Rafah with Egypt.
"That was no life for me and the children," she said. "The children had dreams that I wanted to make true. And we couldn't as long we remained in Gaza.
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I actually think the 4children should be taken away from her, and given to a better guardian. This woman must be feeble minded and now her children must be educated and de-programed, what I don't trust her to be able to do.
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I actually think the 4children should be taken away from her, and given to a better guardian. This woman must be feeble minded and now her children must be educated and de-programed, what I don't trust her to be able to do.
Her 4 arab children should be sent to live with their father. She should marry a Jew and have Jewish children.
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Her 4 arab children should be sent to live with their father. She should marry a Jew and have Jewish children.
Aren't her kids halachically Jewish?
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Her 4 arab children should be sent to live with their father. She should marry a Jew and have Jewish children.
Aren't her kids halachically Jewish?
I doubt their loyalty.
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Her 4 arab children should be sent to live with their father. She should marry a Jew and have Jewish children.
Aren't her kids halachically Jewish?
I doubt their loyalty.
Nevertheless, they are Jews, and they are young, so we mustn't give up on them.
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Her 4 arab children should be sent to live with their father. She should marry a Jew and have Jewish children.
Aren't her kids halachically Jewish?
I doubt their loyalty.
Nevertheless, they are Jews, and they are young, so we mustn't give up on them.
No, you don't understand --- they're as trusted as Hamas little terrorists and German children who fought against the Soviets in Berlin. They do know their father and they did share some time together, the Muslim style.
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Her 4 arab children should be sent to live with their father. She should marry a Jew and have Jewish children.
Aren't her kids halachically Jewish?
I doubt their loyalty.
Nevertheless, they are Jews, and they are young, so we mustn't give up on them.
No, you don't understand --- they're as trusted as Hamas little terrorists and German children who fought against the Soviets in Berlin. They do know their father and they did share some time together, the Muslim style.
Okay, maybe the older boy of 7 is already a twisted minded muslim. I still think at that age he can be redeemed. But its the mother's judgement I don't trust. She might have run away because of the hardies and abuse, but that doesn't mean she is suddenly tzadika.
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Ron of Judah brought up a good point.
The nazi muslim father no doubt brainwashed his kids to follow islam blindly so deprogramming them is going to be a challenge for everyone involved.
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Her 4 arab children should be sent to live with their father. She should marry a Jew and have Jewish children.
Aren't her kids halachically Jewish?
I doubt their loyalty.
Nevertheless, they are Jews, and they are young, so we mustn't give up on them.
No, you don't understand --- they're as trusted as Hamas little terrorists and German children who fought against the Soviets in Berlin. They do know their father and they did share some time together, the Muslim style.
Okay, maybe the older boy of 7 is already a twisted minded muslim. I still think at that age he can be redeemed. But its the mother's judgement I don't trust. She might have run away because of the hardies and abuse, but that doesn't mean she is suddenly tzadika.
That means you don't know who is a young child and who is an adult in the Muslim society. Once you turn 5 you're ready to be a fully thinking soldier. They're deeply Jew hating Muslim scum.
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I expected some Frankenstein horror story.
It is open to debate which is worse...
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Her 4 arab children should be sent to live with their father. She should marry a Jew and have Jewish children.
Aren't her kids halachically Jewish?
I doubt their loyalty.
Nevertheless, they are Jews, and they are young, so we mustn't give up on them.
The arab blood cancels out the Jewish blood. If the father was anything else, I would agree with you.
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I expected some Frankenstein horror story.
It is open to debate which is worse...
Ha-ha, this is funny! :::D
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Her 4 arab children should be sent to live with their father. She should marry a Jew and have Jewish children.
Aren't her kids halachically Jewish?
I doubt their loyalty.
Nevertheless, they are Jews, and they are young, so we mustn't give up on them.
The arab blood cancels out the Jewish blood. If the father was anything else, I would agree with you.
There is no such thing as "Jewish blood". Denying that Jewishness equals to Islam.
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This girl is an average social-economic victim of the Israeli rulling dictatorship. But yet, she's a Judenrat, and even worse - the Judenrat had no German soldiers as children.
Do you hate women? I thought you were Muslim at one point, so why are you having this attitude?
What does my Muslim PAST have to do with this?
I don't hate women but I hate Germans and Feminism, if that's what you ask, yes.
I would think it would have a lot to do with it since you were also falling into something stupid and came to your senses about it later that you would have a little compassion for someone else who made a stupid mistake and came to their senses later.
How many times did I breed with SS female soldiers? how many times did I physically help to exterminate Jews? how many times did she make a Teshuva? How many SS children do I have? Why did I leave Islam and why did she leave Gaza from the first place?
Yeah, at the last possible second when all options were exausted, after painting herself into a corner with her gross stupidity.
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Listen, these children are ages 2, 5, 6, and 7.
I think it's a little too early to write them off as unredeemable 'SS' children.
Beyond their control, they had the misfortune to be sired by a Moozie father, and now that they're in Israel with their Jewish mother, they should be given a chance to be good Jews.
As far as I'm concerned, they're more innocent than you are.
They didn't have a choice about leaving Judaism and becoming a Moozie. You did.
So who the heck are you to say they shouldn't be given a chance ?
Talk about unmitigated gall.
Do you think it's justifiable that you be given a chance to do Teshuva and children who didn't even have a choice in the matter not be given a chance ?
I have no idea what you did (if anything) to harm Israel or the Jewish people while you were a Moozie, but I really doubt these kids have done anything worse.
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Oh, good old Muck DeFuslims. How are you doing? still searching for a historical justification? or maybe for my 1148139483098th account?
Listen, these children are ages 2, 5, 6, and 7.
And their Judenrat mommy is 30+, and this kid:
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Is younger than most of them.
I think it's a little too early to write them off as unredeemable 'SS' children.
Hello Mr.Psychologist. A Gazan will never change until he's leaving for Judaism, real Judaism, not an eternal lust for money.
Beyond their control, they had the misfortune to be sired by a Moozie father, and now that they're in Israel with their Jewish mother, they should be given a chance to be good Jews.
You are right. They had the misfortune to be sired by a mother who's just like their daddy.
As far as I'm concerned, they're more innocent than you are.
What did I do?
They didn't have a choice about leaving Judaism and becoming a Moozie. You did.
A bit too late. Gazan way of life makes you one of them, to the rest of your life. Just like once you go to an average school in Israel, you will never be able to take out the heretic-Atheist garbage out of your mind.
It's true, I did --- but comparing it to my situation is demagougy in its best. As far as I'm concerened, I'm not planning to wipe all of Jews out.
So who the heck are you to say they shouldn't be given a chance ?
Ibn Warraq al Yahood.
Talk about unmitigated gall.
... of putin your nose in to things you'd never have any connection to.
Do you think it's justifiable that you be given a chance to do Teshuva and children who didn't even have a choice in the matter not be given a chance ?
When did I learn how to continute Hitler's plans phsyically?
They can do Teshuva as long as they didn't do anything physically. But as far as a former-Musilm like me is concerned, with a treasonous mother like her, the chance it will ever happen is imagineable.
I have no idea what you did (if anything) to harm Israel or the Jewish people while you were a Moozie,
So why are you discussing stuff you have no clue about?
but I really doubt these kids have done anything worse.
Thank you mr Khalid Mash'ad. Now would you leave the "Fortune & Past telling" to Arabs?
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I'm doing fine, Ronnie boy. Thanks for asking.
I had a feeling you'd be back on the English forum even though you announced you were leaving.
Kind of like you leaving Judaism, isn't it ? Although I suspect you were a Moozie alot longer than you stayed away from this forum.
I notice you like to use the word 'demagogue' quite a bit. You might not spell it correctly or use it correctly, but hey, don't let that stop you.
It's really very amusing to see someone claim that a 2 year old child is planning to wipe all the Jews out, and then accuse someone else of demagoguery.
Welcome back, Ronald. You're always good for a laugh.
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This girl is an average social-economic victim of the Israeli rulling dictatorship. But yet, she's a Judenrat, and even worse - the Judenrat had no German soldiers as children.
Do you hate women? I thought you were Muslim at one point, so why are you having this attitude?
I think you just prooved that you can take a person out of islam, but not islam out of a person unless at a very young age.
You make a good Moon Ruby. That is why animals like you.
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I'm doing fine, Ronnie boy. Thanks for asking.
That's a shame.
I had a feeling you'd be back on the English forum even though you announced you were leaving.
I'm not "back". I noticed that once I was gone some bad things happened.
Kind of like you leaving Judaism, isn't it ? Although I suspect you were a Moozie alot longer than you stayed away from this forum.
I assume you're still part of a the Hitler Youth. Come on, don't get this pathetic. You don't even know me (good thing you don't).
I notice you like to use the word 'demagogue' quite a bit. You might not spell it correctly or use it correctly, but hey, don't let that stop you.
I guess you had really bad and horrifying childhood. You're trying to insult like a 2nd grader, trying to be "cool", to complete what you've been missing as a poor child. Don't let this "young spirit" go, it saves me money for a comedy movie.
It's really very amusing to see someone claim that a 2 year old child is planning to wipe all the Jews out, and then accuse someone else of demagoguery.
It's hilarious to see someone talking about things he doesn't know, it reminds me that I was accused of being argumentative attention-fetishizer.
You would never understand neither what I was saying, neither what being a child in Gaza or from Gaza means. That's what happens when you live in the "enlightened" West. Another reason why you are losing and why Europe and America's destiny is sealed.
Welcome back, Ronald. You're always good for a laugh.
You are better than Howard Stern, that's for sure.
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@ Muck DeFuslims,
I think we had a civilized conversation until you started jabbing personal attacks.
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A couple observations: First, this dippy dame certainly sounds like she was motivated by economics rather than a desire to get back among her own kind. Her ex may come from a race of violent liars, but I'd be curious to hear his side of this story. It would not be the first time that a woman over-stated stories of spousal abuse when it served her purpose. Ask any divorce attorney about that.
And something else: If I were responsible for security in Israel, this woman would bear watching. She may not be a suicide bomber, but it's certainly not outrageous to consider the possibility that she's a double-agent, looking to penetrate the apparatus in place to rescue like dippy dames.
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so Ron, let me get this straight, you used to be a Muslim?
Let us see a thread telling us your story of your conversion....
I have never heard of this before.
I want to know.
Also, what is the reason you converted?
Tell us the whole story.
I am a bit concerned.
thankyou, so very much Ron.
Shalom.
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That's fine Zelhar.
You're certainly entitled to your opinion about what constitutes 'civilized conversation' and 'personal attacks'.
I happen to think that although my initial post in this thread was very blunt, it still wasn't a personal attack or uncivilized.
Here's what I said verbatim:
"Listen, these children are ages 2, 5, 6, and 7.
I think it's a little too early to write them off as unredeemable 'SS' children.
Beyond their control, they had the misfortune to be sired by a Moozie father, and now that they're in Israel with their Jewish mother, they should be given a chance to be good Jews.
As far as I'm concerned, they're more innocent than you are.
They didn't have a choice about leaving Judaism and becoming a Moozie. You did.
So who the heck are you to say they shouldn't be given a chance ?
Talk about unmitigated gall.
Do you think it's justifiable that you be given a chance to do Teshuva and children who didn't even have a choice in the matter not be given a chance ?
I have no idea what you did (if anything) to harm Israel or the Jewish people while you were a Moozie, but I really doubt these kids have done anything worse."
Now, you might consider that 'uncivilized' and a 'personal attack', but I said what I felt and I stand by every word of it. Blunt and honest, yes. 'Uncivilized' and a 'personal attack', not quite.
I didn't bother to respond to Ron's last post accusing me of being in the Hitler youth, replete with the veiled threat that it's a good thing I don't know him, nor did I bother to respond to him using Arab names when referring to me.
I didn't do so because that's when this thread could have really become uncivilized and even uglier. I have too much respect for this forum and it's members to do so.
However, I am going to say one more thing before I completely drop this matter.
I realize that Ron is currently 'Chaim's boy'. I'm told he contributes greatly to the Hebrew forum. That may be so.
But as far as I'm concerned Ron is a juvenile, argumentative, irrational, loose cannon. I'm suspicious about the mental stabilty of individuals that convert to Islam, and nothing in Ron's posting history here has allayed my suspicion that he's not quite dealing with a full deck.
In short, I consider him bad news.
I've said what I had to say and now I'm going to try not to say anymore about Ron. (although I'm sure I'll be tempted to respond to the responses that are sure to come).
Flame away.
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A couple observations: First, this dippy dame certainly sounds like she was motivated by economics rather than a desire to get back among her own kind. Her ex may come from a race of violent liars, but I'd be curious to hear his side of this story. It would not be the first time that a woman over-stated stories of spousal abuse when it served her purpose. Ask any divorce attorney about that.
And something else: If I were responsible for security in Israel, this woman would bear watching. She may not be a suicide bomber, but it's certainly not outrageous to consider the possibility that she's a double-agent, looking to penetrate the apparatus in place to rescue like dippy dames.
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The question of exactly how she got past the Hamas IslamoNazis guarding their side of the crossing certainly raises additional questions and should set off some alarms.
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Yes, perpetual alertness shall always be an additional requirement. However she has relieved herself and her children from the dirty clutches of muslam and may be given a chance on mercy, otherwise who may emulate her.
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BTW if she is sincere enough, is there any system or process for awarding her.
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Muck DeFuslims, don't worry there will not be any flaming here.
Ron is not returning to the English forum. He has too much vital work to do on the Hebrew forum, where he devotes hours every day promoting our Israeli movement. If you doubt what I am telling you, you can ask any of our Hebrew-speaking members. Ron contributes more to the Hebrew forum than any of our other members by far.
I suggest that we return to discussing the issue itself without getting into personal arguments. There's nothing wrong with disagreeing - having different views expressed is what a forum should be all about.
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Arabs are not animals. They are Gentile human beings. And the son of a Muslim is not a Muslim by the Torah, he is considered a Muslim by Islamic Laws but it's just their view, not the view of the Torah. Furthermore, if the mother is Jewish, the child is 100% Jewish.
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Arabs are not animals. They are Gentile human beings. And the son of a Muslim is not a Muslim by the Torah, he is considered a Muslim by Islamic Laws but it's just their view, not the view of the Torah. Furthermore, if the mother is Jewish, the child is 100% Jewish.
I don't know how gentile these arabs are... The ones I have seen are pretty damn violent... Also since many of them desire to kill Jews and destroy Israel they are considered Pursuers who must be destroyed. Even the young ones may be considered Rodefim and thus, in a war situation, they are valid targets...
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Arabs are not animals. They are Gentile human beings. And the son of a Muslim is not a Muslim by the Torah, he is considered a Muslim by Islamic Laws but it's just their view, not the view of the Torah. Furthermore, if the mother is Jewish, the child is 100% Jewish.
Not all Arabs are animals - correct.
But nearly all Arabs are Muslims and all Muslims are worse than the animals. This is a fact.
With your other statements I agree.
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I don't know how gentile these arabs are... The ones I have seen are pretty damn violent... Also since many of them desire to kill Jews and destroy Israel they are considered Pursuers who must be destroyed. Even the young ones may be considered Rodefim and thus, in a war situation, they are valid targets...
I got banned from a chat room last night for saying pretty much the same thing. People couldn't believe what an "evil zionist" I was. Well they added some epithets to that, but :laugh:
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Arabs are not animals. They are Gentile human beings. And the son of a Muslim is not a Muslim by the Torah, he is considered a Muslim by Islamic Laws but it's just their view, not the view of the Torah. Furthermore, if the mother is Jewish, the child is 100% Jewish.
I don't know how gentile these arabs are... The ones I have seen are pretty damn violent... Also since many of them desire to kill Jews and destroy Israel they are considered Pursuers who must be destroyed. Even the young ones may be considered Rodefim and thus, in a war situation, they are valid targets...
Gentile means Goy (non-Jews), not necesarily that they are kind. But the son of an Arab man, whether Goy or Jew (in this case, through his mother) is not an animal. A member of an enemy group can be considered a target during war while he is with his group if he does not prove to be a friend, but not in this case. Those children will probably be educated as Jews
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Arabs are not animals. They are Gentile human beings. And the son of a Muslim is not a Muslim by the Torah, he is considered a Muslim by Islamic Laws but it's just their view, not the view of the Torah. Furthermore, if the mother is Jewish, the child is 100% Jewish.
I don't know how gentile these arabs are... The ones I have seen are pretty damn violent... Also since many of them desire to kill Jews and destroy Israel they are considered Pursuers who must be destroyed. Even the young ones may be considered Rodefim and thus, in a war situation, they are valid targets...
Gentile means Goy (non-Jews), not necesarily that they are kind. But the son of an Arab man, whether Goy or Jew (in this case, through his mother) is not an animal. A member of an enemy group can be considered a target during war while he is with his group if he does not prove to be a friend, but not in this case. Those children will probably be educated as Jews
I know this... I was trying my hand at sarcasm.... I guess I forgot the /sarc tag...
PS: I am not familiar with this particular case but in general I am wary of children born to Muslim men... The women will be subjugated to the Islam faith and the children will not be taught Judaism..
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Arabs are not animals. They are Gentile human beings. And the son of a Muslim is not a Muslim by the Torah, he is considered a Muslim by Islamic Laws but it's just their view, not the view of the Torah. Furthermore, if the mother is Jewish, the child is 100% Jewish.
Not all Arabs are animals - correct.
But nearly all Arabs are Muslims and all Muslims are worse than the animals. This is a fact.
With your other statements I agree.
All Arabs are animals. There are no such things as "races" to denounce their ability to choose whether to be Arab (=an animal) or get out of this sick culture.
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There is no such thing as "Jewish blood". Denying that Jewishness equals to Islam.
That's too bad Hitler didn't know this! :o
Well, now that I know that you have converted to Judaism, I understand where that comment is coming from. You would like there to be no such a thing as Jewish blood. But Judaism is not like other religions. It is both a religion and a race.
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There is no such thing as "Jewish blood". Denying that Jewishness equals to Islam.
That's too bad Hitler didn't know this! :o
Well, now that I know that you have converted to Judaism, I understand where that comment is coming from. You would like there to be no such a thing as Jewish blood. But Judaism is not like other religions. It is both a religion and a race.
Ron was born a Jew. Judaism is both religion and a people, but not a race. Since we accept converts, we can't be a race. One can't convert his race, yet.
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That's too bad Hitler didn't know this! :o
Well, now that I know that you have converted to Judaism, I understand where that comment is coming from. You would like there to be no such a thing as Jewish blood. But Judaism is not like other religions. It is both a religion and a race.
I was born Jewish.
There is no such thing as Jewish blood since "blood" means a "blood of a race".
1.) There are no such things as "races". I don't believe in it.
2.) Judaism is not a religion, and not a race, it's a nation and Orach Chaim, Even Ha'ezer, Choshen Mishpat and Yoreh De'ah.
You can call Christianity and Islam religions, but NOT Judaism.
Also, canceling the children' Jewishness is completely Islamic way of thinking (since their father is not Jewish, and even an Arab, what does it have to do with the kids' Jewishness? the Jewishness is determined by the mother, not by the father).
You're not the one to denounce their Jewishess, it doesn't matter if their father is an Arab or an alien.
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I don't know how gentile these arabs are... The ones I have seen are pretty damn violent... Also since many of them desire to kill Jews and destroy Israel they are considered Pursuers who must be destroyed. Even the young ones may be considered Rodefim and thus, in a war situation, they are valid targets...
I got banned from a chat room last night for saying pretty much the same thing. People couldn't believe what an "evil zionist" I was. Well they added some epithets to that, but :laugh:
Oh Ruby! You are evil as Minnie Mouse !!! :::D
Shalom & G-d Bless !
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