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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: MasterWolf1 on May 20, 2007, 04:13:28 PM
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Ron Paul is a Republican Congressman from Texas, who ran as the Libertarian candidate for President in 1988.
He has consistently voted against the USA PATRIOT Act.
Ron Paul is a Nazi.
Giuliani had this confrontation with Paul at the Fox News debate:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hc1ohELwjWo&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Edailykos%2Ecom%2Fstory%2F2007%2F5%2F16%2F75159%2F9450
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Ron Paul is a Republican Congressman from Texas, who ran as the Libertarian candidate for President in 1988.
He has consistently voted against the USA PATRIOT Act.
Ron Paul is a Nazi.
Giuliani had this confrontation with Paul at the Fox News debate:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hc1ohELwjWo&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Edailykos%2Ecom%2Fstory%2F2007%2F5%2F16%2F75159%2F9450
I wouldn't be unhappy if Chaim ben Pesach ran into Ron Paul on the street and gave him the JTF solution.
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Ron Paul is a Republican Congressman from Texas, who ran as the Libertarian candidate for President in 1988.
He has consistently voted against the USA PATRIOT Act.
Ron Paul is a Nazi.
Did it cross your mind that the FBI could decide that JTF is terrorist organization and throw Chaim to prison like in the 1980s?
Washington is populated by Jew-hating crooks and Patriot Act is a dangerous tool in their hands.
Giuliani had this confrontation with Paul at the Fox News debate:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hc1ohELwjWo&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Edailykos%2Ecom%2Fstory%2F2007%2F5%2F16%2F75159%2F9450
Giuliani supports the murder of unborn children. The number of abortions far exceeds the number of Israelis and Americans killed in Iraq. Paul is a very moral person in social issues.
It would help Israel if Paul was elected the President. Israel does not need billions of American foreign aid yearly but the Muslims certainly do need the billions of dollars given to them by Washington to purchase weapons to use against Israel. Paul wants to end all foreign aid.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul363.html
Paul certainly has some wrong sympathies towards the "suffering" of Palestinians but so do all American politicians. However, Paul does not confuse these sympathies with his conservative principles which means that in the large issues JTF and Paul agree.
JTF also wants to end the American foreign aid to Israel. http://www.jtf.org/israel/israel.true.zionists.oppose.foreign.aid.htm
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Ron Paul is a Republican Congressman from Texas, who ran as the Libertarian candidate for President in 1988.
He has consistently voted against the USA PATRIOT Act.
Ron Paul is a Nazi.
Did it cross your mind that the FBI could decide that JTF is terrorist organization and throw Chaim to prison like in the 1980s?
Washington is populated by Jew-hating crooks and Patriot Act is a dangerous tool in their hands.
Giuliani had this confrontation with Paul at the Fox News debate:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hc1ohELwjWo&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Edailykos%2Ecom%2Fstory%2F2007%2F5%2F16%2F75159%2F9450
Giuliani supports the murder of unborn children. The number of abortions far exceeds the number of Israelis and Americans killed in Iraq. Paul is a very moral person in social issues.
It would help Israel if Paul was elected the President. Israel does not need billions of American foreign aid yearly but the Muslims certainly do need the billions of dollars given to them by Washington to purchase weapons to use against Israel. Paul wants to end all foreign aid.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul363.html
Paul certainly has some wrong sympathies towards the "suffering" of PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazis but so do all American politicians. However, Paul does not confuse these sympathies with his conservative principles which means that in the large issues JTF and Paul agree.
JTF also wants to end the American foreign aid to Israel. http://www.jtf.org/israel/israel.true.zionists.oppose.foreign.aid.htm
The Patriot Act cannot be used against JTF. JTF is not breaking any laws.
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The Patriot Act cannot be used against JTF. JTF is not breaking any laws.
Wishful thinking. Hate speech is soon criminalized.
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The Patriot Act cannot be used against JTF. JTF is not breaking any laws.
Wishful thinking. Hate speech is soon criminalized.
When the 1st amendment is overturned, then we can have this discussion. In the meantime, Ron Paul is a Nazi.
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When the 1st amendment is overturned, then we can have this discussion. In the meantime, Ron Paul is a Nazi.
Ron Paul's opinion is that Congress has given future administrations a tool called the Patriot Act to investigate pro-life or gun rights organizations on the grounds that fringe members of such groups advocate violence. He is not concerned of Muzzis but of real freedom-loving Americans.
That opinion does not make him a Nazi. The Nazis were against liberty whereas Ron Paul is for liberty.
Rudy Giuliani is a liberal scumbag as he is pro-choice, anti-2nd amendment and pro-illegal. Ron Paul is a much better candidate. Not perfect though as I would prefer Tancredo or Duncan Hunter.
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Ron Paul's opinion is that Congress has given future administrations a tool called the Patriot Act to investigate pro-life or gun rights organizations on the grounds that fringe members of such groups advocate violence. He is not concerned of Muzzis but of real freedom-loving Americans.
What does it bother you or me if Congress uses the Patriot Act to investigate fringe lunatics who advocate violence? The modern-day Birchers are a danger to this country.
The importance of the Patriot Act is that it can be used to spy on enemy Muslims living in the US.
The Nazis were against liberty whereas Ron Paul is for liberty.
The Nazis would tell you they also supported liberty. For Aryans only.
Rudy Giuliani is a liberal scumbag as he is pro-choice, anti-2nd amendment and pro-illegal. Ron Paul is a much better candidate. Not perfect though as I would prefer Tancredo or Duncan Hunter.
As far as your argument of Paul being the best of the [censored] lot, I would disagree. How would Paul handle Muzzie violence against us? Would it all of a sudden just stop once he is elected president and we leave Iraq? NO! They would still blow up our embassies overseas, still sponsor terrorism, and still try to figure out a way to nuke us. Stop being so naive as to think that Ron Paul is a foreign policy genius.
Mitt Romney may not be a true conservative, but that's ok in this era of madness. Mitt Romney, however, has the cajones to do what needs to be done and that is launch missiles at Iran.
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What does it bother you or me if Congress uses the Patriot Act to investigate fringe lunatics who advocate violence? The modern-day Birchers are a danger to this country.
The importance of the Patriot Act is that it can be used to spy on enemy Muslims living in the US.
Because law-abiding organizations which merely have "links" to violence and terrorism may also be investigated.
Chaim Ben Pesach has been convicted of a "terrorism" and is a persona non grata in Israel. The Israeli traitor government closely allied to Washington considers Chaim "a danger to the country". It is obvious that the Patriot Act is not good for JTF.
The Nazis would tell you they also supported liberty. For Aryans only.
Ron Paul's fault is that he supports liberty for all. I disagree because [censored] and Muslims do not deserve liberty.
A candidate who is generally for liberty is better than a candidate who wants to restrict the liberty of White Christians and Jews.
As far as your argument of Paul being the best of the [censored] lot, I would disagree.
I haven't said so. Tom Tancredo and Duncan Hunter are much better candidates than Paul.
How would Paul handle Muzzie violence against us? Would it all of a sudden just stop once he is elected president and we leave Iraq?
NO! They would still blow up our embassies overseas, still sponsor terrorism, and still try to figure out a way to nuke us. Stop being so naive as to think that Ron Paul is a foreign policy genius.
Tancredo and Hunter would do a better job at it. However, I don't think that withdrawal from Iraq would considerably raise the risk of terrorist attacks to America. The real threat is Iran.
Besides, I think Israel is perfectly capable of handling Muslim terrorists. Israel only needs a Kahanist government and America should stay out of Israel's business. That is JTF's position too.
Mitt Romney may not be a true conservative, but that's ok in this era of madness. Mitt Romney, however, has the cajones to do what needs to be done and that is launch missiles at Iran.
Romney will never have the courage to say something like "nuke Mecca" like Tancredo did. He is anti-2nd amendment, wants more immigration, is pro-choice, pro-gay and liberal in general.
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Mitt Romney may not be a true conservative, but that's ok in this era of madness. Mitt Romney, however, has the cajones to do what needs to be done and that is launch missiles at Iran.
Romney will never have the courage to say something like "nuke Mecca" like Tancredo did. He is anti-2nd amendment, wants more immigration, is pro-choice, pro-gay and liberal in general.
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I'm fine with a socially liberal president as long as he can save our asses from the Muzzies. We have to prioritize or we'll die.
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I'm fine with a socially liberal president as long as he can save our asses from the Muzzies. We have to prioritize or we'll die.
Then you have your priorities wrong. Abortion has killed millions of people.
Muslims aren't going to kill us. Their weak and corrupt nations could never win battles against Western military forces.
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I'm fine with a socially liberal president as long as he can save our asses from the Muzzies. We have to prioritize or we'll die.
Then you have your priorities wrong. Abortion has killed millions of people.
Muslims aren't going to kill us. Their weak and corrupt nations could never win battles against Western military forces.
I hate abortion, but I'm not willing to prioritize it above national security. I'm mainly concerned about Iran building nuclear bombs.
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http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=20783
"Hearing Rep. Ron Paul recite the reasons for Arab and Islamic resentment of the United States, including 10 years of bombing and sanctions that brought death to thousands of Iraqis after the Gulf War, Rudy Giuliani broke format and exploded"
With this statement, Paul implied that Saddam was involved in the planning of the attacks. Weren't Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and Perle the ones who argued this? I don't think Paul realized that with his statement, he was agreeing with a position that he disagrees with.
"Lest we forget, Osama bin Laden was among the mujahideen whom we, in the Reagan decade, were aiding when they were fighting to expel the Red Army from Afghanistan. We sent them Stinger missiles, Spanish mortars, sniper rifles. And they helped drive the Russians out."
Should the US have allowed Russia to have influence there?
"What Ron Paul was addressing was the question of what turned the allies we aided into haters of the United States. Was it the fact that they discovered we have freedom of speech or separation of church and state? Do they hate us because of who we are?"
Yes to both.
"Or do they hate us because of what we do?"
They use this as their excuse.
"Ron Paul says Osama bin Laden is delighted we invaded Iraq. "
Is it true that about a couple weeks before the war began, bin Laden released a tape daring the US-led coalition to invade?
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The Patriot Act cannot be used against JTF. JTF is not breaking any laws.
Wishful thinking. Hate speech is soon criminalized.
Rosie calls the government a terrorist organization and the 1st Amendment allows her to irresponsibly say so.
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When the 1st amendment is overturned, then we can have this discussion. In the meantime, Ron Paul is a Nazi.
Ron Paul's opinion is that Congress has given future administrations a tool called the Patriot Act to investigate pro-life or gun rights organizations on the grounds that fringe members of such groups advocate violence. He is not concerned of Muzzis but of real freedom-loving Americans.
That opinion does not make him a Nazi. The Nazis were against liberty whereas Ron Paul is for liberty.
Rudy Giuliani is a liberal scumbag as he is pro-choice, anti-2nd amendment and pro-illegal. Ron Paul is a much better candidate. Not perfect though as I would prefer Tancredo or Duncan Hunter.
I think Duncan Hunter is the most well-rounded of the three.
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I'm fine with a socially liberal president as long as he can save our asses from the Muzzies. We have to prioritize or we'll die.
Then you have your priorities wrong. Abortion has killed millions of people.
Muslims aren't going to kill us. Their weak and corrupt nations could never win battles against Western military forces.
I hate abortion, but I'm not willing to prioritize it above national security. I'm mainly concerned about Iran building nuclear bombs.
I agree with you.
But what about pregnancies out-of-wedlock? Isn't this illegitimate? Should an abortion not be allowed to prevent an out-of-wedlock birth?
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I agree with you.
But what about pregnancies out-of-wedlock? Isn't this illegitimate? Should an abortion not be allowed to prevent an out-of-wedlock birth?
Is it right to kill a person who has been born out of wedlock?
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Yes Ron Paul would be a disaster for Israel and the USA. Thankfully he doesn't chance a chance of winning.
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Yes Ron Paul would be a disaster for Israel and the USA. Thankfully he doesn't chance a chance of winning.
Duncan Hunter and Tom Tancredo are the only candidates better than Ron Paul but they have even smaller chances. I would prefer Ron Paul to a pro-abortion candidate because being pro-abortion causes more murders than the Islamists could ever possibly cause.
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Ron Paul is a Republican Congressman from Texas, who ran as the Libertarian candidate for President in 1988.
He has consistently voted against the USA PATRIOT Act.
Isn't that his prerogative? With all the abuses that have taken place, sounds like he was right!
Ron Paul is a Nazi.
No, Ron Paul is an independent. To foolishly blather he's a Nazi diminishes the seriousness of those who are Nazis. Are you like too many blacks who call everybody a "racist" who dares to disagree with them? You owe Ron Paul an apology but he's man enough to not require it I'm sure or to lose sleep over it.
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The Patriot Act cannot be used against JTF. JTF is not breaking any laws.
Wishful thinking. Hate speech is soon criminalized.
When the 1st amendment is overturned, then we can have this discussion. In the meantime, Ron Paul is a Nazi.
Ron Paul is not a Nazi but those who foam at the mouth against him more closely resemble Hitler during his rants.
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Washington is populated by Jew-hating crooks and Patriot Act is a dangerous tool in their hands.
And some of them aren't even Jewish!
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I don't see what's wrong with Ron Paul? He's pro 2nd amendment, he's anti illegal immigration and he has never voted to raise taxes or congressional pay.
Because you're seeing clearly that Ron Paul is in the best interests of the United States and Israel. For those who insist, those who fear him, may they discover he's a blessing in disguise by calling for an end to ALL foreign aid (and most of that aid to Israel amounts to bribes).
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Ron Paul is a weasel.
There's not a problem in the Mideast that he doesn't blame on Israel.
He consistently says the way to deal with Iran is to increase trade and negotiate.
He blames 9/11 and Moozie aggression on American foreign policy.
He's a spineless bootlicking appeaser.
In fact, the highlight of the Republican debates so far was when Guiliani bitchslapped the little worm and got a tremendous ovation for doing so.
Ron Paul is an Israel bashing peckerhead.
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If Ron Paul is NOT on the arab payroll.................I'm Greta Garbo!
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By the way, this week there was a congressional vote on whether to condemn some [censored] union in the U.K. that has chosen to boycott Israel and divest from the Jewish nation.
The vote was something like 410-0 with 2 'present' votes. A 'present' vote means the representative attended the session but chose not to vote on the issue.
Guess who was one of the 'present' votes ?
That's right. Ron Paulestinian.
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Like hell i'd ever vote for Romney, i'm not going to vote for someone who supports the patriot act and gun control. The patriot act hasn't been used just against muslims but it's been used against milita groups in the US as well, remember the raids on the Alabama militia? How many more Wacos do we need which would probably be justified under the patriot act? Lets not forget throughout history gun control has been used by the enemys to disarm the populance, the Nazis did it to the Jews and the communists did it to the people of the state. The only difference between the two was their political agenda. I can't believe anyone would put our gun rights to the side and make a priority out of another issue. If Israel wanted to take out Iran right now, no doubt that they could but the US practically has control of Israel as if it were just another state.
"Neither a borrower nor a lender be"
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Rudy Giuliani is by far the best candidate and the best chance that the GOP has of taking the 2008 election. Rudy Giuliani many not be the ideal candidate but he presents the best chance of keeping Hillary and Obama out of the White House which would be a total disaster. Giuliani will keep the United States on Offence and will put the proper pressure on Iran. He has stated that he will even use tactile nuclear weapons if it comes down to it. Nuclear Iran is not a choice with Rudy.
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Rudy Giuliani is by far the best candidate and the best chance that the GOP has of taking the 2008 election. Rudy Giuliani many not be the ideal candidate but he presents the best chance of keeping Hillary and Obama out of the White House which would be a total disaster. Giuliani will keep the United States on Offence and will put the proper pressure on Iran. He has stated that he will even use tactile nuclear weapons if it comes down to it. Nuclear Iran is not a choice with Rudy.
Heres rudys record, I won't be voting for him either
Rudy Giuliani on Civil Rights
Click here for 10 full quotes on Civil Rights OR other candidates on Civil Rights OR background on Civil Rights.)
* Opposed Pres. Bush's ban on gay marriage. (Jan 2007)
* Pro gay rights. (Jul 2006)
* Free speech for private expression, not publicly-funded art. (Oct 1999)
* Extended all city benefits to same-sex couples. (May 1998)
* Supports affirmative action. (Apr 1989)
He also supports gun registration and licensing and wants all gun owners to have to take a written test, screw that.
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Rudy Giuliani is by far the best candidate and the best chance that the GOP has of taking the 2008 election. Rudy Giuliani many not be the ideal candidate but he presents the best chance of keeping Hillary and Obama out of the White House which would be a total disaster. Giuliani will keep the United States on Offence and will put the proper pressure on Iran. He has stated that he will even use tactile nuclear weapons if it comes down to it. Nuclear Iran is not a choice with Rudy.
Heres rudys record, I won't be voting for him either
Rudy Giuliani on Civil Rights
Click here for 10 full quotes on Civil Rights OR other candidates on Civil Rights OR background on Civil Rights.)
* Opposed Pres. Bush's ban on gay marriage. (Jan 2007)
* Pro gay rights. (Jul 2006)
* Free speech for private expression, not publicly-funded art. (Oct 1999)
* Extended all city benefits to same-sex couples. (May 1998)
* Supports affirmative action. (Apr 1989)
He also supports gun registration and licensing and wants all gun owners to have to take a written test, screw that.
As a victim of stupid gun laws down under I beg every American not to vote for ANYONE who'll threaten the 2nd ammendment. Lose your guns and you'll lose your country......believe it.
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With all due respect, do you actually beleive Guiliani is going to take your guns away ?
It's never going to happen.
You think the President has any real control over, or decides whether a homo has the right to marry his or her partner ?
Let's be realistic here.
This is going to come down to a one issue election.
Which candidate do you trust to fight moooozies ?
Yeah, Duncan Hunter might do a better job and you might feel more comfortable with his stance on gun control, abortion, affirmative action, gay rights etc.
But Duncan Hunter isn't going to win the Republican nomination, and he isn't getting elected.
Your most likely choice is between Romney, Thompson (if he deicdes to run), and Guiliani.
Ask yourself, out of those 3, which one do you trust most to fight mooozies ?
I don't know about you, but Romney and Thompson both set off my bullshiite detector every time they open their yappers.
Yup, Guiliani has his blemishes and warts, but he also has something else going for him.
A proven track record and credibility.
Rudy wasn't worried about gay rights when he tossed Arafag out of Lincoln center, and he showed a set of stones when he told the Saudi pig to shove his 10 million.
That told me alot about the man.
What the hell has Romney or Thompson ever done to engender your trust ?
Rudy also did a helluva job cleaning up NYC.
So take a deep breath and think it over.
Out of the candidates with a realistic chance of attaining the White House, who's going to do the best job of combating Islam ?
It sure as heck isn't a Dhimmicrat.
I submit Guiliani is the best hope we've got right now.
And I predict JTF will be endorsing him when the 2008 election rolls around.
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That may be so. But I'm just saying G_d help you if he introduces gun registration, because as sure as night follows day......confiscation follows registration. And when citizens are unarmed...........they have no choice but to cop what the tyrant of the day dishes out.
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Doesn't matter if he has the power or not, you think Guiliani wouldn't sign a gun bill if it came to his desk like bill clinton did when Sarah Brady asked him? Guiliani disarmed the people of NYC and I'll be damned if i'm giving up my guns or becoming a felon because he requires me to have a gun license. Guiliani will never get my vote regardless of how pro Israel he is, Clinton claimed he was pro Israel and look how that turned out. Same with Bush. Go ahead and vote Guiliani, i'm voting for someone who actually cares about my rights, not talks out of his ass to try and sucker people into getting votes. How the heck did Guiliani suddenly become a hero after 9/11? Everyone hated him before that.
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Zero tollerence in local law enforcement is one thing, but do it federally and you could (possibly ) have Ruby Ridges all across the USA.
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Cohen says:
"Go ahead and vote Guiliani, i'm voting for someone who actually cares about my rights, not talks out of his ass to try and sucker people into getting votes."
Who is that ?
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With all due respect, do you actually beleive Guiliani is going to take your guns away ?
It's never going to happen.
You think the President has any real control over, or decides whether a homo has the right to marry his or her partner ?
Let's be realistic here.
This is going to come down to a one issue election.
Which candidate do you trust to fight moooozies ?
Yeah, Duncan Hunter might do a better job and you might feel more comfortable with his stance on gun control, abortion, affirmative action, gay rights etc.
But Duncan Hunter isn't going to win the Republican nomination, and he isn't getting elected.
Your most likely choice is between Romney, Thompson (if he deicdes to run), and Guiliani.
Ask yourself, out of those 3, which one do you trust most to fight mooozies ?
I don't know about you, but Romney and Thompson both set off my bullshiite detector every time they open their yappers.
Yup, Guiliani has his blemishes and warts, but he also has something else going for him.
A proven track record and credibility.
Rudy wasn't worried about gay rights when he tossed Arafag out of Lincoln center, and he showed a set of stones when he told the Saudi pig to shove his 10 million.
That told me alot about the man.
What the hell has Romney or Thompson ever done to engender your trust ?
Rudy also did a helluva job cleaning up NYC.
So take a deep breath and think it over.
Out of the candidates with a realistic chance of attaining the White House, who's going to do the best job of combating Islam ?
It sure as heck isn't a Dhimmicrat.
I submit Guiliani is the best hope we've got right now.
And I predict JTF will be endorsing him when the 2008 election rolls around.
If that's what Giuliani thought of Arafat, then he needs to be taught that Abbas is just like Arafat.
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Ron Paul is a Nazi.
LoL, you're kidding? ;D
He's not a good presidential candidate, but don't call everyone you don't like a nazi.
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Put it this way, the enemy of my enemy is not my friend.
I had this same conversation with a fellow Jew on paltalk and she came into our gun room saying that Guiliani wouldn't take our guns. She went as far as to say the following
"I promise you he will not take your guns or ban them, if he does, i'll give you my address and give each of you $5.00!"
I responded
"Gee thanks lady, i'm glad you appraise the value of my rare and expensive guns at only $5.00, why don't you recommend me to the gun buyback programs run by Sarah Brady instead? At least she's willing to offer $100.00"
I then turned on my camera and showed her my toys, my evil black rifle with 30 round magazine, my galil with folding stock, 35 round banana magazine, and my tec-9. She said something along the lines of
"What do you need an uzi for?"
I about smacked my head and said to myself "These people just don't get it!"
Stop making excuses about Guiliani, i'm not voting for him, period. You want to know how you can tell a politicians lying? When their lips move. Anyone that "dedicated" to taking away my rights is not going to get my vote no matter how pro Israel they are. It's nothing more than a load of crap so he can get votes from your typical Christians who think they are doing a favor to Israel by voting for someone like Bush.
I would rather have someone like Ron Paul in office because he's an isolationist, in many cases it would actually help Israel because their aid would also be cut off. Why is it Americas responsibility to send taxpayers money to the country? I have donated money to Israel before through private organizations and we don't need the government doing it so they can force Israel to destroy settlements. Screw Guiliani.
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Oh my god! You have an Uzi??? I'll move to the US IMMEDIATLY! :o
In Germany you have to run through a long long training to use a normal PISTOL! And you have to give a reason why you need one...
Oh my god i get mad...
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"What do you need an uzi for?"
I get so sick of this question.
The ONLY 'needs' are food, air, water and shelter.
EVERYTHING else we have are 'wants'.
We don't NEED uzis, SUVs, luxury cars or speed boats......we WANT them. It's also an Ameican's RIGHT to have them. That's why we all work as opposed to live on a commune!
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Oh my G-d! You have an Uzi??? I'll move to the US IMMEDIATLY! :o
In Germany you have to run through a long long training to use a normal PISTOL! And you have to give a reason why you need one...
Oh my G-d i get mad...
No lol, a "real" uzi (not the civilian politically correct semi auto variant) is quite expensive, well above 5000 dollars. It's generic, every liberal or anti gunner constantly says "Why do you need a uzi?!" or "You have kids running in the streets with uzis!" when in reality, uzis for the most part are pretty uncommon for use in crime. They may be thinking of Mac-11's and Tec-9's. Even AK47's aren't as commonly used as the media makes it out to be. Most criminals prefer small handguns because they can conceal them easily.
I also get the typical "Why do you need a 30 round clip?!", I can't stand the term clip (and it's not even the right term), but man they would freak out if they saw my chinese drum magazine for my AK.
I guess the same question could be said "why do you need a car that goes over 30 mph?!"
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Duncan Hunter won'nt take anyones guns away
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Ron Paul is an anarchist liberation who believes America’s borders should be open to the foreign invasion. Ron Paul's foreign policy is isolationism, which means America should stay out of world conflict, under Ron Paul; Iran will never learn its lessons. He is also very weak on the Islamic threat we face every day. He believes we caused 9/11 upon our selves and we should just leave them alone and then they will go away peacefully. He is also a very strong supporter of civil liberties. Ron Paul has no change of becoming president, so don't even waste your time on him.
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I'm voting Ron Paul. I don't know about anyone else.
Ron Paul will get us out of NAFTA, NATO, ETC..
Although uniting with Canada would be a good idea, and ron paul hates the north american union.
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I was kind of impressed how well he did at the debates last night.
I think it was Romney who said "We should have the ability to tap into churches and mosques, yes some rights maybe violated but we need to uphold peoples rights to make people secure, our number one priority is keeping people safe. It is better to be alive than dead" or something along those lines.
I immediately thought of this quote by Franklin.
"Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither" -Benjamin Franklin
Do you really think any of these politicians give a rats ass about Israel? Their concern isn't Islam or Muslims. Their concern is terrorism as an excuse to push the national ID act. Do you really think they are after just muslims? Remember the JDL leader who was sent to prison and killed? Our government considers the JDL a terrorist organization, what's to stop one of these candidates from declaring the JTF as a terrorist organization? They don't give a damn about Israel or Iran, it's all talk no action. This isn't something America is able to stop, Israel is going to have to do this on her own, and I have more than enough faith to believe Israel can stop Iran just like they destroyed Iraqs nuclear reactor. Israel is not a weak country filled with a bunch of pacified victims, the Jews are warriors. Ron Paul may be an isolationist and not want America to be involved in middle eastern affairs (as our founding fathers warned us) but that does not make him an anti-semite. Ron Paul said it himself last night, Israel is a strong country and a nuclear power who is more than capable of taking care of Iran by herself.
Why should we sacrifice our rights and take the lesser of two evils? I'm tired of that, and I don't trust Mccain, Guiliani or Romney one bit.
Someone mentioned Ron Paul seems to have a following of nazis that want to vote for him, you cannot attribute someone to being a nazi because the nazis figure he's the best candidate. That's like saying "hey your racist against blacks you must be a nazi" or the fact that many of us support a white south africa and that many neo nazis also support a white south africa. How about gun owners? Lots of the nazis on StørmFrønt own guns, does that mean all gun owners are nazis?
The fact is, just because we share common values and what not does not mean we have the same agenda. Ron Paul may have many ideas that I agree with but that doesn't make him a Nazi. Buchan
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You're wrong.
He's contradicted himself and doesn't purely follow the constitution.
Ron Paul is delusional and obsessed with "neocons."
He is crazy and tries to defend Iran's regime.
Ron Paul has a very annoying voice and people won't want to hear him speak anyway.
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You're wrong.
He's contradicted himself and doesn't purely follow the constitution.
Ron Paul is delusional and obsessed with "neocons."
He is crazy and tries to defend Iran's regime.
Ron Paul has a very annoying voice and people won't want to hear him speak anyway.
How did he contradict himself? He reminds me of the Mike Gravel of the democrat party. He seems rather unhappy with the direction of the Republican part. I don't recall him defending Iran but rather saying that our foreign policy and involvement in the middle east was what caused 9/11.
How does he not follow the constitution? Didn't our founding fathers warn us against getting involved with other nations?
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"I don't recall him defending Iran but rather saying that our foreign policy and involvement in the middle east was what caused 9/11."
And that impressed you ?
Ron Paul is a piece of crap.
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You're wrong.
He's contradicted himself and doesn't purely follow the constitution.
Ron Paul is delusional and obsessed with "neocons."
He is crazy and tries to defend Iran's regime.
Ron Paul has a very annoying voice and people won't want to hear him speak anyway.
How did he contradict himself? He reminds me of the Mike Gravel of the democrat party. He seems rather unhappy with the direction of the Republican part. I don't recall him defending Iran but rather saying that our foreign policy and involvement in the middle east was what caused 9/11.
How does he not follow the constitution? Didn't our founding fathers warn us against getting involved with other nations?
It seems you really do enjoy defending nazi politicians, nazi forums, and nazi "rights." You do have some interesting posts though. I'm not sure what I think of you.
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You're wrong.
He's contradicted himself and doesn't purely follow the constitution.
Ron Paul is delusional and obsessed with "neocons."
He is crazy and tries to defend Iran's regime.
Ron Paul has a very annoying voice and people won't want to hear him speak anyway.
How did he contradict himself? He reminds me of the Mike Gravel of the democrat party. He seems rather unhappy with the direction of the Republican part. I don't recall him defending Iran but rather saying that our foreign policy and involvement in the middle east was what caused 9/11.
How does he not follow the constitution? Didn't our founding fathers warn us against getting involved with other nations?
It seems you really do enjoy defending nazi politicians, nazi forums, and nazi "rights." You do have some interesting posts though. I'm not sure what I think of you.
Not at all, when has Ron Paul made a anti-semitic comment about Jews? Even Chaim (at least in his video) was in favor of ending the aid to Israel because it forces Israel to do suicidal things under US control. Israel survived fine on her own, 67 was a miracle by G-d.
Ron Paul hasn't singled out Israel, he simply doesn't want America to get involved with the middle east. He is supporting ending the foreign aid for Egypt and Saudi as well which by the way are sold American equipment which will likely be used to kill Israelis. The Israelis will have superiority over the area.
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Ron Paul doesn't want to attack Iran. He thinks America is to blame for terrorism against America. That's rapist logic. Blame the victim.
Your attempts to divide and conquer this forum are pathetic. I don't think you really are a supporter, but a plant from our opposition.
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Ron Paul doesn't want to attack Iran. He thinks America is to blame for terrorism against America. That's rapist logic. Blame the victim.
Your attempts to divide and conquer this forum are pathetic. I don't think you really are a supporter, but a plant from our opposition.
A plant? Absolutely not. There are many Jewish supporters of Ron Paul. I support Ron Paul because he is a constitutionalist. I like the fact that he is against the idea of us paying taxes on our income, I like his stance on free speech and the 2nd amendment. He is a hero amongst gun owners over on thehighroad and thefiringline. Ron Paul feels the war on Iraq was illegal, he is not against the war on terror. He feels that if we are attacked, then we should attack our enemies but he feels an attack on Iraq was not justified. Do you really think supporting George Bush is really doing Israel any better? George Bush made quite a ...controversial comments about Jews when he was mayor IIRC. George Bush has constantly pushed for a Palestinian state, the democrats are even worse. This is not something the US can do, this is something Israel will have to do and by cutting off the funds, Israel will no longer be stuck with the US breathing down her neck telling her to give up chunks of land for so called "peace".
On the other hand, we have members who support Guiliani because of his stance on Muslims yet the guy doesn't respect the constitution at all. The Soviets completely destroyed Germany, but look at how vile they were. Does that make them good people because they destroyed Germany? It hurt us long term and it was already too late. Guiliani may say muslims are our enemies but that does not make him a friend to Israel or gun owners. It's the same with Bush, he may have declared a war on terror with the muslim fanatics, however his focus has turned to 70-80 year old grandmas with no middle eastern decent. To top it off, he's trying to form a Palestinian state and justifys Hamas in power? Call a spade a spade.
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Its not just this. 4 things make me think you are a plant.
1: You repeatedly defend Paul
2: You made the statement that nazis deserve "rights."
3: You defended the phora.
4: You attempted to smear me when I pointed out the above three things, in another thread.
In short, you know all you know because you have been posting on the phora for a long time, and are repeating the propaganda people throw around about me there. You purposely left out many important facts when trying to attempt to divide this organization.
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Its not just this. 4 things make me think you are a plant.
1: You repeatedly defend Paul
2: You made the statement that nazis deserve "rights."
3: You defended the phora.
4: You attempted to smear me when I pointed out the above three things, in another thread.
In short, you know all you know because you have been posting on the phora for a long time, and are repeating the propaganda people throw around about me there. You purposely left out many important facts when trying to attempt to divide this organization.
I defend Paul because of his stance on the rights of citizens in this country, a war on terror is meaningless if our own government is turning every one of it's subjects that opposes it into a terrorist, that doesn't just apply to Muslims, the JDL was labeled a terrorist organization under US administration at one point. Who else am I supposed to vote for? Obama? Hillary? Not a cold chance in hell. The other republicans that speak of being pro Israel or what not do it to get votes from the Christians, they don't care about Israel. They rather split it up and fight silly wars in Iraq. I am right wing, but most of the republicans are not right wing enough in my opinion. Israel can fight it's self without a problem, what are we going to fight with when a tyrannical government starts passing restrictions on freedom of speech and the right to bear arms, are we supposed to fight back with sticks? Rights cannot be replaced once their taken, they never are.
I never stated "Nazis deserve rights". I stated that the United States recognizes them as having rights. Why else do you think sites like StørmFrønt exist? They are not breaking any laws in the United States. In Israel that may be a different thing which is why the White Israeli Union (the Israel neo nazis website) got shut down as it was hosted on a Israeli server.
I never defended The Phora, I stated that under the United States constitution, they have the right to free speech and are able to run the forum as they see fit, just like how JTF has the right to ban Nazis and what not from this site, but the people in charge of this site have the freedom to run this site as Americans, if they were living in Saudi or a muslim country, then that would be a different story.
I tried to smear you? I didn't hide anything, you have said contradicting statements on different websites that you are not Jewish and now you say your father is Jewish? You cannot hide what you have said on these forums, what was your purpose for posting on StørmFrønt?
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http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul335.html
It is very easy to criticize the Government of Lebanon for not doing more about Hezbollah. I object to terrorism committed by Hezbollah because I am a strong opponent to all violence on all sides. But I also object to the unreasonable accusations that the Government of Lebanon has not done enough, when we realize that Israel occupied southern Lebanon for 18 years and was not able to neutralize Hezbollah. ---Ron Paul
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You know too much, and you are ignoring the posts I've made since that repudiating the previous posts, which are much more recent and in much greater number...and you are too tenacious in your defense...you are definitely a plant. You are also dragging these threads off topic in your attempts to defend yourself, when you should be shutting up and acting like a productive member of the forum.
And btw, by JTF standards, I am considered a Righteous Gentile. For all you know about me, you don't know very much about Orthodox/Conservative Jewish Law. I told you as I became more pro-Jew and more pro-Zionist I became less self-hating. Many people of partial or full Jewish ancestry will say "I'm not Jewish" when asked if they are. The majority of Jews, and partial Jews, are self-hating Jews. You would know that, but you don't, because as I implied earlier, you are a plant.
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You know too much, and you are ignoring the posts I've made since that repudiating the previous posts, which are much more recent and in much greater number...and you are too tenacious in your defense...you are definitely a plant. You are also dragging these threads off topic in your attempts to defend yourself, when you should be shutting up and acting like a productive member of the forum.
And btw, by JTF standards, I am considered a Righteous Gentile. For all you know about me, you don't know very much about Orthodox/Conservative Jewish Law. I told you as I became more pro-Jew and more pro-Zionist I became less self-hating. Many people of partial or full Jewish ancestry will say "I'm not Jewish." The majority of Jews, and partial Jews, are self-hating Jews. You would know that, but you don't, because as I implied earlier, you are a plant.
Can you provide evidence that I am a plant? Kahaneloyalist will back me up as he knows who I am, you may ask on any forum I frequent and research my posts on Irandefence which I post on the Israel forum and defend Israel however have been banned several times from that forum, you may research my posts on Israelmilitary.net, you may research my posts on Zahal.org (which I purchase Israeli military gear from) and various other forums if you wish.
You seem to be getting rather defensive from your end, although I am not the one posting as an active user on StørmFrønt. Feel free to research my posts here on JTF as well. I am pro Israel though probably a bit more militant and redneck than some of the members.
What is your purpose that you speculate I am a plant?
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Irandefence...you should have the brains to know then, that some people debate others on people's boards. What if I started to imply that you are currently supportive of Iran because you posted on that forum. What if I purposely left out the fact that a good amount of your posts are debating other people. That would be dishonest. So don't try to be dishonest when dealing with my posts, and purpsely attempting to portray my current ideology as being something that it is not. If you were really just a "fan" of me, you'd know that I've viciously battled StørmFrønt/VNN supporters, yet you left that out to imply that I was one of them. True I've gone through some ideological evolutions, but its just dishonest to say I was ever part of the StørmFrønt ingroup, as in a well-liked and respected poster there who peddled the party line.
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Irandefence...you should have the brains to know then, that some people debate others on people's boards. What if I started to imply that you are currently supportive of Iran because you posted on that forum. What if I purposely left out the fact that a good amount of your posts are debating other people. That would be dishonest. So don't try to be dishonest when dealing with my posts, and purpsely attempting to portray my current ideology as being something that it is not. If you were really just a "fan" of me, you'd know that I've viciously battled StørmFrønt/VNN supporters, yet you left that out to imply that I was one of them. True I've gone through some ideological evolutions, but its just dishonest to say I was ever part of the StørmFrønt ingroup, as in a well-liked and respected poster there who peddled the party line.
Not at all. Irandefence is not a nationalist site, it is dedicated to talking about Iranian military. I like to know about foreign countries militarys. StørmFrønt on the other hand is only for those of the White race and generally they lock out forum users who are not white from participating from the forum except for the Opposing Views section. I didn't start the attack, you felt I was wrong because I had stated that Nazis according to US law have rights. Pretending they don't isn't going to cause the problem to go away.
I brought up your name regarding StørmFrønt, because you participated in discussions that you were a regular white nationalist who felt you were participating in their forum and engaging in debates about Zionism and what not. Some of the posts indicate to me that you were a white supremist that had lost interest and garnered to the Zionist side.
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By the way, nice comments you made on the holocaust on StørmFrønt. I'm glad we overexaggerate and that the hollywood movies about it are 'funny' to you. I'll save you the embarrassment if you can explain those posts?
Posted by Kane123123"Re: Boycott New HoloHoax Film
The only reason I like to watch it is because I laugh at the fact of how retarted Hollywood is. But I don't agree with them, I laught at it, not with it.
I see them as comedy movies, because the whole idea is a freaking joke.
Of course I wouldn't pay money to see these jokes."
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I 100% oppose holocaust denial...
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I 100% oppose holocaust denial...
Is that now? Or is that how you always felt? I mean we understand that you just wanted to debate that 6 million number and feel the holocaust is overused and what not, and that not all Jews are corrupt, just the majority of them according to you. Why not just admit you were a Nazi sympathizer at one point? I'm sure those Russian nazis in Israel are looking for new members, I bet you could even grow a tiny moustache and look great with a combover. Tell me, did you ever used to look at yourself in the mirror while raising your left hand and shouting "Sieg Heil"?
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BTW, the two of us have settled our differences. He admitted to looking at oudated posts, and skipping over my latest posts, and that was major cause of this. Posts made to impress thugs over 2 years ago that I would repudiate now in a heartbeat aren't a good means to judge my current character. The fact is at a certain point I started to openly disagree with other posters, and it I eventually got under their hair enough that I got a one year ban. This was a after I had stopped posting, one day I logged in just for kicks, and found out I was banned. It wouldn't really matter because I had quit that place anyways.
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It's good that you settled this; those kind of paranoid behavior and member bashing is hurting the JTF couse.
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He has a legitimate reason to suspect. I have said some nasty things in the past and I apologize for it.
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Ron Paul made an appearance on the O'Reilly Factor. I don't think he ever has a discussion about politics without mentioning "neocons."
How would it be possible to have zero taxes?
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Re: "...Ron Paul made an appearance on the O'Reilly Factor. I don't think he ever has a discussion about politics without mentioning "neocons."
How would it be possible to have zero taxes?"
The Bush Government, and the Republican Party, are "Republican" in name only. They are indeed "neo-conservatives; in no way resembling patriotic Americans. They are all in complete violation of their sworn oaths to protect and defend the Constitution against all enemies, both foreign and domestic. The late, great, Senator Barry Goldwater of Arizona, "The Father of the Conservative Movement", said this prior to his death, even going so far as to claim that his party "...had been taken over by a bunch of kooks."
The U.S. Constitution forbids both the income tax on labor, as well as forbids the IRS.
Read it for yourself and you will see that only corporations and overseas income are taxable by the Federal Government.
The IRS is forbidden from controlling as well as manufacturing currency; this power is strictly the domain of the U.S. Congress, and only gold and silver are allowed as the backing for our currency.
Read the words of the Founding Fathers. Thomas Jefferson said that "...a central bank was more of a threat to American sovereignty and freedom than was an occupying foreign army...". They all agreed that should a central bank along with personal income tax ever be allowed in the U.S., all of its citizens would lose their property and land to the bankers and foreign potentates.
In addition, so-called "Fast Track" Treaty negotiation power recently granted to Presidents Clinton and Bush are completely illegal. Only Congress has the ability to negotiate foreign treaties.
While you're reading, see how the U.S. President is forbidden from launching wars without a Formal Declaration Of War by Congress.
Read a newspaper today, or watch the evening news for an hour, and you will realize that those who framed our government long ago would quickly hang all of those currently governing us.
Thanks both to a criminally negligent educational system as well as an apathetic citizenry, few Americans today have any understanding or comprehension of our government as it is legally constituted.
And, make no mistake about it...The Constitution states that it is the Supreme Law of the Land...laws, treaties, and governmental establishments not in accord with it are illegal.
Therefore, your worst nightmares are now true!
You indeed live in a post-Constitution, illegal dictatorship controlled by supra-national corporations, foreign bankers, the mass media whom they own and control, and all of the Federal Government is based on a foreign ideology dedicated to the elimination of American sovereignty and freedom.
Or...perhaps you prefer U.S. Post Offices with stamps dedicated to Malcolm X the Black Muslim, and dedicated to Paul Robeson the Communist Party member, dedicated to celebrating Kwaanza, while there's not a single portrait or commemorative stamp of Washington, Jefferson, Adams, and the other Framers of the U.S. to be seen?
p.s.--does this mean that you've been living in "the matrix" without ever realizing that it actually exists?
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I agree we in europe are just serfs or worse slaves working for goverment half of the year; in USA you have atleat first and second ammendments to protect your freedoms. Beware of patriot act and gun licencing.
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MassuhDGoodName,
So then you consider real conservatives to all be "paleoconservatives", the term that Pat Buchanan likes?
For Republicans in name only, the term RINO is used.
Of people who get called a "neocon", I think the term that's truly meant for them is "globalist." Ronald Reagan a "neocon", in the sense that he was once a Democrat who switched the Republican party. Most CFR globalists are not "neocons" in that sense.
Before income taxes existed, how did branches of government obtain funding for their budgets?
In contrast to the Senate, the House of Representatives tends to be a better representation and a better reflection of their candidates. There are a good number of Congressional Reps in the GOP who are real conservatives and disagree with Bush on many issues.
I've discussed the issue of a central bank with someone else on the forum. There is speculation that the Federal Reserve is controlled by the people who started CFR and who are in charge of CFR. However, the Wall St. banks are connected with CFR and for more than a month, Wall St. supposedly has wanted the Federal Reserve interest rates to be cut. However, the FED has not yet cut interest rates. So if the FED is controlled by CFR, wouldn't the rates have been cut already?
In terms of "Fast-track" treaty negotiation, are you referring to the fraud known as NAFTA?
What is meant by declaration of war? The Congress voted for a resolution for the war in Iraq. How is that different than a Congressional declaration of war? Don't the multinational corporations want to extend the war as long as it will take them to built an embassy? I do believe that they control some of the media sources. However, then why are the media sources mostly against the Iraq War while CFR wants to continue it at least until they have an embassy built?
Maybe you should debate Ron Paul with Chaim and tell him how you feel about Paul in an Ask JTF thread. Chaim doesn't consider Paul to be one of the better candidates and I'm not doubting Chaim on this issue. I challenge you to defend Ron Paul, to Chaim.
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RationalThought110 asks me:
"So then you consider real conservatives to all be "paleoconservatives", the term that Pat Buchanan likes?"
-I consider real conservatives to be people dedicated to preserving and upholding The Constitution of the United States of America.
"For Republicans in name only, the term RINO is used."
-I find such tags unnecessary and unhelpful.
"Of people who get called a "neocon", I think the term that's truly meant for them is "globalist." Ronald Reagan a "neocon", in the sense that he was once a Democrat who switched the Republican party. Most CFR globalists are not "neocons" in that sense.
-"Internationalist" or "Globalist"; take your pick. One traitor is as good as another. "Neo-con" is about as meaningless a term as is "Post-Zionist" -- Traitors are traitors and no amount of "neologisms" can change that fact.
"Before income taxes existed, how did branches of government obtain funding for their budgets?"
-Read the original Constitution and you will find the answer.
"In contrast to the Senate, the House of Representatives tends to be a better representation and a better reflection of their candidates. There are a good number of Congressional Reps in the GOP who are real conservatives and disagree with Bush on many issues."
-Perhaps. Or maybe they're just sociopathic scoundrels who will do and say anything to maintain wealth and power. They've been part of the most corrupt government in the history of the Republic.
"I've discussed the issue of a central bank with someone else on the forum. There is speculation that the Federal Reserve is controlled by the people who started CFR and who are in charge of CFR. However, the Wall St. banks are connected with CFR and for more than a month, Wall St. supposedly has wanted the Federal Reserve interest rates to be cut. However, the FED has not yet cut interest rates. So if the FED is controlled by CFR, wouldn't the rates have been cut already?"
-I am unable to tell you what goes on "behind the scenes" on Wall Street and inside the Federal Reserve. It's true that the CFR was founded by old man Rockefeller for the purposes of allowing control by the world's internationalists. CFR is an "extra-Constitutional" body with no authority to affect our government and policies.
"In terms of "Fast-track" treaty negotiation, are you referring to the fraud known as NAFTA?"
-NAFTA dates back quite some time ago, but the "Fast-Track" policies came about when our most recent Presidents told Congress that unless they were given exclusive power to make treaties the U.S. would get beat out by our competition. Last week I read that the Legislative branch is no longer allowing Bush the power.
"What is meant by declaration of war?"
-By Supreme Law of the Constitution, the President must make a case for war, the Congress must debate it and then either pass a Formal Declaration of the Congress, or decide not to declare war.
"The Congress voted for a resolution for the war in Iraq."
-That's nowhere allowed in the Constitution.
"How is that different than a Congressional declaration of war?"
-Only the Congressional Declaration is legal and valid...Anything short of one has no authority.
"Don't the multinational corporations want to extend the war as long as it will take them to built an embassy?"
-All I know for sure is that many of them are making a fortune as a result of the war.
I do believe that they control some of the media sources. However, then why are the media sources mostly against the Iraq War while CFR wants to continue it at least until they have an embassy built?
-That I can not answer.
Maybe you should debate Ron Paul with Chaim and tell him how you feel about Paul in an Ask JTF thread. Chaim doesn't consider Paul to be one of the better candidates and I'm not doubting Chaim on this issue. I challenge you to defend Ron Paul, to Chaim.
-I followed Rabbi Kahane, and then Chaim Ben Pesach, long before I ever heard of Congressman Paul. I respect Chaim's opinion of Paul, and have no interest in debating anyone about Paul's merits or lack thereof. In fact, Chaim has long been fully aware of my respect for Congressman Paul as a unwavering Constitutionalist whose reputation and background are unblemished. It wasn't too long ago that virtually all leaders and bureaucrats in this country shared the views of Paul and others like him, and they got their ideas from our very own George Washington, who in his farewell address warned America not to become entangled with foreign governments and foreign treaties, but to remain a sovereign bastion of freedom and liberty. Paul's writings and speeches are readily available online to everyone, and my opinions don't seem to matter very much to our forum members.
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RationalThought110 asks me:
"So then you consider real conservatives to all be "paleoconservatives", the term that Pat Buchanan likes?"
-I consider real conservatives to be people dedicated to preserving and upholding The Constitution of the United States of America.
"For Republicans in name only, the term RINO is used."
-I find such tags unnecessary and unhelpful.
"Of people who get called a "neocon", I think the term that's truly meant for them is "globalist." Ronald Reagan a "neocon", in the sense that he was once a Democrat who switched the Republican party. Most CFR globalists are not "neocons" in that sense.
-"Internationalist" or "Globalist"; take your pick. One traitor is as good as another. "Neo-con" is about as meaningless a term as is "Post-Zionist" -- Traitors are traitors and no amount of "neologisms" can change that fact.
"Before income taxes existed, how did branches of government obtain funding for their budgets?"
-Read the original Constitution and you will find the answer.
"In contrast to the Senate, the House of Representatives tends to be a better representation and a better reflection of their candidates. There are a good number of Congressional Reps in the GOP who are real conservatives and disagree with Bush on many issues."
-Perhaps. Or maybe they're just sociopathic scoundrels who will do and say anything to maintain wealth and power. They've been part of the most corrupt government in the history of the Republic.
"I've discussed the issue of a central bank with someone else on the forum. There is speculation that the Federal Reserve is controlled by the people who started CFR and who are in charge of CFR. However, the Wall St. banks are connected with CFR and for more than a month, Wall St. supposedly has wanted the Federal Reserve interest rates to be cut. However, the FED has not yet cut interest rates. So if the FED is controlled by CFR, wouldn't the rates have been cut already?"
-I am unable to tell you what goes on "behind the scenes" on Wall Street and inside the Federal Reserve. It's true that the CFR was founded by old man Rockefeller for the purposes of allowing control by the world's internationalists. CFR is an "extra-Constitutional" body with no authority to affect our government and policies.
"In terms of "Fast-track" treaty negotiation, are you referring to the fraud known as NAFTA?"
-NAFTA dates back quite some time ago, but the "Fast-Track" policies came about when our most recent Presidents told Congress that unless they were given exclusive power to make treaties the U.S. would get beat out by our competition. Last week I read that the Legislative branch is no longer allowing Bush the power.
"What is meant by declaration of war?"
-By Supreme Law of the Constitution, the President must make a case for war, the Congress must debate it and then either pass a Formal Declaration of the Congress, or decide not to declare war.
"The Congress voted for a resolution for the war in Iraq."
-That's nowhere allowed in the Constitution.
"How is that different than a Congressional declaration of war?"
-Only the Congressional Declaration is legal and valid...Anything short of one has no authority.
"Don't the multinational corporations want to extend the war as long as it will take them to built an embassy?"
-All I know for sure is that many of them are making a fortune as a result of the war.
I do believe that they control some of the media sources. However, then why are the media sources mostly against the Iraq War while CFR wants to continue it at least until they have an embassy built?
-That I can not answer.
Maybe you should debate Ron Paul with Chaim and tell him how you feel about Paul in an Ask JTF thread. Chaim doesn't consider Paul to be one of the better candidates and I'm not doubting Chaim on this issue. I challenge you to defend Ron Paul, to Chaim.
-I followed Rabbi Kahane, and then Chaim Ben Pesach, long before I ever heard of Congressman Paul. I respect Chaim's opinion of Paul, and have no interest in debating anyone about Paul's merits or lack thereof. In fact, Chaim has long been fully aware of my respect for Congressman Paul as a unwavering Constitutionalist whose reputation and background are unblemished. It wasn't too long ago that virtually all leaders and bureaucrats in this country shared the views of Paul and others like him, and they got their ideas from our very own George Washington, who in his farewell address warned America not to become entangled with foreign governments and foreign treaties, but to remain a sovereign bastion of freedom and liberty. Paul's writings and speeches are readily available online to everyone, and my opinions don't seem to matter very much to our forum members.
For the most part, you tend to be excellent at analyzing things so I'd be shocked if most people on this forum didn't respect what you had to say. I think they should check out your posts more often.
I think Chaim agrees with the constitution and agrees with George Washington's statements.
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Paul is an extremist. Riding on anti-War climate, he takes the extreme position that there are no legitimate enemies in the middle-east, and that America should have no involvement there whatsoever. I am against the Iraq War, and I've always been against the Iraq war, but I don't take that extreme position.
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Re: "...I'd be shocked if most people on this forum didn't respect what you had to say..."
Please choose one:
(a) 110 V
(b) 220 V
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Paul is an extremist. Riding on anti-War climate, he takes the extreme position that there are no legitimate enemies in the middle-east, and that America should have no involvement there whatsoever. I am against the Iraq War, and I've always been against the Iraq war, but I don't take that extreme position.
Actually, Paul did say recently that he considers Saudia Arabia to be a threat, rather than an "ally."
At the same time, he tries to continuously defend the policies of Iran. He also claims that they're at least 10 years away from a nuclear weapon. This assessment is wrong and they're much closer than Iraq to having nuclear weapons.
He doesn't seem to acknowledge that Iran has threatened both the US and Israel. I don't expect Olmert to allow Israel's military to do anything. Of course, any sort of military action isn't a first choice option but it's basically impossible to have a diplomacy with them. Even so-called Iranian experts, who once lived in Iran and who prefer that there isn't any kind of military action, admit that the Iranian government is crazy and that it isn't possible to have a diplomacy with them and so-called attempts to negotiate with them, only embolden them.
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Re: "...I'd be shocked if most people on this forum didn't respect what you had to say..."
Please choose one:
(a) 110 V
(b) 220 V
Good one
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From what I hear, Saudi Arabia is a more secular regime in Saddam Hussein fashion, and less of a religious fundamentalist regime. He's got things backwards. Iran is the real threat. They are a theocracy.
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Saudi is just as bad as Iran, Iran is pretty screwy but at the very least Jews can live there. In Saudi, that is not the case. I would hope Israel chooses a better leader than Olmert and does take out Iran before it is too late though.
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if ron paul is a nazi what makes the CFR member then?? :o Because The United States Was Over Controlled By CFR for the Past 57 years and during that time they were breaking the Constitution and promising better things to come but couldn't accomplish it. I can say that i see bush has a red 666 on his forehead. The CFR is a bit corrupted they care about supporters when they go into the president they care about the highest class then the people who are in the low class or the middle class. ??? Ron Paul is not even CFR member britain supports Ron Paul :-X thats all i have to say
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He is a racist? :D
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i think ron paul is more american and makes sense then any other people who are running for president. i mean why do we have to trust CFR standards when the CFR is policing the world even some countries believe that the US will fall into one world nation. i wouldn't vote for barack obama or hillary or rudy guiliani or any of those CFR members because of the fact they want to keep the US boarders open to immigrants which has been a major problem to the US. ???(question:what does this mean) answer: it means that the more we vote for CFR members the more the USA will be more in debt and its been going down since the 1913 because of the federal reserve act. i would say vote for Ron paul becuase before 1913 there was no debt in america.I will not vote for the CFR members because of the fear that if we vote for a CFR member this year US will fall into one world nation EX- Communist nation.
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Thankfully, Ron Paulistinian has absolutely no chance of winning the Republican nomination or of becoming President.
But you go ahead and vote for the Jew hating, isolationist, dhimmi [censored].
And after you're done wasting your vote, take some time to learn how to spell 'border', and putting together a literate, comprehensible sentence.
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Ok have your choice liberty or death CFR been lying to us about 20 years. we can continue the liberty or we can turn this country into a Communist country you choose. you guys didn't come here just because there is no freedom you guys came because of freedom, peace, and tranquility. :::D Hope i move to a different country before that happens.
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i think ron paul is more american and makes sense then any other people who are running for president. i mean why do we have to trust CFR standards when the CFR is policing the world even some countries believe that the US will fall into one world nation. i wouldn't vote for barack obama or hillary or rudy guiliani or any of those CFR members because of the fact they want to keep the US boarders open to immigrants which has been a major problem to the US. ???(question:what does this mean) answer: it means that the more we vote for CFR members the more the USA will be more in debt and its been going down since the 1913 because of the federal reserve act. i would say vote for Ron paul becuase before 1913 there was no debt in america.I will not vote for the CFR members because of the fear that if we vote for a CFR member this year US will fall into one world nation EX- Communist nation.
Fred Thompson was and probably still is a CFR member.
Other than Ron Paul, how do you know that the rest of the GOP candidates are CFR members?
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CFR has been here for about what 57 years heres the list of the Candidates who are in the the presidential election
Fred Thompson
Rudy Giuliani
John McCain
Mitt Romney
Jim Gilmore
Newt Gingrich
Hillary Clinton
Barack Obama
John Edwards
Joe Biden
Chris Dodd
Bill Richardson
i can tell you even Britain supports Ron Paul
here is the website to tell you about CFR members and a video
http://www.thought-criminal.org/2007/08/15/cfr-stacks-the-deck-with-both-democrat-and-republican-presidential-candidates
mostly neo-cons like Hiliary, Barack Obama, Rudy Guliani, and all of the CFR want to create a one world government. as i believe in the constitution(if you read the constitution) i don't think changing democracy *like Barack Obama said* into a bus of your dreams*like communism or a dictatorship*. like USA today they want this war over. As a lot of people said that this is the same predicament like Vietnam. Saddam Hussein is dead, a lot of GI's doesn't know how to be the police. so since Saddam is dead alot of people are rioting because they know they are not governed anymore. Bush is exactly a CFR member But voting for Al Gore would have been worse. I think voting for Rudy Guliani is far more worse, he is like Bush on steroids.We are also seeing radical Christian and radical Muslim. Radical Christians want to see all Muslims dead, well you can guess that radical Muslims want to see. Sorry about the paragraphs because i don't write normal on forums but i real life i do correct myself. CFR NonCFR
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I can say that i see bush has a red 666 on his forehead.
Does he have one on his hand as well?? 8;)
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I can say that i see bush has a red 666 on his forehead.
Does he have one on his hand as well?? 8;)
we'll we can all say that he is evil and needs to be condemned. he has the intellegence of a manatee and lets Dick Cheney rule the country
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CFR has been here for about what 57 years heres the list of the Candidates who are in the the presidential election
Fred Thompson
Rudy Giuliani
John McCain
Mitt Romney
Jim Gilmore
Newt Gingrich
Hillary Clinton
Barack Obama
John Edwards
Joe Biden
Chris Dodd
Bill Richardson
i can tell you even Britain supports Ron Paul
here is the website to tell you about CFR members and a video
http://www.thought-criminal.org/2007/08/15/cfr-stacks-the-deck-with-both-democrat-and-republican-presidential-candidates
mostly neo-cons like Hiliary, Barack Obama, Rudy Guliani, and all of the CFR want to create a one world government. as i believe in the constitution(if you read the constitution) i don't think changing democracy *like Barack Obama said* into a bus of your dreams*like communism or a dictatorship*. like USA today they want this war over. As a lot of people said that this is the same predicament like Vietnam. Saddam Hussein is dead, a lot of GI's doesn't know how to be the police. so since Saddam is dead alot of people are rioting because they know they are not governed anymore. Bush is exactly a CFR member But voting for Al Gore would have been worse. I think voting for Rudy Guliani is far more worse, he is like Bush on steroids.We are also seeing radical Christian and radical Muslim. Radical Christians want to see all Muslims dead, well you can guess that radical Muslims want to see. Sorry about the paragraphs because i don't write normal on forums but i real life i do correct myself. CFR NonCFR
I hate to tell you this, but this forum is real life.
Real people read your posts and you should take the time to review what you post here.
Taking a few minutes to correct the spelling and grammatical errors replete in your posts might prevent you from coming off as a babbling, illiterate idiot.
On second thought, considering the content of your posts, that's not really going to help.
Besides, I'm sure you don't 'correct yourself' or write any better in 'real life'.
Has anyone else noticed the assortment of idiots and Jew hating scumbags that gravitate towards Ron Paulistinian ?
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Ron Paul had the highest poll ratings last night. I am really considering voting for him, he speaks well.
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I wonder why this group is supporting ron? ;)
http://muslimsvoteronpaul.com/
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They also have Arabs for paul
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CFR has been here for about what 57 years heres the list of the Candidates who are in the the presidential election
Fred Thompson
Rudy Giuliani
John McCain
Mitt Romney
Jim Gilmore
Newt Gingrich
Hillary Clinton
Barack Obama
John Edwards
Joe Biden
Chris Dodd
Bill Richardson
i can tell you even Britain supports Ron Paul
here is the website to tell you about CFR members and a video
http://www.thought-criminal.org/2007/08/15/cfr-stacks-the-deck-with-both-democrat-and-republican-presidential-candidates
mostly neo-cons like Hiliary, Barack Obama, Rudy Guliani, and all of the CFR want to create a one world government. as i believe in the constitution(if you read the constitution) i don't think changing democracy *like Barack Obama said* into a bus of your dreams*like communism or a dictatorship*. like USA today they want this war over. As a lot of people said that this is the same predicament like Vietnam. Saddam Hussein is dead, a lot of GI's doesn't know how to be the police. so since Saddam is dead alot of people are rioting because they know they are not governed anymore. Bush is exactly a CFR member But voting for Al Gore would have been worse. I think voting for Rudy Guliani is far more worse, he is like Bush on steroids.We are also seeing radical Christian and radical Muslim. Radical Christians want to see all Muslims dead, well you can guess that radical Muslims want to see. Sorry about the paragraphs because i don't write normal on forums but i real life i do correct myself. CFR NonCFR
Every Democrat is on that list except for Kucinich
On the GOP side, neither Hunter nor Tancredo are part of CFR. Tancredo has had fights with the White House.
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we'll we can all say that he is evil and needs to be condemned. he has the intellegence of a manatee and lets Dick Cheney rule the country
That's not true. Condi Rice has more influence than Cheney has.