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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: jbeige on October 12, 2011, 08:07:39 AM
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I hope this isn't too controversial but I want to know where all the Romney bashing is going to get you when he gets the nomination. Romney is definitely going to get the nomination, that is a fact and lets not have that fantasy that anyone else is going to get the nomination.
How do you reverse all the damage you are doing to him?
If I was a guest coming on the forum and I seen all the Romney and Christie bashing I would say that Romney is terrible and just not to vote which you know what that will mean, another 4 years of obama.
I guess now I will be called all names for writing this.
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You don't "reverse" any damage. You need to decide if you can hold your nose and vote for him. I suspect many would begrudgingly vote for Romney over Obama because Obama is beyond awful.
Unlike republicrat whores who only care about their own advancement, JTF really should always stand for the truth and the good position.
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You don't "reverse" any damage. You need to decide if you can hold your nose and vote for him. I suspect many would begrudgingly vote for Romney over Obama because Obama is beyond awful.
Unlike republicrat whores who only care about their own advancement, JTF really should always stand for the truth and the good position.
The problem is the people will not hold their noses and vote for him if they see him being bashed all the time by people on here, I see you don't remember what happened in the last election, the republicans stayed home, how do you think we got obama.
JTF should stand for the person who can beat obama because four more years of obama and Israel is finished.
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It's still really early. I think it's ok to do some bashing now. We may still have options. I'm not really happy with Romney but I will say I'm not really happy with Cain or Perry either. By the time the primaries get to Texas the nominee is already decided anyway so the only way I'll have any real influence is to try to talk about these candidates. I think Cain would lose against Obama for sure, Perry might be ok but as was mentioned before he's terrible when it comes to debating. Romney may have the best chance of beating Obama, but I don't like the fact that he is, essentially, a liberal.
I hope that someone better comes along because none of the choices that are there make me happy.
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Romney will lose like McCain lost. If people want a liberal they will vote for Obama. Christie and Romney just told the Baptists to go F themselves by attacking that Baptist convention minister who denounced Mormonism. My guess is religious Christians will vote for Romney but not in the numbers he needs to win. Many will stay home and say 'screw it'. Economic conservatives and Tea Party people will do the same when Romney fails to explain why Romneycare was good for Massachusetts but Obamacare is bad for America. Romney was actually first trying to force people to buy health care insurance(which is unconstitutional).
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The problem is the people will not hold their noses and vote for him if they see him being bashed all the time by people on here, I see you don't remember what happened in the last election, the republicans stayed home, how do you think we got obama.
JTF should stand for the person who can beat obama because four more years of obama and Israel is finished.
So if we bash Osama, will people stop voting for him?
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Romney will lose like McCain lost. If people want a liberal they will vote for Obama. Christie and Romney just told the Baptists to go F themselves by attacking that Baptist convention minister who denounced Mormonism. My guess is religious Christians will vote for Romney but not in the numbers he needs to win. Many will stay home and say 'screw it'. Economic conservatives and Tea Party people will do the same when Romney fails to explain why Romneycare was good for Massachusetts but Obamacare is bad for America. Romney was actually first trying to force people to buy health care insurance(which is unconstitutional).
Romney is definitely going to get the republican nomination so what you are saying is obama has it locked up so why are we even bothering.
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So if we bash Osama, will people stop voting for him?
No if we bash obama people are going to vote for him more, see it's responses like this that get me in trouble.
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Romney is definitely going to get the republican nomination so what you are saying is obama has it locked up so why are we even bothering.
I'm saying good luck running on Romney's record compared to Obama's. Mitt is the republican John Kerry.
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Romney is McCain with more hair. I don't like him at all.... BUT, he does have the best chance to beat Obamba. But if that changes, I will support whoever else has the best chance.
I just want Obama out.... he has caused so much damage. I don't want to gamble with this election at all.....
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The problem is the people will not hold their noses and vote for him if they see him being bashed all the time by people on here, I see you don't remember what happened in the last election, the republicans stayed home, how do you think we got obama.
JTF should stand for the person who can beat obama because four more years of obama and Israel is finished.
While John McCain was a poor candidate he had a very decent chance until Lehman Brothers collapsed and the economy fell off a cliff. I don't think we should pull punches on Romney. It is not a sure thing that he gets the nomination.
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No if we bash obama people are going to vote for him more, see it's responses like this that get me in trouble.
So if we love osama, will people stop voting for him?
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No Jpedo, you are getting in trouble because you are a piece of WN dreck.
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I think Cain would lose against Obama for sure
So... "you think" or you are "sure"?
Either way what's your evidence for this?
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No Jpedo, you are getting in trouble because you are a piece of WN dreck.
I would like to know how you get away with this on the forum, it's amazing how you are allowed to call people names and nobody on here says a thing.
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I would like to know how you get away with this on the forum, it's amazing how you are allowed to call people names and nobody on here says a thing.
Well, I think it's inappropriate for you to be called names.
It's seems like the people who are quick to call other members Størm Frønt trolls, spend a lot of time there. They know all about what goes on there.
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No Jpedo, you are getting in trouble because you are a piece of WN dreck.
I am starting to become really sick of this sort of post against other members here on the forum... Why must everything you post have some sick sexual reference attached to it...
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Those of you who have known me for a long time know what I am all about. Some of you will remember I was accused of being too harsh on Ben Mizrahi, Ralph, Americanhero, etc. as well. Who was correct: the defenders of those individuals or their detractors?
I care about truth, not what any one person thinks. Even in those very few situations where I have differed in opinion with Chaim, I haven't recanted my posts.
Deal or not, get on the bus or run alongside it.
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Romney is McCain with more hair. I don't like him at all.... BUT, he does have the best chance to beat Obamba. But if that changes, I will support whoever else has the best chance.
I just want Obama out.... he has caused so much damage. I don't want to gamble with this election at all.....
This is exactly how I feel.
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Those of you who have known me for a long time know what I am all about. Some of you will remember I was accused of being too harsh on Ben Mizrahi, Ralph, Americanhero, etc. as well. Who was correct: the defenders of those individuals or their detractors?
I care about truth, not what any one person thinks. Even in those very few situations where I have differed in opinion with Chaim, I haven't recanted my posts.
Deal or not, get on the bus or run alongside it.
jbiege is nothing like Ben Mizrahi, Ralph, Americanhero, Sayno2Isalm, etc. He is not trying to sabotage this group.
Calling someone a Pedophile or a Nazi is a serious accusation. I have seen any indication that Jbiege is a Jew hater. He simply has a ideology that is more moderate than ours on social/religious issues and he doesn't trust black people.
Just we because we dont agree with him on a few things, doesnt mean he is a Jew hater or a pedophile.
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Those of you who have known me for a long time know what I am all about. Some of you will remember I was accused of being too harsh on Ben Mizrahi, Ralph, Americanhero, etc. as well. Who was correct: the defenders of those individuals or their detractors?
I care about truth, not what any one person thinks. Even in those very few situations where I have differed in opinion with Chaim, I haven't recanted my posts.
Deal or not, get on the bus or run alongside it.
Yes, I know what you are all about..
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jbiege is nothing like Ben Mizrahi, Ralph, Americanhero, Sayno2Isalm, etc. He is not trying to sabotage this group.
Calling someone a Pedophile or a Nazi is a serious accusation. I have seen any indication that Jbiege is a Jew hater. He simply has a ideology that is more moderate than ours on social/religious issues and he doesn't trust black people.
Just we because we dont agree with him on a few things, doesnt mean he is a Jew hater or a pedophile.
Thank you but don't argue with him about me, just let him talk, I don't care what names he calls me, but it just looks bad for the forum to have guests come on and see name calling.
I don't care what anyone's religion is I'm just interest in beating obama and yes after obama I do not trust any black people running for office.
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jbiege is nothing like Ben Mizrahi, Ralph, Americanhero, Sayno2Isalm, etc. He is not trying to sabotage this group.
Calling someone a Pedophile or a Nazi is a serious accusation. I have seen any indication that Jbiege is a Jew hater. He simply has a ideology that is more moderate than ours on social/religious issues and he doesn't trust black people.
Just we because we dont agree with him on a few things, doesnt mean he is a Jew hater or a pedophile.
To be honest I even resent seeing Americanhero on the above list... He was a member that was very protective of our forum... I can't tell you how many times he gave me a heads up on problems saw developing on the forum... All he wanted was to be a part of JTF... Anyway I personally don't see what the problem with Jbiege's posts is but then again I haven't joined my local chapter of the N.A.A.C.P yet as it seems some of our other members here must have... It seems in recent months some of our members are more motivated in bolstering blacks and black issues than they are concerned for the well being of Israel and America... I personally feel this is a large distraction to our movement... The fact that Herman Cain is a black man is an important factor... As I said show me one or two black politicians ( President, Mayors, Governors, County Supervisors) that did a good job while in office... West is good but he is legislator. The track record for black politicians is very poor until Cain proves he is cut from a different cloth by taking some heat during the primary process I remain skeptical.
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cjd: Believe me, your man AH is not who you think he is. If you care to know why you can send me a PM.
This is the jbeige that you think is such a great member. Nothing suspicious about these posts, right?
http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,57797.msg521542.html#msg521542
If I have no credibility why are you even answering me?
I said the Jews are the keepers of the land, you want to put the word "own" in it, sorry but I don't believe anyone "owns" the holy land. There are Christian ties to the holy land also. I use the word "the Keepers" of the holy land, if it's owned who holds the deed to the property?, Was G_d the mortgage holder?
The problem is your liberalness is showing.
http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,57820.50.html
You believe what you want.
The fact is the Mormons and all the other groups will come out in force for Romney, except the Jewish people they will still stick with obama.
Do you really want to get behind this rhetoric?
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To be honest I even resent seeing Americanhero on the above list... He was a member that was very protective of our forum... I can't tell you how many times he gave me a heads up on problems saw developing on the forum... All he wanted was to be a part of JTF... Anyway I personally don't see what the problem with Jbiege's posts is but then again I haven't joined my local chapter of the N.A.A.C.P yet as it seems some of our other members here must have... It seems in recent months some of our members are more motivated in bolstering blacks and black issues than they are concerned for the well being of Israel and America... I personally feel this is a large distraction to our movement... The fact that Herman Cain is a black man is an important factor... As I said show me one or two black politicians ( President, Mayors, Governors, County Supervisors) that did a good job while in office... West is good but he is legislator. The track record for black politicians is very poor until Cain proves he is cut from a different cloth by taking some heat during the primary process I remain skeptical.
Ooops, I copied and pasted that, I wasnt even aware that AmericanHero was banned. I though he left because of some other issues. He definetely was not a saboteur.
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I wonder if anyone would vote for Romney if they really realized that President is only the smallest ambition this arrogant guy has, he actually wants to be a god of his own planet.
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Yikes 911avenger.
You scowered through his posts, and that is the WORST you could come up with??? He is absolutely right... he is just parroting Chaim when he talks about Jews loving and voting for Obama. We all say that all the time. If he said something other than this, I would probably be more suspicious.
his post about people not 'owning' land but being 'keepers' of a land is purely semantics, and he has a good point. The fact that he beleives that Jews should be keepers of the land seems to be even more appropriate.
People are not 'owners' of land unless they hold equity or ownership in it.... I.E. purchasing land. I personally think 'Keepers' sounds a bit more appropriate for the holyland.
By the way, if you scowered through my posts, you could probably find much worse things that I have said than this.
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Yikes 911avenger.
You scowered through his posts, and that is the WORST you could come up with??? He is absolutely right... he is just parroting Chaim when he talks about Jews loving and voting for Obama. We all say that all the time. If he said something other than this, I would probably be more suspicious.
his post about people not 'owning' land but being 'keepers' of a land is purely semantics, and he has a good point. The fact that he beleives that Jews should be keepers of the land seems to be even more appropriate.
People are not 'owners' of land unless they hold equity or ownership in it.... I.E. purchasing land. I personally think 'Keepers' sounds a bit more appropriate for the holyland.
By the way, if you scowered through my posts, you could probably find much worse things that I have said than this.
I don't understand it--how is it that I, a Gentile, am more bothered by so blatantly and ferociously anti-Semitic rhetoric than you, a Jew?
What do you think Chaim is going to say to jbeige's words?
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Ooops, I copied and pasted that, I wasnt even aware that AmericanHero was banned. I though he left because of some other issues. He definetely was not a saboteur.
Yes, I realized that you were only going with the originally posted names... I was actually responding to the post by 911Avenger in that part of the post.
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Chaim has been contacted. If Chaim wants me and others to back off and for us to all respect jbeige I will respect his wishes. That doesn't mean my view of him will change but I will accept whatever his judgment is.
But btw, I'm sure that Chaim can also tell you about what AH has done, cjd.
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I don't understand it--how is it that I, a Gentile, am more bothered by so blatantly and ferociously anti-Semitic rhetoric than you, a Jew?
What do you think Chaim is going to say to jbeige's words?
What anti-Semitic rhetoric? It's a well know fact that Jews vote overwhelmingly for liberal democrats and our sitting president... Chaim has said as much himself on several occasions... He has also said he is not sure what to make of Cain at this time.
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I don't understand it--how is it that I, a Gentile, am more bothered by so blatantly and ferociously anti-Semitic rhetoric than you, a Jew?
What do you think Chaim is going to say to jbeige's words?
Because what he is saying is TRUE about Jews loving Obama. I wish it were not, but it is true. I hate it more than I can explain. I hate that all my family loves Obama except me. I hate that they are members of Moveon.org It drives me nuts.
I guess the ownership thingy might be a bit over the line, not to me, but maybe to others.... But its certainly not a bannable offense... its more about semantics.
Listen, I am ideologically closer to you than I am to him. Ideologically, I DO NOT LIKE ROMNEY!!!! He is a phony and a Rino. I WOULD prefer Cain over Romney as president. I just think ROmney has a better shot... that is just my opinion.... and I hate Obama so much, I just dont want to gamble with this election.... if this were against Clinton.... I might think differently.
As far as Jbeige not fitting in here, if someone is a centrist, but is pro-Israel, I have no problem with them being in this forum. But as soon as I see sabotaging or intolerance towards our members... I will report that troll ASAP.
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Chaim has been contacted. If Chaim wants me and others to back off and for us to all respect jbeige I will respect his wishes. That doesn't mean my view of him will change but I will accept whatever his judgment is.
But btw, I'm sure that Chaim can also tell you about what AH has done, cjd.
I spoke to Chaim about AH at one of the JTF meetings some time ago I am well aware of the situation... As far as jbeige's post go some of mine are far worse than his you should report me in also.
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jbeige, questioning cain's ability to win the presidency is fine. attacking some of his policy proposals is also fine. the reason why you got attacked for it is that you seem to think that the main reason that cain is bad is that hes black. With statements like that, don't complain when 911avenger calls you a stormfronter, because thats what your statements sounded like.
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jbeige, questioning cain's ability to win the presidency is fine. attacking some of his policy proposals is also fine. the reason why you got attacked for it is that you seem to think that the main reason that cain is bad is that hes black. With statements like that, don't complain when 911avenger calls you a stormfronter, because thats what your statements sounded like.
I think its only human to consider that.... for the same reason many of us would avoid a black doctor... because we assume they only are a doctor because of affirmative action, etc. Avoiding black professionals isnt racism... its based upon 'adjusting' for affirmative action.
However, if thats the ONLY reason, thats certainly a bad way to prioritize candidates.
Also, there is NO evidence at all that he has some sort of black nationalist with an anti-white hidden agenda. He seems very sincere.... however I can't say that for certain because I don't know his stance on affirmative action, but I would assume he's against it.
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Briann: Jewish support for Obama is hovering around 60% right now. That is 60% too much but that's very low for a Democrat. You can't say that all Jews will automatically support BHO.
I also fail to see why Romney has a better shot of beating Obama than Cain. Cain will energize the GOP base. Romney will likely cause millions of evangelical voters to stay home or vote for BHO in protest.
Neither are likely to attract many crossover Ozombies but those who just might be won over might feel less guilty about voting for a black man.
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To be honest I even resent seeing Americanhero on the above list... He was a member that was very protective of our forum... I can't tell you how many times he gave me a heads up on problems saw developing on the forum... All he wanted was to be a part of JTF... Anyway I personally don't see what the problem with Jbiege's posts is but then again I haven't joined my local chapter of the N.A.A.C.P yet as it seems some of our other members here must have... It seems in recent months some of our members are more motivated in bolstering blacks and black issues than they are concerned for the well being of Israel and America... I personally feel this is a large distraction to our movement... The fact that Herman Cain is a black man is an important factor... As I said show me one or two black politicians ( President, Mayors, Governors, County Supervisors) that did a good job while in office... West is good but he is legislator. The track record for black politicians is very poor until Cain proves he is cut from a different cloth by taking some heat during the primary process I remain skeptical.
Speaking of Americanhero, you should know that when he came back as The Viper, Shlomo discovered that he said some pretty vicious, disgusting things about Chaim and another JTF'er in his private messages, which is why he got banned for the second time.
So while I agree that we have to learn to debate people and not automatically ban them, Americanhero is not the best example to give.
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I hope this isn't too controversial but I want to know where all the Romney bashing is going to get you when he gets the nomination. Romney is definitely going to get the nomination, that is a fact and lets not have that fantasy that anyone else is going to get the nomination.
How do you reverse all the damage you are doing to him?
If I was a guest coming on the forum and I seen all the Romney and Christie bashing I would say that Romney is terrible and just not to vote which you know what that will mean, another 4 years of obama.
I guess now I will be called all names for writing this.
How is it a "fact" that he'll get the nomination when he has only 25% of his own party supporting him so far. This race is far from over. Milquetoast Romney has a lot of work to do if he wants to win the nomination or come close to beating another Hussein-Stalin ticket.
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If the times comes when Mitt Romney wins the 2012 Republican Nomination for President, I certainly plan on voting for him against Hussein Obama in the general election. I'm even seriously thinking of campaigning for Romney, if he wins the Republican Nomination. While Romney is not remotely close to my first choice for President, another 4 years of Hussein Obama occupying the oval office is unthinkable. Especially with Obama never having to face the American voters again.
Of the candidates still in the race, Michele Bachmann remains by far my preference. Unfortunately, her chances of winning the 2012 Republican Nomination are remote at the best at this time. If Bachmann drops out of the race, I have no idea at this time who I would vote for in the New York Republican primary.
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Speaking of Americanhero, you should know that when he came back as The Viper, Shlomo discovered that he said some pretty vicious, disgusting things about Chaim and another JTF'er in his private messages, which is why he got banned for the second time.
So while I agree that we have to learn to debate people and not automatically ban them, Americanhero is not the best example to give.
Among other things, he referred to me as a "wetback" and Ron as a "piece of garbage whose donkey I will kick" on Yacov's forum. But that's not 10% of what he has said and done, believe me.