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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Yerusha on May 06, 2013, 04:07:35 PM
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A gentile of course likes money....but a Jew literally loves it! This being because the innate cupidity of the human soul is enhanced in the higher-sourced Jewish soul, and the yetzer hara subverts it from being a desire to amass mitzvos into a desire to amass gelt.
And none more than the Israeli Jew!
Thus if Bennett pulls his plan off - to defang Israel's demonic bureaucracy and to aid the competitive entrepreneur against the monopolist tycoon - he really could be in line to be the next Prime Minister!
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/167770#.UYgL8ctBTn4
(http://www.haaretz.com/polopoly_fs/1.489784.1356673100!/image/250819368.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_640/250819368.jpg)
R.kahane had it right all along when he said back in 1977 that if he became Israeli PM, the very first thing he would do, even more than enacting the death penalty for terrorits and expelling the Arabs, would be to dismantle the Histadrut & thereby restore the Jewish Work Ethic which has been so stultified by Israel's Leftist Socialist economic system!
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with a Jew who has money. The headline of this thread struck me as antisemitic because it echoes the antisemitic cannard that a Jew is only concerned with money.
Look at the story of Jacob in the house of Laban, he was a wealthy man, and he was righteous. And thus we learn that amassing money is not a crime in Judaism. Jacob was a very wise businessman, and so too was Joseph who was able to save the world from the famine.
Admittedly one who worships money is engaging in a variation of the sin of the golden calf, a form of idol worship... But one who uses his fortune to help his brothers and sisters through tzedakkah is righteous...
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I flagged this antisemitic post.
I think wonga just makes up his own quotes and then attributes them to famous, deceased rabbis.
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I flagged this antisemitic post.
I think wonga just makes up his own quotes and then attributes them to famous, deceased rabbis.
I'v noticed this as well. This piece of sh^t loves to stir anti-Semitism.
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If you read carefully, yerusha, generalizes all Jews to love money. So on that token Jewish jtfers Chaim Ben pesach shlomo and kahane also worship money?!
Really. This stinks of anti semitism
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I never understood the money stereotype I mean really weren't the majority of Jews in Poland and other parts of Europe extremely poor? Even in the Middle East and N. Africa the only Jews who stayed there today are ones who were extremely wealthy Is anyone pointing at Oprah Winfrey and going "blacks love money" Its ridiculous
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This POS shouldn't be posting anything. Except for posting his body to a telephone pole in a black ghetto.
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Does anyone really know who Wonga is?
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Wonga, I can't imagine any rabbi saying such a thing about Jews. Are you drunk?
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בס''ד
The Jews are by far the most generous people in the world. Studies show that Jews contribute far more to various causes than any other people. Jewish generosity is so out of proportion to their numbers, that it is just as astonishing as Jewish brilliance and creativity which is also so way out of proportion to their numbers.
Jews are only 1.5% of the U.S. population, yet 30% of America's most generous donors are Jewish. 24.5% of all mega-donors (Americans who donate more than $10 million a year to charity) are Jewish.
http://www.jewfaq.org/tzedakah.htm
If there was a thread here about how Jews contribute such huge amounts of money to crazy anti-Semitic causes or to causes that are worthless, that would be an appropriate topic for discussion. But the anti-Semitic calumny that Jews are cheap is one of history's biggest lies. In this generation, many Jews are sick and self-hating but they are certainly not cheap.
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Arabs are the cheap ones. Richest people on this planet and can't manage to help out your fellow starving Arabs.
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Does anyone really know who Wonga is?
I do & I testify he is a bonafide Jew & Kahanist who I personally know for about 40 years.
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I do & I testify he is a bonafide Jew & Kahanist who I personally know for about 40 years.
Does he troll us, or is he serious about what he posts?
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I do & I testify he is a bonafide Jew & Kahanist who I personally know for about 40 years.
If you mean that, it must be true. If not, is it a violation of Halacha to say so? Similar to swearing?
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Arabs are the cheap ones. Richest people on this planet and can't manage to help out your fellow starving Arabs.
Just like Obama, the rap noise "musicians", and the rich basketball and football players. If they really believed in what they say, they would donate their own money to help poor blacks rather than demand the white tax payers do so. I mean Obama raises money on his campaign when he should use it to donate to the causes he tries to support through stimulus nonsense. Or he could use it to pay off the debt that he made higher.
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If you mean that, it must be true. If not, is it a violation of Halacha to say so? Similar to swearing?
No testify or to affirm is not the same as swearing.
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I know about affirming.
Wonga acts like a religious Jew but says wacky things. Do you think he/she is a self-hating Jew who knows about Judaism that tries to make religious Jews look bad or is Wonga really who he/she says he/she is?
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I know about affirming.
Wonga acts like a religious Jew but says wacky things. Do you think he/she is a self-hating Jew who knows about Judaism that tries to make religious Jews look bad or is Wonga really who he/she says he/she is?
He is really who he says he is & is a proud Jew.
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He is really who he says he is & is a proud Jew.
Why does he say such antisemitic stuff? This is not the first time he has said things from out in left field..
I swear I think this guy is a troll... Constantly saying things and attributing things to Rabbis which they did not say... I have asked him repeatedly to provide sources for his quotes, but he has been unable to support his position, which leads me to conclude he is just saying things to be controversial...
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Here is a true story about the Chofetz Chaim... Stressing, as Chaim pointed out, the importance of giving Tzedakah...
http://www.artscroll.com/Chapters/tzth-008.html
What Terrified the Chofetz Chaim
R’ Naftoli Neuberger of Yeshivas Ner Yisroel of Baltimore told me the following story:
Once someone noticed that the Chofetz Chaim was fasting on a regular weekday, which was out of character for him despite his extraordinary piety and holiness. This individual pressured the tzaddik to explain why he was fasting. The Chofetz Chaim explained that it was a taanis chalom, a fast in response to having a bad dream. The man continued to pressure the Chofetz Chaim to reveal more details. “Rebbe, what was so bad about your dream that you are doing something so drastic as to fast on account of it?” The Chofetz Chaim felt compelled to reveal the dream’s content. “It was really a ‘shrecklicher cholom,’ a terrifying nightmare! I actually dreamt that I became a rich man!” The curious questioner continued to ask, “Nu, Rebbe, what is so terrible about becoming a rich man?” “Oy vey!” cried the Chofetz Chaim, “Being rich is an awesome responsibility! If I have a lot of money that means that I must distribute a great deal of tzedakah. Do you have any idea how hard it is to distribute tzedakah properly? And do you realize how much time and effort it takes? It would take me so much time that I would hardly have any time left for Torah study! Believe me, for me, wealth is a nightmare.”
The Chofetz Chaim paused for a moment and added, “The truth of the matter is that there was something even more terrifying about that dream. The Gemara teaches that we dream at night about the things we think about by day. If I dreamt about money at night that means that I’ve been thinking about money all day! Woe unto me that it is money and not Torah that is occupying my thoughts throughout my waking hours!”
The Rich Are Addicted to Their Money!
The Chofetz Chaim would caution the poor not to judge the rich too harshly when they failed to give charity properly. The kindly Sage of Radin had this to say in their favor: “Once I witnessed this scene while I was in Vilna. I saw a man lying dead drunk right in the middle of the street. All the little street urchins were dancing around this pitiful figure and mocking him for his despicable, drunken state. One adult passed by and saw the drunken man sprawled out in the public thoroughfare and addressed him with a smile on his face: “Woe unto you, my friend, you have no idea what your intoxication has done to you! If I would get drunk, I would at least attempt to salvage my self-respect! I would make sure not to drop down dead drunk in the middle of the street!” The critical passerby fails to realize that once a person is drunk, he has no control over his actions.
“Similarly”, said the Chofetz Chaim, “many people accuse the wealthy of terrible stinginess, and claim that if only they were rich they would certainly donate huge amounts to charity. However, these people forget that they are making these generous claims now, when they are still poor, and their hearts are soft and sensitive. Little do these folks realize that the minute they become rich their hearts undergo a dramatic transformation and they become hard and tough. Their open hands close and they become tight fisted. Why? Because wealth can easily become addictive, just like alcohol! You will never comprehend why rich men act as they do until you become rich yourself!”
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One more parable to remind us how important helping the disadvantaged is:
The wicked Turanus Rufus, the cruel Roman governor of the conquered land of Israel, asked this very same question of R’ Akiva: “If your God is a lover of the poor, for what reason does He not sustain them?” To this R’ Akiva replied: “God makes people needy in order that, through our giving them charity, we may be saved from the judgment of Gehinnom.
Turanus Rufus said to R’ Akiva, “On the contrary! This giving of charity is what actually condemns you to be punished in Gehinnom! I shall illustrate this concept for you with a parable. To what is this matter similar? It is analogous to a human king who was angry at his servant. He had the servant incarcerated in a dungeon and ordered that no one feed him or give him drink. Subsequently, one man defied the king’s orders and fed the imprisoned servant and gave him to drink. When the king hears about this man’s actions, is he not angry at the man? You Jews are called servants of God, as it says, For unto Me the Children of Israel are servants! (Leviticus 25:55). Hence, by giving charity you actually violate the edict of God, your King, and so through charity you incur the judgment of Gehinnom.”
R’ Akiva said to Turanus Rufus: “I shall illustrate the situation for you with a different parable. To what is this matter of giving charity similar? It is analogous to the case of a human king who was angry at his son. He had the son incarcerated in a dungeon and ordered that no one feed him or give him drink. Subsequently, one man defied the king’s orders and fed the imprisoned son and gave him to drink. When the king hears about this man’s actions, does he not send the man a gift? Although the king imprisoned his son, we know that he did not want his son to die, for no normal father ever desires to kill his child. Thus, although the son’s misconduct may have compelled the king to imprison his son, he would undoubtedly reward anyone who sustained his child. And we Jews are called sons of God, as it is written, Sons are you to Hashem, your God (Deuteronomy 14:1). Thus, although we are imprisoned in exile, the Jews are still God’s children, and one who sustains the poor among them with gifts of charity earns God’s gratitude and is thus absolved from the judgment of Gehinnom.
Turanus Rufus objected to this explanation and said to R’ Akiva: “You Jews are called God’s ‘children’ in one verse and are called His ‘servants’ in another verse. The explanation for this seeming discrepancy is that at the time that you fulfill the Omnipresent’s will you are called His ‘children’ and it is appropriate to give charity to the poor among you. But when you do not do the will of the Omnipresent, you are called His ‘servants,’ and do not merit charity. And now, at this present time, you are obviously not doing the will of the Almighty, for He has subjugated you to the Romans! It is therefore improper for you to give charity to the poor at this time.”
R’ Akiva, however, countered this argument of Turanus Rufus and said to him: “Behold, Scripture states: You will break your bread for the hungry, and the wailing poor you will bring to the house (Isaiah 58:7). When does the verse and the wailing poor you will bring to the house apply? Certainly it refers to the present situation when the Roman government impoverishes us and makes us miserable with unbearable taxes. And yet the verse states that even in such difficult times you will break your bread for the hungry! Scripture thus teaches that God desires us to give charity even when we have earned His condemnation because of our transgressions.”
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Why does he say such antisemitic stuff? This is not the first time he has said things from out in left field..
I swear I think this guy is a troll... Constantly saying things and attributing things to Rabbis which they did not say... I have asked him repeatedly to provide sources for his quotes, but he has been unable to support his position, which leads me to conclude he is just saying things to be controversial...
Not a troll but likes to be controversial.
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Not a troll but likes to be controversial.
Do you know Wonga in real life? Is Wonga a man? Wonga in the past has used names that seem like a woman's name such as Nonny, Fleschette, and Mifletzet.
Wonga sounds feminine as well.
Does Wonga live in Israel? Perhaps admins can track the IP of where he lives.
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Do you know Wonga in real life? Is Wonga a man? Wonga in the past has used names that seem like a woman's name such as Nonny, Fleschette, and Mifletzet.
Wonga sounds feminine as well.
Does Wonga live in Israel? Perhaps admins can track the IP of where he lives.
Yes I do & he is a man.
Yes he lives in Israel & there are tricks to use to hide the IP
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Then why does he use names like Nonny?
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Then why does he use names like Nonny?
It's a nickname.
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It's a nickname.
A nickname for his real name or just a made up name like Wonga for use on forums?
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A nickname for his real name or just a made up name like Wonga for use on forums?
A nickname for his real name.
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So I guess you won't tell us his real name then.
Could it be Elchanan? You know how Ashkenazim say o. Real Hebrew has an o that sounds like o in the word No or the Hebrew word Lo.
Ashkenazim say the o like you pronounce the u in the English word Bus.
So Nonny would say his name Elchanon. He has also repeatebly used such Yiddishy sounding mispronounciations in his posts. Why does he denigrate Sefaradim by calling them Sefards? Sefaradim are not the country Spain but rather Spanish Jews (Or who follow the Spanish Minhag such as Mizrachim.).
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pY2L0cdMBeQ
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So I guess you won't tell us his real name then.
Could it be Elchanan? You know how Ashkenazim say o. Real Hebrew has an o that sounds like o in the word No or the Hebrew word Lo.
Ashkenazim say the o like you pronounce the u in the English word Bus.
So Nonny would say his name Elchanon. He has also repeatebly used such Yiddishy sounding mispronounciations in his posts. Why does he denigrate Sefaradim by calling them Sefards? Sefaradim are not the country Spain but rather Spanish Jews (Or who follow the Spanish Minhag such as Mizrachim.).
No I won't tell you his real name,however if he wants that is his perogative.
When speaking English nothing wrong with saying Sefards or Ashkenazes as im is a Hebrew plural.
How do you say Spain in Hebrew? Sefarad.
It is just like Ethiopia in Biblical Hebrew is Cush or France is Tzarfat.
Also who says Sephardi pronounciatin is more correct than Ashkenazi pronouncian?
If anything Yemenite pronounciation is closer to Biblical pronounciation & some like Rabbi Daid Bar Hayim & Rabbi Binyamin Kahane's,ZT"L.HY"D father in law Avraham Herzlich daven with that pronounciation.
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No I won't tell you his real name,however if he wants that is his perogative.
When speaking English nothing wrong with saying Sefards or Ashkenazes as im is a Hebrew plural.
How do you say Spain in Hebrew? Sefarad.
It is just like Ethiopia in Biblical Hebrew is Cush or France is Tzarfat.
Also who says Sephardi pronounciatin is more correct than Ashkenazi pronouncian?
If anything Yemenite pronounciation is closer to Biblical pronounciation & some like Rabbi Daid Bar Hayim & Rabbi Binyamin Kahane's,ZT"L.HY"D father in law Avraham Herzlich daven with that pronounciation.
Amen on that.. I am Ashkenazi and use Ashkenazi pronunciation, and while I don't want to start arguments, I must say I took those statements in a way I shouldn't relate.
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The quote of the Chofetz Chaim is brought in Rav Rafael Eisenberg's Chevlei Moshiach Bizmaneinu and nowhere does it imply meanness or antisemitism!
Why do you fellows often get the wrong end of the stick and fly off at such tangents, especially against fellow Kahanists? I never bring up any subject that is not supported or sourced in Chazal.
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So I guess you won't tell us his real name then.
Nor should he.
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I do & I testify he is a bonafide Jew & Kahanist who I personally know for about 40 years.
Thank You, that is exactly what I wanted to know. I did not want to know his real name!
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Wonga is certainly NOT Kahanist. He is misogynistic towards women and antisemitic towards Jews. He also told us himself that he prefers to patronize Arab owned businesses and services like Doctors and Lawyers because they are cheaper.
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Wonga is certainly NOT Kahanist. He is misogynistic towards women and antisemitic towards Jews. He also told us himself that he prefers to patronize Arab owned businesses and services like Doctors and Lawyers because they are cheaper.
This is so not true I know the guy & you you don't.
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This is so not true I know the guy & you you don't.
He wrote that himself you can look it up here in the forum.
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He wrote that himself you can look it up here in the forum.
Where?
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Here I found what I was referring to:
http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,54118.0.html
"Wonga":
"Shame to tell, but I use an Arab dentist, an Arab doctor, an Arab pharmacist, an Arab optician, an Arab lawyer, an Arab building contractor, Arab bank staff, Arab gas station attendant, an (Xtian) Arab bus driver and an Arab taxi driver: they are generally better than their (Israeli) Jewish equivalent, because they have a chip on their shoulder, and try to serve the customer better.
And they are half the price of their Jewish equivalent! My experience with Israeli Arab and Israeli Druze policemen and judges impressed me more than their Jewish counterparts! (and an Arab cleaner cleans my street!)
As R.Kahane said: "Some hate us more - some hate us less - but they all hate!".
But with the loss of the Jewish Work Ethic in the State of Israel, I suspect that the country would fall apart if you expelled all the working Arabs!"
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Here I found what I was referring to:
http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,54118.0.html
"Wonga":
"Shame to tell, but I use an Arab dentist, an Arab doctor, an Arab pharmacist, an Arab optician, an Arab lawyer, an Arab building contractor, Arab bank staff, Arab gas station attendant, an (Xtian) Arab bus driver and an Arab taxi driver: they are generally better than their (Israeli) Jewish equivalent, because they have a chip on their shoulder, and try to serve the customer better.
And they are half the price of their Jewish equivalent! My experience with Israeli Arab and Israeli Druze policemen and judges impressed me more than their Jewish counterparts! (and an Arab cleaner cleans my street!)
As R.Kahane said: "Some hate us more - some hate us less - but they all hate!".
But with the loss of the Jewish Work Ethic in the State of Israel, I suspect that the country would fall apart if you expelled all the working Arabs!"
Who says this is the same person?
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No I won't tell you his real name,however if he wants that is his perogative.
When speaking English nothing wrong with saying Sefards or Ashkenazes as im is a Hebrew plural.
How do you say Spain in Hebrew? Sefarad.
It is just like Ethiopia in Biblical Hebrew is Cush or France is Tzarfat.
Also who says Sephardi pronounciatin is more correct than Ashkenazi pronouncian?
If anything Yemenite pronounciation is closer to Biblical pronounciation & some like Rabbi Daid Bar Hayim & Rabbi Binyamin Kahane's,ZT"L.HY"D father in law Avraham Herzlich daven with that pronounciation.
The English plural of Sefaradim is Sfardics or Sefardics just like the English plural for Ashkenazim is Ashkenazics. I doubt what you say is even used in Yiddish. You would need to add a nun sofit for plural in Yiddish as far as I know, like how you say Yiden.
Also, there is no such thing as "Sephardi". In English it's Sefardic and in Hebrew it's Sefaradi. The English ending had ic to make it an adjective and in Hebrew there is another a that some people leave our for some reason, like someone people leave out the e when there is a shevah. It's more acceptable to leave at the e for the shevah in the beginning than to lave out the a towards the end. In English you don't need either becuase Sfardic or Sefardic is an English adjective. It's also silly how you hear people say in English Ashkenazi with the emphasis on NA. They take the Hebrew word and miss the emphasis on the wrong sylable even though there is a word in English (Ashkenazic) that can be used.
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Who says this is the same person?
Wonga and Yerusha are the most recent examples of the many usernames Nonny has used over the years after being banned on his old ones. Mifletzet, Fleschette (However he spelled it.), and others I don't remember are other examples he used in the past.
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Yerusha and wonga are the same based on their writing styles to be 100% the exact same.
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It sounds like Nonny is jealous of Nafraudi.
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I do & I testify he is a bonafide Jew & Kahanist who I personally know for about 40 years.
I personally never found Wonga to personally attack any of us to his credit. But Wonga, you make outlandish statements and no one really knows why you do this