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I think that if a plant grown from the earth can produce so many medical bennefits than why not give it to sick people? I believe this applys to pikuach nefesh.
i think it should be regulated in a similar manner to tobacco. if people wanna screw with their bodies and are not interfering with other people, thats their choice.
funny thing about medical marijuana: a lot of painkillers that are on the market are far worse than pot. there's a ton of opium-based painkillers out there, its basically soft heroin, which is a complete disaster. marijuana is much safer compared to some of the prescription pain killers currently out.
My mother is a pharmacist and most of the pharmaceducals she gives out are usually poison they give to people. If a jew or a gentile wants to mess up there bodys its there decision. In the torah we have no restrictions to alcohol or gambling. I recently say 2 chassids at a poker table in vegas winning money.
Drug companies are evil, they try to replicate natural alternatives. Opioid nicotine and beer are all more additive then when weed this is all propaganda bs funded by competing drug companies. Yes weed should be legal why give drug cartels more money and power ,face it the war on drugs is lost and a waste of my tax paying money.
Ask you self who is getting rich of of the illegality of it?
I think you are making incorrect assumptions here... You should read what we said about this in the Torah section...
There are prohibitions on drinking. We are observing one such prohibition this week. In memory of the 9 days of Av we do not drink wine or eat meat. There is also an obvious prohibition on a Kohein drinking before doing the service in the Temple, and a general prohibition from praying to Hashem while intoxicated.
It is incorrect to believe that Judaism doesn't condemn things which are known to be harmful to the body. And it does not encourage intoxication.
While Chassids are known to drink it is only because there are actual mitzvahs which require drinking. But there is a fine line.
Concerning gambling there are prohibitions on engaging in gambling. If you are interested I can find you the portions which support this position...
This is the long discussion of the topic in the Torah section :
http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,53169.0.html
AND NO.... The Torah does not allow a Jew to mess up his or her own body, quite the opposite. We are not allowed to have Tattoes or piercings because of the very fact that our body is not ours to destroy, it is a gift from Hashem... This is also why a Jew does not get cremated... And another thing we remember from circumcision...
Then why do jews" gamble on channukah with dredels?
Talmudic Background
The main Talmudic discussion of gambling appears in Sanhedrin (24b-25a). The Mishnah there lists different types of men who are disqualified from serving as witnesses, including a dice player (Mesacheik BeKubiya). The Gemara cites two explanations for disqualifying a dice player. Rami Bar Chama believes that one's winnings in dice playing constitute theft, as the losing party does not willingly give his money to the winner. According to Rami Bar Chama, it is a situation of Asmachta in which someone accepts a disproportionately large financial responsibility under the assumption that he will never have to pay it. Rashi (s.v. Asmachta) explains that Rami Bar Chama considers gambling to be Asmachta because each gambler agrees to pay, should he lose, only due to the mistaken belief that he will win. Hence, when he hands the money to the winner, he does so unwillingly.
On the other hand, the Gemara records that Rav Sheishet does not view the losing gambler's payment as an Asmachta. According to Rav Sheishet, the Mishnah disqualifies only a gambler who has no other profession because he fails to engage in any constructive activity (“Eino Oseik BeYishuvo Shel Olamâ€). The Rambam (Hilchot Gezeilah VaAveidah 6:11) explains that a person should involve himself in study and other activities that contribute positively to society, whereas even permissible forms of gambling (such as gambling with a Nochri) contain no socially redeeming value.
The Mishnah Berurah and Aruch Hashulchan (cited at the beginning of the article) strongly discourage playing cards on Chanukah. Rav Moshe Feinstein refers to card playing and bingo (for financial gain) as despicable activities ("Devarim Mecho'arim"). Rav Aharon Lichtenstein commented (to me) that casinos and gambling halls are "symbols of decadence in society." Rav Yehuda Amital said, "People are seeking forms of excitement in life [which are unhealthy]." Rav Soloveitchik put it succinctly, as mentioned earlier - "It is a bad habit; don't do it!"
The Torah (VaYikra 19:2) exhorts us: "Kedoshim Tih'yu," "Be holy.†Many great rabbis have declared that gambling is incompatible with the Jewish people's goal of being a holy people. While it is highly unusual for the Aruch Hashulchan to strongly condemn a practice of the observant community, he does so regarding the practice of many Jews to gamble on Chanukah. Perhaps he reacted so harshly because he served as the rabbi of a city (Novaradok, in pre-World War I Lithuania), where he may have seen the devastating effects that gambling often has on individuals, their families, and society as a whole. In short, let us remember the words of the Mishnah Berurah regarding gambling, "HaShomer Nafsho Yirchak MiZeh," "He who values his soul will stay away from it."
Oh I know about how wicked the Pharma companies are... They tried to get me hooked on pain killers. I had all kinds including Oxycontin and a Morphine pill which I cant remember the name of... Luckily I have not taken any of those pills in over a year now...
I have to disagree with the Rabbi sadly.
"Rebellious son" What if you were sick and mommy and dandy were brain washed by the government! should the son still stay sick because daddy does not like weed? Smoking it is harmful but there are safer ways.
Everything is addicting soda, videogames , carbs , what id mom and dad did not want you to eat those? does one have to live his life exactly how mom and dad want you to ? that seems like a form of mind control. One had to honor ones parents in a direct approach not a direct approach, such as not cursing them helping them when they are old helping them wear cloths and shower when old and taking care of them. One does not have to base his lifestyle on how how mommy and daddy want their son to be molded after.
We see an example of this by Esav who the torah mentions respected his parents because he directly respected them , yet indirectly did not by marrying Canaanites. ultimately his head was in the tomb of the patriarchs because he indeed DID respect his parents.
The Rabbi has to say this because it would look bad if he said otherwise. He was being political and not halacic. We even have Canabasim in the Ketoret and other addictive drugs like cloves which do get you high there. One last note for thought. Jews drink wine which is 10x more addictive then weed every weed. Everything has potential for abuse even weed. The Torah is the instructions on how to prevent these calamities.
If it is made in a medicine form such as a pill or syrup and regulated like any prescription drug and it helps people survive from certain sicknesses, it should be considered ok.
The problem is that this "legalization" is a complete fraud and is only there to fully legalize it.
Ymach shmam to those who pursue this...
The problem isn't just when someone uses it and then right after puts other people in danger. The problem is also when you people use it in the privacy of their own home. I'll be more specific...professionals such as physicians who might have one of your lives in their hands right before a surgery or making an important decision on what medicines you should take. I'm sorry, Marijuana kills brain cells..it makes people stupider.
I am all for harsh penalties and fines when it is found in someone's possession or their use.
I am sorry I dont agree with that sentiment either. It is relatively harmless and all 'brainiacs' at my High School used it. We were the nerds... One of the fellows I was good friends with in High School graduated #1 in the class, went to Cornell University and eventually worked for DARPA in developing secrets for our military and our government. I also know other great scholars who have used this drug and it does not effect all the same way. Much more research needs to be done into this.
I can tell from experience that I have been able to work on software development not long after having smoked. I also have found that pot was good when I was writing poetry... But its primary use should be for alleviating pain...
If it is made in a medicine form such as a pill or syrup and regulated like any prescription drug and it helps people survive from certain sicknesses, it should be considered ok.
The problem is that this "legalization" is a complete fraud and is only there to fully legalize it.
Ymach shmam to those who pursue this...
The problem isn't just when someone uses it and then right after puts other people in danger. The problem is also when you people use it in the privacy of their own home. I'll be more specific...professionals such as physicians who might have one of your lives in their hands right before a surgery or making an important decision on what medicines you should take. I'm sorry, Marijuana kills brain cells..it makes people stupider.
I am all for harsh penalties and fines when it is found in someone's possession or their use.
Muman, it's associate with immoral behavior...It's wrong to do. I have never smoked a cigarette or pot ever my whole life and have no intention of ever starting..>But do you know I never did it? Because it was wrong to do it..and it made me unpopular in high school etc for never following the crowd.
Simply said, I would go crazy if any of my children, Gd forbid, tried it...Would you accept it if your child tried something this harmful? It's not ok...It should never be ok.
And I understand you had a past. But you turned it around and so all is well. But it's not ok...there is no grey here..it's a black or white issue...
If it is made in a medicine form such as a pill or syrup and regulated like any prescription drug and it helps people survive from certain sicknesses, it should be considered ok.
The problem is that this "legalization" is a complete fraud and is only there to fully legalize it.
Ymach shmam to those who pursue this...
The problem isn't just when someone uses it and then right after puts other people in danger. The problem is also when you people use it in the privacy of their own home. I'll be more specific...professionals such as physicians who might have one of your lives in their hands right before a surgery or making an important decision on what medicines you should take. I'm sorry, Marijuana kills brain cells..it makes people stupider.
I am all for harsh penalties and fines when it is found in someone's possession or their use.
"One who smokes and knows that it causes cancer is violating a mitzvah"
Agreed 100%
But what about if he eats it or vaporizes it there is no cancer risk there.
Dr Dan,
Weed does not kill brain cells , but it does cause amotivational syndrome. If you can show us evidence to the contrary, that would be cool.
2.Please why do you think they have to be in pill form like marinol so they can put a patent on it, you can just eat the plant.
3. Why do you think harsh penalties should be enforced. What if you have a son in college and he has big dreams like you did in school, would you really want your son locked up for 2 years (that is the law in some states) and ruin his life for a stupid plant that make you giggle little and hungry? Really? You would want that on citizens ? I worked in the NYPD as saw many good citizens because criminals because of this.
Don't you think that is cruel and unusual punishment ( thus unconstitutional)
I may not be the voice of wisdom on this forum, but I think I speak for the little people that are being bullied by the cops. You are a very intelligent person please elaborate.
I will say that if a Dr however gets caught doing it he should be punished because peoples lives are in his hands , but only if on the Job, not on vacation.
If it is made in a medicine form such as a pill or syrup and regulated like any prescription drug and it helps people survive from certain sicknesses, it should be considered ok.I have to agree with Dr. Dan's statement here about the medical marijuana program being put in place in some parts of the country... I have seen many accounts in the news that state that the program is is being overrun by drug users... Over the years we have seen enough information on this substance to know it needs to be regulated... I think its OK for it's use in certain cases to help people who are sick and suffering however it seems that doctors are all to quick in writing an Rx for almost anyone that complains enough... Personally I have never messed with the stuff and take the position of benign neglect in my opinion when I see others using it... The thing is this program seems to be a haven for old drug users to continue their usage under a umbrella of legitimacy.
The problem is that this "legalization" is a complete fraud and is only there to fully legalize it.
Ymach shmam to those who pursue this...
The problem isn't just when someone uses it and then right after puts other people in danger. The problem is also when you people use it in the privacy of their own home. I'll be more specific...professionals such as physicians who might have one of your lives in their hands right before a surgery or making an important decision on what medicines you should take. I'm sorry, Marijuana kills brain cells..it makes people stupider.
I am all for harsh penalties and fines when it is found in someone's possession or their use.
Umm ok.. I respect your opinion but I think they're just opinions more than facts and many people are not buying this demonizing anymore, 100 million Americans to be exact. Psh lower opinion, whatever I have a lower opinion on some people. It's not the end of the world it'll be legal some day
*moves to Amsterdam and waves goodbye*
One last thing, if people are stupid enough to smoke joints then yeah they're going to get nasty diseases considering most joints contain tobacco beside pot but that's why they make vaporizers.
Anyways I'm not swayed. I pay my bills, hold a good job, so does my boyfriend and we're not junkies so nope. His parents know, my mom knows so far no family chaos, no life destroyed. Everything's normal on this side. Kids should not do it but we're well into our 20s and 30s we're old enough to make up our own decisions.
So nope not happening.
Umm ok.. I respect your opinion but I think they're just opinions more than facts and many people are not buying this demonizing anymore, 100 million Americans to be exact. Psh lower opinion, whatever I have a lower opinion on some people. It's not the end of the world it'll be legal some day:::D Yes, Amsterdam is the right place for things like that... Don't let the door hit you in the tuckus.
*moves to Amsterdam and waves goodbye*
Dr Dan makes some good points but I know to many successful and healthy people to be able to agree with him
There are a lot of people who are "healthy" in so many ways than one that once in awhile use pot or smoke cigarettes or whatever. Probably nothing will happen to them...but is it worth the risk? Is it worth the risk of driving 100 mph once in awhile on a highway to get home faster? Nothing could happen, but something deadly could happen. Is it worth secretly eating something nonkosher? Nothing will probably happen after eating it, but is it worth the risk for later on in heaven? What's the point of rebelling? Look what Adam and Eve did and it was just for a piece of fruit...they lost EVERYTHING.
Nobody's perfect..i get it...but when you don't do what the crowd does if it is something bad, it builds character. And when someone builds good positive character, they have more class. And it's not about how rich you are or the type of car you drive or the clothes you wear. It's not just about the amount of education you have or the job you have. It's not about how pious and religious you are either. It's about not doing what the crowd does if what the crowd is doing is bad and it puts your popularity at risk and you decide, "Forget it. I'm not going to do what the crowd is doing because it's wrong. And I don't care if it makes me unpopular and a recluse."
I know where I come from. I was unpopular because I didn't do what the crowd did and have no regrets. People look up to me because I have class. Some respect me now unlike before because I stuck to my guns and didn't do the wrong thing even though the crowd did it. Why do you think I'm drawn to JTF? For once I can believe in something that might be unpopular, but is right...and through that confidence encourage others to reconsider their old ways.
So what does the crowd have to do with the use of pot? Well, most people try pot because somebody else encouraged them to try it. Very few people go out on their own just to use it. Pot is associated with bad behavior of the crowd or bad behavior coming from a culture. Chai, you are good Jew. Don't do what the crowd does anymore. Set yourself apart. Be proud of who you are..and that will give you prestige.
American culture is horrible when it comes down to things like this. Any American that smokes pot reduces his/her class to people who are more powerful and important. So it's not just you, Chai..it's for anyone who is reading this thread.
I am astounded that jtfers who use pot are basically proud of it instead of ashamed of using it recreationally.
And it has nothing to do with black people that makes it low class. it's a huge turn off. Anything of value that you need to say about anything becomes marginalized because of it. jtfers should never use pot.
I am simply saying that the negatives have been overblown for so long. This is one reason that many youths are now supporting full legalization {which I have said many times I am against}. I believe that the truth lies somewhere in between the two views.
I do not recommend that anyone get involved with it. It would be best if we could concentrate on those things which need our attention. I feel that when Moshiach comes and we all are working together for the common good of the Kingdom of Hashem there will be no need for any medication.
I am not 'proud' nor 'activist' in my stance on MJ... I just want to be honest and compassionate to those in real pain.
I am astounded that jtfers who use pot are basically proud of it instead of ashamed of using it recreationally.
And it has nothing to do with black people that makes it low class. it's a huge turn off. Anything of value that you need to say about anything becomes marginalized because of it. jtfers should never use pot.
I just dont understand how the entire world got along for 60000 years of written history before Uncle Sam came along and decided for us that this plant is now illegal. It was all around the Jews of ancient Israel as a native plant in the region. The talmud discussed every thing from a-z to the tiniest speck, why not this? I'm sure ancient Jews regarded it as a medicinal herb and didn't think more of it.,
Again this plant had been used for over 5000 years, we dont have the entire human race pot head zombie's LOL. The world got around fine without the DEA and will ultimately be a better place without those evil thugs. Smoking pot once in awhile is nothing to be ashamed of or proud of , its as bad as drinking coffee which mind you is even more addicting and worse for your health. I am weary of it for recreational use but that is a higher dosage.
Polygamy and rape were also common...it doesn't make it right. Aren't humans supposed to evolve and become better and not do things just because it was done long ago? I believe smoking pot is one of them.
Again, if there are legitimate reasons to use it to survive and used with care like any medicine should, I don't have a problem with it. Unfortunately the culture of this country writes off pot use...we are in evil times.
We are living in evil times G-d help us. You know there is a shiduch crisis 25% of Jewish women will never get married as there are more women out there ,plus men are more prone to drug use ,crime and have more preside for high paying jobs. Maybe we should I feel bad for these women