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Medical marijuana in israel?
« on: August 07, 2011, 08:10:17 PM »
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/146457

I think that if a plant grown from the earth can produce so many medical bennefits than why not give it to sick people? I believe this applys to pikuach nefesh.

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Re: Medical marijuana in israel?
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2011, 10:08:18 PM »
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/146457

I think that if a plant grown from the earth can produce so many medical bennefits than why not give it to sick people? I believe this applys to pikuach nefesh.

I agree that there are medical uses... But I also believe it should be controlled like any other medicine and not abused... BTW, that is my own personal opinion and it is not JTFs position {as I understand it from hearing what Chaim has said}...



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Re: Medical marijuana in israel?
« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2011, 10:22:01 PM »
i think it should be regulated in a similar manner to tobacco. if people wanna screw with their bodies and are not interfering with other people, thats their choice.

funny thing about medical marijuana: a lot of painkillers that are on the market are far worse than pot. there's a ton of opium-based painkillers out there, its basically soft heroin, which is a complete disaster. marijuana is much safer compared to some of the prescription pain killers currently out.

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Re: Medical marijuana in israel?
« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2011, 10:34:53 PM »
Medical marijuana as it is practiced in Calfiornia is a complete fraud.  Anyone can get a card as long as they can pay the Doctor's fee.
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Re: Medical marijuana in israel?
« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2011, 10:45:30 PM »
i think it should be regulated in a similar manner to tobacco. if people wanna screw with their bodies and are not interfering with other people, thats their choice.

funny thing about medical marijuana: a lot of painkillers that are on the market are far worse than pot. there's a ton of opium-based painkillers out there, its basically soft heroin, which is a complete disaster. marijuana is much safer compared to some of the prescription pain killers currently out.

My mother is a pharmacist and most of the pharmaceducals she gives out are usually poison they give to people. If a jew or a gentile wants to mess up there bodys its there decision. In the torah we have no restrictions to alcohol or gambling. I recently say 2 chassids at a poker table in vegas winning money.

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Re: Medical marijuana in israel?
« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2011, 11:11:15 PM »
My mother is a pharmacist and most of the pharmaceducals she gives out are usually poison they give to people. If a jew or a gentile wants to mess up there bodys its there decision. In the torah we have no restrictions to alcohol or gambling. I recently say 2 chassids at a poker table in vegas winning money.

I think you are making incorrect assumptions here... You should read what we said about this in the Torah section...

There are prohibitions on drinking. We are observing one such prohibition this week. In memory of the 9 days of Av we do not drink wine or eat meat. There is also an obvious prohibition on a Kohein drinking before doing the service in the Temple, and a general prohibition from praying to Hashem while intoxicated.

It is incorrect to believe that Judaism doesn't condemn things which are known to be harmful to the body. And it does not encourage intoxication.

While Chassids are known to drink it is only because there are actual mitzvahs which require drinking. But there is a fine line.

Concerning gambling there are prohibitions on engaging in gambling. If you are interested I can find you the portions which support this position...

This is the long discussion of the topic in the Torah section :

http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,53169.0.html


AND NO.... The Torah does not allow a Jew to mess up his or her own body, quite the opposite. We are not allowed to have Tattoes or piercings because of the very fact that our body is not ours to destroy, it is a gift from Hashem... This is also why a Jew does not get cremated... And another thing we remember from circumcision...


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Re: Medical marijuana in israel?
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2011, 11:15:44 PM »
Here is an ask the Rabbi on this:

http://ohr.edu/ask_db/ask_main.php/89/Q1/

Topic: Drugs in Judaism

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What does Judaism have to say about recreational drug usage? I know what Judaism has to say about putting anything harmful into the body, but what about certain drugs that do not hurt the body? Is altering one's state of consciousness ok or not ok from a Jewish standpoint?

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Dear Confidential,

Your question was asked of Rabbi Moshe Feinstein, zatzal, regarding Marijuana. The following is a summary of his answer:

The Torah teaches about a 'Ben Sorer Umoreh' - a rebellious son. A Ben Sorer Umoreh is a youth who steals meat and wine from his father and gobbles it down. The Torah calls for the death penalty in such a case. Since he is addicted to physical pleasures, he will ultimately do anything to support his habit, even rob and kill. The same is true of drugs, and more so. People who use drugs usually acquire a strong hunger to maintain their habit, and can develop physical and/or psychological dependence.

In general, using drugs is unhealthy. But even if no harm is done to the body, drugs lead to a lack of concentration needed to pray, fulfill mitzvot and learn Torah properly.

Parents are usually distressed by a child's drug usage, so using drugs could lead to violating the commandment to "Honor your father and mother."

And finally, the Torah says "Kedoshim Tihiyu" - "You shall be holy" - meaning that you should not seek out and indulge in excess pleasures. Based on all the above reasons Rabbi Feinstein prohibits Marijuana [and urges educators to do all they can to dissuade people from using it.]

Now if you ask, "But what about alcohol? Don't all the above reasons apply equally well to it?" The answer is... "Yes!" In the words of the Rambam, "Someone who gets drunk is a sinner." Alcohol, when used for the purpose of getting intoxicated, would be in the same category as drugs.

Another point: Using drugs, even for 'recreation', brings you in contact with 'professionals': Users and - unless you 'grow your own' - dealers. So, as they say: "If the drugs don't getcha, the company will..."

Sources:

Iggrot Moshe, Yoreh De'ah 3:35



Rabbi Mizrachi on the topic:

http://www.divineinformation.com/audios-english/gambling-alcohol-and-drugs/
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Re: Medical marijuana in israel?
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2011, 11:19:40 PM »
Drug companies are evil, they try to replicate natural alternatives. Opioid nicotine and beer are all more additive then when weed this is all propaganda bs funded by competing drug companies. Yes weed should be legal why give drug cartels more money and power ,face it the war on drugs is lost and a waste of my tax paying money.

Ask you self who is getting rich of of the illegality of it?

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Re: Medical marijuana in israel?
« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2011, 11:20:42 PM »
Drug companies are evil, they try to replicate natural alternatives. Opioid nicotine and beer are all more additive then when weed this is all propaganda bs funded by competing drug companies. Yes weed should be legal why give drug cartels more money and power ,face it the war on drugs is lost and a waste of my tax paying money.

Ask you self who is getting rich of of the illegality of it?

Oh I know about how wicked the Pharma companies are... They tried to get me hooked on pain killers. I had all kinds including Oxycontin and a Morphine pill which I cant remember the name of... Luckily I have not taken any of those pills in over a year now...

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Re: Medical marijuana in israel?
« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2011, 11:26:34 PM »
a ton of painkillers opium-based, meaning it's just soft heroin.

and yes, the drug was is a massive waste of money. with our deficit, cracking down on potheads should not be a priority, we could probably benefit from tax revenue from weed.

and it is also destroying mexico, their legitimate government is unable to control the drug cartels and is turning that country into another somalia, right on our border.

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Re: Medical marijuana in israel?
« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2011, 11:27:07 PM »
I think you are making incorrect assumptions here... You should read what we said about this in the Torah section...

There are prohibitions on drinking. We are observing one such prohibition this week. In memory of the 9 days of Av we do not drink wine or eat meat. There is also an obvious prohibition on a Kohein drinking before doing the service in the Temple, and a general prohibition from praying to Hashem while intoxicated.

It is incorrect to believe that Judaism doesn't condemn things which are known to be harmful to the body. And it does not encourage intoxication.

While Chassids are known to drink it is only because there are actual mitzvahs which require drinking. But there is a fine line.

Concerning gambling there are prohibitions on engaging in gambling. If you are interested I can find you the portions which support this position...

This is the long discussion of the topic in the Torah section :

http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,53169.0.html


AND NO.... The Torah does not allow a Jew to mess up his or her own body, quite the opposite. We are not allowed to have Tattoes or piercings because of the very fact that our body is not ours to destroy, it is a gift from Hashem... This is also why a Jew does not get cremated... And another thing we remember from circumcision...




Then why do jews" gamble on channukah with  dredels?

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Re: Medical marijuana in israel?
« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2011, 11:33:56 PM »
I have to disagree with the Rabbi sadly.

"Rebellious son" What if you were sick and mommy and dandy were brain washed by the government! should the son still stay sick because daddy does not like weed? Smoking it is harmful but there are safer ways.

Everything is addicting soda, videogames , carbs , what if mom and dad did not want you to eat those? Does one have to live his life exactly how mom and dad want you to ? That seems like a form of mind control. One had to honor ones parents in a direct approach not a direct approach. For example, such as not cursing, helping them when they are old, helping them wear cloths and shower when old and taking care of them. One does not have to base his lifestyle on how how mommy and daddy want their son to be molded after if he goes according to torah and oral laws.
We see an example of this by Esav who the torah mentions respected his parents because he directly respected them , yet indirectly did not by marrying Canaanites. ultimately his head was in the tomb of the patriarchs because he indeed DID respect his parents.

The Rabbi has to say this because it would look bad if he said otherwise. He was being political and not halacic. We even have Canabasim in the Ketoret and other addictive drugs like cloves which do get you high there.  One last note for thought. Jews  drink wine which is 10x more addictive then weed every weed. Everything has potential for abuse even weed. The Torah is the instructions on how to prevent these calamities.

The worst thing I have seen weed do is make a person lazy and chubby. But I dont thing it gets to  a point of taking your parents money esp if you live 1000's of miles away.I guess maybe some people do  but I have a feeling bums like that would be like that without drugs too.
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Re: Medical marijuana in israel?
« Reply #12 on: August 07, 2011, 11:34:46 PM »
Then why do jews" gamble on channukah with  dredels?

Ahh... Good question... I have heard the answer to this...

Here is a discussion on the topic...


Here the Talmud is very clear about how bad gambling is:

http://www.koltorah.org/halachah/torah%C3%A2%E2%82%AC%E2%84%A2s-view-gambling

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Talmudic Background

The main Talmudic discussion of gambling appears in Sanhedrin (24b-25a). The Mishnah there lists different types of men who are disqualified from serving as witnesses, including a dice player (Mesacheik BeKubiya). The Gemara cites two explanations for disqualifying a dice player. Rami Bar Chama believes that one's winnings in dice playing constitute theft, as the losing party does not willingly give his money to the winner. According to Rami Bar Chama, it is a situation of Asmachta in which someone accepts a disproportionately large financial responsibility under the assumption that he will never have to pay it. Rashi (s.v. Asmachta) explains that Rami Bar Chama considers gambling to be Asmachta because each gambler agrees to pay, should he lose, only due to the mistaken belief that he will win. Hence, when he hands the money to the winner, he does so unwillingly.
On the other hand, the Gemara records that Rav Sheishet does not view the losing gambler's payment as an Asmachta. According to Rav Sheishet, the Mishnah disqualifies only a gambler who has no other profession because he fails to engage in any constructive activity (“Eino Oseik BeYishuvo Shel Olam”). The Rambam (Hilchot Gezeilah VaAveidah 6:11) explains that a person should involve himself in study and other activities that contribute positively to society, whereas even permissible forms of gambling (such as gambling with a Nochri) contain no socially redeeming value.

And many modern sages are against the practice of gambling on Channukah:

Ibid
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The Mishnah Berurah and Aruch Hashulchan (cited at the beginning of the article) strongly discourage playing cards on Chanukah. Rav Moshe Feinstein refers to card playing and bingo (for financial gain) as despicable activities ("Devarim Mecho'arim"). Rav Aharon Lichtenstein commented (to me) that casinos and gambling halls are "symbols of decadence in society." Rav Yehuda Amital said, "People are seeking forms of excitement in life [which are unhealthy]." Rav Soloveitchik put it succinctly, as mentioned earlier - "It is a bad habit; don't do it!"
The Torah (VaYikra 19:2) exhorts us: "Kedoshim Tih'yu," "Be holy.” Many great rabbis have declared that gambling is incompatible with the Jewish people's goal of being a holy people. While it is highly unusual for the Aruch Hashulchan to strongly condemn a practice of the observant community, he does so regarding the practice of many Jews to gamble on Chanukah. Perhaps he reacted so harshly because he served as the rabbi of a city (Novaradok, in pre-World War I Lithuania), where he may have seen the devastating effects that gambling often has on individuals, their families, and society as a whole. In short, let us remember the words of the Mishnah Berurah regarding gambling, "HaShomer Nafsho Yirchak MiZeh," "He who values his soul will stay away from it."

From what I can tell is that it is a custom which many Rabbis frown on...

http://www.askmoses.com/en/article/487,30274/How-can-we-play-dreidel-on-Chanukah-isnt-it-gambling.html

http://www.askmoses.com/en/list/487/Holidays-Chanukah-The-Customs.html

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Re: Medical marijuana in israel?
« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2011, 11:34:50 PM »
Oh I know about how wicked the Pharma companies are... They tried to get me hooked on pain killers. I had all kinds including Oxycontin and a Morphine pill which I cant remember the name of... Luckily I have not taken any of those pills in over a year now...



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Re: Medical marijuana in israel?
« Reply #14 on: August 07, 2011, 11:36:40 PM »
I have to disagree with the Rabbi sadly.

"Rebellious son" What if you were sick and mommy and dandy were brain washed by the government! should the son still stay sick because daddy does not like weed? Smoking it is harmful but there are safer ways.

Everything is addicting soda, videogames , carbs , what id mom and dad did not want you to eat those? does one have to live his life exactly how mom and dad want you to ? that seems like a form of mind control. One had to honor ones parents in a direct approach not a direct approach, such as not cursing them helping them when they are old helping them wear cloths and shower when old and taking care of them. One does not have to base his lifestyle on how how mommy and daddy want their son to be molded after.
We see an example of this by Esav who the torah mentions respected his parents because he directly respected them , yet indirectly did not by marrying Canaanites. ultimately his head was in the tomb of the patriarchs because he indeed DID respect his parents.

The Rabbi has to say this because it would look bad if he said otherwise. He was being political and not halacic. We even have Canabasim in the Ketoret and other addictive drugs like cloves which do get you high there.  One last note for thought. Jews  drink wine which is 10x more addictive then weed every weed. Everything has potential for abuse even weed. The Torah is the instructions on how to prevent these calamities.

You are not correct. This is not one Rabbi who says this... I can bring you tons of Rabbis which bring the Halachic prohibition to doing damage to your body. Your argument about things which do damage we discussed in the Thread. There are levels of knowing that you are doing damage. One who smokes and knows that it causes cancer is violating a mitzvah. This is not politically correct, this is the law according to the mitzvot. It is one of the 613 commandments to do no harm to your body, as in making a tattoo..


That you mention a case where one who obeyed honoring of parents and it resulted in a corrupted soul does not invalidate the commandment to honor your mother and father , this is one of the TEN COMMANDMENTS, is it not?

Jews drink wine in moderation. I don't know any Jew who is religious who is a drunk... Maybe you do.


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Re: Medical marijuana in israel?
« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2011, 11:38:56 PM »
http://www.oztorah.com/2007/08/drugs-judaism/


Drugs & Judaism
Rabbi Dr. Raymond Apple
Judaism cannot ignore the widespread problem of drug abuse, not only because of its individual, family and social effects, but because drug taking infringes basic halachic principles.

1. The first principle is that we do not own our bodies. They belong to the Holy One, blessed be He (Rambam, Hilchot Rotze’ach 1:4; Shulchan Aruch HaRav, Choshen Mishpat, Nizkei HaGuf 4).

The Torah establishes the principle, “You shall diligently guard your life” (Deut. 4:15); the Rambam says, “It is forbidden for a person to injure himself or another” (Hilchot Chovel U’Mazzik 5:1; cf. Shulchan Aruch, Choshen Mishpat 420:31).

We are not permitted to harm, mutilate, destroy or even take risks with our body, life or health. Smoking, immoderate use of alcohol, and drug taking all threaten the body which belongs to G-d. The Talmud insists that “regulations concerning danger to life are more stringent than ritual prohibitions” (Chullin 10a).

Yes, some rabbis refused to ban smoking on the basis that “The Lord protects the simple” (Psalm 116:6), but knowing now how much danger is likely as a result of smoking, halachic opinion is much more negative than before on the subject, and in relation to drug taking the principle would be the Talmudic statement, “Where injury is likely one must not rely on a miracle” (Kidd. 39b). The danger may not always be immediate, but jeopardising one’s long term future is also a major consideration.

2. Man is made in the Divine image (Gen. 1:26) and endowed with free will (Deut. 11:26, 30:15). Under the influence of drugs, as Rabbi Moshe D. Tendler puts it, man “becomes, for varying lengths of time, a lobotomised caricature of this noble creature that bears the Godly image” (“Judaism and Drugs”, ed. Leo Landman, 1973, p.64).

3. Man is made as both an individual and a member of society. Drug-taking affects one’s ability to be a socially responsive and responsible person. The habit needs constant feeding, and the wherewithal has to come from somewhere, often petty pilfering and sometimes quite serious criminality. Several of the Ten Commandments end up being broken as a result.

It also “necessitates contact with the morally degraded elements of our society” – the drug barons (Tendler). The drug addict becomes enslaved not only to the drug substances but also to drug sellers. “To Me are the Children of Israel servants,” says the Almighty (Lev. 25:55), “and not servants to (other) servants” add the sages (Bava Kamma 116b).

4. Using judiciously chosen drugs for therapeutic purposes under the direction of a competent physician is one thing. Resorting to drugs in order to escape from reality, to attempt to become somebody, to heighten one’s mood – that is something else.

Halachah believes that a person who wants a high should find it in the ecstasy of spiritual communion with G-d, the exhilaration of Torah study, the supreme joy of doing a mitzvah (Eruvin 54b etc.).

True, some attribute to historical figures like the Baal Shem Tov certain addictive habits, but the evidence is scanty, despite Professor Yaffa Eliach’s attempt to show that the Baal Shem reached spiritual highs because he “smoked something other than tobacco” (Proceedings of the American Academy for Jewish Research, vol. 36, 1968, pp. 57-83).

Dr. Walter Wurzburger warns that for Judaism, “Proximity to G-d cannot be reached by putting oneself into a trance either through physical or chemical means”. Even when, he adds, “through a supernatural gift of prophecy, an individual is privileged to behold the heavenly mysteries – as Rabbi Soloveitchik put it so convincingly in ‘The Lonely Man of Faith’ – he must ultimately return from his journey into the higher regions of being with a socio-ethical message that is geared to man’s task on earth” (“Judaism and Drugs”, ed. Leo Landman, 1973, 0.141).

The severity of the halachah in its attitude to drugs is unambiguous. This is not to say that we are entitled to be holier than thou, judgmental or condemnatory. An imperative of the halachah is “Love your neighbour as yourself” (Lev. 19:18).

In addressing the drug problem, whatever energies we can harness, as Jews, as concerned citizens, must be utilised constructively and with compassion. And as always we have to exert ourselves to encourage opportunities to “take a trip” in Judaism and our Jewish type of spirituality which is both earth-bound and heaven-bent.



Also I expect Chaim to chime in soon with his policy concerning hallucinegenic drugs...


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Re: Medical marijuana in israel?
« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2011, 11:45:03 PM »
And let me reiterate... I was a hippie for over 10 years in the 80s and I have done almost all the drugs, not including heroin, extasty, and other 'designer drugs'.... But I have done cocaine and I know about cocaine addiction. It is something you would not wish on an animal. And it is good to prevent people from going down that road. I do not believe in the 'gateway drug' idea in general, but I do believe that once a person has done pot he is willing to do other things, as I did in my early 20s. I did LSD, I did mushrooms, I did crack cocaine, and I did meth... I have tried it and I know the dangers, and thank HASHEM that I survived because I know people who are no longer in this world because of their drug and alcohol problems. I am 46 now and I am proud to say that it has been 20 years since I did those drugs. I had to move away from the bad influences and turn my life towards G-d.

I support medical marijuana because i know it works for my pain. I do not want kids to smoke it because it does lead many to slack off. I think that the laws should allow those whom it helps to get it, and prevents those who do not need it from getting it.


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Re: Medical marijuana in israel?
« Reply #17 on: August 07, 2011, 11:48:50 PM »
If it is made in a medicine form such as a pill or syrup and regulated like any prescription drug and it helps people survive from certain sicknesses, it should be considered ok.

The problem is that this "legalization" is a complete fraud and is only there to fully legalize it.

Ymach shmam to those who pursue this...

The problem isn't just when someone uses it and then right after puts other people in danger.  The problem is also when you people use it in the privacy of their own home.  I'll be more specific...professionals such as physicians who might have one of your lives in their hands right before a surgery or making an important decision on what medicines you should take.  I'm sorry, Marijuana kills brain cells..it makes people stupider. 

I am all for harsh penalties and fines when it is found in someone's possession or their use.
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Re: Medical marijuana in israel?
« Reply #18 on: August 07, 2011, 11:57:46 PM »
If it is made in a medicine form such as a pill or syrup and regulated like any prescription drug and it helps people survive from certain sicknesses, it should be considered ok.

The problem is that this "legalization" is a complete fraud and is only there to fully legalize it.

Ymach shmam to those who pursue this...

The problem isn't just when someone uses it and then right after puts other people in danger.  The problem is also when you people use it in the privacy of their own home.  I'll be more specific...professionals such as physicians who might have one of your lives in their hands right before a surgery or making an important decision on what medicines you should take.  I'm sorry, Marijuana kills brain cells..it makes people stupider.  

I am all for harsh penalties and fines when it is found in someone's possession or their use.


I am sorry I dont agree with that sentiment either. It is relatively harmless and all 'brainiacs' at my High School used it. We were the nerds... One of the fellows I was good friends with in High School graduated #1 in the class, went to Cornell University and eventually worked for DARPA in developing secrets for our military and our government. I also know other great scholars who have used this drug and it does not effect all the same way. Much more research needs to be done into this.

I can tell from experience that I have been able to work on software development not long after having smoked. I also have found that pot was good when I was writing poetry... But its primary use should be for alleviating pain...

I think that there is a problem in the medical profession of doctors who perform surgery while drunk... Maybe you are saying there would be an equal danger, but I don't see it exclusively a problem with pot...
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Re: Medical marijuana in israel?
« Reply #19 on: August 08, 2011, 12:01:06 AM »
I am sorry I dont agree with that sentiment either. It is relatively harmless and all 'brainiacs' at my High School used it. We were the nerds... One of the fellows I was good friends with in High School graduated #1 in the class, went to Cornell University and eventually worked for DARPA in developing secrets for our military and our government. I also know other great scholars who have used this drug and it does not effect all the same way. Much more research needs to be done into this.

I can tell from experience that I have been able to work on software development not long after having smoked. I also have found that pot was good when I was writing poetry... But its primary use should be for alleviating pain...



Muman, it's associate with immoral behavior...It's wrong to do.  I have never smoked a cigarette or pot ever my whole life and have no intention of ever starting..>But do you know I never did it?  Because it was wrong to do it..and it made me unpopular in high school etc for never following the crowd.

Simply said, I would go crazy if any of my children, Gd forbid, tried it...Would you accept it if your child tried something this harmful?  It's not ok...It should never be ok.

And I understand you had a past. But you turned it around and so all is well.  But it's not ok...there is no grey here..it's a black or white issue...
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Re: Medical marijuana in israel?
« Reply #20 on: August 08, 2011, 12:07:15 AM »
If it is made in a medicine form such as a pill or syrup and regulated like any prescription drug and it helps people survive from certain sicknesses, it should be considered ok.

The problem is that this "legalization" is a complete fraud and is only there to fully legalize it.

Ymach shmam to those who pursue this...

The problem isn't just when someone uses it and then right after puts other people in danger.  The problem is also when you people use it in the privacy of their own home.  I'll be more specific...professionals such as physicians who might have one of your lives in their hands right before a surgery or making an important decision on what medicines you should take.  I'm sorry, Marijuana kills brain cells..it makes people stupider. 

I am all for harsh penalties and fines when it is found in someone's possession or their use.


we have penalties for people who are intoxicated while they need to be totally sober because of life risk (driving and stuff), we can and should do the same for pot

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Re: Medical marijuana in israel?
« Reply #21 on: August 08, 2011, 12:09:55 AM »
Muman, it's associate with immoral behavior...It's wrong to do.  I have never smoked a cigarette or pot ever my whole life and have no intention of ever starting..>But do you know I never did it?  Because it was wrong to do it..and it made me unpopular in high school etc for never following the crowd.

Simply said, I would go crazy if any of my children, Gd forbid, tried it...Would you accept it if your child tried something this harmful?  It's not ok...It should never be ok.

And I understand you had a past. But you turned it around and so all is well.  But it's not ok...there is no grey here..it's a black or white issue...

I know that there are varying levels of danger and no matter how much you want to protect your children they are on their own in the end. I have had this issue with my mother who was the most anti-Drug woman there is. We had massive problems when I was a teenager and ultimately I moved to the West Coast to get away from my mother and live with my Dad in California. Anyway, to make a long story short, we must have accurate scientific information which I don't believe we have.

I have seen contradicting medical evidence that there are many benefits from smoking aside from pain.

But it is best to not do it in the first place. Addiction is a terrible thing to be caught up in...


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Re: Medical marijuana in israel?
« Reply #22 on: August 08, 2011, 12:14:48 AM »
"One who smokes and knows that it causes cancer is violating a mitzvah"
Agreed 100%

But what about if he eats it or vaporizes it there is no cancer risk there.

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« Reply #23 on: August 08, 2011, 12:17:44 AM »
If it is made in a medicine form such as a pill or syrup and regulated like any prescription drug and it helps people survive from certain sicknesses, it should be considered ok.

The problem is that this "legalization" is a complete fraud and is only there to fully legalize it.

Ymach shmam to those who pursue this...

The problem isn't just when someone uses it and then right after puts other people in danger.  The problem is also when you people use it in the privacy of their own home.  I'll be more specific...professionals such as physicians who might have one of your lives in their hands right before a surgery or making an important decision on what medicines you should take.  I'm sorry, Marijuana kills brain cells..it makes people stupider.  

I am all for harsh penalties and fines when it is found in someone's possession or their use.


Dr Dan,
Weed does not kill brain cells , but it does cause amotivational syndrome. If you can show us evidence to the contrary, that would be cool.

2.Please why do you think they have to be in pill form like marinol so they can put a patent on it, you can just eat the plant.

3. Why do you think harsh penalties should be enforced. What if you have a son in college and he has big dreams like you did in school, would you really want your son locked up for 2 years (that is the law in some states) and ruin his life for a stupid plant that make you giggle little and hungry?  Really? You would want that on citizens ? I worked in the NYPD as saw many good citizens because criminals because of this.
Don't you think that is cruel and unusual punishment ( thus unconstitutional)

I may not be the voice of wisdom on this forum, but I think I speak for the little people that are being bullied by the cops. You are a very intelligent person please elaborate.

I will say that if a Dr however gets caught doing it he should be punished because peoples lives are in his hands , but only if on the Job, not on vacation.
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Re: Medical marijuana in israel?
« Reply #24 on: August 08, 2011, 02:20:59 AM »
Say What?