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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: ihkili18 on May 02, 2007, 01:22:46 AM
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He has advised Shas to stay in the government. If they leave along with that other shmuck avigdor lieberman, the govt would fall.
[jdl4ever-Wait till Chaim responds on ask JTF whether it is acceptable to say "Terrorist OY"]
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Yes theye do have to leave, but I doubt Rabbi Yosef is a terrorist.
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I know Rabbi Ovadia Yosef is weird and trecherous, but does anybody here think that he has demntia or alzhmeimers disease? He looks like he does.
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No he doesnt. He is still writing many sefarim.
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I don't know what the heck that is, TruthTyper (FruitTyper). You are probably just making up Hebrew-sounding words to try to sound credible.
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Actually, though my Hebrew is not so good....
I think Sefarim are books.
Ovadiah Yosef is not a terrorist. He's just mistaken on certain points of Torah. These mistakes are huge ones, and ones he may have to stand accountable to HaShem for.
I pray Kadima falls. And if it does, then I pray that the Likud is able to take over...that Shas is kicked out completely, that Yisrael Beiteinu (Spelling there?) is either kicked out or made to change certain stances, and that the National Union is revitalized and convinced to join the government. I pray Labor is kicked out and never allowed to come back to power.
But most of all, I pray that if the Likud succeeds in coming back to power, that they do not follow in Kadima and Arik sharon's failed policies of appeasement, land for peace, and removal of Jews from our own land!
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Mistaken?!?
The fraud was on the payroll of the Rabin (and now the Olmert) government. He earns a living at Israeli taxpayer expense in brainwashing Jewish kids to surrender. He is not a scholar by any stretch of the imagination. HE GETS PAID to say what he does!
Chaimfan.
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He gets paid?!
Ok...I didn't know this. This changes my view considerably actually.
If one is BRIBED into making vast statements on Torah law that really contradict what the Torah actually says...how can you any longer be considered a righteous man, or great Rabbi?
Ok...so Ovadiah Yosef should be banned from the Rabbanim, kicked out completely if this accusation is proven. He ought to actually be thrown in jail, and of course...everyone already knows what I think of Shas in general.
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Every chief Rabbi of Israel gets paid.
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Do you think that Kadima would preserve his job if he preached AGAINST surrender? ::)
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But he told Sephardim to vote for surrender in the 90s.
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Every chief Rabbi of Israel gets paid.
Even in The 1990's? He was Chief Rabbi in The 1970's.
Good point. So how does he get paid then?
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I don't know what the heck that is, TruthTyper (FruitTyper). You are probably just making up Hebrew-sounding words to try to sound credible.
Haha you dont even know what a sefer is, no wonder you are making fun of Harav Ovadia. I understand, you are a apikores, and you dont know anybetter. When you go on the torah derech, you will see the light.
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Dom, he isnt a Apikores, he is a Christian.
The Chief Rabbis are paid while they are in office, no longer, and while Rav Mordechai Eliyahu HaTzadik was Chief Rabbi he and the government were fighting all the time, as he supported Rabbi Kahane zt'l.
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What a Hillul Hashem for a Christian to call the chief rabbi names. Hitler was one of them, Pimp was one, ETC. If the Mods dont do something about this, they are sick as well.
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What a Hillul Hashem for a Christian to call the chief rabbi names. Hitler was one of them, Pimp was one, ETC. If the Mods dont do something about this, they are sick as well.
While I do think it is wrong to call names....
Let me just say that I am a Jew. It does not bother me in the least if a Christian should speak the truth regarding a Rabbi. Being a Rabbi does not make one above G-d's laws. Nor does it make one right in every regard.
Ovadiah Yosef has made a fool of himself and of his followers. He has led them astray...HE himself is a Hillul HaShem for the wicked things he has taught his followers in regard to Israel.
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What a Hillul Hashem for a Christian to call the chief rabbi names. Hitler was one of them, Pimp was one, ETC. If the Mods dont do something about this, they are sick as well.
Have you analyzed your own statement? As a Christian, I am not under Halacha. Thus your sentence is oxymoronic.
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In fact for a Goy to be considered a righteous gentile he must follow at the least the Sheva Mitzvot Benai Noach, to even be eligable to be considered to be a righteous gentile a non-Jew must have respect for the Torah and its sages.
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What a Hillul Hashem for a Christian to call the chief rabbi names. Hitler was one of them, Pimp was one, ETC. If the Mods dont do something about this, they are sick as well.
Have you analyzed your own statement? As a Christian, I am not under Halacha. Thus your sentence is oxymoronic.
Did I say u are under halacha? You dont even understand what I said before, so dont respond. It has nothing to do with Halacha.
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Who cares what his position is. He could be the chief rabbi or chief tuchis wiper but if he does something wrong he must be critisized. He is a pimp simply because he is involved with prostitution. For a couple of bucks he is ruining Israel. Dominater96, stop defending this piece of drek.
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Dominator, what Rav Ovadia Yosef is doing is evil. He needs to be criticized. Cut out your idiotic beliefs that non-Jews can't criticize him. Kadima is an anti-Torah gov't. Why would Yosef tell Shas to say with them? He's clearly gone senile.
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HERE'S MASSUHDGOODNAME'S SAY ON THIS MATTER:
I WORSHIP HA'SHEM.
I DO NOT WORSHIP IDOLS OR HUMAN FLESH.
I MOST CERTAINLY DO NOT WORSHIP HUMAN BEINGS WHO FIND THEMSELVES EITHER BY CASTE OR CHOICE, IN THE PROFESSIONAL "HOLY MAN" BUSINESS.
JUST BECAUSE YOU'VE READ EVERYTHING EVER WRITTEN ON PAPER OR PARCHMENT WRITTEN BY A JEW, AND KNOW ALL OF THE TALMUDIC ARGUMENTS FOR AND AGAINST EVERY CONCEIVABLE IDEA TO BE CONSTRUED FROM TORAH, DOES NOT IN ANY WAY MAKE YOU A "HOLY MAN".
THOSE HERE WHO CONSIDER SUCH "PROFESSIONAL HOLY MEN" TO BE INVIOLABLE AND SACROSANCT, ARE IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, MORE ATTUNED TO THE DOGMAS OF THE CHURCH OF ROME RATHER THAN THE WORSHIP OF HA'SHEM.
MOSHE RABBEINU WAS HUMBLE, RELUCTANT, "THICK OF SPEECH".
HE WAS NOT A "PROFESSIONAL HOLY MAN" COMPLETE WITH "HIGH MAINTENANCE" YESHIVAS AND A CLAQUE OF FOLLOWERS WHO WORSHIPPED HIM.
NOR DID HE WORK IN COLLUSION WITH AMORAL SECULAR GOVERNMENTS IN DIRECT CONFLICT TO THE DICTATES OF THE ONE TRUE G-D OF ISRAEL.
PLEASE STOP THESE "MY HOLY MAN IS MORE HOLY AND UNASSAILABLE THAN YOUR HOLY MAN" ARGUMENTS!
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Dominator you are the most dangerous piece of excrement possible. Stop critisizing this righteous gentile once and for all. Your not a goy but rather a walking sack of sh*t. So what if he doesn't know what a sefer is, he at least knows right from wrong something which you don't. I know what a sefer is and all the ones ovadia writes are as worthless as a shvrtzas soiled gatkes. When you see we have such a righteous gentile as Chaimfan who happens to know a lot about judaism and who values jewish life more than you do, why do you have to keep on harassing him? Your stinkin rabbi is not a tenth of the person Chaimfan is. For someone as empty mentally as yourself you sure are arrogant. We have listed so many things that that retarded old man has done to harm jews and you have yet to mention one positive action of his. Stop while you are ahead . And Chaimfan, you know Chaim supports you so please don't take this chucklehead seriously. H needs to be personally betrayed by that by that large sexual deviant Ovadia before he will heed our mesage.
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Lets Review said about the former CHIEF RABBI Ovadia Yosef-
*-You said Hacham Ovadia's sefarim (which include Yalkut Yosef a sefer used by almost all sefardim as a halachic reference) are as worthless as a schvartza's soiled gatkes (what ever that means).
*- A stinkin rabbi not a tenth of chaimfan (who isnt jewish)
*- A retarded old man.
*- A sexual divient.
I can take abuse and namecalling against me, but not against my rabbi. Enough is enough. Mods do something already!!!!!
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Dominator you are the most dangerous piece of excrement possible. Stop critisizing this righteous gentile once and for all. Your not a goy but rather a walking sack of sh*t. So what if he doesn't know what a sefer is, he at least knows right from wrong something which you don't. I know what a sefer is and all the ones ovadia writes are as worthless as a shvrtzas soiled gatkes. When you see we have such a righteous gentile as Chaimfan who happens to know a lot about judaism and who values jewish life more than you do, why do you have to keep on harassing him? Your stinkin rabbi is not a tenth of the person Chaimfan is. For someone as empty mentally as yourself you sure are arrogant. We have listed so many things that that retarded old man has done to harm jews and you have yet to mention one positive action of his. Stop while you are ahead . And Chaimfan, you know Chaim supports you so please don't take this chucklehead seriously. H needs to be personally betrayed by that by that large sexual deviant Ovadia before he will heed our mesage.
And you ask for something positive he has done for Bnai Yisrael? HE WRITES MANY SEFARIM AND IS A POSEK. EVEN THOUGH YOU DONT CARE ABOUT TORAH THIS IS MORE IMPORTANT THEN ANYTHING ELSE!!!!!!
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Firstly dominator96 is the one making the personal attacks against me and Chaimfan. yacov, it is quite obvious that I stopped the personal attacks and Dominator96 resumed them. He has this thing for attacking gentiles whenever an opportunity arrises. Just cause Chaimfan does not know what the word sefer means, that chaya domainator has to attack him. Then he went on to question my brainpower for no apparent reason as I never once said I was smarter than anyone. Dominator is either having sexual relations with Ovadia or he is being held up financially by him. Screw him!!!!!!!!
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No i didnt start with chaimfan. he said that I was making up hebrew words, so I told him I wasnt.
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Listen don't look at the words I write, look at the substance. My message is inline with Chiam Ben Pesachs and the other guys isn't. Why am I being warned when Chaim Ben Pesach agreed with me clearly on the April 22nd Ask jtf?
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I can't believe it, you warn me for just stating the truth. I don't believe this forum at all represents the JTF shows I have watched for the last 4 years on QPTV in queens. All this talk of using kind words toward shvartzas and now going soft against traitors wwho Chaim has openly attacked on the air has got me quite puzzled. Many of my views on the issues have been shaped by chaim and I now have to reconsider everything. I am taking your warning seriously and I am quite turned off. I am not going to take this forum seriously anymore and I do not believe it represents Chaim Ben pesach accurately. I hope Chaim comes on here to straighten things out. As of now, I don't think banning me will make much of a difference as my time on here will be dramatically less anyways.
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Yacov, why are you so afraid of what Revava and Bnei Elim think of our insults?
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Funny, Yacovs actions towards me would make revava proud and is turning a real kahanist like myself way off. Chaimfan you are such a nice guy and I really wish I knew you in real life. Don't take these attacks seriously. the fact that you have stuck around even after you were attacked and then blamed for the whole mess really shows what a good person you are. The way things are going, you soon won't have me to defend you as I am thinking of quiting. i only have god things to say about you
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OK Yalkut Yosef is an excellent Sefer, I glanced at it a while back. The guy is not evil G-d forbid so you shouldn't call him names. He is a learned Rabbi that probably is an expert on Halacha. The only problem is on the Israel thing we think that he is way off and we also think he's not doing a good job with the Shas fiasco. The Oslo thing was really bad and who knows what would have happened if they never supported it. Kahane was the only Rabbi who was right about the Israel approach but unfortunitely many otherwise brilliant Scholars stumble on this issue since they don't listen to him but try to compromise with the leftists or do the wrong things because of fear, conveinyence and pressure. Well, they all fail. But they are not evil I think, just wrong.
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Why did you call me an extreme rightist though? I didn't care for that at all.
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Whatever, if you are a real extreme right wing jew like myself than commenting in this forum is like walking on eggshells. You never know when something bad will happen to you and I have to weigh every word when talking about traitors.
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Funny, Yacovs actions towards me would make revava proud and is turning a real kahanist like myself way off. Chaimfan you are such a nice guy and I really wish I knew you in real life. Don't take these attacks seriously. the fact that you have stuck around even after you were attacked and then blamed for the whole mess really shows what a good person you are. The way things are going, you soon won't have me to defend you as I am thinking of quiting. i only have G-d things to say about you
Don't go, DownwithIslam. We need you.
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Yacov, Chaim would argue that these people are fake Kahanists. They hated Kahane while he was alive and hate JTF and Jonathan Pollard today. What makes you think anything we can do can convince them of our rightness?
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Whatever, if you are a real extreme right wing jew like myself than commenting in this forum is like walking on eggshells. You never know when something bad will happen to you and I have to weigh every word when talking about traitors.
I'm not Jewish, actually, but if you mean extreme as a compliment, thanks.
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Obviously that was meant as a compliment.
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You guys have to use some logic and stop acting out of hatred all the time. Our movement will never get any respect or have any success if we go around cursing out everyone. If a Rabbi is respected by 95% of the Sephardic Jews and 90% of the Askenazi Jews, you don't go around cursing him out. Exposing the wrong that he did is fine but cursing him out is something else.
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Whatever, if you are a real extreme right wing jew like myself than commenting in this forum is like walking on eggshells. You never know when something bad will happen to you and I have to weigh every word when talking about traitors.
I'm not Jewish, actually, but if you mean extreme as a compliment, thanks.
Of course it's a compliment. Barry Goldwater, of all people, once said: I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!
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OK Yalkut Yosef is an excellent Sefer, I glanced at it a while back. The guy is not evil G-d forbid so you shouldn't call him names. He is a learned Rabbi that probably is an expert on Halacha. The only problem is on the Israel thing we think that he is way off and we also think he's not doing a good job with the Shas fiasco. The Oslo thing was really bad and who knows what would have happened if they never supported it. Kahane was the only Rabbi who was right about the Israel approach but unfortunitely many otherwise brilliant Scholars stumble on this issue since they don't listen to him but try to compromise with the leftists or do the wrong things because of fear, conveinyence and pressure. Well, they all fail. But they are not evil I think, just wrong.
I agree. But we have to remember torah is of the upmost importance.Yacov, Chaim would argue that these people are fake Kahanists. They hated Kahane while he was alive and hate JTF and Jonathan Pollard today. What makes you think anything we can do can convince them of our rightness?
Nothing. You are wrong. You dont insult Talmedi Hachamim. You can criticize their politics, but never call them names. I dont agree with his politics and criticize it all of the time. But I would never resort to name calling of such a rabbi. His halachic view is that according to halacha, it is permissable to negotiate with the arabs, and even give away some land, if it will save lives. Of course he was wrong about it, but this is his view. I dont agree with it, but I wont call him names for it.
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I agree with you Dominater96 since Pirkai Avot warns about this.
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He is also a great rav. If it is the Rav that im thinking of he is the rosh yeshivah of Ateret Cohanim Yeshivah in the Muslim quarter. He believed that in the disengagement soldiers and people should listen to the gov't. He actually spoke at the Ravs memorial in Israel a couple years back.
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I think if the Rabbi is an Erev Rav Rabbi you can attack and insult him but it is problematic and leads to a slippery slope. This Erev Rav Rule will lead to posters bashing every Rabbi under the sun since they will just call every Rabbi Erev Rav so it is better off not insulting anyone unless we have proof that he is Erev Rav. I don't like him at all since he worked with the establishment to kick Jews out of their homes and choked a Jew but I play it safe and don't insult any Orthodox Rabbi personally since I am afraid of the consequences.
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Under the definition posted in Erev Rav Watch, isn't he?
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I don't think he is Erev Rav. I just think he is wrong and has immense harm with his approach like the other 95+% of Charedi Rabbis who agree with him. I leave it to Chaim to say which Rabbis are the erev rav. I wouldn't dare make such decisions since I am not learned enough.
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What defines Erev Rav?
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Chaimfan, there are certain parts of the Torah that may not be taught to non-Jews, Erev Rav mostly falls in that category.
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I am not learned on this are but here is my own opinion:
Erev Rav are Jews who knowingly and purposely do actions against the Torah to harm the Jewish People.
Korach and Datan in the Bible were examples of the Erev Rav.
Erev Rav does not include Rabbis who do things within the possible framework of the Torah with good intentions even if they are wrong or end up being proven wrong. These are just Rabbis who did the wrong thing and may have sinned but they are not Erev Rav since they did not knowingly and purposely try to undermine the Torah and do harm to the Jewish Nation. Erev Rav does not include those who try to do what is correct but do the wrong thing and don't learn from their actions but remain fools. These are stupid fools who have sinned but they are not Erev Rav.
I say that Reform and conservative Rabbis are Erev Rav.
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Datan and Aviram and Korach were Jews. They were evil Jews. That's what the Erev Rav was: Either they were self hating Jews or they were Jews that purposely trampled on the Torah and harmed the Jewish nation for the sake of honor, fame or because they were tempted by the evil inclination to sin and drag others down with them.
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I say that Reform and conservative Rabbis are Erev Rav.
What about tonycali's "gay Orthodox" rabbi?
"Gay orthodox rabbi" sounds like an oxymoron to me.
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it is
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I am not learned on this are but here is my own opinion:
Erev Rav are Jews who knowingly and purposely do actions against the Torah to harm the Jewish People.
Korach and Datan in the Bible were examples of the Erev Rav.
Erev Rav does not include Rabbis who do things within the possible framework of the Torah with good intentions even if they are wrong or end up being proven wrong. These are just Rabbis who did the wrong thing and may have sinned but they are not Erev Rav since they did not knowingly and purposely try to undermine the Torah and do harm to the Jewish Nation. Erev Rav does not include those who try to do what is correct but do the wrong thing and don't learn from their actions but remain fools. These are stupid fools who have sinned but they are not Erev Rav.
I say that Reform and conservative Rabbis are Erev Rav.
Korach Datan weren't Jews? Were they literally Erev Rav that left Egypt with The Jews or were they just self-hating Jews?
No they werent Egyptians. In Sefer Shemot you may remember Moshe telling a man "Rasha Lama Take Reecha". I think a perush says that he was talking to Datan and Aviram.