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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Spiraling Leopard on April 05, 2011, 11:34:55 AM
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I am a suspect of defamatory speech/discrimination of things I have said in the Geert Wilders documentary.
I have to go to the police station for questioning and then the public prosecutor will have to decide if I will be prosecuted or not.
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What nation are you in?
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What nation are you in?
The Netherlands.
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I hope your hearing goes fine. Holland still has freedom of speech right ?
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I hope your hearing goes fine. Holland still has freedom of speech right ?
I'm not so sure.
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I suppose it's because you dared criticize Islam.
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Is there anything we can do to help you?
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Wow Europe is insane.Do you need money for a lawyer
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Don't you have the right to defend yourself and the public via speech?
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Keep us informed if you need help.
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:o :o :o :o :o :o
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Robert, please keep us updated as much as possible ( based on what's in your best interest from a legal standpoint ). I'm definitely concerned about this. You deserve the support of JTF and its members! Thanks for all your efforts! The leadership you provide certainly has made a positive difference!
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I hope everything will be ok for you!
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Keep us posted... G-d willing it won't amount to anything serious.
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This is very upsetting. Free speech is a hallmark of a free society. It is hard to believe that there are people living in countries where their freedoms are not protected. I cannot imagine what terrible charges would be leveled against me if my freedom of speech were curtailed.
I suggest getting a good lawyer and possibly think about moving out of the Netherlands...
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G-d Bless you Robert and may He protect during this time. We will all pray for you and do what we can to help out, please keep us posted. :'(
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Welcome to Eurabia.
Good luck, Robert, I will be praying.
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Definitely keep us updated. Let us know what we can do to help. I know Chaim has connections to great lawyers too if you need one.
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בס''ד
If there is anything we can do to help you, please let me know with a private message.
This is incredible. Muslim Nazis in Europe, America and Israel publicly advocate world conquest through terrorist genocide and nothing happens to them. But when a courageous, righteous, law-abiding citizen like Spiraling Leopard dares to expose Muslim terrorist activity, he is harassed by the Dutch authorities.
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This is sickening. What is the crime? What is the penalty? How many others are these Nazis rounding up like this?
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Robert I wish you strength. Stand firm and please don't let their stupid games affect your daily life. Monni and me will pray for you.
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Is there anything we can do to help you?
Nothing besides prayer I gues. But thank you.
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Wow Europe is insane.Do you need money for a lawyer
First I have to see if they go through on the case and if they do I will probably just go for some crappy pro deo lawyer. If you look at the Geert Wilders case, he has the best lawyer in the Netherlands and even he is having the hardest time getting him acquitted. I don't think a good or bad lawyer is going to make that much of a difference because eventually the judge(s) will have to decide and they can practically do whatever they want.
There is no justice in the judicial system. It is just a game of chess inbetween the rules of law and has nothing to do with justice.
Don't you have the right to defend yourself and the public via speech?
Apparently not when it comes to criticizing islam.
Thank you all for your kind words, it is very much appreciated. I spoke to the police officer who send me the letter yesterday, but he didn't really knew that much about the 'case' yet. He said someone filed a complaint upon things I have said in the documentary, and now I have to come for questioning. I don't know who filed the complaint and what the exact things are that are supposedly discriminatory; I will hopefully hear that monday when I go talk to the police.
I hope it all just ends up to nothing which might as well be, but it is sickening that I have to come for questioning altogether when rapists, loverboys, pimps and female slavetraders walk free.
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At least these people that are going against you will be in a warm place soon. I hope everything goes well for you man and will be thinking about you.
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I wonder if and when Geert becomes PM that he will put a stop to this. It would be an incredible statement throughout Europe, that Islam is no longer above free speech. My prayers are with you.
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Well, the hearing went pretty well. The officer did not try to put any stress on me or anything, he just asked his questions. Unfortunately he did not write down word by word what I said, but made his own version of it. Then at the end you get to review it to see if you go along with it, and then it's like: "What the hell, he re-worded everything I said to a watered down version".
You can make some adjustments, but after an hour sitting there you don't want to rewrite the entire thing.
I brought some pictures as well to illustrate my story a bit:
(http://sheikyermami.com/wp-content/uploads/imam-the-disgusting-ped-freak.jpg)
(http://www.hoax-slayer.com/images/mass-muslim-wedding-1.jpg)
(http://www.thoughts.com/Media/Photos3/VeeDubProductions/82658346_1281827172.jpg)
(http://www.thoughts.com/Media/Photos3/VeeDubProductions/2130536366_1281827180.jpg)
It will now take 5 weeks for them to make a decision whether I will be prosecuted or not.
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I'm sorry mate. I think I read about this somewhere. The book, if I'm remembering correctly, was titled "1984." perhaps my memory is foundering.
:)
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Are you sure the questioning wasn't recorded/filmed ? If they didn't bothered recording it, I would guess they don't take the accusation too seriously.
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Are you sure the questioning wasn't recorded/filmed ? If they didn't bothered recording it, I would guess they don't take the accusation too seriously.
I looked for hidden camera's, but found little places where they could be. I did record the conversation myself with my cellphone which I put in a sacket on my chest under my sweater. Unfortunately, it stops recording after one hour. I put it on before entering the police station, so I didn't get the full conversation.
I still have to listen to it.
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Wow im so sorry. Holland is such a fan is islam?
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I looked for hidden camera's, but found little places where they could be. I did record the conversation myself with my cellphone which I put in a sacket on my chest under my sweater. Unfortunately, it stops recording after one hour. I put it on before entering the police station, so I didn't get the full conversation.
I still have to listen to it.
The photos you provided seem to show muslims convicting themselves.Whats with Dutch Police can't they find something useful to do? they appear to be a bunch of slackers
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The entire situation is very sad... The system there sounds like they don't have much to keep them occupied... Five weeks for a decision ::) ... I could be wrong but it sounds to me like they are putting you on the hook for a few weeks to teach you a lesson... I think if they had anything substantial they would have charged you then and there... It seems like they are trying to make you uncomfortable enough to quiet down and avoid having to deal with them again... Did they ask you to sign the statement the investigator wrote up? The cellphone recording was a good idea however I might have been tempted to ask the investigator openly if I could record the conversation... If it came to their attention that you were recording the conversation and things were less then on the level with the questioning the reaction might not have been a good one.
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The entire situation is very sad... The system there sounds like they don't have much to keep them occupied... Five weeks for a decision ::) ... I could be wrong but it sounds to me like they are putting you on the hook for a few weeks to teach you a lesson... I think if they had anything substantial they would have charged you then and there... It seems like they are trying to make you uncomfortable enough to quiet down and avoid having to deal with them again... Did they ask you to sign the statement the investigator wrote up? The cellphone recording was a good idea however I might have been tempted to ask the investigator openly if I could record the conversation... If it came to their attention that you were recording the conversation and things were less then on the level with the questioning the reaction might not have been a good one.
Exactly
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I could be wrong but it sounds to me like they are putting you on the hook for a few weeks to teach you a lesson... I think if they had anything substantial they would have charged you then and there... It seems like they are trying to make you uncomfortable enough to quiet down and avoid having to deal with them again... Did they ask you to sign the statement the investigator wrote up?
This is what they are doing to Geert Wilders; they are trying to wear him out. But the officer who questioned me does not make the decision whether I will be prosecuted or not. I was also told it was a muslim who filed the complaint against me and that he does not wear those sleeping dresses for pregnant women.
I had to sign my testimony.
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This is what they are doing to Geert Wilders; they are trying to wear him out. But the officer who questioned me does not make the decision whether I will be prosecuted or not. I was also told it was a muslim who filed the complaint against me and that he does not wear those sleeping dresses for pregnant women.
I had to sign my testimony.
I can only say the Police in the Netherlands need to get a life
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Wow im so sorry. Holland is such a fan is islam?
Even more so. Why is the world such a fan of Islam?
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Wow im so sorry. Holland is such a fan is islam?
Quite a lot.
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I'm sorry.
I have not been able to keep up with JTF and what is happening to you.
CJD told me a little about it. I wanted you to know that I will include you in my prayers. May G-d protect and keep you safe.
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I'm sorry.
I have not been able to keep up with JTF and what is happening to you.
CJD told me a little about it. I wanted you to know that I will include you in my prayers. May G-d protect and keep you safe.
Thank you.
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Hat is the maximum penalty you can face? A fine or jail time?
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Hat is the maximum penalty you can face? A fine or jail time?
I don't know. I think Elisabeth Sabaditsch-Wolff could face jailtime for truth she has spoken about islam, so it is not impossible that they want to put me there as well.
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Im so sorry; We are here for you.
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I hope you'll be able to stay out of jail :(
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I hope you'll be able to stay out of jail :(
I can always try to find political asylum in America...
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I can always try to find political asylum in America...
True
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You have my support and prayers, Spiraling Leopard.
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You have my support and prayers, Spiraling Leopard.
Thank you.
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I can always try to find political asylum in America...
True. It's a shame you would have to go through a process to get here but an illegal Mexican or Arab terrorist that wants to come here just hops over the border.
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I'm very sorry to read all of this. I remember you in the film with your jacket at a rally. I dont know what you said in Dutch, but have you analyzed it for where they may try to 'get you?' This is a complete travesty. I mean look at what Muslims are doing in Sweden and no one, I mean no one is bothering them. If you need financial help, I am sure there are many of us who would be able to put together some money. Even if we each couldn't contribute a lot, there would be many of us more than willing to contribute.
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Maybe we should contact the Dutch embassy?
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I'm very sorry to read all of this. I remember you in the film with your jacket at a rally. I dont know what you said in Dutch, but have you analyzed it for where they may try to 'get you?' This is a complete travesty. I mean look at what Muslims are doing in Sweden and no one, I mean no one is bothering them. If you need financial help, I am sure there are many of us who would be able to put together some money. Even if we each couldn't contribute a lot, there would be many of us more than willing to contribute.
Thank you. First let's just see if there will be a case altogether. If they do I will have to make a big case out of it and contact all sorts of media to get the disgust of the people about this.
Maybe we should contact the Dutch embassy?
It would be nice to see people holding signs with "Free Robert!" on it, but I don't expect too much of a supposed case against me, yet.