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Title: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: Chaim Ben Pesach on May 11, 2012, 01:24:19 PM
בס''ד

The Sodomites are claiming that our video is "hate speech". Because they are against hate speech, they are calling me a "kyke" (that's how they spell it) and saying they want me to take a shower (a reference to the gas chambers that the Nazis called "showers" during the holocaust).

Since zootube is so pro-Sodomite, they will probably remove the video. The Sodomites are all flagging it as "hate speech". I expected this.

In any event, you can join in the fight if you want to respond to Nazi Sodomites.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CozwFpMF7Eo
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: Rubystars on May 11, 2012, 01:33:11 PM
How can they call you hateful or bigoted when they say such cruel and disgusting things to you? Leftists I've found tend to be some of the most bigoted people around.

Just because animals do something as part of their nature doesn't make it natural for humans to do. Black widow spiders eat their mates to provide nutrition for egg-building after mating but this would definitely be evil if a human woman did this. When a male lion or chimpanzee takes over a pride or a troop they kill the babies so they can be the father of the new cubs or chimp babies. Infanticide when human beings do it is evil. So if an animal is created in such a way that homosexual behavior is a natural behavior for them, that doesn't mean that it's natural or morally right for human beings.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: Chaim Ben Pesach on May 11, 2012, 01:43:02 PM
בס''ד

Rubystars, as you know, leftists are the biggest hypocrites on the face of the earth. They are the worst racists, anti-Semites and fascists - everything they accuse the right of is just a projection of their own evil characteristics.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: Chaim Ben Pesach on May 11, 2012, 01:48:07 PM
בס''ד

What you write about animal behavior is true. Even if animals occasionally engage in unnatural behavior, that does not mean humans should imitate animals.

But despite the "gay" propaganda, animals rarely do what Sodomites do. You will never see two male baboons engaging in anal sex. Or two male dogs or cats or lions. Only demented human Sodomites are capable of that.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: Nekama on May 11, 2012, 02:12:33 PM
Chaim:

I just posted this comment on Zootube.

"Right on Chaim.  I guess that these radical homosexuals think G-d is a hater too.  By the way, I think the reason all these queers are so angry is that deep down in the recesses of their minds (and not their rectums) they know this is not normal and they hate people pointing it out to them.  Nekama!"
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: muman613 on May 11, 2012, 03:06:11 PM
I just posted this on that video:

I agree fully with what Chaim says here. He is not advocating hating gays, he is saying that Marriage is an institution which by definition is between a man and a woman, and society has been based on these principles for 1000s of years. What gays do is perverted and sick, and I don't approve of it. But they are free to do what they want in this country, and we are free to speak out against it.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: Moesia Superior on May 12, 2012, 05:22:09 AM
                     My dear friend, welcome to the club! The club "hate speech"! Trust me, you are honored! In this club, one of the members is Dante Alighieri!

WIKI QUOTE  Italian poet, prose writer, literary theorist, moral philosopher, and political thinker.He is best known for the monumental epic poem Commedia, later named La divina commedia (Divine Comedy), considered the greatest literary work composed in the Italian language and a masterpiece of world literature.
In Italy he is known as il Sommo Poeta ("the Supreme Poet") or just il Poeta. Dante, Petrarch, and Boccaccio are also known as "the three fountains" or "the three crowns". Dante is also called the "Father of the Italian language".
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                     Your fellow hater Dante, wrote a gem of the world literature, trilogy called "Divine comedy" It is composed of three parts, Hell (Inferno), Purgatory (Purgatorio), and Paradise (Paradiso).
                      700 years has been so, but no longer! NGO Bolshevik liberals have decided to burn Dante on the medieval stake! Accused of: Islamofobia, homofobia, racism!
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Gherush92 singled out some particular cantos from Dante's masterwork for criticism: Inferno's 34th, which tells of Judas, endlessly chewed in the teeth of Lucifer, and 28th, in which Mohammed is depicted torn "from the chin down to the part that gives out the foulest sound", as well as Purgatorio's 26th, which shows homosexuals under a rain of fire in purgatory. The work, it says, slanders the Jewish people, depicts Islam as a heresy and is homophobic.

"We do not advocate censorship or burning but we would like it acknowledged, clearly and unambiguously, that in the Divine Comedy there is racist, Islamophobic and antisemitic content," said Valentina Sereni, president of Gherush92, to the Adnkronos news agency. "Art cannot be above criticism."

             Art can not be above criticism? This is not a critique, especially not art critics, but disgusting, anticivilisational Bolshevik cultural genocide of the the most significant values ​​of Judeo-Christianity!

              So, someone can take so much freedom and courage (insolence) to burn books, to burn the Bible or the Torah or the greatest achievements of world literature as the "Divine Comedy". Reason-warped and perverted view of life and relationships between people? They hate! We in Serbia describe such people as follows; By noon they hate themselves, and from noon the whole world!
             Someone has a mom and dad, someone has two mommies, someone have two fathers, it's cute! is not it? Stultify the institution of family and its values​​, favoring promiscuity as acceptable and desirable lifestyle in the adolescent population, forcing homosexuality under the euphemism on the "sexual experiment" to emphasize the importance of suppression of masculinity, under the banner of "macho is out", etc. ..
              The objective of the Bolsheviks, the destruction of the family as the basic cell of every community, whether that community is based on the religious or social grounds. The best method for such an undertaking, is to pervert the to ridicule of all social norms. Deliberately emphasize "social" and not religious norms, because the social norms arising from religious heritage!

              Marriage, family, raising children are the most important of these norms and the pillars of society! These achievements are all protected by the laws of civilized societies. No one has the right, no legislation has no right to destroy society and its values ​​based on the the Millennium experience and heritage of our civilization. such a right does not have not even President USA!

My dear friend, you do not speak the language of hate, on the contrary!

        Something more about animal behavior, and how the gays justify his  lifestyle!


How can they call you hateful or bigoted when they say such cruel and disgusting things to you? Leftists I've found tend to be some of the most bigoted people around.

Just because animals do something as part of their nature doesn't make it natural for humans to do. Black widow spiders eat their mates to provide nutrition for egg-building after mating but this would definitely be evil if a human woman did this. When a male lion or chimpanzee takes over a pride or a troop they kill the babies so they can be the father of the new cubs or chimp babies. Infanticide when human beings do it is evil. So if an animal is created in such a way that homosexual behavior is a natural behavior for them, that doesn't mean that it's natural or morally right for human beings.

           Rubystars indicated some examples from the animal kingdom, which are really interesting! Ruby was very polite in selecting images from nature, which I will not be! With my eyes I saw a dog that eats its own excrement! I saw also on a farm, as sows eat their own living pigs! Whether this is colorful experiences be used as a model of human behavior?[/size]

Sorry for mistakes in spelling and sentence construction. Please understand because English is not my native language.
Greetings from Belgrade, Serbia
Slobodan
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: Rubystars on May 12, 2012, 05:37:26 AM
I don't think you're going to get a lot of sympathy for a work that contains any level of anti-Semitism, regardless of time period here on this forum, but it was an interesting point you were making anyway. He was right about the fact that Mohammed is definitely burning in hell though. I refrained from using as examples some of the more colorful activity of animals (which do just about everything imaginable as part of daily life). This is a family friendly forum or at least we should strive to be that way.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: Moesia Superior on May 12, 2012, 06:07:36 AM
I don't think you're going to get a lot of sympathy for a work that contains any level of anti-Semitism, regardless of time period here on this forum, but it was an interesting point you were making anyway. He was right about the fact that Mohammed is definitely burning in hell though. I refrained from using as examples some of the more colorful activity of animals (which do just about everything imaginable as part of daily life). This is a family friendly forum or at least we should strive to be that way.

                  As someone who is anonymous, getting "sympathy" is the last thing I wanted! I tried to put a critical emphasis on the unacceptable practice of European liberals and the Bolsheviks, and I became an anti-Semite! It is a little unclear to me! Where is that my Anti-Semitism? If so I figured, I'm sorry but I have not written anything against the Jews! On the contrary! In my presentation of this forum I sincerely expressed my opinions and thoughts about Jews and Israel, explicitly! I stand behind my opinions! Probably I am the problem. Once again I apologize to all the Jews that I have insulted whit  my texts.It will not happen again, for sure!
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: Rubystars on May 12, 2012, 06:12:29 AM
                  As someone who is anonymous, getting "sympathy" is the last thing I wanted! I tried to put a critical emphasis on the unacceptable practice of European liberals and the Bolsheviks, and I became an anti-Semite!

I didn't mean it that way. I meant if the book contains any anti-Semitism then people on the forum aren't likely to react badly to it being censored or to Dante being criticized. I wasn't calling you anything.

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It is a little unclear to me! Where is that my Anti-Semitism? If so I figured, I'm sorry but I have not written anything against the Jews! On the contrary! In my presentation of this forum I sincerely expressed my opinions and thoughts about Jews and Israel, explicitly! I stand behind my opinions! Probably I am the problem. Once again I apologize to all the Jews that I have insulted whit  my texts.It will not happen again, for sure!

Sorry I apologize for being unclear.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: Moesia Superior on May 12, 2012, 06:33:52 AM
I didn't mean it that way. I meant if the book contains any anti-Semitism then people on the forum aren't likely to react badly to it being censored or to Dante being criticized. I wasn't calling you anything.

Sorry I apologize for being unclear.

Apology accepted, sincerely!
"I meant if the book contains any anti-Semitism"
Ruby, this period was the Middle Ages! None of Jewish intellectuals would not occurred  to ask for the prohibition of "Inferno" over the fate of Judas Iscariot in Hell! This is artistic expression, peculiar to the times and circumstances in which it was created! "Inferno", is also in Israel  required reading in schools!



Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: Rubystars on May 12, 2012, 07:02:16 AM
I understand that part. It's just a really touchy subject for the forum.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: Moesia Superior on May 12, 2012, 07:20:32 AM
I understand that part. It's just a really touchy subject for the forum.

Ok, we understand each other! In a sign of reconciliation, I will give you a song i like!

Greetings,
Slobodan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JeEXP717T0&list=PL40DBDC27CDA1D9B8&index=18&feature=plpp_video
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: Rubystars on May 12, 2012, 08:01:56 AM
I listen to a lot of 80s music but that one's new to me.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: Moesia Superior on May 12, 2012, 08:19:06 AM
I listen to a lot of 80s music but that one's new to me.

I hope you like it! One of my favorites from that period!
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: Rubystars on May 12, 2012, 08:30:49 AM
I hope you like it! One of my favorites from that period!

It sounds pretty good
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: mord on May 12, 2012, 09:48:49 AM
This must be gay tony's comment   


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These people are stupid, ignorant bigots.

Typical religious lunatics.

Judaism, like all other religions, is false and unnatural, destructive and detrimental to society, and a perversion of morality and ethics.

Not even animals are stupid enough to have religion.and worship invisible nonexistent things.

TheAnthony8650 15 hours ago
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: The Noachide on May 12, 2012, 11:17:21 AM
Just when anyone thought this president can't get any worse.
Abomination must leave office and lose the 2nd term.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: ZionIDF on May 12, 2012, 02:17:02 PM
Powerful Speech.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: Dr. Dan on May 12, 2012, 04:46:37 PM
One person even remarked gay sex being natural and that the parts do fit
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: BritishSword on May 13, 2012, 06:40:31 AM
בס''ד


But despite the "gay" propaganda, animals rarely do what Sodomites do. You will never see two male baboons engaging in anal sex. Or two male dogs or cats or.......

uhhhhhhhhhh
well actually,

No, on second thoughts I won't tell people that story.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: JTFenthusiast2 on May 13, 2012, 05:36:24 PM
I've been responding to a lot of the comments of the fag activists that are trolling the video, I just found that one and responded.

Yes, but you respond with hate and vitriol.  You dont sound anything like Chaim or other JTF members.  Your hatred will consume you
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: JTFenthusiast2 on May 13, 2012, 05:53:29 PM
Actually this is fun, and my love for decency will consume me with a good time.  They are responding with hate and vitriol and I am giving them what they deserve to hear.

Unfortunately, and I don't think you believe it either, I dont believe this will be the case. 

They are responding with hate and vitriol and you amplify it, but not in a direction of justice. 

I believe Chaim responded with restraint, perhaps too much restraint, but your responses, at least here, are just venomous
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: JTFenthusiast2 on May 13, 2012, 06:22:24 PM
Hey now, if they spread AIDS, I should be allowed to spread a little harmless venom.

I think you're logic is a little flawed: everyone has spread that disease.  Besides your venom isn't 'harmless.'  I know you think your venom is a sign of your good nature, but I dont see how hatefulness as you express it brings any goodness into the world.  You do a lot of good through your translations of Chaim's videos.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: Chaim Ben Pesach on May 13, 2012, 06:39:03 PM
I think you're logic is a little flawed: everyone has spread that disease.  Besides your venom isn't 'harmless.'  I know you think your venom is a sign of your good nature, but I dont see how hatefulness as you express it brings any goodness into the world.  You do a lot of good through your translations of Chaim's videos.

בס''ד

Have you seen the comments on the video from "gays" who write "Hitler was right" and "exterminate the Jews"? Not a single "gay" who has responded has condemned those Nazi comments. How can we not hate people who praise Hitler and call for another holocaust?
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: JTFenthusiast2 on May 13, 2012, 06:45:13 PM
People don't spread AIDS just by virtue of being a regular person.  They spread it by engaging in risky behavior SUCH AS homosexuality.  If my venom is harmful, then that's a good thing because it's harming the right people, and that does good for the world just as it's good to give Muslamicists the verbal one two.

No Dan, people spread AIDS by not using condoms, refusing to get tested for diseases, engaging in premarital sex, and having no regard for their fellow man.  You can't just lump all of those factors up, nice and tidy, and call that homosexuality, as if that covers the whole she bang; it doesn't.    Muslims who actively try to kill Jews and non-Muslims or are part of creating a culture where non-Muslims live in Dhimmitude is very different. Gays do not in general walk down the street attacking other people physically or create a climate in which people will need to live in physical fear.  Now, I admit, this may be changing in that the extreme Left has many gays in it that seem to actively ascribe to nazi ideas.  So, on this one point, I think you and I would agree about what these particular individuals deserve
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: JTFenthusiast2 on May 13, 2012, 06:46:11 PM
בס''ד

Have you seen the comments on the video from "gays" who write "Hitler was right" and "exterminate the Jews"? Not a single "gay" who has responded has condemned those Nazi comments. How can we not hate people who praise Hitler and call for another holocaust?

Yes, Chaim, I believe my last sentence in my response above speaks to that and I'm glad you asked because in those cases, I absolutely agree with Dan Ben Noah.  In fact, it is an excellent illustration of the aphorism, 'those who will be kind to the cruel, will in the end be cruel to the kind.'   We should not and never be kind to our enemies, including these gay nazi Jew hating animals
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: serbian army on May 13, 2012, 07:39:29 PM
video:

http://www.rts.rs/page/stories/sr/story/135/Hronika/777876/Neredi+u+Beogradu.html

Serb nationalists protesting so called "Gay Parade" in Belgrade. Because of violent protest such shameful parade was banned in 2011.

(http://www.jutarnji.hr/multimedia/archive/00429/day_429499S0.jpg)

Transparent says "Defend Family"

Over 5000 policemen could not defend homosexuals on the streets of Serbia

(http://www.jutarnji.hr/multimedia/archive/00429/pol_429498S0.jpg)

Orthodox monks leading

(http://www.blic.rs/data/images/2010-12-30/104230_gej-parada--aleksandar-stankovic_orig.jpg)

(http://www.blic.rs/data/images/2010-10-10/80709_zfgfpruy_orig.jpg)

and once again NO TO SHAMEFUL PARADE

(http://www.blic.rs/data/images/2010-10-10/80693_fofsszih_orig.jpg)
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: JTFenthusiast2 on May 13, 2012, 07:42:17 PM
video:

http://www.rts.rs/page/stories/sr/story/135/Hronika/777876/Neredi+u+Beogradu.html

Serb nationalists protesting so called "Gay Parade" in Belgrade. Because of violent protest such shameful parade was banned in 2011.

(http://www.jutarnji.hr/multimedia/archive/00429/day_429499S0.jpg)

Transparent says "Defend Family"

Over 5000 policemen could not defend homosexuals on the streets of Serbia

(http://www.jutarnji.hr/multimedia/archive/00429/pol_429498S0.jpg)

Orthodox monks leading

(http://www.blic.rs/data/images/2010-12-30/104230_gej-parada--aleksandar-stankovic_orig.jpg)

(http://www.blic.rs/data/images/2010-10-10/80709_zfgfpruy_orig.jpg)

and once again NO TO SHAMEFUL PARADE

(http://www.blic.rs/data/images/2010-10-10/80693_fofsszih_orig.jpg)

Is your point that it's shameful for gays to march or that it's shameful that people felt obliged to spill others blood because of it?
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: JTFenthusiast2 on May 13, 2012, 08:03:38 PM
What I take from this is that Serbs don't suffer from political correctness as much as Americans do, and they just do what any normal society should do.

'Normal' democratic societies do not attack peaceful protestors, if these people were in fact behaving peacefully.  Anyway, I think we agree on at least one point cited above.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: serbian army on May 13, 2012, 08:30:03 PM
Maybe this is civilized and democratic for you?

Homosexual parade Tel Aviv:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJybC_bXeAs&feature=related
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on May 13, 2012, 10:37:50 PM
Lol.

I think it's absurd to try to justify these sex parades and homosexuality celebrations by calling them "peaceful"
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: Rubystars on May 13, 2012, 10:39:26 PM
Public lewdness should lead to being arrested.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: GunsAndRosesFan on May 13, 2012, 11:07:27 PM
If people like me were in control, these filthy creatures would be in concentration camps.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: Baltimore on May 13, 2012, 11:11:09 PM
(http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/theticket/newsweek-obama-gay-president.jpg)
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: Rubystars on May 13, 2012, 11:14:41 PM
That halo they gave him looks like one of those girly rainbow hula hoops. Also no, I'm not ready to eat jellyfish. I tried that last year. It was the most disgusting thing I've ever eaten. Taste and texture of rubber bands.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: Chaim Ben Pesach on May 14, 2012, 12:44:00 AM
video:

http://www.rts.rs/page/stories/sr/story/135/Hronika/777876/Neredi+u+Beogradu.html

Serb nationalists protesting so called "Gay Parade" in Belgrade. Because of violent protest such shameful parade was banned in 2011.

(http://www.jutarnji.hr/multimedia/archive/00429/day_429499S0.jpg)

Transparent says "Defend Family"

Over 5000 policemen could not defend homosexuals on the streets of Serbia

(http://www.jutarnji.hr/multimedia/archive/00429/pol_429498S0.jpg)

Orthodox monks leading

(http://www.blic.rs/data/images/2010-12-30/104230_gej-parada--aleksandar-stankovic_orig.jpg)

(http://www.blic.rs/data/images/2010-10-10/80709_zfgfpruy_orig.jpg)

and once again NO TO SHAMEFUL PARADE

(http://www.blic.rs/data/images/2010-10-10/80693_fofsszih_orig.jpg)

בס''ד

This makes me jealous of the Serbs. What a normal people! How I wish my people would react like that when Sodomites march in the Holy Land and desecrate our sacred soil.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: Sveta on May 14, 2012, 01:16:58 AM
It doesn't matter if any gays are against the video. Gays and lesbians are for the most part anti-Israel haters. Even though they would be persecuted and killed in ALL the arab countries and even though the only place they can be free to do their gay acts in Israel they are still supreme anti-Israel pro-fakestinian jerks.
So to hell with them all!
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: The Noachide on May 14, 2012, 10:40:07 AM
XD@the first gay president mag cover.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: JTFenthusiast2 on May 14, 2012, 07:51:08 PM
Maybe this is civilized and democratic for you?

Homosexual parade Tel Aviv:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJybC_bXeAs&feature=related

It's unfortunate that some people on this forum go into a maddened state when someone expresses the radical idea that no one who isn't trying to harm them has the right to not be beaten on the street.  And Chaim, if you felt that this was the way gays should be treated in Israel, you should have said that in the video.  I'm tired of being jumped on by people on this forum who dont actually read what a person writes, jumping 30 steps into things that they dont/haven't/wouldn't even think.  Somehow my comment that people should not be beaten to a bloody pulp gets turned into the idea that supporting the kind of nonsense that Serbian posted above.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: JTFenthusiast2 on May 14, 2012, 08:07:10 PM
It doesn't matter if any gays are against the video. Gays and lesbians are for the most part anti-Israel haters. Even though they would be persecuted and killed in ALL the arab countries and even though the only place they can be free to do their gay acts in Israel they are still supreme anti-Israel pro-fakestinian jerks.
So to hell with them all!

I think this is almost entirely true and it does demonstrate the evil intentions that many gays and lesbians have.  I do think it's important for gays and lesbians to have a place to go when they have decided that they do not want to act on their gay impulses.  We should never receive Jew haters.  I shouldn't have to say this given how long I have been on this forum.  That said gay Jews should be able to be supported to not act on their gay feelings without being called faggots, aids carriers, etc.  It's a very evil thing to turn those out who try and turn away from evil/amoral behavior
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: muman613 on May 14, 2012, 08:35:29 PM
I think this is almost entirely true and it does demonstrate the evil intentions that many gays and lesbians have.  I do think it's important for gays and lesbians to have a place to go when they have decided that they do not want to act on their gay impulses.  We should never receive Jew haters.  I shouldn't have to say this given how long I have been on this forum.  That said gay Jews should be able to be supported to not act on their gay feelings without being called faggots, aids carriers, etc.  It's a very evil thing to turn those out who try and turn away from evil/amoral behavior

I agree. I think that those who really are ashamed of their desires should do something to turn themselves around. They should know that their past is the past, and that we should be supportive of those who are willing to admit their failings.

This is true will all vices and addictions. We need to help those who seek help and not threaten so that there is an ego war. Addicts will often do anything to justify their addiction, so to with every 'evil inclination'.

Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: serbian army on May 14, 2012, 08:51:55 PM
nonsense that Serbian posted above.
Nonsense? I don't think you understand anything...

Well, this Serb was spilling blood for his country with a smile on his face.

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_JQEktudjGQo/TLRY3YKwuwI/AAAAAAAABhM/3btIl4KpAJs/s400/80813_pm19218_origh.jpg)

This :
Ordinary people protesting any public parade of sick homosexuals

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MUoWDXRXGPQ#!

Nonsense or not you will see Jews standing up against any parade like the one in video very soon.


Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on May 14, 2012, 09:00:45 PM
 Origional video by Chaim has been taken down. Anyway can someone please explain to me why this would make a difference? Either your against gays doing what they are doing or not (and i'm agains't homosexuality) why would them having a "marriage" license as they would call it make a difference? Its still the same homosexuality that is against G-D's laws either way.
Okay perhaps not having it more accepted, but besides that why such strong fight against this marriages, where in fact we don't recogize this at all either way.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: JTFenthusiast2 on May 14, 2012, 10:55:34 PM
Serbian,

Ironic.  The post of mine that immediately precedes yours discusses taking things out of context.  Then you proceed to do just that (again); that is, take things out of context by capturing one word, "nonsense.".  Incidently, you're not Jewish, nor will you ever be from what I gather, so to say that Jews will do this or that seems to be nothing that you will ever have control over.   I don't support gay pride parades, I do support people not being brutalized if and only if they are not brutalizers.  The basic rights to live free from terror, work, and be a productive member of society should be a basic civil right for any law abiding citizen. 
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: JTFenthusiast2 on May 14, 2012, 11:02:12 PM
The question is, if gays are such uber-G-d-haters as we have seen by the comments they leave on this video, then why do they really care about taking part in marriage which is a religious institution?  The reason is because this is not about a marriage contract, it's about them trying to crap all over our religious and moral heritage and force us to accept the unacceptable.


It's about them falsely equating their feelings of love for someone of the same sex as being the only important constituent for marriage. You can be vulgar and call it names, but this is the core exemplar of their faulty thinking.  Marriage is a religious concept and homosexuality is a religious abomination.  You can't have a religious concept of marriage which negotiates a verboten behavior (homosexuality) and a valued religious precept (marriage).  Homosexuals try to avert this by using the concept of civil marriage which flies in the face of the original (religious) idea; that marriage is a specifically sanctioned beneficial union between one man and one woman forever, a union that ideally produces children and continues the survival of the group.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: Israel Chai on May 14, 2012, 11:39:26 PM
quote someone else: 'Normal' democratic societies do not attack peaceful protestors, if these people were in fact behaving peacefully.  Anyway, I think we agree on at least one point cited above.

It's unfortunate that some people on this forum go into a maddened state when someone expresses the radical idea that no one who isn't trying to harm them has the right to not be beaten on the street.  And Chaim, if you felt that this was the way gays should be treated in Israel, you should have said that in the video.  I'm tired of being jumped on by people on this forum who dont actually read what a person writes, jumping 30 steps into things that they dont/haven't/wouldn't even think.  Somehow my comment that people should not be beaten to a bloody pulp gets turned into the idea that supporting the kind of nonsense that Serbian posted above.

If this was a protest, then it would be against straightness, and would require a far more violent response than that of our Serbian friend. As for people getting beaten to a bloody pulp, I think terrorists should until they give up the facts. Now that we've established a use for beating, we go to the spirit of the law which is inflicting a punishment that causes less damage than the offense. Here they have the homos in floaties dancing too, and it is not a protest either; it is a demonstration. An advertising venue, a celebration of their sin, an opportunity for empowerment vs. the normal majority and a glorification of their detrimental (to under-exaggerate) lifestyle.

If your son, mhmhmh jr., were to enter into a gay lifestyle after being dazzled by all the pretty colors of these shameful men, would then it be worth it to knock 'em all out? How about your neighbor's son? Freedom of expression (civilian) is a fundamental right, so granted they can go out alone and sing of how much they deserve hellfire from the rooftops (but not mine). Would they allow a kahanist parade? A bunch of Jews and sane people marching in a group demanding Jewish law and Arab expulsion? Those Serbian police would be arming the protestors to that.

Freedom of speech is not free; use it or loose it. Gays have used it in their vomitus voices without ceasing, and as a result have gained power, and seek to grow it. This is not freedom of speech. This is the government and population allowing streets to be blocked and homos to control a seemingly small, but of utmost importance to them, part of our lives.

Yes, homos can dress up like the princess Diana and I won't attack. To have them elevated on floats above me, controlling streets that belong to a majority that strongly disapproves of them, and allow them to not only have a chance to dress disgustingly, but do so in front of the impressionable and lonely (traits that are consequences of not the size of the city within itself, but the social isolation that comes with tolerating everyone and showing true kinship to none), or kids.

This isn't a trait humans are born with, so if you have to get into why anyone shouldn't defend their right to a civil society where abominable things are not shown to my kids, so them and their friend don't never have kids, and get a disease and lead sinful lives also. with however they ultimately die being not the worse part. I'm calling for a crackhead and pedophile parade down your street.

Obviously they can change, but you don't get over an addiction (which comes from a particular place) by saying how its OK that you did that, just now remember how you don't have too, and its gonna be such a good life/ good to leave your current life/ bla bla bla. You say, I HAVE A PROBLEM, bad, bad problem, I'M BETTER THAN THIS.

If you can say yes to muslims in Israel, you can say yes to every action they take in Israel (because either way g-d already said what he'd do to you) they take, so if you can accept homosexuals selling and spreading their thing, which on a scale of 1 to meteors is really that bad, I'm not moving next to you.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: The Noachide on May 14, 2012, 11:45:52 PM
Question: is there anything worse than a homosexual Muslim?
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: JTFenthusiast2 on May 14, 2012, 11:51:16 PM
quote someone else: 'Normal' democratic societies do not attack peaceful protestors, if these people were in fact behaving peacefully.  Anyway, I think we agree on at least one point cited above.

If this was a protest, then it would be against straightness, and would require a far more violent response than that of our Serbian friend. As for people getting beaten to a bloody pulp, I think terrorists should until they give up the facts. Now that we've established a use for beating, we go to the spirit of the law which is inflicting a punishment that causes less damage than the offense. Here they have the homos in floaties dancing too, and it is not a protest either; it is a demonstration. An advertising venue, a celebration of their sin, an opportunity for empowerment vs. the normal majority and a glorification of their detrimental (to under-exaggerate) lifestyle.

If your son, mhmhmh jr., were to enter into a gay lifestyle after being dazzled by all the pretty colors of these shameful men, would then it be worth it to knock 'em all out? How about your neighbor's son? Freedom of expression (civilian) is a fundamental right, so granted they can go out alone and sing of how much they deserve hellfire from the rooftops (but not mine). Would they allow a kahanist parade? A bunch of Jews and sane people marching in a group demanding Jewish law and Arab expulsion? Those Serbian police would be arming the protestors to that.

Freedom of speech is not free; use it or loose it. Gays have used it in their vomitus voices without ceasing, and as a result have gained power, and seek to grow it. This is not freedom of speech. This is the government and population allowing streets to be blocked and homos to control a seemingly small, but of utmost importance to them, part of our lives.

Yes, homos can dress up like the princess Diana and I won't attack. To have them elevated on floats above me, controlling streets that belong to a majority that strongly disapproves of them, and allow them to not only have a chance to dress disgustingly, but do so in front of the impressionable and lonely (traits that are consequences of not the size of the city within itself, but the social isolation that comes with tolerating everyone and showing true kinship to none), or kids.

This isn't a trait humans are born with, so if you have to get into why anyone shouldn't defend their right to a civil society where abominable things are not shown to my kids, so them and their friend don't never have kids, and get a disease and lead sinful lives also. with however they ultimately die being not the worse part. I'm calling for a crackhead and pedophile parade down your street.

Obviously they can change, but you don't get over an addiction (which comes from a particular place) by saying how its OK that you did that, just now remember how you don't have too, and its gonna be such a good life/ good to leave your current life/ bla bla bla. You say, I HAVE A PROBLEM, bad, bad problem, I'M BETTER THAN THIS.

If you can say yes to muslims in Israel, you can say yes to every action they take in Israel (because either way g-d already said what he'd do to you) they take, so if you can accept homosexuals selling and spreading their thing, which on a scale of 1 to meteors is really that bad, I'm not moving next to you.

 I dont mean this rudely, but I'm having a hard time following your post. I understand parts of it, but what is your main point?  Seriously.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: Rubystars on May 15, 2012, 07:23:30 AM
Question: is there anything worse than a homosexual Muslim?

Yes, a homosexual Muslim that's president of the United States.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: USAReturn2GodNow1776 on May 15, 2012, 07:47:46 AM
^ Homohammed

(http://www.chowrangi.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/Gay%20terrorist.bmp)
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: Israel Chai on May 15, 2012, 02:28:52 PM
I dont mean this rudely, but I'm having a hard time following your post. I understand parts of it, but what is your main point?  Seriously.

Several;

1. This is not a peaceful protest, this is a power struggle against the normal majority to encourage something that destroys lives and souls, and I'd much rather have black people parading and promoting thuggery and theft, then homosexuality.

2. The actions posted by the noble Serbian in this actual protest reflect a punishment that is far less severe than the damage one homosexual lifetime would cause.

3. This is a demonstration for the purpose of showing who's in charge. The liberals and their ilk are, and if there were a righteous parade of well meaning Kahanists, they would be attacked far more violently than these faggots, so remember who's side you're on; if you can't be in power, at least don't let your enemies be.

4. These types of parades are not for the gays' lives, they would be content in dark rooms and public parks. This is for the normal majority that disapproves of them, for them to either respect and "tolerate" them as they would their freinds, and to promote this life of sin and demonic servitude to all, and the more a product is advertised, the more it is bought.

5. If you can accept this, you can accept a crack smoking or pedophile parade, and ultimately deserve to be punished for what they have done if you can respect and tolerate them with their lifestyles.

6. You don't help an "addict" by trying to not be kind to them, by telling them its ok to do that, and just maybe it might be a wee bit better if you stopped raping girls and cutting them up. You tell them they're going to hell, that they need to stop, that they're a human being that can rise above these disastrous things, and that what they're doing is bad and making them into an evil person, so they must change because this addiction is not who they are (and indeed addictions are commonly identified with, so simply insulting the addiction will be taken as an offense, and therefore you're not going to make them accept what you say anymore by watering it down and sugar-coating it).

7. Homosexuality is meteors bad, which if not the act in itself that you consider harmful (though you should), we must all learn from and praise the actions of our Serbian friend for preventing something much worse with something mildly and temporarily harmful in comparison.

Now re-read the first post, and you'll get it. Or go to college.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: Dr. Dan on May 15, 2012, 03:44:08 PM
I agree. I think that those who really are ashamed of their desires should do something to turn themselves around. They should know that their past is the past, and that we should be supportive of those who are willing to admit their failings.

This is true will all vices and addictions. We need to help those who seek help and not threaten so that there is an ego war. Addicts will often do anything to justify their addiction, so to with every 'evil inclination'.


There is something we need to understand.  A man or woman with a same sex attraction will have a very difficult time changing to an opposite attraction.  And most likely, many will end up being alone if they don't want to sin on their tendencies.  However, where will they find love and intimacy if they are to be alone?  I feel that, someone who has a same sex attraction, but wants to live free of committing homosexuality, should be supported, loved, be compassionate to.  That person will need all the loving friends and family possible to keep him/her intact.

Am I correct about this?
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: Dr. Dan on May 15, 2012, 03:59:11 PM
Here is the problem encountering our future.  With homosexual relationships becoming more "legitimate" with allowing marriage between the same sexes, we are potentially creating problems for our children in the future.

Most of us here have made up our mind of what we are attracted to, but children who see "legitimate" relationships of men with each other or women with each other, will think they have a choice between the two even if they are still attracted to the opposite sex.

It's a very dangerous and selfish precedent to legalize homosexual marriage like this. It's going to be disastrous.
Parents who care about these things will not only teach their children not to speak to strangers, but will have to go out of the way and tell their children only to marry the sex that is opposite to them and that doing the opposite would be a terrible terrible thing to do.  I mean, do I really need to teach something so painfully obvious?  If I had a son to tell him not to kiss boys on the lips?!?!?!?  Or my daughter not to kiss girls on the lips?!?!?!?  Something so logical and I have to teach them that same sex things are illogical....

and until they are teenagers and older and if they realize they are different, then we take it from there.  I just don't want normal children to think it is not icky to kiss the same sex. I want them to think it is icky.  Now when they are young, they think the opposite sex is icky, but when they grow up they will think otherwise.

I don't know, it's a big mess.  I hope these pro gay activists get shut out completely.

Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: serbian army on May 15, 2012, 06:29:25 PM
I do not have much to add to the great posts by LocustKillingZealot and Dr. Dan but this:

first gay clubs, church of satan came next in CA, gay parade, nazi parade in Skokie 3 years ago, gay marriages...then we are going to have parade in support of Al Qaeda in NY soon, parade of pedophiles in upcoming decades, parade of abortion doctors...
where is the end of this??????????

(http://www.truthdig.com/images/eartothegrounduploads/2873984481_93fa1e7e55-300.jpg)

Move over Skokie Nazis, followers of the Rev. Fred Phelps have redefined the gutter of unpopular speech.

Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: Moesia Superior on May 15, 2012, 08:23:44 PM

                     When Belgrade resisted the so-called "pride parade", the whole EU and its senior representatives, Embassies of almost all "western" countries are condemned Serbia! Violate the rights of sexual minorities! Million dollar property damage, hundreds of injured protesters and gendarmes, and none fagot! Are still ongoing trial against anti fagot activist!
                     The problem here in Serbia is in the fact that literally all fagot associations are linked with so-called anti-war societies such as, for example, "Women in Black," HRW "Helsinki Committee on human rights." All queer NGO supporting Islamists in Kosovo and Bosnia, which is unbelievabl, an open advocate ban on public work of the Serbian Orthodox Church, all that attitudes  have nothing to do with the exercise of rights of sexual minorities!
                      Verbal aggression against religious people and dignitaries of the Serbian Orthodox Church, hackneyed atheism, pseudoliberal demagogy and inarticulate babble about human rights, unconcealed hatred towards religion and nation-state .... that are true characteristics of the so-called Serbian LGBT community! How much hatred in these people, it's unbelievable! It is a pathological state of mind of these people! By pushing a finger in the eye to the general public, simply have the state of depraved pleasures!
                     They try not to mention the Bible in schools, that teachers teach children that it is gay-ok, that children can have a mother and father, two fathers or two mothers ... disgusting! Serbian people that reject, no matter what advanced and "civilized" West is threatening! The people would understand LBGT organizations if their protest was against employment discrimination, violence against them ...
                   Demolition of all civil norms, derogating of the family as an institution, the imposition of teenage promiscuity, that are sick ambitions, against which we must fight! And even on the street if necessary!
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: Israel Chai on May 15, 2012, 09:41:17 PM
For the video, give examples in history where gay marriage has been instituted and the country destroyed, or gay tyrants ((ex. Uganda).
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: The Noachide on May 15, 2012, 11:02:25 PM
That pic is absurd. XD hateislam wins
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: Ulli on May 16, 2012, 11:50:37 AM
I didn't understand the copyright issue, why the video has taken down.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: Zelhar on May 16, 2012, 11:57:39 AM
I didn't understand the copyright issue, why the video has taken down.
Chaim explained it on this thread:
http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,61378.0.html
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: MurderReligiousJews on May 16, 2012, 06:48:42 PM
This is not a peaceful protest, this is a power struggle against the normal majority to encourage something that destroys lives and souls, and I'd much rather have black people parading and promoting thuggery and theft, then homosexuality.

Define and prove "soul". I think gay parades are stupid and obscene because of the type of clothes they wear and how they act is very anti-masculine. I have no issue with somebody who's not really close to me being gay though because it doesn't affect my life and I'm not a sexually-repressed evangelic moron.

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3. This is a demonstration for the purpose of showing who's in charge. The liberals and their ilk are, and if there were a righteous parade of well meaning Kahanists, they would be attacked far more violently than these faggots, so remember who's side you're on; if you can't be in power, at least don't let your enemies be.

I can agree with this.

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5. If you can accept this, you can accept a crack smoking or pedophile parade, and ultimately deserve to be punished for what they have done if you can respect and tolerate them with their lifestyles.

A pedophile parade would include Catholic priests if they were open about it. See how destructive organized religion is?

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6. You don't help an "addict" by trying to not be kind to them, by telling them its ok to do that, and just maybe it might be a wee bit better if you stopped raping girls and cutting them up. You tell them they're going to hell, that they need to stop, that they're a human being that can rise above these disastrous things, and that what they're doing is bad and making them into an evil person, so they must change because this addiction is not who they are (and indeed addictions are commonly identified with, so simply insulting the addiction will be taken as an offense, and therefore you're not going to make them accept what you say anymore by watering it down and sugar-coating it).

You can't really rise above sexual attraction. It's a biological thing. My biology professor even told us that a part of the brain has been showed to regulate sexual behavior. This might "degenerative" but it's biological nonetheless. It's a negative mutation when put in the terms of biology because homosexuals can't naturally reproduce. This means that they would die out without a child which is very anti-Darwinist and anti-evolution. Homosexuality should be viewed as a bad thing because it's doesn't help the human species evolute beyond.

But why you're against it is because some guy, who you don't know, wrote it in a book that you follow only because your family told you to. There is no hell.

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Now re-read the first post, and you'll get it. Or go to college.

Don't Christians hate college?
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: serbian army on May 16, 2012, 06:56:53 PM


See how destructive organized religion is?


There is no hell.

Don't Christians hate college?
:::D
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: MurderReligiousJews on May 16, 2012, 07:12:31 PM
^ Nice contribution.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: muman613 on May 16, 2012, 07:19:30 PM
^ Nice contribution.

You sound like you hate Judaism... Is that the case?


The Torah clearly is against Homosexuality for a reason. Just because you don't understand it is no reason to mock it. And just because you don't believe in a power higher than yourself doesnt mean that G-d doesn't exist. Freewill is a paramount attribute which ensures the proper function of the world.

And while Judaism doesn't believe in 'Everlasting Hell' except for those who are extraordinarily wicked, we do believe that the soul goes through a purification process for all the sin which it was involved in in this world.

The Torah commands us in many areas which may test the 'biological' norms. We believe human beings are not animals but we posses an animal body and a holy soul. We are tasked with rising above the 'biological' by being able to say YES or NO to various urges. G-d doesn't ask us to do the impossible.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: MurderReligiousJews on May 16, 2012, 07:33:11 PM
You sound like you hate Judaism... Is that the case?


The Torah clearly is against Homosexuality for a reason. Just because you don't understand it is no reason to mock it. And just because you don't believe in a power higher than yourself doesnt mean that G-d doesn't exist. Freewill is a paramount attribute which ensures the proper function of the world.

And while Judaism doesn't believe in 'Everlasting Hell' except for those who are extraordinarily wicked, we do believe that the soul goes through a purification process for all the sin which it was involved in in this world.

Just like every other religious person you assume that I'm attacking YOUR religion and not religion in general (which I was). I understand it clearly. I understand that we are taught to repress ourselves and kill people who don't observe the Sabbath in the Bible.

I was raised Jewish but I adopt Jewish nationalism instead. Jewishness is a great culture, but I don't actually believe in splitting seas, or talking to imaginary people. Religion has fueled death and hatred for a long time now.

But before you post anything else, prove the abstract concept of sin, a soul, heaven, hell, God, angels, devils, Noah being able to collect over 800,000 species of insects and separate them male to female without a microscope or any scientific training, Jonah living in a whale, etc. If you can't, then nothing you say that comes from your book means anything.

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G-d doesn't ask us to do the impossible.

God doesn't ask us to do anything. He's never asked me for anything. I would love to meet him in Central Park for a chat though. I'm sure it would be fascinating.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: MurderReligiousJews on May 16, 2012, 07:47:08 PM
If people like me were in control, these filthy creatures would be in concentration camps.

Disgusting. Hitler sent gays in concentration camps along with other "undesirables" and they died along with the Jews. But you're not Jewish are you? If people like you were in charge, you'd be hung in a minute, from all realms of society.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: MurderReligiousJews on May 16, 2012, 07:54:57 PM
secularnationalist,

1.  Coming onto a forum founded by Orthodox Jews and attacking religion with every post is suspect behavior.

2.  The Jewish nationalism we stand for has a religious basis and if you are a Jew that rejects Torah then you are a self-hating Jew according to true Jewish nationalism, because it is the Jewish religion that defines what a Jew is. 

3.  A secular nationalist would be something like a communist or a Nazi, or even the traitors that founded the State of Israel and kidnapped religious Jews' children so they could be raised by seculars.  If this is the mold you are cut from, what is it about our movement that attracts you?

NO. Zionism was attacked by Rabbis everywhere when it started. The early Zionists were all atheists, not just secularists, and "Orthodox" Judaism changes over time. I'm not a self-hating Jew, that's insane. I support Kahane challenging Nazis in the streets of Skokie, I think Jews need to be more like this. Not like the self-hating Hassids that believe that "Judaism" is just dressing the same and saying the same old prayers every day.

You don't defined true Jewish nationalism. Who are you to do this? There was even a movie showing the rift between secular nationalist Jews from Brooklyn and the hassids who were against the State of Israel. Whenever you see the Israeli parade in Manhattan, the majority of men there aren't in yarmulkes, and the Jews who are anti-Zionist from Crown Heights stay home with their black robes. You will never get the support of young, business-minded, men like myself with your Orthodox approach. Nationalism is a secular movement and we intend to keep it that way. There are barely any Russian Jewish nationalists like myself who believe in the Torah.

But again, none of this matters. What matters is if you can prove what you believe, as I require all people to do if they are to be viewed as intellectuals.

Question with boldness even the existence of a god, because, if there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear. - Thomas Jefferson.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: muman613 on May 16, 2012, 08:02:00 PM
NO. Zionism was attacked by Rabbis everywhere when it started. The early Zionists were all atheists, not just secularists, and "Orthodox" Judaism changes over time. I'm not a self-hating Jew, that's insane. I support Kahane challenging Nazis in the streets of Skokie, I think Jews need to be more like this. Not like the self-hating Hassids that believe that "Judaism" is just dressing the same and saying the same old prayers every day.

You don't defined true Jewish nationalism. Who are you to do this? There was even a movie showing the rift between secular nationalist Jews from Brooklyn and the hassids who were against the State of Israel. Whenever you see the Israeli parade in Manhattan, the majority of men there aren't in yarmulkes, and the Jews who are anti-Zionist from Crown Heights stay home with their black robes. You will never get the support of young, business-minded, men like myself with your Orthodox approach. Nationalism is a secular movement and we intend to keep it that way. There are barely any Russian Jewish nationalists like myself who believe in the Torah.

But again, none of this matters. What matters is if you can prove what you believe, as I require all people to do if they are to be viewed as intellectuals.

Question with boldness even the existence of a G-d, because, if there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear. - Thomas Jefferson.

Not all Chassidic Jews are anti-Zionist. This is more anti-religious propaganda... I don't think you really belong here at JTF if this is your opinion of religious Jews.


If you 'believe in the Torah' you believe that it is true, not just a document to put on the bookshelf. Read the Torah some day and learn about the Jewish heritage. Speaking evil of religious Jews is not a trait of a Jew.

Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: MurderReligiousJews on May 16, 2012, 08:08:20 PM
Ze'ev Jabotinsky was not a religion Zionist. Most of the right wing paramilitary organizations did not have religious Jews. I've read the Torah. Belief is the absence of rational thinking. I prefer if you prove this stuff before advocating that everybody must follow it.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: muman613 on May 16, 2012, 08:11:34 PM
Ze'ev Jabotinsky was not a religion Zionist. Most of the right wing paramilitary organizations did not have religious Jews. I've read the Torah. Belief is the absence of rational thinking. I prefer if you prove this stuff before advocating that everybody must follow it.

The proof is that we are here today as religious Jews despite the fact that self-haters like yourself are trying to destroy our Holy heritage. You have made up your mind that the Torah is just another book. But the fact that the Jewish people still keep the Torah, after over 3000 years, is a testament to the truth contained in these books.

I don't expect a self-hater as far gone as yourself to make teshuva, though you may wake up some day and realize the error of your ways.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: MurderReligiousJews on May 16, 2012, 08:14:37 PM
The proof is that we are here today as religious Jews despite the fact that self-haters like yourself are trying to destroy our Holy heritage. You have made up your mind that the Torah is just another book. But the fact that the Jewish people still keep the Torah, after over 3000 years, is a testament to the truth contained in these books.

I don't expect a self-hater as far gone as yourself to make teshuva, though you may wake up some day and realize the error of your ways.

Yak yak yak. Prove it or stop making claims of truth. You're stalling for time or something?
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: muman613 on May 16, 2012, 08:17:03 PM
Yak yak yak. Prove it or stop making claims of truth. You're stalling for time or something?

No... You are just thick skulled...
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: muman613 on May 16, 2012, 08:17:29 PM
It is futile for a Jew to believe in "secular nationalism".  First of all, all the secular movements are traitors to Israel because they don't think the land is holy.  Second, if all you want is a Hebrew-speaking Portugal then prepare to have both your country and your people eventually disappear into the dustbin of history like any other country.  The only reason Jews are still around today is that they had the commandments to keep them from assimilating.  Secular "nationalism" for Jews is really foreign-inspired suicide.

Dan I fully agree with you... I think this troll is heading for a banning...
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on May 16, 2012, 08:21:36 PM
Dan I fully agree with you... I think this troll is heading for a banning...

 I think not. He has valid concerns and the Torah can and does address his concerns. Perhaps direct him to a video showing the undeniable proofs of the Torah.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: muman613 on May 16, 2012, 08:23:55 PM
I think not. He has valid concerns and the Torah can and does address his concerns. Perhaps direct him to a video showing the undeniable proofs of the Torah.

I will consider this... I apologize for being so stressed out recently. I am currently working and several bugs have popped up which require my attention.

Upon your suggestion Tag I will look for some proofs. Although I still have doubts as to whether this secularnationalist will be open to learning.

I will first post Rabbi Mizrachis video which provides 'proof' of the Torahs truths:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2Z6p9UvXYo

See also how the Torah is compatible with Science:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7AIUn8VcjI
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: Ephraim Ben Noach on May 16, 2012, 08:25:49 PM
I think not. He has valid concerns and the Torah can and does address his concerns. Perhaps direct him to a video showing the undeniable proofs of the Torah.
I agree let him go!!
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: MurderReligiousJews on May 16, 2012, 08:27:45 PM
It is futile for a Jew to believe in "secular nationalism".  First of all, all the secular movements are traitors to Israel because they don't think the land is holy.  Second, if all you want is a Hebrew-speaking Portugal then prepare to have both your country and your people eventually disappear into the dustbin of history like any other country.  The only reason Jews are still around today is that they had the commandments to keep them from assimilating.  Secular "nationalism" for Jews is really foreign-inspired suicide.

I actually agree. The anti-assimilation attitudes might have helped Jews survive as an ethnicity.

You see, from your religious views, you actually created an ethnicity for us. Now Jews can be Jewish ethnicity and not religiously. This is all due to breeding with your own kind that the hassids did. Thanks guys.

The fact that you think true nationalism is somehow "self hating" is weird. Zionism is based on ethnonationalism, not religion, although it might have been inspired by religion. But Ze'ev didn't actually believe that stuff. It was laughable to him.

Religious Jews have turned a warrior tribe like the Jews into a fantasy. The story of Hanukkah was originally about a war that the Jews won against the Greco-Syrians. Now it's about oil lasting for eight days. Passover was about us rising out of slavery and defeating the Egyptians, but instead of celebrating the war, we celebrate the slavery. An ethnonationalist like me cannot logically be self hating to his own ethnicity.

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Although I still have doubts as to whether this secularnationalist will be open to learning.

I'm open to everything. The law of science is that there are no absolutes. I'm a scientist in training. I'm also not a troll. I have been browsing the forums and decided to join. I currently debate at another political forum and most members, whether right, left, center, are nonreligious.

On the other hand I'm not wasting 2 hours again. Please summarize everything quickly so I can even decide if it's worth watching?
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: muman613 on May 16, 2012, 08:29:38 PM
I actually agree. The anti-assimilation attitudes might have helped Jews survive as an ethnicity.

You see, from your religious views, you actually created an ethnicity for us. Now Jews can be Jewish ethnicity and not religiously. This is all due to breeding with your own kind that the hassids did. Thanks guys.

The fact that you think true nationalism is somehow "self hating" is weird. Zionism is based on ethnonationalism, not religion, although it might have been inspired by religion. But Ze'ev didn't actually believe that stuff. It was laughable to him.

Religious Jews have turned a warrior tribe like the Jews into a fantasy. The story of Hanukkah was originally about a war that the Jews won against the Greco-Syrians. Now it's about oil lasting for eight days. Passover was about us rising out of slavery and defeating the Egyptians, but instead of celebrating the war, we celebrate the slavery. An ethnonationalist like me cannot logically be self hating to his own ethnicity.

I'm open to everything. The law of science is that there are no absolutes. I'm a scientist in training. I'm also not a troll. I have been browsing the forums and decided to join. I currently debate at another political forum and most members, whether right, left, center, are nonreligious.

On the other hand I'm not wasting 2 hours again. Please summarize everything quickly so I can even decide if it's worth watching?

Your understanding of Jewish holidays is lacking...

1) Passover was not a celebration of a war. The Jews did not fight the Egyptians {Read Exodus for heavens sake}. Hashem redeemed the Jewish people from Egypt because of his promise to Abraham.

The Torah clearly says the following:
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Training in foreign martial arts is not the fulfillment of this Torah principle:  The Bible is replete with negative examples of kings and armies who were defeated due to their fighting in the G-dless manner of gentiles:  They trusted in pure military strength alone, with the corrupt belief in "my strength and the might of my hand." (Deut. 8:17) Ultimately it is by the blessing of HaShem that  wars are won; not physical might.  Sadly, today's widely-marketed martial arts are all taught in this same G-dless mindset, and/or they are the customs of idolatry, or even idolatry in and of themselves.  Besides the legal and spiritual implications, they are taught as sport or past-time: they cannot provide the deadly effectiveness and comprehensive scope of the authentic Hebrew warrior tradition, together with its unique, ancient Torah wisdom and proper spiritual focus.  That is aside from the special health and exercise benefits for young and old that are unique to Abir/Qesheth.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: MurderReligiousJews on May 16, 2012, 08:42:10 PM
No Jews can't be an ethnic group with no religion because there is no way to define a Jew without their religion.  Jews come to Israel from all sorts of different cultures, races, backgrounds, and ethnic groups.  Which one is the "Jewish" ethnic group?"  The only thing they have in common that unites them is the commandments of G-d.  The religious Zionists in Israel are not pacifists, they actually want to ultimately take Israel over from the secular Zionists.  And eventually they will succeed because even though secularists are the ones most obsessed with sex, it is the religious who have them beat in actual breeding.  Nowadays it is not like it was at the founding of Israel, nowadays the secular Jews are the traitors because secularism is being taken to its logical conclusion which is lack of morals/standards and nothing to fight for.

Are you a Jew? This is a very Nazi-esque statement. The Nazis believe that Jews aren't ethnically Jewish. On the other hand, because of breeding practices, there is a Jewish ethnicity. Jews are semites. Am I a Russian ethically if I'm not an ethnic Jew? Am I a Slav not a Semite?

Pretty much everybody except the neo-nazis and Muslims believe in a Jewish ethnicity. Israel is an ethnonationalist state and most agree. I believe that it's a good thing. Leftists don't. There is the difference. If you want to present Zionism as "God promised this to us" then it will never be accepted by anybody who's even remotely intellectual. We have the land because we are strong enough to win the wars.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: muman613 on May 16, 2012, 08:47:35 PM
Are you a Jew? This is a very Nazi-esque statement. The Nazis believe that Jews aren't ethnically Jewish. On the other hand, because of breeding practices, there is a Jewish ethnicity. Jews are semites. Am I a Russian ethically if I'm not an ethnic Jew? Am I a Slav not a Semite?

Pretty much everybody except the neo-nazis and Muslims believe in a Jewish ethnicity. Israel is an ethnonationalist state and most agree. I believe that it's a good thing. Leftists don't. There is the difference. If you want to present Zionism as "G-d promised this to us" then it will never be accepted by anybody who's even remotely intellectual. We have the land because we are strong enough to win the wars.

The Romans beat us... Why was this? So maybe we have no right to the land? No... This is the fallacy of those who do not believe that the Jewish people have an inalienable right to the land which was promised to our forefathers. I assume you would have been happy if the state of Israel existed in Uganda... Why should the Jews have the Holy Land?



Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: USAReturn2GodNow1776 on May 16, 2012, 08:57:08 PM
maybe the neo-nazis of today deny the existence of a Jewish ethnicity. But the original nazis would never have done that.  :fist: :usa:
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on May 16, 2012, 09:04:43 PM
"Religious Jews have turned a warrior tribe like the Jews into a fantasy. The story of Hanukkah was originally about a war that the Jews won against the Greco-Syrians. Now it's about oil lasting for eight days. Passover was about us rising out of slavery and defeating the Egyptians, but instead of celebrating the war, we celebrate the slavery. An ethnonationalist like me cannot logically be self hating to his own ethnicity."

 That was and is due to the galut. Rav Bar-Hayim talks about it at lenght (you obviously have questions yet don't have the time to learn).
 And the origional fight during Hannukah wasn't only against the Greeks, it was against the Jewish Hellinists as well. Soo what are you celebrating? The first person Matityahu killed was a Jewish traitor. And they (the Maccabees) established a Jewish society once they got ride of the Greeks and the Jewish Hellinists who threw off the yoke of Torah and Mitzwoth.
 
 And if you were an honest person and actually had questions on the Torah you would take the time to look over the proofs that Muman presented to you. you don't have 2 hours? Fine at least invest 1/2 an hour (for example on the first video skipp 1 hour and from there listen for 1/2 an hour) Do something, but don't throw around your questions yett not be willing to listen to the answers. That is hypocritical.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on May 16, 2012, 09:11:35 PM
How absurd
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: JTFenthusiast2 on May 16, 2012, 09:15:43 PM
How absurd

What's with you and the one-liners lately :o) ?
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: serbian army on May 16, 2012, 09:36:26 PM
Secularnationalist

I can understand you. Your parents are from Russia. They were probably members of Communist Party and very educated. You seem like a smart guy but just not religious. First, you do not want to understand other's perspective or learn about your religion.
Judaism and Jewish people are one body that can't be separated. Serbs do not exist without Serbian Orthodox Church. Everything that is in our history involves our church. Some Serbs did not think this way and converted to Islam in Bosnia. Original idea was to live better as a muslim and stay Serb. Now they want to form their own nation because they are outcasts from the nation they came from.

Religion is what connected Jewish people for thousands of years. You will never change that. Without Judaism you do not have an identity nor respect from me....
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: MurderReligiousJews on May 16, 2012, 09:49:59 PM
Secularnationalist

I can understand you. Your parents are from Russia. They were probably members of Communist Party and very educated. You seem like a smart guy but just not religious. First, you do not want to understand other's perspective or learn about your religion.
Judaism and Jewish people are one body that can't be separated. Serbs do not exist without Serbian Orthodox Church. Everything that is in our history involves our church. Some Serbs did not think this way and converted to Islam in Bosnia. Original idea was to live better as a muslim and stay Serb. Now they want to form their own nation because they are outcasts from the nation they came from.

Religion is what connected Jewish people for thousands of years. You will never change that. Without Judaism you do not have an identity nor respect from me....

My parents were not Communist. My father is religious and is a Reagan Conservative. I'm not trying to make fun of religion. I just doubt that most of this stuff is real because it has been proven many times to be false.

I respect Serbs and I know Atheist Serbs as well. They don't hate their church. They just don't believe in it.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on May 16, 2012, 09:58:13 PM
Ze'ev Jabotinsky was not a religion Zionist.

So what?  David Raziel was.  So was Begin in his own way.  What's your point?

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Most of the right wing paramilitary organizations did not have religious Jews.
. That's simply not true.  Many of the revisionist zionists were religious including some chassidim, and a large portion of the stern gang and irgun Jewish Underground weere religious Jews (along side seculars).   You are misinformed by ignorant propaganda.

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I've read the Torah. Belief is the absence of rational thinking. I prefer if you prove this stuff before advocating that everybody must follow it.

G-d gave us proof at Har Sinai when our ancestors became bound in this covenant, that is all the proof we need.  We cannot demand that G-d replicate that experience for the skeptics of every generation.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: Ephraim Ben Noach on May 16, 2012, 10:02:30 PM


G-d gave us proof at Har Sinai when our ancestors became bound in this covenant, that is all the proof we need.  We cannot demand that G-d replicate that experience for the skeptics of every generation.
AMEN!!
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on May 16, 2012, 10:04:20 PM
What's with you and the one-liners lately :o) ?

Oh have I done that a lot lately?  I only read some of the bashing of religious people in this thread and reacted viscerally w that brief one-liner cause I posted from a mobile device and did not have time to go into detail at that time.  I have since elaborated a bit more in this thread.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: MurderReligiousJews on May 16, 2012, 10:16:15 PM
What's your point?

That I'm a Zionist in the way of Jabotinsky and that doesn't make me a self-hating Jew or a traitor at all.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: Dr. Dan on May 16, 2012, 10:21:57 PM
Yak yak yak. Prove it or stop making claims of truth. You're stalling for time or something?

Begin was a secular nationalist.  And in the end he gave up the Sinai.

Only religious zionists and Torah Jews can understand the grave soon of giving land away.
Secularnationalist, you will never stand a chance without the truth the Torah brings.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: Dr. Dan on May 16, 2012, 10:27:43 PM
Yak yak yak. Prove it or stop making claims of truth. You're stalling for time or something?

Do you have a brain?  If so, prove it.  Have you ever seen it?
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: MurderReligiousJews on May 16, 2012, 10:41:29 PM
Okay. All humans must have a brain to be alive as it controls everything. The brain sends signals to all parts of the body. If anybody is alive, they have a brain, and photographic proof can be found with an Xray. Try again.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: serbian army on May 16, 2012, 10:48:23 PM
Secularnationalist

Do you know anything about Nikola Tesla? He is one of the greatest scientists of all times. You could not imagine modern world without his inventions. Yet, he believed in God!!!! When you want to talk somebody down with story about Xrays just think about Tesla who was main contributor to that technology and yet son of Serb priest who believed in God...

Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: JTFenthusiast2 on May 16, 2012, 10:51:34 PM
Secularnationalist

Do you know anything about Nikola Tesla? He is one of the greatest scientists of all times. You could not imagine modern world without his inventions. Yet, he believed in G-d!!!! When you want to talk somebody down with story about Xrays just think about Tesla who was main contributor to that technology and yet son of Serb priest who believed in G-d...

I dont want to tell you the sad story of Tesla's sexual orientation
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: serbian army on May 16, 2012, 10:58:00 PM
He never got married which does not mean what you are trying to say....you should be ashamed:

In an interview, asked if artists and scientists should get married, Tesla said: "Artist, yes; musician, yes; inventor, no. The former two can get inspiration from the woman's influence and reach their finest work through love, but inventor's nature is so forceful, so wild and passionate, that by giving himself to a woman, he would give everything and nothing would be left for his chosen field. I doubt that you can name many inventors who were married" responded Tesla to the journalist. And then, after a brief pause, not without sadness, he added "And that is a shame, as we are sometimes so lonely".
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on May 16, 2012, 11:12:11 PM
That I'm a Zionist in the way of Jabotinsky and that doesn't make me a self-hating Jew or a traitor at all.

Jabotinsky respected religious Jews (like Rabbi Kahane's father an orthodox rabbi who was personal friends with him).  He didn't defame them.   You are trashing all religious people.  Your claim to follow Jabotinsky is a joke.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on May 16, 2012, 11:19:05 PM
Raziel was a shabbath observant commander of the Irgun prior to Begin.  He heroically set off bombs against the arabs as reprisals for their terror attacks on the Jewish community.  So your claim that jewish nationalism is defined by the exile-ghetto mentality secular zionists is completely false.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: Zelhar on May 17, 2012, 04:37:35 AM
That I'm a Zionist in the way of Jabotinsky and that doesn't make me a self-hating Jew or a traitor at all.
You mean you are an American nationalist of Jewish ethnicity ?
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: Rubystars on May 17, 2012, 07:36:40 AM
I dont want to tell you the sad story of Tesla's sexual orientation

LOL
(http://www.loupiote.com/burningman/photos_m/18314203-tesla-coil-burning-man.jpg) (http://www.loupiote.com/burningman/photos/18314203.shtml)

Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: Moesia Superior on May 17, 2012, 08:18:18 AM
I dont want to tell you the sad story of Tesla's sexual orientation

What you want to tell with that?
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: Dr. Dan on May 17, 2012, 01:56:23 PM
Okay. All humans must have a brain to be alive as it controls everything. The brain sends signals to all parts of the body. If anybody is alive, they have a brain, and photographic proof can be found with an Xray. Try again.

Have you ever seen your brain?  Prove it.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: serbian army on May 17, 2012, 05:05:34 PM

I'm open to everything. The law of science is that there are no absolutes. I'm a scientist in training.
An excerpt from Tesla autobiography :
"One day, as I was roaming the mountains, I sought shelter from an approaching storm. The sky became overhung with heavy clouds, but somehow the rain was delayed until, all of a sudden, there was a lightening flash and a few moments after, a deluge. This observation set me thinking. It was manifest that the two phenomena were closely related, as cause and effect, and a little reflection led me to the conclusion that the electrical energy involved in the precipitation of the water was inconsiderable, the function of the lightening being much like that of a sensitive trigger. Here was a stupendous possibility of achievement. If we could produce electric effects of the required quality, this whole planet and the conditions of existence on it could be transformed. The sun raises the water of the oceans and winds drive it to distant regions where it remains in a state of most delicate balance. If it were in our power to upset it when and wherever desired, this might life sustaining stream could be at will controlled. We could irrigate arid deserts, create lakes and rivers, and provide motive power in unlimited amounts. This would be the most efficient way of harnessing the sun to the uses of man. The consummation depended on our ability to develop electric forces of the order of those in nature.

It seemed a hopeless undertaking, but I made up my mind to try it and immediately on my return to the United States in the summer of 1892, after a short visit to my friends in Watford, England; work was begun which was to me all the more attractive, because a means of the same kind was necessary for the successful transmission of energy without wires. At this time I made a further careful study of the Bible, and discovered the key in Revelation. The first gratifying result was obtained in the spring of the succeeding year, when I reaching a tension of about 100,000,000 volts—one hundred million volts -- with my conical coil, which I figured was the voltage of a flash of lightening. Steady progress was made until the destruction of my laboratory by fire, in 1895, as may be judged from an article by T.C. Martin which appeared in the April number of the Century Magazine. This calamity set me back in many ways and most of that year had to be devoted to planning and reconstruction. However, as soon as circumstances permitted, I returned to the task."

Nikola Tesla about Moses:

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Tesla, in the article "The fairy tale of electricity" (published September 9, 1915), stated in regards to the Ark:
The records, though scanty, are of a nature to fill us with conviction that a few initiated, at least, had a deeper knowledge of amber phenomena. To mention one, Moses was undoubtedly a practical and skillful electrician far in advance of his time. The Bible describes precisely, and minutely, arrangements constituting a machine in which electricity was generated by friction of air against silk curtains, and stored in a box constructed like a condenser. It is very plausible to assume that the sons of Aaron were killed by a high-tension discharge, and that the vestal fires of the Romans were electrical.

I guess you are smarter than the greatest scientist of all?

Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: muman613 on May 17, 2012, 05:34:56 PM
An excerpt from Tesla autobiography :
"One day, as I was roaming the mountains, I sought shelter from an approaching storm. The sky became overhung with heavy clouds, but somehow the rain was delayed until, all of a sudden, there was a lightening flash and a few moments after, a deluge. This observation set me thinking. It was manifest that the two phenomena were closely related, as cause and effect, and a little reflection led me to the conclusion that the electrical energy involved in the precipitation of the water was inconsiderable, the function of the lightening being much like that of a sensitive trigger. Here was a stupendous possibility of achievement. If we could produce electric effects of the required quality, this whole planet and the conditions of existence on it could be transformed. The sun raises the water of the oceans and winds drive it to distant regions where it remains in a state of most delicate balance. If it were in our power to upset it when and wherever desired, this might life sustaining stream could be at will controlled. We could irrigate arid deserts, create lakes and rivers, and provide motive power in unlimited amounts. This would be the most efficient way of harnessing the sun to the uses of man. The consummation depended on our ability to develop electric forces of the order of those in nature.

It seemed a hopeless undertaking, but I made up my mind to try it and immediately on my return to the United States in the summer of 1892, after a short visit to my friends in Watford, England; work was begun which was to me all the more attractive, because a means of the same kind was necessary for the successful transmission of energy without wires. At this time I made a further careful study of the Bible, and discovered the key in Revelation. The first gratifying result was obtained in the spring of the succeeding year, when I reaching a tension of about 100,000,000 volts—one hundred million volts -- with my conical coil, which I figured was the voltage of a flash of lightening. Steady progress was made until the destruction of my laboratory by fire, in 1895, as may be judged from an article by T.C. Martin which appeared in the April number of the Century Magazine. This calamity set me back in many ways and most of that year had to be devoted to planning and reconstruction. However, as soon as circumstances permitted, I returned to the task."

Nikola Tesla about Moses:

I guess you are smarter than the greatest scientist of all?

I don't buy this teslas interpretation of our Torah.

Nadav and Avihu were not killed by electrocution. His interpretation of events is completely secular. There is no Divine Providence in his explanation. It basically is calling Moses a fraud...

Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: serbian army on May 17, 2012, 06:29:57 PM
What was a strange fire then?
I am open to Tesla's interpretation. He does not insult anyone and I try not to insult anyone. He knew Bible word by word as his father was priest and on his mother side 8 generations of priest grandfathers...Maybe he is wrong in his interpretation but he believed in God.

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By God's providence, Moses-- the child of a Hebrew slave-- was found and adopted by an Egyptian princess, the daughter of the Pharaoh himself. He was reared  in the royal court as a prince of the Egyptians: "And Moses was learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians, and was mighty in words and deeds" (Acts 7:22). At the same time the Lord determined that Moses should be taught in his earliest years by his own mother. This meant that he was founded in the faith of his fathers, although he was reared as an Egyptian (Ex. 2:1-10).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjsVjmdhuD0&feature=related
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on May 17, 2012, 08:54:44 PM
Well
SecularNationalist" did you spend any time looking into the matter?
 
 Here is more for those interested.
 http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/torahtrue/
 http://www.mesora.org/Proof-Adherence.htm

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PEg_Oys4NkA


Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: muman613 on May 17, 2012, 09:02:44 PM
I suggest this Rabbi Mizrachi video on Torah proofs... Here he talks about what I alluded to above, that our Torah predicts the number of stars in the universe 2000 years ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCjI9EIe7aA
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: The Noachide on May 17, 2012, 10:37:31 PM
^ +1 without this rabbi, I wouldn't be convinced of Yahudat.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: MurderReligiousJews on May 17, 2012, 11:38:31 PM
I suggest this Rabbi Mizrachi video on Torah proofs... Here he talks about what I alluded to above, that our Torah predicts the number of stars in the universe 2000 years ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCjI9EIe7aA

There are much more than 10^19 stars but again, this talk is unnecessary. I'm not asking about proving stars, I'm asking about proving every bit of the Bible as true. If you cannot, then it's not accepted scientifically and it's moronic to quote from it, plain and simple. If I present something to my biology professor, he would have me do the experiment, then he'd do it, then everybody in the biology department would do it, and then every biologist in the world would be asked to reproduce the same results. If we all get the same result and prove it correct, then it is correct, if you cannot prove it all then it cannot be taken as a truth. Even when it is proven, then it's still called a theory, not a law.

I understand that you have belief, which is perfectly okay unless you harm others, but killing people for being gay and commanding others to follow your unproven book is unacceptable in a civilized society. Every religious person thinks that they somehow have proof but trust me, these arguments have taken place over and over again in many academic places, so you're not presenting anything new.

So my beef isn't with G-d or anything, it's religious people, especially those who say stupid stuff. Even my traditionalist father called Michelle Bachman and idiot because she said that G-d sent earthquakes (killing innocent children) because he was unhappy with the White House. And this moron gets away with stuff like that.

If you want to know why I'm morally against religion then watch this (hilarious) video by the King of Comedy RIP:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: Israel Chai on May 18, 2012, 12:11:24 AM
George Carlin is a traitor to America.

Back to you, alleged nationalistic.

I actually know people with scientific theories refused by scientific communities because there "was no way to prove it" although the argument they made is "it doesn't conform to naturalistic thinking". The product went on to work superbly, but I do have to insure I'm not associated with him, so all I can leave you with on that is there are thousands of such examples of ground-breaking science being thrown away along with the years of testing, because self-glorified idiots couldn't prove they are monkeys with it.

Onto proof of G-d. Let's start with you have to be a complete idiot not to see the proof whenever you open your eyes. I've never had this conversation with an atheist and not converted them to agnosticism, which is a great place for you to think from (and yes, questioning the existence of g-d once as you know his words and want to believe in him will bring out the most philosophically advanced thoughts you are capable of).

I worked 10 hours today and am doing 12 tomorrow, so lets keep this snappy:

Every relative has an absolute. Einstein

You are relative to time; only in time do you exist, and without time you are nothing, never were nor ever will be. Time is not an absolute (explaining this or following the chain is a several hour speech), and therefore something must exist that is in control of time and is timeless. As sad as I am with the absurd directions quantum physics has been taking, it does require a "G-d particle" to explain the relativity of matter, how 99.999% empty space be rock hard. This is something that all matter is composed of, but in itself is above matter, which will take me half an hour to explain.

G-d says he is the beginning and the end in Torah, and that he is all things and they are in him.

Now you have a G-d and a proven book, which you should have trusted in the first place, considering your laws (unless muslim), freedom, science (not false science), culture (western minus liberalism), and the fact that you were born a Jew, the most successful people per capita historically, because they read and learn from a book with such genius, there could only be one author, and the rest of the world reads the communist manifesto and the koran, and become dummies.

Know who's side your on. If G-d had to choose between muzzies and commies as his people, they wouldn't exist. And according to prophesy, when G-d has to prove himself for the zillionth time in this day and age, you'll wish he hadn't, and didn't need to, for several reasons.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: MurderReligiousJews on May 18, 2012, 12:26:54 AM
George Carlin is a traitor to America.

I don't care about his politics. He's funny. Stop being so serious.

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Back to you, alleged nationalistic.

I actually know people with scientific theories refused by scientific communities because there "was no way to prove it" although the argument they made is "it doesn't conform to naturalistic thinking". The product went on to work superbly, but I do have to insure I'm not associated with him, so all I can leave you with on that is there are thousands of such examples of ground-breaking science being thrown away along with the years of testing, because self-glorified idiots couldn't prove they are monkeys with it.

Onto proof of G-d. Let's start with you have to be a complete idiot not to see the proof whenever you open your eyes. I've never had this conversation with an atheist and not converted them to agnosticism, which is a great place for you to think from (and yes, questioning the existence of g-d once as you know his words and want to believe in him will bring out the most philosophically advanced thoughts you are capable of).

I worked 10 hours today and am doing 12 tomorrow, so lets keep this snappy:

Every relative has an absolute. Einstein

You are relative to time; only in time do you exist, and without time you are nothing, never were nor ever will be. Time is not an absolute (explaining this or following the chain is a several hour speech), and therefore something must exist that is in control of time and is timeless. As sad as I am with the absurd directions quantum physics has been taking, it does require a "G-d particle" to explain the relativity of matter, how 99.999% empty space be rock hard. This is something that all matter is composed of, but in itself is above matter, which will take me half an hour to explain.

G-d says he is the beginning and the end in Torah, and that he is all things and they are in him.

Now you have a G-d and a proven book, which you should have trusted in the first place, considering your laws (unless muslim), freedom, science (not false science), culture (western minus liberalism), and the fact that you were born a Jew, the most successful people per capita historically, because they read and learn from a book with such genius, there could only be one author, and the rest of the world reads the communist manifesto and the koran, and become dummies.

Know who's side your on. If G-d had to choose between muzzies and commies as his people, they wouldn't exist. And according to prophesy, when G-d has to prove himself for the zillionth time in this day and age, you'll wish he hadn't, and didn't need to, for several reasons.

Woah woah woah. I'm an agnostic that supports humanist deists and other open minded thinkers. I am an existentialist so I know exactly what you're talking about.

We can pretty much summarize the "time is not relative" argument, which is true, with "there was no beginning and there can be no end" which is true as far as we know. All this does is confirm the existentialist philosophy that NOTHING makes sense when it comes to beginning/end. God had to had to have been created though. Something can't always exist if it hadn't been created.

Think for example about the Universe. Why is God here and what's the point? Who made him all powerful? Why do all this? We cannot comprehend nothingness. This is why existentialism is the best policy. Live just to live. Admit that you cannot explain everything, but try to explain as much as you can by proving it, but live your life the way you want it. As long as you aren't being a menace to society and hurting people, your hobbies are your own,as the Founders of the US would have put it.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on May 18, 2012, 12:39:02 AM

We can pretty much summarize the "time is not relative" argument, which is true, with "there was no beginning and there can be no end" which is true as far as we know. All this does is confirm the existentialist philosophy that NOTHING makes sense when it comes to beginning/end. G-d had to had to have been created though. Something can't always exist if it hadn't been created.


You can't prove any of this.  Yet you believe it and live by it.

(Added some bold for emphasis.)

In fact, these unfounded assertions have never been proven by ANYONE at any period in hisotry anywhere.  Ever.  And yet you presume them and live by them.
But the facts expressed in the Torah happened to a people long ago, our ancestors, and they had all the proof they needed when they communicated with G-d as a nation and were rescued out of slavery.  That's a lot more to go on, wouldn't ya say?   I live by Torah because it actually happened somewhere other than some professor's office with know-it-alls talking crap with each other in a semicircle basking in how smart others perceive them and their astute commentaries (in between sips of latte and texting).  Real events, not theory.

I would use a more apt (though related) description than semicircle but this forum has standards and I will respect them.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: MurderReligiousJews on May 18, 2012, 12:58:31 AM
You can't prove any of this.  Yet you believe it and live by it.

(Added some bold for emphasis.)

In fact, these unfounded assertions have never been proven by ANYONE at any period in hisotry anywhere.  Ever.  And yet you presume them and live by them.
But the facts expressed in the Torah happened to a people long ago, our ancestors, and they had all the proof they needed when they communicated with G-d as a nation and were rescued out of slavery.  That's a lot more to go on, wouldn't ya say?   I live by Torah because it actually happened somewhere other than some professor's office with know-it-alls talking crap with each other in a semicircle basking in how smart others perceive them and their astute commentaries (in between sips of latte and texting).  Real events, not theory.

I would use a more apt (though related) description than semicircle but this forum has standards and I will respect them.

... Are you kidding me? I just agreed that there is no proof of time starting or ending, and you told me that I can't prove it? I can't prove the no proof, that doesn't make sense.

How do you know that your ancestors did this and that it wasn't just written by some guy somewhere? Why do you deny Hindu and Buddhist philosophy?
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: muman613 on May 18, 2012, 01:37:26 AM
... Are you kidding me? I just agreed that there is no proof of time starting or ending, and you told me that I can't prove it? I can't prove the no proof, that doesn't make sense.

How do you know that your ancestors did this and that it wasn't just written by some guy somewhere? Why do you deny Hindu and Buddhist philosophy?

Because the Jewish people have a Mesorah where things were passed down from father to son, mother to daughter. It would not be possible for someone to just say that every Jew witnessed the revelation at Sinai. The Jewish faith cannot be compared to others because Jewish history is replete with validation of the prophecies.

But what I have to say to you Mr SecularNationalist is this. I rebuke you for your rejection of your heritage. I try to remind myself that you claim you are of Russian descent which explains it if your family experienced the Soviet Union. The Soviet system was intent on trying to destroy the Jewish faith and it almost succeeded except for the Chassidic Rabbis who kept teaching Torah even at the risk of their lives.

And the leader of JTF, Chaim Ben Pesach and his Rabbi Rabbi Kahane both fought for the liberation of Soviet Jewry. My family left Ukraine in the 1890s and they missed much of the devastation of the Jewish people in Europe. Many Jews lost their faith there, but many more also gained their faith and saw the rebirth of the Jewish nation. The dreams of our fathers actually materialized in their generation.

A person who believes only in science is not a scientist. Putting faith in science is, as I have said here many times, a form of idolatry. Hashem created space and time, and he operates outside the rules that we do in this world. I cannot even begin to explain to you how Hashem exists because his 'existance' is not something we can comprehend.

Believing that man will know all the answers, or that everything can be measured and weighed via algorithms and calculations is a foolish thing. I studied Computer Science at one of the best schools and understand a lot about computer science {with over 25 years of experience in the field} but I am humble enough to admit that there are things which are beyond my understanding.

I have seen scientific theories come and go. And in many cases the 'business of science' becomes the important thing, and the actual data for the science is manipulated. This occurs both in environmental and biological/pharmaceutical sciences. To believe every report of findings is not wise, and it leads to losing faith in the scientific community.

I suspect I am a bit older than you are. And as a result I must have some compassion on you because you have not experienced the world yet. Many young people don't listen to their parents and rebel.  I did not believe the teachings of my parents till I was well into my 30s. But you have a contempt and a mocking attitude which I never had myself. I never mocked the religious and I always respected my elders.

I do not enjoy engaging in conversation with you. I feel sorry for someone, who claims to be Jewish, who forfeits his connection with the creator. You may want to believe that all religions are the same but you will discover that you were born Jewish for a reason, it is a mission for the Jewish soul. We are not trying to convert anyone, and we are not trying to force anything on anyone.

This thread was started about homosexual marriage. The Torah and our moral laws are meant to create an enlightened and 'Holy' nation. When we engage in things which lower our spiritual level {such as engaging in intercourse purely for animalistic intentions} we bring darkness into our souls. You have questioned the existence of the soul, but I believe you will find your soul shortly. I knew I had a soul when I was 8 years old.

So I don't really think JTF is a place for you to find friends. Most of us here have faith in Hashem, in one way or another, and our Nationalistic view is dictated by the Torahs command for the Jewish people to occupy the land which was promised to Abrahams children. I am sure there are forums where your opinion would be valued and I hope you find such a forum for your ideas. I believe you are bright and you have a lot of potential. But I will not sit here and listen to such blather as you have expressed here. I don't know if you intended to be obnoxious or 'avante garde' but when you started posting here a light in my head lit up saying 'troll'.

I do not feel any hatred for you, nor do I wish you ill. But I do pray that all of the Jewish people will stand together one day and say 'Shema Yisroel'.

 
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: USAReturn2GodNow1776 on May 18, 2012, 02:30:25 AM
I've enjoyed reading the guy's posts. Even if, say, he's a non-Jew claiming to be Jewish just to observe reactions and practice rhetorical skills here, that's fine. Not to accuse him of anything, but you never know with people on the internet. People claiming to be this, that, and the other for various reasons abound, of course. I only mention this because Muman said he initially thought, "Troll!". I didn't think that at all, by the way, since people can have other reasons for not being candid about who they really are  besides trolling / mischief.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: The Noachide on May 18, 2012, 03:28:21 AM
I understand that you have belief, which is perfectly okay unless you harm others, but killing people for being gay and commanding others to follow your unproven book is unacceptable in a civilized society. Every religious person thinks that they somehow have proof but trust me, these arguments have taken place over and over again in many academic places, so you're not presenting anything new

I was Agnostic for years, (well Muslim if you count family wise), there is NO WAY prophesied events in the holy book written 3,000 years ago is "unproven" or "unacceptable" as you claim.

No human was able to predict the exact number of days circling the moon.
No human was able to predict that fish would have fins and scales together only.
Do you really think any human can write a book 3,000 years ago foretelling the events three millenniums later?
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: serbian army on May 18, 2012, 07:09:36 AM
Secular..

For me Tesla was the greatest scientist of all. This is what he wrote:

 "It has been my intention to leave immediately for Paris in compliance with a similar obligation, but Sir James Dewar insisted on my appearing before the Royal Institution. I was a man of firm resolve, but succumbed easily to the forceful arguments of the great Scotsman. He pushed me into a chair and poured out half a glass of a wonderful brown fluid which sparkled in all sorts of iridescent colors and tasted like nectar. "Now," said he, "you are sitting in Faraday's chair and you are enjoying whiskey he used to drink." (Which did not interest me very much, as I had altered my opinion concerning strong drink). The next evening I have a demonstration before the Royal Institution, at the termination of which, Lord Rayleigh addressed the audience and his generous words gave me the first start in these endeavors. I fled from London and later from Paris, to escape favors showered upon me, and journeyed to my home, where I passed through a most painful ordeal and illness. Upon regaining my health, I began to formulate plans for the resumption of work in America. Up to that time I never realized that I possessed any particular gift of discovery, but Lord Rayleigh, whom I always considered as an ideal man of science, had said so and if that was the case, I felt that I should concentrate on some big idea. At this time, as at many other times in the past, my thoughts turned towards my Mother's teaching. The gift of mental power comes from G-d, Divine Being, and if we concentrate our minds on that truth, we become in tune with this great power. My Mother had taught me to seek all truth in the Bible; therefore I devoted the next few months to the study of this work."
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on May 18, 2012, 08:09:44 AM
... Are you kidding me? I just agreed that there is no proof of time starting or ending, and you told me that I can't prove it? I can't prove the no proof, that doesn't make sense.



You are just changing you story now.  I highlighted in bold some of the things you wrote.  I quoted you directly.      There are many more things than even the few you wrote in that comment which you (and every living person) take for granted and assume as true in your daily life - many things which are not biology experiments and have not (or simply cannot) be "proven" as such.   If you really used the "prove it to me in a biology experiment" litmus test for everything, you could not function in society.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on May 18, 2012, 09:49:35 AM
I'm asking about proving every bit of the Bible as true. If you cannot, then it's not accepted scientifically and it's moronic to quote from it, plain and simple. If I present something to my biology professor, he would have me do the experiment, then he'd do it, then everybody in the biology department would do it, and then every biologist in the world would be asked to reproduce the same results.

 1- Your being hypocritical. you ask for the proof of all the Torah, but then you say you don't have even 2 hours?
 Do you spend almost no time doing your biology experiments? Or do you take the time to do the experiments and see the results. All is asked of you is to look into the matter and proofs. Be the judge. But to be the judge one needs to at least enter the courtroom, no?
 You had/have questions on the Torah. Fine by us, soo now go learnm, go do the imperical experiments and see the results. BUT don't go making statements without looking at the responses and already coming to your own preconcieved beliefs.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: MurderReligiousJews on May 18, 2012, 01:12:47 PM
You're right. I don't think this forum is for me. I'll stick to the politicalforum. But as you hope that I view things from a religious standpoint, I hope you start viewing things from a secular standpoint, and understand how insane it would be to justify persecution because of a book (aka what the Muslims do).
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: briann on May 18, 2012, 01:54:18 PM
You're right. I don't think this forum is for me. I'll stick to the politicalforum. But as you hope that I view things from a religious standpoint, I hope you start viewing things from a secular standpoint, and understand how insane it would be to justify persecution because of a book (aka what the Muslims do).

Whaaa???  You are joining a religious forum to tell us to be secularists???  Can't you see how absurd this is?

And your making an absurd comparison....   We don't persecute those who DON'T read the same thing as we do.   About half of the members here are NOT Jewish.... we even have a couple Hindus here.

And how DARE you compare the Bible/Torah to the Koran.    The Koran is a hateful book filled with commands of Jihad.... a book filled with commands to kill, mutiliate, and torture.   

If you want to make a valid comparison, compare it to Mein Kampf.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on May 18, 2012, 02:08:53 PM
You're right. I don't think this forum is for me. I'll stick to the politicalforum. But as you hope that I view things from a religious standpoint, I hope you start viewing things from a secular standpoint, and understand how insane it would be to justify persecution because of a book (aka what the Muslims do).

 Where is their persecuation? Under Jewish Halacha the critreria for execution are numerous. No one advotacted "persecution" for the gays or others.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: Dr. Dan on May 18, 2012, 02:10:56 PM
You're right. I don't think this forum is for me. I'll stick to the politicalforum. But as you hope that I view things from a religious standpoint, I hope you start viewing things from a secular standpoint, and understand how insane it would be to justify persecution because of a book (aka what the Muslims do).

Ignorance must be bliss to you...I guess you don't have a brain...or simply don't want to use it properly.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: MurderReligiousJews on May 18, 2012, 03:11:42 PM
Ignorance must be bliss to you...I guess you don't have a brain...or simply don't want to use it properly.

Do me a favor. Enter a debate in your local University. PLEASE. Record for me. I would like a laugh. Ignorance = religion which is bliss for some. It helps people deal with death because it gives them stupid claims of an afterlife. You've gotta be on some level of insanity if you think that agnostics, aka people who don't take sides on the issue of God, are somehow ignorant.

And to the person that said that the Koran is a hate filled book, I agree, but you might want to read your book as well. Selling your daughters as slaves, killing those who don't keep the Sabbath, ordering genocide in Caananite cities. You can find crazy verses in any website. The calmest book of all is the Bhagavad Gita from the Hindus.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: Dr. Dan on May 18, 2012, 03:54:36 PM
Again, ignorance is bliss for you.  You can read books and take things literally or you can realize that these books are books to show us how to live.

Do you know anything about the Cannanites?  What they did to their own children?  How they tried to pervert society?

I'm sure it's also politically incorrect to wipe out the memory of the Amalekites.  That Haman's execution was inhumane.  If you don't learn from the past, you are bound to repeat it.  Since you show disdane towards the Torah, which is a historical book and a book of morality, your life will be screwed over..and if not you, it will be your children, your children's children and etc because of you..Because you taught them nothing.  You left them secular with no understanding of why it is important to do moral things and not do immoral things.

People like you have no brain.

And the point I wanted to make about my brain comment originally was that just because knowing that it exists even though you have never seen it is the same way how this universe is.  Gd DOES exist because this universe still operates.  And if Gd exists, so does the Torah He gave to Moses and the Israelites which was passed down from generation to generation.  And those who decided to not take it seriously and change a few things and be agnostic about or become Reform Jews to make things more politically correct, well, they were destroyed physically or spiritually.

I can acknowledge that I'm not a religious observant Jew and that I respect those who are.  And I know that is what every Jew should strive to become as quickly or as slowly they can.  You, on the other hand, run in the opposite direction and find Judaism irrelevant.  And by doing that, it is as if you eventually become kind to the cruel and cruel to the kind.  Since you  don't believe in the Torah that shows what morality truly is in every form, whether you live it or not, you will be unable to show your children true Jewish values and they will wander off to find strange gods to your demise when they need to understand real and true justice in this universe.

We were not put here just to walk around aimlessly and then die.  There is justice for the righteous who live short hard lives and justice for the wicked who live long good lives.  That's why there has to be an afterlife even though we have never seen it.  Much like why we know we have a brain that helps move our arms and legs and speak, but have never seen our own brains.

But you lack any ability to use your brain appropriately and I feel sorry for you.  Too bad so sad.










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Do me a favor. Enter a debate in your local University. PLEASE. Record for me. I would like a laugh. Ignorance = religion which is bliss for some. It helps people deal with death because it gives them stupid claims of an afterlife. You've gotta be on some level of insanity if you think that agnostics, aka people who don't take sides on the issue of G-d, are somehow ignorant.

And to the person that said that the Koran is a hate filled book, I agree, but you might want to read your book as well. Selling your daughters as slaves, killing those who don't keep the Sabbath, ordering genocide in Caananite cities. You can find crazy verses in any website. The calmest book of all is the Bhagavad Gita from the Hindus.
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Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: briann on May 18, 2012, 03:57:36 PM
Do me a favor. Enter a debate in your local University. PLEASE. Record for me. I would like a laugh. Ignorance = religion which is bliss for some. It helps people deal with death because it gives them stupid claims of an afterlife. You've gotta be on some level of insanity if you think that agnostics, aka people who don't take sides on the issue of G-d, are somehow ignorant.

And to the person that said that the Koran is a hate filled book, I agree, but you might want to read your book as well. Selling your daughters as slaves, killing those who don't keep the Sabbath, ordering genocide in Caananite cities. You can find crazy verses in any website. The calmest book of all is the Bhagavad Gita from the Hindus.

Wow...where have I seen all this before..... HMMmmmmm, oh yeah... StørmFrønt.   Which makes perfect sense... since Stormfronters like yourself are obsessed with labeling people as Neocons.

Only a stormfronter would be dumb enough to label Baraq Hussein as a Neocon.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: muman613 on May 18, 2012, 03:58:51 PM
Very good response Dan...

I think this guy just hates the idea that there is a force which is greater than he, that he is Jewish and our nation has a special relationship with the creator which he must deny in order to establish himself as the absolute arbiter of right and wrong, and that he is shaking his fist at G-d by coming here and trying to make waves.

I have tried showing him videos and explaining things, every time I get the same mocking and irreverant tone. This guy will have to go through some hard knocks before he begins to realize that the world doesn't revolve around him, and his view of right and wrong are completely subjective.

I personally give up and hope this guy slinks away from JTF soon...
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: MurderReligiousJews on May 18, 2012, 04:14:14 PM
Wow...where have I seen all this before..... HMMmmmmm, oh yeah... StørmFrønt.   Which makes perfect sense... since Stormfronters like yourself are obsessed with labeling people as Neocons.

Only a stormfronter would be dumb enough to label Baraq Hussein as a Neocon.

... Do understand poetical science? Barack is a neo-con foreign policy wise, liberal corporatist economics wise, and moderate socially. The opposite of neo conservatism in foreign policy is isolationism. Four terms: isolationism, non-interventionism, realism and neo-conservatism and mixes of these create foreign policy.

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and his view of right and wrong are completely subjective.

As are yours. Right and wrong is whatever society says it says. There is no set in stone "right and wrong".

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You can read books and take things literally or you can realize that these books are books to show us how to live.

The Torah is supposed to be taken literally. Fairy tales offer better lessons than that book.

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And the point I wanted to make about my brain comment originally was that just because knowing that it exists even though you have never seen it is the same way how this universe is.  Gd DOES exist because this universe still operates.

Your God exists because the Universe still operates? Why your God? Why not Zeus? Why not Shiva? Why not Jesus? Who created the Creator?

Anyways, obviously you don't understand science well enough to think that you have to be able to see something. I don't see atoms, but I do when I look at a microscope. I don't see my brain, but I know that I am a mammal because I am from the human species so I have a brain since all humans must have a brain to exist. If I want to see it, then I get an X ray, and get pictures of the X ray.

I will join the ranks of strong Atheists like Geert Wilders, Richard Dawkins, and Ze'ev Jabotinsky and prefer to live in the world that is moral for the sake of morality and not because they think that they will get some "reward" like heaven.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: MurderReligiousJews on May 18, 2012, 04:43:38 PM


^ Atheism is not a religion for whoever said that. "Atheism is a religion like abstinence is a sex position" - Maher.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: briann on May 18, 2012, 04:58:46 PM
... Do understand poetical science? Barack is a neo-con foreign policy wise, liberal corporatist economics wise, and moderate socially. The opposite of neo conservatism in foreign policy is isolationism. Four terms: isolationism, non-interventionism, realism and neo-conservatism and mixes of these create foreign policy.

LOL, No, I guess you are right, I dont really understand Poetical Science..   I took a poetry class, and a Science class... but I never managed to take that poetic science class... maybe if I did, I'd be as enlightened as you are.

Even in a poetry class like the one you took, I doubt they gave a formal definition of Neo-conservative.

The fact that you would call obama moderate socially is amazing as well.  If he is a social moderate, which recent democratic president would NOT be considered a social moderate?

Paleoconservatives always identify themselves with 'Ron Paul'.   In fact, Ron Paul is the only MAJOR candidate who uses the term 'Neo-Con' to label others in his party.

Ron Paul, who called Bachman and Santorum narrow minded, because they both hate Muslims and Gays.  (He specifically called Bachman a neocon btw)

Ron Paul who supports legalization of all drugs and narcotics

Ron Paul who supports open borders

Ron Paul... is socially FAR closer to Obama than the Neo-cons are.

Ron Paul... who has FAR more supporters who identify themselves as liberals than anyone else in the GOP.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: Dr. Dan on May 18, 2012, 05:09:05 PM
My feeling is that before someone gets married and have children, they only understand what I said as theory.  But once someone has a child with someone they love and are married to, you DO WHAT YOU CAN TO PROTECT him/her.

It is unbelievable how many single, unmarried, or childless people are so selfish.  I see the morals of this country going down the drain..and I'm talking about common sense morality...not the stuff you learn in religious school..just common sense things, that are now being trivialized and here I have a daughter and we have to raise her right and keep her straight even once she starts school and teachers potentially teach her wrong things about common sense morality.

And this secular guy doesn't get it.  How do the Jews stay Jews after all of these year from Mt. Sinai?  By sticking to the Torah as much as possible.  His children will either stray away to strange gods...or rebel and turn super religious after they realized it was wrong to have children out of wedlock.

On another note, I want to share a short story that I heard from one of British Sword's programs.  If you take a frog, which likes cold water and put it in boiling water, it will jump out immediately.  However, if you put it in cold water, and increase the temperature slightly, it will stay in and be comfortable. Increase the temperature a little more, it will stay in and be comfortable.  Increase the temperature each time after it gets comfortable until boiling, the frog will boil alive.  This is what American society has become on the moral level.  We have seen this with divorce rates and pre marital sex rates. We are seeing it with what this thread is all about..homosexuality and how much the majority of people have become tolerant of these types of relationships.

Now I'm not going to go about hating men or women who have a sexual attraction to the same sex. I understand that some people are hardwired to be that way and may have been born or even traumatized in life to go in that direction. Men and women with these types of problems should be loved. We should be compassionate towards them and help them as much as we can.  However, I don't recommend tolerating at least the open public relationships they may have with each other.  It's not a pleasant thing to do all for my reasoning that before they do it and acknowledge their problem that we show our love and compassion and mercy and friendship towards them..otherwise, they will go the darkside searching for an unhealthy intimacy.


Very good response Dan...

I think this guy just hates the idea that there is a force which is greater than he, that he is Jewish and our nation has a special relationship with the creator which he must deny in order to establish himself as the absolute arbiter of right and wrong, and that he is shaking his fist at G-d by coming here and trying to make waves.

I have tried showing him videos and explaining things, every time I get the same mocking and irreverant tone. This guy will have to go through some hard knocks before he begins to realize that the world doesn't revolve around him, and his view of right and wrong are completely subjective.

I personally give up and hope this guy slinks away from JTF soon...
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: Dr. Dan on May 18, 2012, 05:13:43 PM
1. Woa woa hold on here.  Barak socially moderate?!  He supports homosexual marriage...that's not socially moderate. 
2. Some things in the Torah are meant to be taken literally, but a lot of things are not meant to be taken literally.  Your conception of that it all needs to be taken literally shows how little you understand about Judaism.


... Do understand poetical science? Barack is a neo-con foreign policy wise, liberal corporatist economics wise, and moderate socially. The opposite of neo conservatism in foreign policy is isolationism. Four terms: isolationism, non-interventionism, realism and neo-conservatism and mixes of these create foreign policy.

As are yours. Right and wrong is whatever society says it says. There is no set in stone "right and wrong".

The Torah is supposed to be taken literally. Fairy tales offer better lessons than that book.

Your G-d exists because the Universe still operates? Why your G-d? Why not Zeus? Why not Shiva? Why not Jesus? Who created the Creator?

Anyways, obviously you don't understand science well enough to think that you have to be able to see something. I don't see atoms, but I do when I look at a microscope. I don't see my brain, but I know that I am a mammal because I am from the human species so I have a brain since all humans must have a brain to exist. If I want to see it, then I get an X ray, and get pictures of the X ray.

I will join the ranks of strong Atheists like Geert Wilders, Richard Dawkins, and Ze'ev Jabotinsky and prefer to live in the world that is moral for the sake of morality and not because they think that they will get some "reward" like heaven.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: Dr. Dan on May 18, 2012, 05:21:24 PM
... Do understand poetical science? Barack is a neo-con foreign policy wise, liberal corporatist economics wise, and moderate socially. The opposite of neo conservatism in foreign policy is isolationism. Four terms: isolationism, non-interventionism, realism and neo-conservatism and mixes of these create foreign policy.

As are yours. Right and wrong is whatever society says it says. There is no set in stone "right and wrong".

The Torah is supposed to be taken literally. Fairy tales offer better lessons than that book.

Your G-d exists because the Universe still operates? Why your G-d? Why not Zeus? Why not Shiva? Why not Jesus? Who created the Creator?

Anyways, obviously you don't understand science well enough to think that you have to be able to see something. I don't see atoms, but I do when I look at a microscope. I don't see my brain, but I know that I am a mammal because I am from the human species so I have a brain since all humans must have a brain to exist. If I want to see it, then I get an X ray, and get pictures of the X ray.

I will join the ranks of strong Atheists like Geert Wilders, Richard Dawkins, and Ze'ev Jabotinsky and prefer to live in the world that is moral for the sake of morality and not because they think that they will get some "reward" like heaven.

The conclusions you draw about people who support religion is hilarious.  First, what is this "my Gd" comment?!  Gd the ultimate creator is everyone's Gd..name it what you want. Gd is unnamable.

I don't understand science well enough?  FYI, I majored in psychobiology, predental, and I'm a periodontist. So yes, I understand science, you jerk.  And if you want to argue with me about science and who created Gd?  Well, who created science?  What created the big bang? What created all of your scientific theories?

And right and wrong is all relative?!  What you selfish creature you are.  Your children and grand children and great children will be doomed because if they live by that mentality, they will think killing stealing immoral sex are right and that the opposite is wrong.  With that attitude, you think like the prototypical Muslim...you would make a perfect Muslim actually because that is what they do.  They are kind to the cruel and cruel to the kind..and in order to be kind to the kind and cruel to the cruel..to know who the good guys are and who the bad guys, you can't have moral equivelancy.  There is a true RIGHT and a true WRONG..there is a true Good and a true Evil.  And it's not learned from society..since society is relative..it's learned from our Torah which is the book that Christians adopted and Muslims tried to copy and pervert.

And yes, some religious people do things so that they can get into heaven.  I agree that this is not a good thing.  We should do good things for the sake of doing good things and I think most decent righteous people know that for a fact.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: Dr. Dan on May 18, 2012, 05:24:23 PM
What it is is a matter of rebellion, although being married with children may help to open someone's eyes.  There is nothing logical or reasonable about being an atheist.  Secular nationalist is the way he is not because of the mind, but because he has chosen to be a bad person.

I was adding to Muman's post.  Everyone here who is not married nor have children can only theorize why morality in society is good.  But once someone is married and has children and loves his children, he sees why his theory is correct.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: MurderReligiousJews on May 18, 2012, 06:22:06 PM
What it is is a matter of rebellion, although being married with children may help to open someone's eyes.  There is nothing logical or reasonable about being an atheist.  Secular nationalist is the way he is not because of the mind, but because he has chosen to be a bad person.

1) Ze'ev was an Atheist, as is Geert Wilders, as is Maher and other anti-Islamic pro-Zionist secularists. If I am a bad person, so Is Ze'ev, so is Wilders.
2) "Good" and "bad" depends on society. You are obviously not a humanist so Europeans and other whites would consider you "bad".
3) I haven't killed or supported genocide. On the other hand, you and your buddies are calling people "fags" and "schvartzas" left and right, and I'm sure a neutral panel would say that you are worse.

To the guy who said "poetic science", I obviously meant political science, but Obama would be considered a neo-conservative foreign policy wise. He's not an isolationist nor is he a realist or a non-interventionist. This is not necessarily a bad thing. But he is. Obama is moderate socially because he's pro-life, anti-marijuana legalization (even made fun of people who support on multiple occasions), he's religious, he supports the military-industrial complex, etc. He's obviously not a libertarian. He's actually more authoritarian than the European Conservatives on issues like this. What would you consider Obama on the authoritarian scale? Would he authoritarian or libertarian or a moderate? Most would say he's a moderate that leans authoritarian. Remember this scale isn't "left and right" like the economic scale.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: MurderReligiousJews on May 18, 2012, 06:43:50 PM
I'm not a fan of Ze'ev because he said religious Jews should have their peot cut off.  Geert Wilders is ok because he doesn't trash religious people like you do, only the harmful religion of Islam.  Maher is not anti-Islamic.  He doesn't believe in Islam but he supports politicians who favor pro-Islamic policies, and he is a bad person. 
If you are against the Jewish definition of "good" and "bad", you are not a Jewish nationalist plain and simple.  This is your dilemma.  You want to pretend you can have a "Jewish" state but then oppose the values that define what's Jewish.  That would be like me saying I'm an American nationalist but then adopting an anti-Constitutional anarchy as my method of American nationalism.  If it's Europeans you are trying to impress, why not go there instead of pretend to fight for Israel?
What makes genocide good or bad?  What makes calling people names good or bad?  How do you define neutral?  If you are an atheist or an agnostic, you can't answer this with anything other than "because that's how I feel", which means you never have the right to pronounce a judgment of any kind.

WOW. How can you not be a fan of the founder of Right-Wing Revisionist Zionism? How can a nationalist not like Jabotinsky? I am a follower of the path of Jabotinsky.

How we define it is based on what society currently defines it. For example, it was okay to sell slaves during Biblical times, it's not okay now though because society has changed.

Zionism is an ethnonationalist concept based on the ethnonationalism of European thinkers that were ethnically Jews, not based on Abraham. He would not be a Zionist, because the term "Zionism" was created by ethnonationalists. I am an ethnonationalist. On the other hand, your "nationalism" is not at all inspired by true feelings of love for your people, but is instead inspired by faith. This is why some hassidic Jews are against Zionism, because they don't care about their people, they only care about what they believe that God said. Religion drives them to be against Zionism. If religion did that, you would also be against Zionism, but not me, not Jabotinsky, not Herzl. There in lies the difference.
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Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on May 18, 2012, 06:53:13 PM
Secular "nationalism" is bankrupt and dead. Why are they giving up land? Wasn't it Ariel Sharon, the "bulldozer" (who wasn't/ isn't Jewish by the way according to Halacha) who gave up Aza?
  The first to Israel were not secular people, they were all Religious Jews. Also the majority of people who came to Israel were religious.
 Some of the reasons why religious Jews are agains't the state (or what they percieve to be that state) wasn't or isn't because their is a state. It is because the people running the state are Communist traitors. "Green" on the outside, pretending to be "democratic" etc. but "red" inside with communism, socialism, dictatorship, etc. Listen to Rav Amnon Yitzhaks analogty of "watermellons"

 If it wasn't for "Religion" you wouldn't exist today. What kept you Jewish? Go back a few generations, at least 4 or 5 generations for sure your family tree were all religious. Now you slapp all of their being in the face. With what? Nothing but non-sense. No facts, no logical argument, not even a willingness to take the time to investigate what it is that your great great grandparents wold do everything even sacrifice their lives for.
 The Communists did a real number on you and the Jews living in that athiest hell-hole of the soviet union. The same athiests you admire murdered 50 Million people. Real ethical without religion.
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Post by: JTFenthusiast2 on May 18, 2012, 06:55:03 PM
Secular "nationalism" is bankrupt and dead. Why are they giving up land? Wasn't it Ariel Sharon, the "bulldozer" (who wasn't/ isn't Jewish by the way according to Halacha) who gave up Aza?
  The first to Israel were not secular people, they were all Religious Jews. Also the majority of people who came to Israel were religious.
 Some of the reasons why religious Jews are agains't the state (or what they percieve to be that state) wasn't or isn't because their is a state. It is because the people running the state are Communist traitors. "Green" on the outside, pretending to be "democratic" etc. but "red" inside with communism, socialism, dictatorship, etc. Listen to Rav Amnon Yitzhaks analogty of "watermellons"

No, it's because they are PROUD arrogant members of the Erev Rav
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: muman613 on May 18, 2012, 07:01:33 PM
WOW. How can you not be a fan of the founder of Right-Wing Revisionist Zionism? How can a nationalist not like Jabotinsky? I am a follower of the path of Jabotinsky.

How we define it is based on what society currently defines it. For example, it was okay to sell slaves during Biblical times, it's not okay now though because society has changed.

Zionism is an ethnonationalist concept based on the ethnonationalism of European thinkers that were ethnically Jews, not based on Abraham. He would not be a Zionist, because the term "Zionism" was created by ethnonationalists. I am an ethnonationalist. On the other hand, your "nationalism" is not at all inspired by true feelings of love for your people, but is instead inspired by faith. This is why some hassidic Jews are against Zionism, because they don't care about their people, they only care about what they believe that G-d said. Religion drives them to be against Zionism. If religion did that, you would also be against Zionism, but not me, not Jabotinsky, not Herzl. There in lies the difference.

You certainly do not understand why some religious Jews would be against a secular 'Jewish' state? When the state of Israel calls itself a 'Jewish' state but engages in trying to be a country like all the other countries, it cuts itself off from the Jewish people. Those religious Jews who support the state see that there is a slow progression where eventually the entire state will see that the Jewish values are important, and will eventually take up a Torah true position.

I can understand why some religious are against the current state considering the state acts more like Gestapo stormtroopers when the evict Jews from their homes {see Ammona/Katif evictions}. A state which allows enemies to hold positions in the government {see the arab MKs who obviously take sides with the terrorists such as the Flotilla incident}... The current 'Jewish' state is not really all that Jewish when you look at how it behaves itself.

I believe that eventually all Jews in Israel will see that the Torah is the only salvation to keep the Jewish people alive...

And again... I am sorry that you have rejected your portion in the world to come...
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: briann on May 18, 2012, 07:08:41 PM
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Zionism is an ethnonationalist concept based on the ethnonationalism of European thinkers that were ethnically Jews, not based on Abraham. He would not be a Zionist, because the term "Zionism" was created by ethnonationalists. I am an ethnonationalist. On the other hand, your "nationalism" is not at all inspired by true feelings of love for your people, but is instead inspired by faith. This is why some hassidic Jews are against Zionism, because they don't care about their people, they only care about what they believe that G-d said. Religion drives them to be against Zionism. If religion did that, you would also be against Zionism, but not me, not Jabotinsky, not Herzl. There in lies the difference.

Geeesh.   This kind of rhetoric has no place on this site.   I really think you need to go where you will have plenty of others who share your views.... I would suggest StørmFrønt or al-islam.org
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Post by: Chaim Ben Pesach on May 18, 2012, 07:15:06 PM
בס''ד

A Jew who spends his time bashing the Torah is the ultimate example of a sick self-hater.

You know absolutely nothing about the Torah which you so arrogantly ridicule. Can you read and study the Torah in Hebrew? Can you read and study the Talmud in Aramaic? Do you know or understand the extremely deep and complicated explanations of literally every word and every letter in the Torah that we receive from our Torah sages? Do you know or understand Biblical prophesy that has been fulfilled in our day? Do you know or understand Bible codes where incredibly complex messages are conveyed after every seven letters in some places, after every nine letters in other places, after every fourteen letters in other places and so on? Do you know or understand the miraculous nature of the existence of G-d's people, the Jewish people? Or our miraculous return to the land of Israel after 2000 years just as was prophesized in the Bible? Or our miraculous victories in six day wars against enemies who outnumber us 100 to one? Or our miraculous survival when the whole world supports our destruction because of the desire for Muslim oil, Muslim petrodollar investments, appeasement of 66 Muslim nations and appeasement of 1.5 billion Muslims? Or our miraculous survival when most Jews are not even loyal to their own people, Jewish leaders are traitors and Jews are consistently their own worst enemies?

I haven't even scratched the surface.

A Jew who seeks to tear his people away from their sacred faith can never be a nationalist. A Jew who does this is a voice of darkness, assimilation, self-hatred, arrogance and self-destruction.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: MurderReligiousJews on May 18, 2012, 08:23:52 PM
בס''ד

A Jew who spends his time bashing the Torah is the ultimate example of a sick self-hater.

You know absolutely nothing about the Torah which you so arrogantly ridicule. Can you read and study the Torah in Hebrew? Can you read and study the Talmud in Aramaic? Do you know or understand the extremely deep and complicated explanations of literally every word and every letter in the Torah that we receive from our Torah sages? Do you know or understand Biblical prophesy that has been fulfilled in our day? Do you know or understand Bible codes where incredibly complex messages are conveyed after every seven letters in some places, after every nine letters in other places, after every fourteen letters in other places and so on? Do you know or understand the miraculous nature of the existence of G-d's people, the Jewish people? Or our miraculous return to the land of Israel after 2000 years just as was prophesized in the Bible? Or our miraculous victories in six day wars against enemies who outnumber us 100 to one? Or our miraculous survival when the whole world supports our destruction because of the desire for Muslim oil, Muslim petrodollar investments, appeasement of 66 Muslim nations and appeasement of 1.5 billion Muslims? Or our miraculous survival when most Jews are not even loyal to their own people, Jewish leaders are traitors and Jews are consistently their own worst enemies?

I haven't even scratched the surface.

A Jew who seeks to tear his people away from their sacred faith can never be a nationalist. A Jew who does this is a voice of darkness, assimilation, self-hatred, arrogance and self-destruction.

You take away too much credit from the Israeli people. They win wars because they are strong? Why would a God like yours ever bless them if they're ran and controlled by secularists? Why would a God sanction a secularist movement like original Zionism?

You remind me of Christians say things like "Thank You Jesus" whenever a doctor cures them. This is sickening. They should be thanking the Doctor, not their mythical figure, just like you should be thanking the IDF.

Zionism is rooted in ethnonationalism and the majority aren't religious Zionists. The IDF is the military of the Zionists, and if you stand against them, you aren't a Zionist. You can be against Israel's political views, like I am, but I would never call the government "Gestapo" or anything like that. It's just traitorous. I would never call the military a bad name or the brave men and women and fight for the military a bad name.

Not to mention that secularists are asking for proof of the biblical stories. Instead of just saying "well, it's our faith, it makes us feel good", you guys try to do the impossible, which is actually trying to prove it. Many before you tried but failed. Stories like Noah's Ark, Jonah in a whale, etc. are just simply impossible.

But of course, this is not the point. The point is you can believe whatever you want, just don't try to do things like execute homosexuals or force religious law because others like me don't accept it and it would be unethical to do so. Saying thiings like "God hates fags" provides not only a good laugh, but shows the true colors of religion, which is that people fill the void of God and speak to us instead. When somebody says "God hates fags", they never met God, what they really mean is that they hate fags.

And also everything that you said to me can pretty much be applied to Jabotinsky, who is in my opinion, the greatest Zionist that ever lived.

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Geeesh.   This kind of rhetoric has no place on this site.   I really think you need to go where you will have plenty of others who share your views.... I would suggest StørmFrønt or al-islam.org

You think Jabotinsky belongs in nazi websites? Because I pretty much gave you his rhetoric. Also I said nothing that ties in islamism or neo nazism, I just said that Zionism is rooted in nationalism that is based around ethnicity, not religion. This is absolutely true and even you'd admit that the early Zionists did not view somebody Jewish based on how Orthodox they were because most of them were Atheists and secularists.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: muman613 on May 18, 2012, 08:40:34 PM
You have no idea what it means to be a Jew. You are just the result of happenstance SecularNationalist... Everyone who is born a Jew is a Jew regardless of religious observance. But the thing which will bring the entire nation together as one is our faith and the strength given to us by the G-d of Israel.

I don't know why you haven't been banned yet, some have been banned for less offensive things being said here. You have set your mind to darkness and oblivion. We know that your kind will not be around in 2 generations because the Jewish people, without our faith, will assimilate and vanish. This is your fate and while it is a sad fate, we can live with it.

Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: Israel Chai on May 18, 2012, 09:18:55 PM
... well I wish I could have been here earlier, but my post was an Alinsky test, and we have here a commie troll. He said fairy tales offer better lessons then "that book", which is the only reason why he can call himself Jewish. Clearly, he hopes for a society based on a Marxist fairy tale.

I hoped someone would have noticed him skirting and twisting my points, but clearly he has no desire to embrace G-d, and his purpose is to attack, he hopes to convert, but spreading doubt is good enough.

Ban. He's not going to teach you anything, and most assuredly not going to say anything I haven't heard before.

Muman, he wasn't banned because someone claimed he was young. Only a thirteen year old is that headstrong about ignorance, and if he was a bit older, he'd still want to have respect for his elders and try to understand their point of view. He hasn't come here to learn, or to teach, but to attack.

If I saw a new point, I would attack, but I will answer a couple for the forum.

Who created the creator? An absolute doesn't need to have an absolute. Its the #$$%ing absolute. He has no knowledge of quantum physics.

Why create anything? FOOL! This is a person you should all STAY AWAY FROM, as he will never be satisfied, but the answer is simple; for love.

Back to the sane; you are here to grow and expand. This boy will drag you down. It not the fact that he's repeating lies, because when I came here, I did too. Key term "the religious..."; he thinks that he is better than you. Let him go be better elsewhere. Don't respond to his lies, just tell truth, or ask counter-questions. Only a broken leg will bring the spiteful sheep back to the flock, and it's not our place as his fellow sheep, just call him home.

Lets cool down with a little david, and please tell me if there is a song in Hebrew with this, and I will memorize it.

Make a joyful noise unto the Lord all ye lands. Serve the Lord with gladness, come before his presence with singing. Know ye that the Lord is G-d, it's he that hath made us and not of we ourselves. We are his people and the sheep of his pasture. Enter into his gates with thanksgiving, and into his courts with praise. Be thankful unto him and bless his name. For the Lord is good, his mercy is everlasting and his truth endureth to all generations.

Then I will sing it to allu akbars before this commie and his muzzies before they take my head.
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: briann on May 18, 2012, 09:34:07 PM
Ok SecularNazi,  you win....

Zionism is secular and is based on race,  and most zionists are secular, and the bible is just as violent as the Koran, and Obama is a neoconservative and Obama is a social moderate.

And you know this is true, because of your knowledge of Poetry and Science makes you more intelligent than the rest of us.

Now leave the forum and get busy posting on StørmFrønt!!!   THey are probabaly missing your wisdom.
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Post by: MurderReligiousJews on May 18, 2012, 09:52:15 PM
Ok SecularNazi,  you win....

Zionism is secular and is based on race,  and most zionists are secular, and obama is a neoconservative and a social moderate.

And you know this is true, because of your knowledge of Poetry and Science makes you more intelligent than the rest of us.

Now leave the forum and get busy posting on StørmFrønt!!!   THey are probabaly missing your wisdom.

Sure. You are close to a Nazi than I am. In no point did I ever embrace any tenant of National Socialism, but you don't care do you? You call everybody who you don't like, which is 99% of the world apparently, a "Nazi". Obama is apparently a black muslim Nazi christian (Reverend Wright's church) and you don't care if those ideologies are diametrically opposed to each other, and you use religion just like other movements have to enslave people to your way of thinking.

You will never be free. I'm sure Nazi forums would embrace you since you support genocide and the killing of innocents just like them.

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and we have here a commie troll.

This is hilarious. You can't even see your own ignorance. You want to ban homosexuality, women's rights, minority rights, drug use, immodesty, enlightenment values, and all other forms of personal freedom and I'M the commie? The only countries in the world that ban all of those things are Muslims countries. Commie countries banned those things except woman's rights.

Keep thinking that you speak for God.
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Post by: Ephraim Ben Noach on May 18, 2012, 10:02:35 PM
Not to be the judge, but he should be done! +1
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: serbian army on May 18, 2012, 11:04:16 PM


This is hilarious. You can't even see your own ignorance. You want to ban homosexuality, women's rights, minority rights, drug use, immodesty, enlightenment values, and all other forms of personal freedom and I'M the commie? The only countries in the world that ban all of those things are Muslims countries. Commie countries banned those things except woman's rights.

Keep thinking that you speak for G-d.
Women's rights? Enlightenment values? All forms of personal freedom?

Do you even read what people write here? I guess what would hurt you the most is if Brian somehow gets into position of power and ban drug use :::D

(http://www.indybay.org/uploads/2009/07/01/640_ijan_at_09pride_sf_1.jpg)
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: Dr. Dan on May 18, 2012, 11:23:34 PM


Ok Mr rational thinker...whatever you say.  What you say of us is what you really are. :P

Sure. You are close to a Nazi than I am. In no point did I ever embrace any tenant of National Socialism, but you don't care do you? You call everybody who you don't like, which is 99% of the world apparently, a "Nazi". Obama is apparently a black muslim Nazi christian (Reverend Wright's church) and you don't care if those ideologies are diametrically opposed to each other, and you use religion just like other movements have to enslave people to your way of thinking.

You will never be free. I'm sure Nazi forums would embrace you since you support genocide and the killing of innocents just like them.

This is hilarious. You can't even see your own ignorance. You want to ban homosexuality, women's rights, minority rights, drug use, immodesty, enlightenment values, and all other forms of personal freedom and I'M the commie? The only countries in the world that ban all of those things are Muslims countries. Commie countries banned those things except woman's rights.

Keep thinking that you speak for G-d.
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Post by: JTFenthusiast2 on May 18, 2012, 11:35:33 PM
Women's rights? Enlightenment values? All forms of personal freedom?

Do you even read what people write here? I guess what would hurt you the most is if Brian somehow gets into position of power and ban drug use :::D

(http://www.indybay.org/uploads/2009/07/01/640_ijan_at_09pride_sf_1.jpg)

This is disgusting.  Look at the evil smiles reflected in the evil signage
Title: Re: "Gays" are going nuts over our new video on homosexual "marriage"
Post by: briann on May 19, 2012, 12:10:58 AM
Sure. You are close to a Nazi than I am. In no point did I ever embrace any tenant of National Socialism, but you don't care do you? You call everybody who you don't like, which is 99% of the world apparently, a "Nazi". Obama is apparently a black muslim Nazi christian (Reverend Wright's church) and you don't care if those ideologies are diametrically opposed to each other, and you use religion just like other movements have to enslave people to your way of thinking.

You will never be free. I'm sure Nazi forums would embrace you since you support genocide and the killing of innocents just like them.

This is hilarious. You can't even see your own ignorance. You want to ban homosexuality, women's rights, minority rights, drug use, immodesty, enlightenment values, and all other forms of personal freedom and I'M the commie? The only countries in the world that ban all of those things are Muslims countries. Commie countries banned those things except woman's rights.

Keep thinking that you speak for G-d.

ohhh k, so you know nothing about me... but you say that I support Genocide, ie the mass murdering people based upon there genetics (in case your Poetry Science class didnt to teach you that)

And by me supporting Zionism and understanding that it is religious movement rather than a secular racial movement like you insist, that makes me a Nazi??

You are a genius (I am sure your friends at StørmFrønt say that about you as well)
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Post by: MurderReligiousJews on May 19, 2012, 12:22:13 AM
And by me supporting Zionism and understanding that it is religious movement rather than a secular racial movement like you insist, that makes me a Nazi??

I didn't say that. This is ad hominem (the attack on people based on something that they don't represent) similar to the Obama ad homs. I am a Zionist.

Great quote about what I'm talking about from Ricky Gervais:

"As an atheist, I see nothing “wrong” in believing in a God. I don’t think there is a God, but belief in him does no harm. If it helps you in any way, then that’s fine with me. It’s when belief starts infringing on other people’s rights when it worries me. I would never deny your right to believe in a God. I would just rather you didn’t kill people who believe in a different God, say. Or stone someone to death because your rulebook says their sexuality is immoral. It’s strange that anyone who believes that an all-powerful all-knowing, omniscient power responsible for everything that happens, would also want to judge and punish people for what they are."
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Post by: serbian army on May 19, 2012, 11:43:43 AM
(http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/3148/20101010184625.jpg)

Serbian police beating protesting Christians...

Jews protesting but see what police does to them:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKNljtAhGPg
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Post by: Debbie Shafer on May 20, 2012, 05:13:07 PM
Keep up the Good Work JTF.  Also google Sodom and Gomorrah, see the ruins and what researchers say about the area.   No evidence of volcanic activity in the area, yet lots of sulphur mined around Geothermal sites.  Where did this pure sulphur come from?   The Bible has the answer in Genesis 19:24.   Then Hashem rained brimstone and fire on Sodom and Gomorrah, from Hashem out of the heavens.   The bible clearly informs us that the source of the brimstone had supernaturally came from Hashem/   Archaeologists have easily pulled out sulphuric balls out fo the ruins of limestone buildings of the city of Gomorrah.  Amazingly there are no other ancient ruined cities anywhere else on planet earth covered with pure sulphuric balls with ruins turned into ash.   "And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly." 2nd Peter 2:6    The White Ash found at Gomorrah was tested and found to be calcium sulphate.  Calcium sulphate is the by-product of limestone (calcium carbonate0  and sulphur burning together.    These cities were destroyed by burning sulphuric brimstone just like the Bible says....Fascinating...also see Ark Discovery....All these happened, just as the Bible says!
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Post by: Debbie Shafer on May 20, 2012, 05:15:01 PM
I hope people visit this site, see the ruins and read the info..it is staggering to think that this kind of power exists from above, but it does in all certainty!!!  Thanks.
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Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on May 20, 2012, 05:47:40 PM
You're right. I don't think this forum is for me. I'll stick to the politicalforum. But as you hope that I view things from a religious standpoint, I hope you start viewing things from a secular standpoint, and understand how insane it would be to justify persecution because of a book (aka what the Muslims do).

This is a Jewish forum.   Whom are we persecuting?   
You have a sick mind to accuse us of the crimes of Muslims.   

Jews have been persecuted and murdered for centuries simply for practicing their religion, and you have the audacity to come on a Jewish forum and claim that following the Jewish religion causes persecution of others!?   
Typical projection of crimes onto the victims of said crimes due to your bias and agenda against all religion.   You may need medication.
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Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on May 20, 2012, 05:48:34 PM
... Do understand poetical science?

Poetical science?
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Post by: briann on May 20, 2012, 05:50:20 PM
Poetical science?

Yes, the combination of Poetry and Science.  He is apparently an authority on the subject.
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Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on May 20, 2012, 05:52:37 PM
Yes, the combination of Poetry and Science.  He is apparently an authority on the subject.
;D

I would like to meet the scientist that incorporates poetry into his work.
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Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on May 20, 2012, 05:53:27 PM
;D

I would like to meet the scientist that incorporates poetry into his work.

 Hawkins
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Post by: GunsAndRosesFan on May 21, 2012, 02:48:21 AM
LET THEM GO TO HELL... who cares about these fags