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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: joshua on November 19, 2010, 07:51:01 AM
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A ban on circumcision in San Francisco even on religious grounds:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/19/male.circumcision.sf/index.html?hpt=C1
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This is crazy. They talk about the trauma of circumcision. Mine was so traumatic that before I understood what circumcision was I wondered if I had been given a Bris since my father was very non observant. In other words I had no idea that I had been circumsized until it was spelled out exactlly what circumcision was. Not to be gross or anything but a woman from a European nation where circumcision is uncommon asked me if it was painful. I laughed and said that I was sure that it was but I don't remember it. I once watched a PBS special where they kept referring to it as genital mutilation and putting it in the same class as clitorectomy. Gay guys were sitting around in a support group whining about their "loss".
The only benefit of this is it will make Jew haters happy and it will increase business for urologists.
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SF is so full of it that while they whine-whine-whine about impoverished people and "liberal rights", etc, they actually deal with their homeless problem by paying the homeless people to get on a bus to Los Angeles, and from there they are not to return!
No sitting on sidewalks? Its not hard to imagine this law targets the homeless as well.
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It's truly San Fransicko
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Doesn't this violate religious freedom?
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I disagree with the outright ban, but: Why can't you cut it off later?
Well, I make use of those great inventions: soap, indoor plumbing and heated water.
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Part of the covenant with G-d is to circumcise males eight days after birth. I don't think this initiative will translate into actual law, but I'm seeing how crazy the left is for sure.
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Part of the covenant with G-d is to circumcise males eight days after birth. I don't think this initiative will translate into actual law, but I'm seeing how crazy the left is for sure.
If this initative became actual law, San Francisco would all but officially become a modern day Sodom and Gomorrah.
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Part of the covenant with G-d is to circumcise males eight days after birth. I don't think this initiative will translate into actual law, but I'm seeing how crazy the left is for sure.
Remember that Chanukah is in a couple of weeks.
Remember that the evil Hellenist greeks attempted to outlaw Circumcision also... Ancient greece is history now and the Jewish people continue to practice Circumcision.
May those who attempt to ban this important ritual suffer for their hatred of the Jewish people.
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Jews shouldn't live in san Francisco. Either way they can go to different town to do it. Screw Sf.
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Oh. In that case, numb it and cut it.
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This is obviously a deliberately anti-Semitic law, but for the life of me I have never understood why Gentiles should be circumcised.
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It is an attempt to place observant Jews under arrest for following the torah.
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It is an attempt to place observant Jews under arrest for following the torah.
Observant Jews shouldn't live in San Francisco...they should live in Israel.
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Being circumsized lowers your chances of getting certain diseases and cancers related to the male genitalia. I can't think of any reason other than anti-semitism for SF doing this. Let them throw a moyil(hope I spelled that correctly) in jail for doing his job. Seeing SF police throwing Jews in jail for practicing their faith might wake up some liberal Jews out of their stupor.
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Let them throw a moyil(hope I spelled that correctly) in jail for doing his job.
Mohel.
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I disagree with the outright ban, but: Why can't you cut it off later?
Well, I make use of those great inventions: soap, indoor plumbing and heated water.
i do not think that is good idea. it will hurt a lot. ask muslim teens.
anyway i think this hole thing is because urologists lobbied to the mayor because they want to make more money, you know, [censored] and all that.
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The title of this thread is misleading. This is the real title and subject of the article: 'Intactivists' to San Francisco: Ban circumcision. So some activists call for ban on circumcision. Big deal. There is no ban and not going to be any ban.
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This is the same San Fagsisco that has homosexuals and every other disgusting display run a muck and out in the public
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Also one thing must be cleared- the homologous male equivalent for a so called "female circumcision" would be chopping off the glans penis along with the foreskin.
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Being circumsized lowers your chances of getting certain diseases and cancers related to the male genitalia. I can't think of any reason other than anti-semitism for SF doing this. Let them throw a moyil(hope I spelled that correctly) in jail for doing his job. Seeing SF police throwing Jews in jail for practicing their faith might wake up some liberal Jews out of their stupor.
Being that I am not Jewish, I was snipped in the investment too. So was my brother, it does keep males from having lesser chance of getting any diseases. And going back to this article.. Zelhar is right however, just the very thought they would actually try to put this into law in a city where every sort of demonic behavior is carried out just goes to show their intent. San Fagsisco is a disgusting deviant city.
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Didn't San Fransisco is where NAMBLA formed and set headquarters ? I wouldn't be surprised if there is overlap between the intactivist and the other sickos activists of San Sodomistsco.
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Didn't San Fransisco is where NAMBLA formed and set headquarters ? I wouldn't be surprised if there is overlap between the intactivist and the other sickos activists of San Sodomistsco.
Yes it is a very sick perverted city
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Being that I am not Jewish, I was snipped in the investment too. So was my brother, it does keep males from having lesser chance of getting any diseases. And going back to this article.. Zelhar is right however, just the very thought they would actually try to put this into law in a city where every sort of demonic behavior is carried out just goes to show their intent. San Fagsisco is a disgusting deviant city.
It only keeps you from "having diseases" and/or cancer if you are promiscuous and have sex with people who have HPV. The idea that circumcision is needed for all males as a matter of health is just myth.
Like I said before, I have not seen a good reason why non-Jewish boys should be circumcised as a matter of routine.
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is part of our commitment to God. We believe we do it in a very humane, loving, supportive way," said Blake, who performs religious and non-religious circumcisions for boys, as well as naming ceremonies for girls. "There are certainly many places in the world where a ban on circumcision is one of the prongs of an anti-Semitic movement -- anti-Jewish and also anti-Muslim."
:::D
Anti-Muslim, she added, because she knows, that this argument has more weight in a leftist society, where Anti-zionism and mocking the God of the Bible seems to be a part of good manners.
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This is a member of Jewish voices for peace blog,he wants his foreskin back
http://matthewtaylor.net/foreskinresources.htm
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This is obviously a deliberately anti-Semitic law, but for the life of me I have never understood why Gentiles should be circumcised.
Hygeine
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This is obviously a deliberately anti-Semitic law, but for the life of me I have never understood why Gentiles should be circumcised.
I don't either. I think it should only be allowed for religious people like Jews. To them it's a sign of the covenant, to the rest of the people why change the body that G-d created for a child as long as its healthy. If I ever had a son I wouldn't do that to them or put them through that pain for cosmetic reasons.
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This is obviously a deliberately anti-Semitic law, but for the life of me I have never understood why Gentiles should be circumcised.
I don't either. I think it should only be allowed for religious people like Jews. To them it's a sign of the covenant, to the rest of the people why change the body that G-d created for a child as long as its healthy. If I ever had a son I wouldn't do that to them or put them through that pain for cosmetic reasons.
I disagree, Rubystars.
If I had a son, I would have him circumcised.
Not for any cosmetic reason.
For health and hygiene reasons.
I just wanted to clarify that.
Not all non Jewish people that have their sons circumcised do it for cosmetic reasons.
Anyway, people should have the choice. That is what I think.
Is this still America or not? >:(
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You know this joke?
At the end of the tax year the Tax Office sent an Inspector to Audit the books of a Synagogue.
While he was checking the books he turned to the Rabbi and said 'I notice you buy a lot of candles, What do you do with the candle drippings?'
'Good question' noted the Rabbi.
'We save them up and send them back to the candle makers, and every now and then they send us a free box of candles.'
'Oh' replied the auditor, somewhat disappointed that his unusual question had a practical answer. But on he went, in his obnoxious way:
'What about all these bread-wafer purchases? What do you do with the crumbs?'
'Ah, yes' replied the Rabbi, realizing that the inspector was trying to trap him with an unanswerable question.
'We collect them and send them back to the manufacturers, and every now and then they send us a free box of bread wafers.'
'I see' replied the auditor, thinking hard about how he could fluster the know-it-all Rabbi.
'Well, Rabbi' he went on, 'what do you do with all the leftover foreskins from the circumcisions you perform?'
'Here, too, we do not waste' answered the Rabbi.
'What we do is save all the foreskins and send them to the Tax Office, And about once a year they send us a complete pr*ck.
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Bullcat the whole idea of cutting a piece of the human body off that's functional and non-diseased bothers me. If you did it though, you'd be doing it for the right reasons more than many since for you it wouldn't be done to a son just for cosmetic purposes.
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There really is no "hygienic" reason for circumcision. It's a myth. The foreskin is more likely to trap STD pathogens than a penis without a foreskin, but if people would abide by Scriptural standards of morality, that would be no issue.
Same with the cancer risk--penile cancer comes from HPV (the same virus that causes cervical and some kinds of oral cancers), not [censored].
The only reason circumcision should be allowed should be for Jews, because G-d commanded it in the Bible. There is no reason why Gentile boys should be.
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There really is no "hygienic" reason for circumcision. It's a myth. The foreskin is more likely to trap STD pathogens than a penis without a foreskin, but if people would abide by Scriptural standards of morality, that would be no issue.
Same with the cancer risk--penile cancer comes from HPV (the same virus that causes cervical and some kinds of oral cancers), not [censored].
The only reason circumcision should be allowed should be for Jews, because G-d commanded it in the Bible. There is no reason why Gentile boys should be.
It should be a choice for all parents of newborn sons.
You can't just say there is no reason why Gentile boys should be circumcised.
I think it is the more hygienic and healthy choice.
Do we not live in America anymore? What's up with that?
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So the big hygienic advantage is that I won't have to pull it back and wash it with soap and warm water.
Well, that's about as inconvenient as having to lift up my sack to clean under it. So why not cut off every infant boy's balls?
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_to_clean_your_penis
You know, I really hate foot odor. I think all infants should have their feet cut off. At least have their ten toes cut off. Toes really harbor germs. This way, when they're adults, they won't have to wash their toes because they've been chopped off.
You know, many people have really bad breath. Teeth harbor germs and boy, they really stink. I think every new-born should have their teeth removed. And when they're 7 or 8, they should have their second set of teeth removed. This way when they're adults they won't have to be inconvenience with having to floss and brush their teeth. Hey, no teeth, no stink.
You know, arm-pits really stink. I can't stand that sour smell. I think new-borns should have both arms removed. Just image, no more sour smell, no more arm-pit fungus. Hey, no more arm-pits.
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So the big hygienic advantage is that I won't have to pull it back and wash it with soap and warm water.
Well, that's about as inconvenient as having to lift up my sack to clean under it. So why not cut off every infant boy's balls?
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_to_clean_your_penis
You know, I really hate foot odor. I think all infants should have their feet cut off. At least have their ten toes cut off. Toes really harbor germs. This way, when they're adults, they won't have to wash their toes because they've been chopped off.
You know, many people have really bad breath. Teeth harbor germs and boy, they really stink. I think every new-born should have their teeth removed. And when they're 7 or 8, they should have their second set of teeth removed. This way when they're adults they won't have to be inconvenience with having to floss and brush their teeth. Hey, no teeth, no stink.
You know, arm-pits really stink. I can't stand that sour smell. I think new-borns should have both arms removed. Just image, no more sour smell, no more arm-pit fungus. Hey, no more arm-pits.
I just love your posts, AngryChineseKahanist.
I don't agree with you on this one, but you made your point!
:::D
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His post gave me this mental image of a baby with the skin of their arm pits cut out and replaced with skin grafts from their legs or something. :::D
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It doesn't hurt at all:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcIf6xRFPpw
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What is the meaning behind getting circumcised in the jewish religion?
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It should be a choice for all parents of newborn sons.
You can't just say there is no reason why Gentile boys should be circumcised.
I think it is the more hygienic and healthy choice.
Do we not live in America anymore? What's up with that?
Show me where I said that it shouldn't be a choice. I just gave my opinion, which is backed up by present urological science, that there is no physical (i.e. non-religious) reason to do it.
G-d did not command the Israelites to circumcise their sons on the eighth day for "health" reasons. It was purely as an outward sign of the Jews' calling and distinctness from all other nations. There was no deeper reason than that. G-d commanded the Jews to do it, that's reason enough, but it does not apply to Gentiles.
As stated earlier within the past 15-20 years the "hygienic" rationale has been pretty well debunked. It is about sexually transmitted diseases, not simple cleanliness. 99% of penile cancer is caused by STDs which attack the foreskin (allowing 1% for skin cancers caused by sun exposure in primitive cultures or idiopathic reasons). If a man already has HPV or is likely to become sexually active it would probably be wise for him to have his foreskin removed but if he does not come into contact with STD pathogens, theres's really no reason to do it at all.
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The way I see it, before soap and warm water was invented, men had all kinds of problems. So they decided to cut it off. Ouch. But I'm not against OTHER PEOPLE cutting their infant's thing off. Hey, cut the whole thing off. What do I care. Let the Jews do as they wish to their boys. The Jews aren't forcing everyone to cut their boys.
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What is the meaning behind getting circumcised in the jewish religion?
See my last post.
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It doesn't hurt at all:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcIf6xRFPpw
Of course it hurts. Do what you choose but a few minutes of pain vs a life of hygienic extra maintenance sounds like a good trade.
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Do what you choose but a few minutes of pain vs a life of hygienic extra maintenance sounds like a good trade.
Shouldn't it be the (Gentile) boy's choice though?
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Do what you choose but a few minutes of pain vs a life of hygienic extra maintenance sounds like a good trade.
Shouldn't it be the (Gentile) boy's choice though?
Parents make choices for their kids.
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This is a different kind of choice than what they wear, eat, etc. though.
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Do what you choose but a few minutes of pain vs a life of hygienic extra maintenance sounds like a good trade.
Shouldn't it be the (Gentile) boy's choice though?
No. Parent's make decisions for children all the time.
No child makes their own medical decisions.
Done in adulthood, it is a much bigger deal.
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This is a different kind of choice than what they wear, eat, etc. though.
Parents make medical decisions for children
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What is the meaning behind getting circumcised in the jewish religion?
Great question! It's a sign of the Jewish people's covenant with G-d.
"And G-d said unto Abraham: 'And as for thee, thou shalt keep My covenant, thou, and thy seed after thee throughout their generations. This is My covenant, which ye shall keep, between Me and you and thy seed after thee: every male among you shall be circumcised. And ye shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of a covenant betwixt Me and you. And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every male throughout your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any foreigner, that is not of thy seed." (Genesis 17:9-12)
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This is a different kind of choice than what they wear, eat, etc. though.
Are you arguing against a Jewish parent giving their son a Brit? I hope not...
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This is a different kind of choice than what they wear, eat, etc. though.
Are you arguing against a Jewish parent giving their son a Brit? I hope not...
I think he is talking about non Jews getting circumcised
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This is a different kind of choice than what they wear, eat, etc. though.
Are you arguing against a Jewish parent giving their son a Brit? I hope not...
I think he is talking about non Jews getting circumcised
I don't know about that. There is no imperative for the non-Jew to get it. And I agree that the reasons the Jews do it is not hygienic... As all commandments in the Torah are given from Hashem, we only do them because we were commanded to do so...
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This is a different kind of choice than what they wear, eat, etc. though.
Are you arguing against a Jewish parent giving their son a Brit? I hope not...
If I follow his logic he seems to be saying non Jewish parents should not make the circumcision decision for kids.
I think he is talking about non Jews getting circumcised