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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Sarah on June 10, 2007, 10:07:07 AM
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I know this is an extremely touchy subject but i absolutely hate coming on to JTF and reading foul words and insults aimed at every evil on the face of this earth. Yes we have to condemn! But there are many ways of doing so, ways that are more intelligent and actually back up as an arguement. The level of negativity overpowers that of positiveness...........however there are many great things that can be discussed. It is probably one of the elements that scares people away from JTF.
It is also very unjewish i presume and i'm sure lubab would agree.
I am however not suggesting JTF act weakly towards its enemies......NO, ACT EVEN STRONGER BY TAKING DEBATES HEAD ON.
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I agree with you entirely Sarah.
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Thank you ftf.
The dark cloud needs to be lifted. Jtf has changed immensely in the past month.
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The increasing bad language on this forum, such as the abbreviated forms of the f word i've seen in many threads.
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Well, you haven't seen it from me, at least lately. I admittedly used the F word once or twice, Jeffguy called me on it, and I stopped. This was a couple months back.
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Well, you haven't seen it from me, at least lately. I admittedly used the F word once or twice, Jeffguy called me on it, and I stopped. This was a couple months back.
A few minutes ago you called me a "ho"...watch yourself, CF.
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Well, you haven't seen it from me, at least lately. I admittedly used the F word once or twice, Jeffguy called me on it, and I stopped. This was a couple months back.
A few minutes ago you called me a "ho"...watch yourself, CF.
And what position are you in to assert any authority? You call Chaim a criminal.
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I know this is an extremely touchy subject but i absolutely hate coming on to JTF and reading foul words and insults aimed at every evil on the face of this earth. Yes we have to condemn! But there are many ways of doing so, ways that are more intelligent and actually back up as an arguement. The level of negativity overpowers that of positiveness...........however there are many great things that can be discussed. It is probably one of the elements that scares people away from JTF.
It is also very unjewish i presume and i'm sure lubab would agree.
I am however not suggesting JTF act weakly towards its enemies......NO, ACT EVEN STRONGER BY TAKING DEBATES HEAD ON.
Sarah, could you speak to my customers and boss to see if you could arrange more free time for me to debate everything? ;)
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Chaim is no criminal, Chaim is a hero. Too bad there aren't more brave men like him.
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A few minutes ago you called me a "ho"...watch yourself, CF.
Hello Imerica, and good day.
I'll state for the record Imerica, that you have absolutely no authority to issue warnings on this board in principle or otherwise so watch and worry about YOURself.
And as importantly, try keeping your emotions and name-calling under control. Your diatribes against Dr. Alan Keyes and others are on record for the world to see.
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The increasing bad language on this forum, such as the abbreviated forms of the f word i've seen in many threads.
I'm guilty of that one.. .I'll put a gag over my potty mouth (thoughts)... Sorry.
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Well, you haven't seen it from me, at least lately. I admittedly used the F word once or twice, Jeffguy called me on it, and I stopped. This was a couple months back.
A few minutes ago you called me a "ho"...watch yourself, CF.
And what position are you in to assert any authority? You call Chaim a criminal.
How is that not true? Honestly. He WAS a criminal. He no longer is.
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A few minutes ago you called me a "ho"...watch yourself, CF.
Hello Imerica, and good day.
I'll state for the record Imerica, that you have absolutely no authority to issue warnings on this board in principle or otherwise so watch and worry about YOURself.
And as importantly, try keeping your emotions and name-calling under control. Your diatribes against Dr. Alan Keyes and others are on record for the world to see.
I did nothing but speak the truth about Chaim's time in jail. Its not something I made up. I haven't mentioned Alan Keyes in about a month...what are YOU talking about? I haven't called anyone here anything that they didn't fit. There are racists here. Not everyone here is but I've witnessed postings by racists. That's not falsely calling someone what they aren't. But I won't be called a 'street walker'. Sorry.
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I haven't mentioned Alan Keyes in about a month...what are YOU talking about?
It doesn't matter how long it's been, the record stands. You have no moral or actual authority to issue warnings on any user here, particularly one like ChaimFan. Your record of insults, and aspersions leaves you defenseless in this respect.
I haven't called anyone here anything that they didn't fit.
Appealing to an "I'm right and your wrong" defense may work with your children, or individuals with negative IQ's, but it doesn't hold water here. You feel that your name-calling is appropriate, and I'm certain that ChaimFan feels his is as well. The solution is to stop the name calling.
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Thank you ftf.
The dark cloud needs to be lifted. Jtf has changed immensely in the past month.
Amen!
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I agree with you 100% Sarah. Where have you been?
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How is that not true? Honestly. He WAS a criminal. He no longer is.
Well, I have news for you, dyke, Chaim never was a criminal, which is more than you can say of your g-ds Malcolm X and Fartin' Lucifer Queen, who not only directly called for riots and the killing of whites (especially the former), but plainly and simply broke the law in myriad other ways, such as using the white lunch lines, sitting in the wrong parts of the bus, holding plainly illegal demonstrations and road-blockings, etc.
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He was a criminal like I am an Imam. He is a hero who was unfairly imprisoned while while African Monsters prowl the streets and are awarded medals by the police dept and the NY nazi times. he was imprisoned while this foolish country lets Muslim beasts come in unchecked. If you want to see criminals visit your local housing project.
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I haven't mentioned Alan Keyes in about a month...what are YOU talking about?
It doesn't matter how long it's been, the record stands. You have no moral or actual authority to issue warnings on any user here, particularly one like ChaimFan. Your record of insults, and aspersions leaves you defenseless in this respect.
I haven't called anyone here anything that they didn't fit.
Appealing to an "I'm right and your wrong" defense may work with your children, or individuals with negative IQ's, but it doesn't hold water here. You feel that your name-calling is appropriate, and I'm certain that ChaimFan feels his is as well. The solution is to stop the name calling.
Just because I'm not kow-tow'ing to the ever loving Alan Keyes' arguments, I'm not moral? Great, now he's (Keyes) has been appointed Lord of all. ::) I don't have to agree with anything ANYONE says, just as I don't expect anyone to agree with what I'M saying. Its a free country and the freedom of speech and THOUGHT is on our side.
And I'm telling the truth. There are racists here on this site... not everyone represented here are but CF, and some others are indeed racists. Calling blacks monkeys, apes, miggers, animals, and other 'racist names' only makes people who use those words look RACIST. I've owned up to the fact that I haven't been all shiny and clean where my potty thoughts are concerned. I've called a couple of people bad names after I've been insulted and became defensive. I'm guilty of that but it doesn't mean that I'm going to sit idly by and let someone call me out of my name just because I disagree with them.
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Hello Imerica, and good day to you.
As is usually the case with you, your own emotional volatility causes you to read things that aren't there. I never stated you were immoral, I only stated that the record of insults on your part leaves you with no moral authority to reprimand others for their invective. What's more, you have no actual power on this board to warn anyone, so why do it?
I don't have to agree with anything ANYONE says, just as I don't expect anyone to agree with what I'M saying. Its a free country
Agreed Imerica, and no one asked you to agree with me, Keyes, or anyone else. I simply stated that your demand for respect on this board is ridiculous in the context of your recorded insults of those you disagree with. If you can't take it, don't dish it out. Moreover trying to defend that hypocrisy with "Well I was right, but they were wrong" is downright laughable, and I'm shocked you'd attempt to pass that nonsense off as an argument on this forum.
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Hello Imerica, and good day to you.
As is usually the case with you, your own emotional volatility causes you to read things that aren't there. I never stated you were immoral, I only stated that the record of insults on your part leaves you with no moral authority to reprimand others for their invective. What's more, you have no actual power on this board to warn anyone, so why do it?
I don't have to agree with anything ANYONE says, just as I don't expect anyone to agree with what I'M saying. Its a free country
Agreed Imerica, and no one asked you to agree with me, Keyes, or anyone else. I simply stated that your demand for respect on this board is ridiculous in the context of your recorded insults of those you disagree with. If you can't take it, don't dish it out. Moreover trying to defend that hypocrisy with "Well I was right, but they were wrong" is downright laughable, and I'm shocked you'd attempt to pass that nonsense off as an argument on this forum.
When did I say "Well, I was right, but they were wrong."? Never. However I'll offer that people insisting that I'm a crackwhore and other things not true about myself ARE wrong. Dannycookie is right that I'm annoying at times. But CF is wrong insisting that I'm a 'ho', 'slut' and some others have called me bad names also. MOst of the name calling came after I disagreed with them without calling them names.
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When did I say "Well, I was right, but they were wrong."?
Hello Imerica,
You effectively stated this when you wrote: "I haven't called anyone here anything that they didn't fit." after complaining about name calling. In other words "you're right, but they're wrong". As I've stated numerous times in this thread, YOU have a long record of unwarranted insults at folks you disagree with, and that leaves you with no moral authority to complain about someone else hurling unwarranted insults at you. Get it now?
However I'll offer that people insisting that I'm a crackwhore and other things not true about myself ARE wrong. Dannycookie is right that I'm annoying at times. But CF is wrong insisting that I'm a 'ho', 'slut' and some others have called me bad names also.
I believe name calling is wrong in almost every circumstance unless a person makes a palpable attack on another. I submit that your complaints would be far more effective if you'd learn how to keep your emotions in check.
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Hello Until Shiloh Comes and good day to you!
I like how you start all your posts with a greeting!
I agree with you 100%.
I believe I have been on the receiving end of some of Imerica's insults - while only engaging her in discussion.
While you are correct - I think you are just wasting your breath.
I have news for Imerica - deep down in side we are all prejudice against something or some group. Including her. She may just sugarcoat her prejudices for us and the world.
I'm only assuming but I believe Imerica has negative feelings toward JTF - from things she has posted to me.
Engaging in discussion might allow people to change their views.
Name calling certainly won't.
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When did I say "Well, I was right, but they were wrong."?
Hello Imerica,
You effectively stated this when you wrote: "I haven't called anyone here anything that they didn't fit." after complaining about name calling. In other words "you're right, but they're wrong". As I've stated numerous times in this thread, YOU have a long record of unwarranted insults at folks you disagree with, and that leaves you with no moral authority to complain about someone else hurling unwarranted insults at you. Get it now?
However I'll offer that people insisting that I'm a crackwhore and other things not true about myself ARE wrong. Dannycookie is right that I'm annoying at times. But CF is wrong insisting that I'm a 'ho', 'slut' and some others have called me bad names also.
I believe name calling is wrong in almost every circumstance unless a person makes a palpable attack on another. I submit that your complaints would be far more effective if you'd learn how to keep your emotions in check.
So I should keep MY emotions in check but those who call me horrible names should just keep doing it? Look, I don't know how else to act when I'm being called a crackwhore and other names that don't describe me at all. Perhaps I should just say "Yes Massah...I reckon I am what you say I am..." ::)
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So I should keep MY emotions in check but those who call me horrible names should just keep doing it?
Hello again Imerica,
Actually madam, you struck on an important concept called maturity. The day you can master your own emotions, and not allow a single person the power to dictate how you act is something you should strive for -- it's empowering. I don't appreciate, however, individuals who believe they have the right to do something that others don't, and based on you history that certainly seems to be the case. You've hurled insults since your youtube days so why complain now? You have almost no legs to stand on in this regard.
As far as this board goes when someone levels an attack on you here you can appeal to the moderators, the administrators, or even me, and we'll look into it.
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I'm only assuming but I believe Imerica has negative feelings toward JTF - from things she has posted to me.
You don't say....You don't say.... ::)
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If we had more people like Chaim Ben Pesach, America, Israel and the rest of the world would be a much better world. He is a true hero.
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I'm only assuming but I believe Imerica has negative feelings toward JTF - from things she has posted to me.
You don't say....You don't say.... ::)
I admit that was silly ;D
What was I thinking ???
I guess that I was saying Imerica has her own prejudices.
She will just never admit that that is what they are.
In her mind she has a right to them and we do not.
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I'm only assuming but I believe Imerica has negative feelings toward JTF - from things she has posted to me.
You don't say....You don't say.... ::)
I always have had negative feelings toward JTF. That's no secret. I was asked to to come here to ask Chaim questions by some forum members here who were impatient that I wasn't responding fast enough. They knew my stance on JTF and Chaim...and unfortunately I knew that it was only a rouse to get me here so that I could be jumped on and mentioned on the show. I think they were waiting on Chaim to read me and got what they wanted. A nice laugh and "ummm-hmmm" for my troubles. My fault.
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I'm only assuming but I believe Imerica has negative feelings toward JTF - from things she has posted to me.
You don't say....You don't say.... ::)
I admit that was silly ;D
What was I thinking ???
I guess that I was saying Imerica has her own prejudices.
She will just never admit that that is what they are.
In her mind she has a right to them and we do not.
I don't sit up and prejudge white people because I know some who are good to me and my family. I don't sit up and prejudge Jewish people because I know some who are good to me. Just because some of you rub me the wrong way dosen't mean that the rest of the people with Jewish affiliation are like you. And if I have ANY prejudices at all I've mentioned that they are in my own community and in the communities that have people who are lazy and have a 'do nothing' attitude. This isn't a cultural assumption, like some of you make, but a social observance.
You have a right to present facts. No one is saying that you don't. But on the other hand, I have a right to disagree with whatever you say, just like you have a right to disagree with what I say. For instance, the links on MLK and his life (on your side, which I disagree with)...and my links on where ebonics came from (Negro spirituals...which was totally refuted here.) Its give and take. Agree to disagree.
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Erica, there is nothing noble or wholesome about your pweshus Negro sorcery chants, er, "spirtuals". Yeah, yeah, poor oppressed slaves huddling around the fire reciting their African witch-doctor incantations and spells with a few plagiarized Christianese words thrown in to tug at the heartstrings of whitey. ::) Nobody here gives a crap about your ancestors, Erica. Do blacks care about the ancestors of today's Jews who were burned alive in the ovens or shot by the tens of thousands and thrown over cliffs?
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There are racists here on this site... not everyone represented here are but CF, and some others are indeed racists.
You don't know crap about me, crackheaded tramp. If you are really interested in racists, here's an idea: look in the mirror.
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There are racists here on this site... not everyone represented here are but CF, and some others are indeed racists.
You don't know crap about me, crackheaded tramp. If you are really interested in racists, here's an idea: look in the mirror.
(don't mean to parapharse again..but let me just criticize the above post. Imerica before only wrote that she doesn't judge all whites or all Jews or all whatevers because not all are evil etc etc etc...politely...self-righteously, yes..she is being self-righteous...She's not screaming and ranting and yelling and eating bananas and throwing feces...Is she right is she wrong? whatever...She inferred you were a racist and/or an extremist...but didn't call you racist pig and an extremist shmuck...you retorted by simply calling her a crackhead tramp...fine..if that's the way you argue wtih people..but, it doesn't win the argument...makes you look worse or just as bad...especially since she's not pulling off a Muslim nazi rant that Mr. Abu Abdul Mohammed Jihad Jihad bin Akbar Ibrahim Abu Mazzan Arafat would be doing on this forum...SHe is obviously false in what she is saying, but a lay person who might be a guest here might think she makes true sense and you to be a senseless fool...so that's my two cents.)
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There shouldn't be people like her on this forum in the first place. Their kind would never let us criticize on their forum. CF is doing a good job with his insulting. If they can't take the heat then leave. Chaim said that they should be welcomed so that we could practice debating them. I don't agree with that.
Norm, if you feel that way, JTF will never become a mass movement..but only a little fringe movement with a little buzz.
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Erica, there is nothing noble or wholesome about your pweshus Negro sorcery chants, er, "spirtuals". Yeah, yeah, poor oppressed slaves huddling around the fire reciting their African witch-doctor incantations and spells with a few plagiarized Christianese words thrown in to tug at the heartstrings of whitey. ::) Nobody here gives a crap about your ancestors, Erica. Do blacks care about the ancestors of today's Jews who were burned alive in the ovens or shot by the tens of thousands and thrown over cliffs?
I care and when its time to observe what happened during the holocaust, my children care also. I wish it didn't happen.
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JTF doesn't need Blacks criticizing it when they're part of the problem. That's all I'm saying.
Norm, to correct you, Blacks are not part of the problem. Lazy, gangster like, anti-semetic, jealous people are the problem...
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Norm, to correct you, Blacks are not part of the problem. Lazy, gangster like, anti-semetic, jealous people are the problem...
If Blacks aren't the problem then why does JTF want to encourage them to leave?
Because a lot of them are: "Lazy, gangster like, anti-semetic, jealous people"
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JTF doesn't need Blacks criticizing it when they're part of the problem. That's all I'm saying.
JTF should have people who criticize it even if that person is part of the problem...if we learn how to argue PROPERLY against popular beliefs which are wrong and show it on the forum, then we will be able to get our message out much much better and convince more of the masses.
I say, let them free, let them free..
for the trolls who are constantly bad mouthing and saying, "israle should die...and america shoudl die and the muslims will win!", we get chaimfan to tell them off, and then remove them from the forum.
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Norm, to correct you, Blacks are not part of the problem. Lazy, gangster like, anti-semetic, jealous people are the problem...
If Blacks aren't the problem then why does JTF want to encourage them to leave?
because a lot of blacks have as part of their culture the third world mentalities which are destroying this country...i shouldn't just be those blacks, but anyone else who is screwing up our society.
In my opinion, the best way is to deal the liberal politicians and liberal government and call them on their mistakes to catering to third world nutjobs.