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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: wonga66 on November 03, 2011, 11:15:35 PM
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British Chief Rabbi Lord Dr Jonathan Sacks
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/149387
- a big Liberal, a big Anti-Kahanist, a big Court Jew, and big likka of
Leftist and Yishmaelitic tochuss!
(http://www.thepapalvisit.org.uk/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/media/images/speeches/pope-benedict-and-chief-rabbi-sacks/95407-1-eng-GB/Pope-Benedict-and-Chief-Rabbi-Sacks_medium.jpg)
video
http://matzav.com/video-uk-chief-rabbi-delivers-invocation-prayer-at-us-senate
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I'm disappointed in your wonga... Just when I thought you were improving in your character traits, you continue in your lashon hara.
Righteous Jews must not fall to the same level as our enemies. Righteous Jews should keep to a higher standard of thought and speech. While you may not condone or support these Rabbis you do not have a 'right' to speak with such derogatory language against them.
I am not aware that Rabbi Sacks has made any deals with the enemy, or has he betrayed the Jewish people. Actually my favorite personal Rabbi, who brought me into Orthodox observance, recently gave a speech based on the Torah of Rabbi Sacks. Hearing someone like you, who I strive daily to see the good in, makes me a little upset.
If you have a problem with this Rabbi, who holds a prestigious position and provides needed Rabbinic and spiritual guidance to a very large following, you should rebuke him personally. You can find his email if you try, and you should do your JEWISH DUTY which is to rebuke a Jew before you resort to lashon hara.
If I am out of line please EXCUSE ME... But we are studying Lech Lecha this week and I really want to learn how Abraham was so successful in his Kindness, and yet he was the mightiest individual we know of. The EMET is in the center, not swinging to far to either extreme...
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If sacks praises joe lieberman he can't be a good person.
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Sacks is a traitorous scum. I remember at the height of the second intifada he condemned Israel and Jews in general. And, he is not a real rabbi but a heretic pseudo-orthodox vermin.
Here I dug up what this piece of drek said on Israel in 2002:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/2218571.stm
Rabbi warns of Israel's 'tragic path'
Britain's chief rabbi has taken the unprecedented step of warning that Israel's stance towards Palestinians is incompatible with Judaism.
Professor Jonathan Sacks described the current situation in the Middle East as "nothing less than tragic."
"It is forcing Israel into postures that are incompatible in the long run with our deepest ideals," he told the Guardian newspaper.
His comments are expected to spark fury in Jewish and Israeli communities as they mark a sharp departure from his usual public support of Israel and its moves towards peace.
Dr Sacks said he was "profoundly shocked" at reports of smiling Israeli servicemen posing for photographs with the corpse of a Palestinian.
He told the paper: "There are things that happen on a daily basis which make me very uncomfortable as a Jew.
"There is no question that this kind of prolonged conflict, together with the absence of hope, generates hatreds and insensitivities that in the long run are corrupting to a culture."
The rabbi admitted he was convinced 35 years ago that Israel had to give back all the newly-gained land for the sake of peace.
He restated his support for the Jewish state, its moves towards peace and the Palestinians' failure to take the same "leap" towards compromise.
Dr Sacks, who has been head of the Jewish community in the UK and the Commonwealth for 11 years, has previously steered clear of commenting on the moral status of Israel's occupation of the West Bank and Gaza.
His predecessor, Immanuel Jakobovits condemned Israel for "lording it over" the Palestinians.
Iraq attack support
In the Guardian interview, timed to coincide with the publication of his new book, The Dignity of Difference, Dr Sacks says he would not rule out a meeting with Sheikh Abu Hamza, the fundamentalist Muslim cleric who leads the Finsbury Park Mosque in north London.
Dr Sacks also told the paper he would support military action in Iraq on three conditions.
These would be if there was a clear objective and endgame, a broad coalition of support and strict safeguards against civilian casualties.
The 54-year-old also revealed that he met one of Iran's highest-ranking clerics, Ayatollah Abdullah Javadi-Amoli, for secret talks during a UN conference of religious leaders in New York two years ago.
The chief rabbi's new book calls on orthodox faiths to realise that difference is an "essential" part of creation itself.
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"Before the Moshiach, most rabbis will be of the Mixed Multitude!"
(Divrei Chayim).
Although there are rabbis worse than Sacks, Sacks supported Oslo in
1993, he placedt Xtianity & Islam on an equal footing with
Judaism in his book "The Dignity of Difference" which got him in to hot
water in 2002; and now he addresses the US Senate demanding that "we
love our enemies"!
I suspect that Sacks, who never studied in a yeshivah, is deep down
literally a closet Xtian!
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"Before the Moshiach, most rabbis will be of the Mixed Multitude!"
(Divrei Chayim).
Although there are rabbis worse than Sacks, Sacks supported Oslo in
1993, he placedt Xtianity & Islam on an equal footing with
Judaism in his book "The Dignity of Difference" which got him in to hot
water in 2002; and now he addresses the US Senate demanding that "we
love our enemies"!
I suspect that Sacks, who never studied in a yeshivah, is deep down
literally a closet Xtian!
Maybe a qurananimal who knows
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Sacks was educated at St Mary's Primary School and Christ's College Finchley, Gonville & Caius College, Cambridge (MA)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Sacks
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There is some good stuff here. I posted it on the uk based Kahanist facebook pages.
Let it be known that traitors will be exposed.
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I have always had a couple reservations about Rabbi Sacks... First I don't like how he always precedes his Rabbi title with the British appellation of Lord.... Why would a Rabbi accept such an honor when the Jewish wisdom advises for a Jew to run from such honors... Secondly I read an article he wrote for A7 {for which he is now a regular contributor} in which he praised the arab rat Sadat. Ever since then I was wary of Rabbi Sacks.... Even when my Rabbi recently discussed some topics which he learned from Rabbi Sacks book I later, after the talk, expressed to my friend my reservation concerning Rabbi Sacks...
But I don't know the facts aside from what has been written here. I do know that Rabbi Sacks is no Kahanist. I hope that he will soon regret embracing the enemies of the Jewish people. I do believe that the Rabbi has a good heart and I give him the benefit of the doubt.
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I just googled for the article by rabbi sacks which upset me.... I found it here:
http://www.ou.org/torah/article/pacing_change
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Great leaders see the need for change, but not everyone else does. People cling to the past. They feel safe in the way things were. They see the new policy as a form of betrayal. It is no accident that some of the greatest of all leaders – Lincoln, Gandhi, John F. and Robert Kennedy, Martin Luther King, Sadat and Rabin himself – were assassinated.
A leader who fails to work for change is not a leader. But a leader who attempts too much change in too short a time will fail. That, ultimately, is why neither Moses nor his entire generation (with a handful of exceptions) were destined to enter the land. It is a problem of timing and pace, and there is no way of knowing in advance what is too fast and what too slow.
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Anwar Sadat is listed as a Middle Eastern Nazi Collaborator...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_Sadat
The second individual was Kemal Ataturk, who was the leader of contemporary Turkey. Sadat admired his ability to overthrow the foreign influence and his many social reforms. He also idolized Mahatma Gandhi and his belief of nonviolence when facing injustice. As Egypt was under the occupation of the United Kingdom, Sadat was fascinated by Hitler’s Nazi German army for their quick ability to become a strategic threat to Britain.[6]
http://middleeast.about.com/od/egypt/p/me081006b.htm
Enmity Against Britain:
World War II offered an opportunity to upend British rule. So Sadat worked as a spy for Edwin Rommel, the Nazi field Marshal in charge of Hitler’s North Africa campaign—out of opportunism for Egypt’s sake rather than any admiration for Nazi Germany. He was caught and jailed, and used that opportunity to learn German and English. Then he escaped and resumed plotting against the British. The assassination of a British sympathizer landed Sadat in court as a conspirator, but he was acquitted and by 1950 reinstated as an officer in the Egyptian military.
http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/missed.html
Even Anwar Sadat, a man deemed by many in the West to be a moderate Arab
leader, as a young man wrote the following words to the leader of the Third Reich, (whom he assumed was still alive and in hiding after the war):
My dear Hitler,
I congratulate you from the bottom of my heart. Even if you appear to have been defeated, in reality you are the victor. You succeeded in creating dissensions between Churchill, the old man, and his allies, the Sons of Satan. Germany will win because her existence is necessary to preserve the world balance. Germany will be reborn in spite of the Western and Eastern powers. There will be no peace unless Germany once again becomes what she was.1
Anis Mansour, editor of the Egyptian paper October and a Sadat confidant who accompanied the Egyptian leader to Jerusalem wrote: "The World is now
aware of the fact that Hitler was right, and that the cremation ovens were the appropriate means of punishing [the Jews].
Hitler's book, Mein Kampf, is still required reading in various Arab capitals and universities, and is widely distributed by others.
And who can forget that Nazi tie that Sadat wore to the negotiations:
(http://www.jtf.org/israel/ccc.israel.plo.egypt.sadat.begin.nazi.flag.tie.crop.jpg) (http://c.imagehost.org/0569/SadatNaziTie_1.jpg)
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There is some good stuff here. I posted it on the uk based Kahanist facebook pages.
Let it be known that traitors will be exposed.
Can this page be viewed by none-facebook-members ?
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Can this page be viewed by none-facebook-members ?
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Jewish-Defence-League-UK/231833770208343?sk=wall&filter=1
https://www.facebook.com/pages/EDL-English-Defence-League-Jewish-Division-Official/220366781308574?sk=wall&filter=1
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https://www.facebook.com/pages/Jewish-Defence-League-UK/231833770208343?sk=wall&filter=1
https://www.facebook.com/pages/EDL-English-Defence-League-Jewish-Division-Official/220366781308574?sk=wall&filter=1
Awesome. Do you think it is possible to post this on "rabbi" sacks facebook ? I see he's got one: http://www.facebook.com/rabbisacks
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I will post it but it will be removed and I will be blocked, only limited amount of people will see it.
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It is all there, but you may need to click on "Everyone (Most recent)" to see the comments.
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I hope he reads it !
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(http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/8714/kdl541.jpg)
You probably need to download it to see it properly, but it is the same as on the facebook pages.
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I think two of your posts have been removed.
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I think two of your posts have been removed.
No, I unfolded them in the picture. If you refresh the page you don't see everything.
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Is facebook going down on Saturday?
I will not know, I will not care... 1st, Saturday is Shabbat and I don't use the computer during Shabbat... Second, I never use facebook... I would not know if facebook is down... Maybe I will read about it on Sunday...
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-20129248-71/is-facebook-really-going-down-on-saturday/
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And Sacks' wife Elaine is another pseudo-orthodoxette Jewess who would
also benefit greatly from a few months in Gaza!
(http://www.langdonfoundation.org.uk/images/galleryimages/dsc_0077-f600x600.jpg)
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He has made a career out of sucking up to his queen and licking her boots, saying whatever she wants him to say.
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another pseudo-orthodoxette Jewess who would
also benefit greatly from
Keep your perversion to yourself.
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More drek & drivel from Sacks, attacking our Steve, and also firing off a shot at our boys in Judea! http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/149901
(http://a7.org/Resizer.ashx/news/319/215/303517.jpg)
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More drek & drivel from Sacks, attacking our Steve, and also firing off a shot at our boys in Judea! http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/149901
(http://a7.org/Resizer.ashx/news/319/215/303517.jpg)
What do you mean 'our steve'? Did you hear what Chaim said about 'our steve'? Chaim has stated several times that jobs was evil.
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Have to concur with muman there. "Our steve?" Lol
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According to this http://soulmazal.blogspot.com/2011/10/how-many-ipods-does-it-take-to-power.html Steve Jobs helped in both a positive and a negative way to hasten the Messianic Age by bringing the i-pad in to the Beis Hamedrash!
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According to this http://soulmazal.blogspot.com/2011/10/how-many-ipods-does-it-take-to-power.html Steve Jobs helped in both a positive and a negative way to hasten the Messianic Age by bringing the i-pad in to the Beis Hamedrash!
Another JTFer has cast suspicious on Rabbi Katz.... Now who are we supposed to believe?
http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,58412.msg525544.html#msg525544
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Another JTFer has cast suspicious on Rabbi Katz.... Now who are we supposed to believe?
http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,58412.msg525544.html#msg525544
You ask - "Who are we supposed to believe" as if this is a hard thing to figure out. We don't take things out of faith. We are supposed to use logic, sense (would says common sense, but see that it is not soo common these days) and the Torah in discovering the truth.
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You ask - "Who are we supposed to believe" as if this is a hard thing to figure out. We don't take things out of faith. We are supposed to use logic, sense (would says common sense, but see that it is not soo common these days) and the Torah in discovering the truth.
- And wonga why do you keep posting these types of things, is it trying to get a response by others?
Obviously, but we are supposed to create for ourselves a Rabbi, or make someone our Rabbi as per the wisdom of Pirkie Avot.
http://www.torah.org/learning/pirkei-avos/chapter1-6a.html
Chapter 1, Mishna 6(a)
Rabbis Versus Friends
By Rabbi Dovid Rosenfeld
"Yehoshua ben (son of) Perachia and Nittai of Arbel received the transmission from them [the rabbis of Mishna 4]. Yehoshua ben Perachia said, make for yourself a rabbi, acquire for yourself a friend, and judge every person favorably."
This mishna brings us to the next generation of scholars and the advice they offered to their and future generations. We are still in one of the earliest generations of the Mishna.
Yehoshua first advises us that we "make" for ourselves a rabbi. We discussed recently (Mishna 4) the role of the Torah scholar within Judaism. As we saw, a rabbi is hardly a religious functionary, conducting services at a synagogue, wedding or funeral, nor is he simply one who is asked to decide matters of Jewish law. A true rabbi is firstly one who serves as a role model for his community, who does not only teach G-d's Torah, but who lives and exemplifies those same values as well.
Second, the true Torah scholar is one who is imbued with the entire gamut of Torah knowledge -- and thus, he is the only one truly able to take that wisdom and apply it to real life situations. Life is far more complicated than ritual and religious ceremony. We are constantly faced with challenges -- struggling with our own natures and in our relationships with others. Many of the decisions we must make during our days and in the course of our lives are in reality religious by nature. Take for example our professional lives. How does the lawyer defend a client he knows to be guilty as sin? How does the psychologist deal with a patient who may be a danger to his family or to society? Say a patient (or close friend) confesses to having committed a serious crime or having a drug addiction? Is one obligated to turn him in, or does true friendship imply confidentiality? When may the doctor provide experimental or alternative treatment to his patient? Say an acquaintance calls during off hours for medical treatment or advice. Does the Torah obligate one with the appropriate know-how to help? How much of my employer's time (or paper) may I waste assuming it's understood (I hope none of you are reading this on work time...) -- or because everyone else does it? How do I deal with employees (possibly myself) who are in the habit of talking behind the boss' back? How much of my earnings must I give to charity -- and to which types of charities? How do I balance my career with family obligations, with Torah study, and with community involvement? And how should I *act*? How friendly and outgoing should I be to others? How much effort should I put in to mending a strained relationship, and when is it time to walk away? What is the proper manner of disciplining my children? How do I draw the line between parenting and butting in? How much respect should I demand of my children? Should I interfere with their every bad practice and association, or should I let them learn life experiences on their own? And how should I get along with my own parents -- possibly whose religious values differ greatly from my own? And am I obligated in their healthcare?
The questions are endless and ongoing -- and they are really what religion is all about. Far beyond what color yarmulke a person wears, these are the issues which truly define if we are Torah-observant and G-d-fearing Jews. And for such issues Israel needs rabbis. Virtually none of the questions above can be answered with a single verse or law in the Talmud. Our Sages had much to say about all such issues. There are priorities and considerations which must be carefully weighed and balanced. And the answers may very well not be the same for any two people.
http://www.torah.org/learning/pirkei-avos/chapter1-16.html
"Rabban Gamliel said, make for yourself a rabbi, remove yourself from doubt, and do not give extra tithes due to estimation."
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The focus of this mishna is slightly different. Maimonides distinguishes between the earlier message and this one. Above the focus was on having a teacher for the study of Torah, on having a rabbi to take the tradition and pass it along to the next generation -- and to you in particular. Here, however, the focus is on a rabbi to decide matters of Jewish law. Rather than using your own guesswork to determine what G-d wants of you, be sure to have someone reliable to deal with all of your questions. It should preferably be someone to whom you relate well, someone who understands your background and the particulars of your life and circumstances.
Equally important, one should adopt a single rabbi rather than choosing from an assortment. People are in the bad habit today of "shopping around" for opinions, searching until they find a leniency -- or a stringency. (Takes all kinds, you know.) The ideal, however, is to select a single and proper mentor for yourself -- and to submit yourself to his decisions. Who it is may depend upon your geographical location, schooling, synagogue membership, religious affiliation, or family ties (note I didn't mention favorite website ;-) . Regardless, each of us must find his or her own rabbi, and faithfully stick with him. And in so doing he will "remove himself from doubt:" his religious practices will be uniform and consistent.
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Obviously neither of these two are to be made Rabbis by any of us. I currently still consider Rabbi Kahane to be my main spiritual guide. I also count Rabbi Lazer Brody and Rabbi Chaim Richman among my trusted Rabbis. And I have three Rabbis I personally know who I consider to be good sources of Jewish wisdom...
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Obviously neither of these two are to be made Rabbis by any of us. I currently still consider Rabbi Kahane to be my main spiritual guide. I also count Rabbi Lazer Brody and Rabbi Chaim Richman among my trusted Rabbis. And I have three Rabbis I personally know who I consider to be good sources of Jewish wisdom...
It says make for yourself a Rabbi- how do you make it (choose)? Through faith or logic? (This is rhetorical).
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It says make for yourself a Rabbi- how do you make it (choose)? Through faith or logic? (This is rhetorical).
I agree with you to a degree... But when a Jew who has gone off the derek returns and is told that he must not mix dairy and meat it requires a certain degree of faith in order to follow the commandments. This is the whole concept of Chock, or a commandment which has no basis in logic or reason. If a Jew were to only do those things which made sense to him then many mitzvahs would fall away. The Chokim are there in order for us to demonstrate our faith.
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I agree with you to a degree... But when a Jew who has gone off the derek returns and is told that he must not mix dairy and meat it requires a certain degree of faith in order to follow the commandments. This is the whole concept of Chock, or a commandment which has no basis in logic or reason. If a Jew were to only do those things which made sense to him then many mitzvahs would fall away. The Chokim are there in order for us to demonstrate our faith.
I said within the system of the Torah. This is what I said exactly- "We are supposed to use logic, sense (would says common sense, but see that it is not soo common these days) and the Torah in discovering the truth.
This is obviously after accepting the whole system of the Torah, and not just bites and pieces.
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Sacks is a lacky for the Goys ! & lives in a fools paradise! >:(
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- And wonga why do you keep posting these types of things, is it trying to get a response by others?
That's basically the game he plays here.
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Wonga is half Jew and half troll.
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The British Chief Rabbi Sacks may actually like to hear Xtians singing Xmas carols in praise of Yoshki, but he doesn't actually have to tell us he does!!
http://www.jewishtelegraph.com/
(http://www.jewishtelegraph.com/images/AlexSalmondMSP3.jpg)
Lord Sacks told politicians and Jewish communal leaders at the Scottish Parliament: “Jewish and other faith communities love the fact that Christians celebrate Christmas.
“When I go to Trafalgar Square and hear carols being sung I feel uplifted.”
Asked about the secularisation of religion in Britain, he responded:
“We must recognise that for centuries, religious groups have had very little to do.
“All the things that they used to do have been taken over by some agency or other. I believe that religion now has a great deal to do to bring it back into the public space.
“The economic crash came about because of the cost of housing. People forgot the true values of the home.
“Religion has to come and remind us of the things that have value, but not at a price — the sense that each of us has worth and we are all precious in the eyes of God.”
“Yousaf Humza MSP asked if the Jewish community shared the fears of the Muslim community about the perception that the minority cultures were imposing their cultures on the majority.
Lord Sacks said: “It is the secularists who make claims on behalf of other religions that are very untrue.
“We are about to celebrate Interfaith Week and the big challenge is to bring the news to the public that the different faith groups get along together and enjoy being part of the British culture.
“We have to keep trying to get the media to make positive news. It’s always the enemies that portray religion in false colours.”
Later, addressing the Scottish Parliament, he said we lived in tough times but turbulence went deeper than the current financial crisis, the threat of economic recession and the political turmoil in Europe.
“The tectonic plates of history itself are shifting,” he went on.
“They are doing so because of the cumulative, accelerating changes brought about by new information technology, from the web to smart phones to instantaneous global communication, which will transform our world as profoundly as did the invention of printing in the 15th century.
“Our world is changing and we cannot tell where that will lead. We can, though, surely say what we need to negotiate that change.
“The key word is hope. Hope is often confused with another idea, namely optimism.
“They sound similar but actually they are quite different.
“Optimism is the belief that things will get better; hope is the belief that, together, we can make the world better.
“Optimism is a passive virtue, hope an active one. It needs no courage at all to be an optimist, but it takes a great deal of courage to hope.”
Hope, he said, was born when we saw ourselves as co-authors of our future, worked together for the common good and “for the sake of our grandchildren not yet born”.
He added: “It is one of the noblest tasks of politics in an age of change to sustain a vision of hope, knowing that what none of us can do on our own, all of us can do together.
“Hope alone has the power to defeat the politics of fear.”
Speaking at a communal meeting that evening about anti-Zionist and antisemitic incidents in Edinburgh, St Andrews and other universities in the UK, Lord Sacks said: “I view what is happening to be the reverse of academic freedom and it is totally unacceptable.
“When you allow the intimidation of speakers and a platform for advocates of hatred, that is the death of academic freedom.
“There are major issues on campus and I think we should practice zero tolerance.”
Lord Sacks believed his greatest achievement as Chief Rabbi had been in education, with 65 to 75 per cent of Jewish children attending Jewish schools today, compared to 25 to 35 per cent in 1991.
He added: “I wanted to be able to talk to society as a whole.
“I tried to develop a presence and I believe this has created an environment for Jews as a whole to be unafraid to stand up and say what they believe in.”
Following his visit to Glasgow, Lord Sacks attended a breakfast meeting at St Andrews University before going to Aberdeen, where he received an honorary LLD degree from the University of Aberdeen.
He was also a guest of the Aberdeen Hebrew Congregation.
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I'm sure this guy is a piece of dreck but how is Pope Ratzinger an Ishmaelite?