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Ben-Artzi: Keep 'Assimilator' Off Israeli Money
Tchernichovsky was a great poet, but he was also married to a gentile. He should not be turned into a 'hero,' says well-known lecturer.
By David Lev
First Publish: 5/5/2013, 9:21 PM
Dr. Hagai Ben-Artzi
Arutz Sheva
Dr. Hagai Ben-Artzi, a Bar Ilan University lecturer and brother in-law of Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu, slammed the government's plan to issue currency with the likeness of Hebrew poet Shaul Tchernichovsky. Turning Tchernichovsky into a “national icon” was a terrible idea and would set a bad example – because of his longtime marriage to a Christian woman, he explained.
“We cannot turn him into a national symbol, since he disdained such an important component of Jewish identity and intermarried, increasing assimilation,” Ben-Artzi said.
Ben-Artzi stressed that his stance had nothing to do with Tchernichovsky's contributions to Hebrew literature. Many of his works contain important Jewish and Zionistic themes, but when it came to putting him up on a pedestal by including his image on the new currency to be issued by the state, his personal life choices could not be overlooked. “We should, and must, study his poetry,” Ben-Artzi said. “There are many positive things in his poems, and some less positive things. My late father, as a literature teacher, used to teach Tchernichovsky's poems.
“But in this case the poet's personal life becomes an issue, as they seek to turn him into a national symbol but putting his image on currency,” Ben-Artzi said. “Someone who intermarried and assimilated cannot be a national symbol for Israel. It is a blow to the basic ethos of the Jewish people, which has been fighting against assimilation and intermarriage.”
Ben-Artzi compared the issue with that of the struggle by Rabbi Avraham Yitzchak Hacohen Kook in the days before the establishment of the state to block the appointment of Max Nordau as the successor to Theodor Herzl to lead the World Zionist Congress. Nordau was married to a non-Jew who could not be converted.
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Bennett: Put Sephardi Heritage on Israel’s Bills
Bennett wants Israeli currency to showcase Sephardi heritage, too.
By Maayana Miskin
First Publish: 4/28/2013, 11:59 AM
Israeli currency (illustrative)
Flash 90
The government will vote Sunday on a new series of bills that the Bank of Israel plans to issue. The proposed designs for the bills will be presented to the cabinet.
Among those to be honored on the new bills are Hebrew-language poets Leah Goldberg, Natan Alterman, and Shaul Tchernichovsky.
Minister of Trade and Labor Naftali Bennett has noted that the bills showcase figures of European Jewish (Ashkenazi) heritage, and has called to add bills that celebrate famous personalities of Spanish Jewish (Sephardi) and Middle Eastern Jewish (Mizrachi) descent as well.
“This morning during the cabinet vote I will insist that they also include a Sephardi poet or poetess on the new bills,” Bennett wrote on his Facebook page.
In an individual tribute to Spanish Jewish poetry, Bennett quoted the famous poem by Rabbi Yehuda Halevi:
"My heart is in the east, and I in the uttermost west--
How can I find savour in food? How shall it be sweet to me?
How shall I render my vows and my bonds, while yet
Zion lieth beneath the fetter of Edom, and I in Arab chains?
A light thing would it seem to me to leave all the good things of Spain --
Seeing how precious in mine eyes to behold the dust of the desolate sanctuary."
“This poem was written in the Middle Ages, and expresses the Jews’ eternal longing for the land of Israel,” Bennett said.
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For [censored]'s sake.
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Binyamin, I will say it because you may not have been here a few years ago when we had a big debate about the K word.
I am one who things using such a word works against our goal. The K-word is a derogitory word used against all Jews and it is very offensive to some very good Jews... I have had some people I referred to JTF tell me they would never read an antisemitic site like JTF because it uses the K word... I am serious. I know others do not agree with me, but I believe the general consensus is to avoid using it.
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It comes from the word "circle" and is a cheap insult directed at all Jews.
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Binyamin, I will say it because you may not have been here a few years ago when we had a big debate about the K word.
I am one who things using such a word works against our goal. The K-word is a derogitory word used against all Jews and it is very offensive to some very good Jews... I have had some people I referred to JTF tell me they would never read an antisemitic site like JTF because it uses the K word... I am serious. I know others do not agree with me, but I believe the general consensus is to avoid using it.
I don't have a business contact or family member who I wouldn't get disowned by if I showed them this site. There needs to be a JTF lite with no $%$%W@ [censored].
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Israelis are all kikes
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I've heard Chaim refer to self-hating Jews as kikes.
Blacks call each other the N word as a compliment. It's the same to them as calling each other bros or homies.
JTF uses kike to refer to self-hating Jews. Some also use the N word to refer to bad blacks (Not good ones like Alan Keyes.) or self-hating whites.
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I've heard Chaim refer to self-hating Jews as kikes.
Blacks call each other the N word as a compliment. It's the same to them as calling each other bros or homies.
JTF uses kike to refer to self-hating Jews. Some also use the N word to refer to bad blacks (Not good ones like Alan Keyes.) or self-hating whites.
So you want to emulate the blacks... I don't...
Yes, Chaim has said it, and in most cases it is deserved. But it should not become accepted to call someone by that name. Non-Jews and Jew haters just see it and then it becomes acceptable to call all of us by the K word.
I really find the expression degrading... I have had to deck people who called me by such a name, and I would do it again if someone called it to my face...
It is acceptable to my standards to call them selfhating Jews... I really don't know why it is acceptable to Chaim to use such a word when it has been used against ALL Jews. Nobody except those 'in the loop' know that you are only referring to self-hating jews.
PS: Did Rabbi Kahane Z'tl ever refer to jews using this term?
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I don't think Tchernichovsky was a "kike", unless you want to define every secular Jew as "kike". Bear in mind he died in 1943 in Israel, he was a zionist, he could live in America if he wanted to. He wasn't part of the traitorous insane peacenick organisations like "Brit Shalom" (the predecessor to "peace now" which had been founded by real kikes in 1925), I am not sure if he was a socialist, it doesn't seem like he was.
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Israelis are all kikes
[censored] you.
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Israelis are all kikes
Working hard on that Ahavat Yisrael mitzvah aren't we?
Some of us need to work on the following commandments:
Leviticus 19
14. You shall not curse a deaf person. You shall not place a stumbling block before a blind person, and you shall fear your God. I am the Lord.
15. You shall commit no injustice in judgment; you shall not favor a poor person or respect a great man; you shall judge your fellow with righteousness.
16. You shall not go around as a gossipmonger amidst your people. You shall not stand by [the shedding of] your fellow's blood. I am the Lord.
17. You shall not hate your brother in your heart. You shall surely rebuke your fellow, but you shall not bear a sin on his account.
18. You shall neither take revenge from nor bear a grudge against the members of your people; you shall love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord.
יח. לֹא תִקֹּם וְלֹא תִטֹּר אֶת בְּנֵי עַמֶּךָ וְאָהַבְתָּ לְרֵעֲךָ כָּמוֹךָ אֲנִי יְהוָֹה:
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I kinda miss being called a dumb bohemie. .. Anyone?
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Working hard on that Ahavat Yisrael mitzvah aren't we?
Some of us need to work on the following commandments:
Leviticus 19
14. You shall not curse a deaf person. You shall not place a stumbling block before a blind person, and you shall fear your God. I am the Lord.
15. You shall commit no injustice in judgment; you shall not favor a poor person or respect a great man; you shall judge your fellow with righteousness.
16. You shall not go around as a gossipmonger amidst your people. You shall not stand by [the shedding of] your fellow's blood. I am the Lord.
17. You shall not hate your brother in your heart. You shall surely rebuke your fellow, but you shall not bear a sin on his account.
18. You shall neither take revenge from nor bear a grudge against the members of your people; you shall love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord.
יח. לֹא תִקֹּם וְלֹא תִטֹּר אֶת בְּנֵי עַמֶּךָ וְאָהַבְתָּ לְרֵעֲךָ כָּמוֹךָ אֲנִי יְהוָֹה:
I see your point now bro.
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I kinda miss being called a dumb bohemie. .. Anyone?
I had to google this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemianism
And right at ch'ya.
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So you want to emulate the blacks... I don't...
Blacks use the N word as a compliment. I don't use kike as a compliment. I use it to refer to self-hating Jews and sometimes Nazis.
I use the N word to refer to bad blacks and self-hating whites. I don't use either kike or the N word as a compliment.
If JTF is against using kike, why is it not censored the way the N word is? JTF allows people to say kike and faggot. The N word is not allowed because people would say we're racist against all blacks since blacks view it as an insult when non-blacks use the term.
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Blacks use the N word as a compliment. I don't use kike as a compliment. I use it to refer to self-hating Jews and sometimes Nazis.
I use the N word to refer to bad blacks and self-hating whites. I don't use either kike or the N word as a compliment.
If JTF is against using kike, why is it not censored the way the N word is? JTF allows people to say kike and faggot. The N word is not allowed because people would say we're racist against all blacks since blacks view it as an insult when non-blacks use the term.
I am not stating 'JTF policy' just an informal agreement which was made several years ago to avoid using the term. Others agreed with me...
Let me see if I can find those discussions..
Here is the discussion I started in 2009 on the topic...
http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,30461.0.html
PS: I still love you and all who use the term, so don't think I am trying to oppose you.
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Israelis are all kikes
:laugh: your Israeli !
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I don't think Tchernichovsky was a "kike", unless you want to define every secular Jew as "kike". Bear in mind he died in 1943 in Israel, he was a zionist, he could live in America if he wanted to. He wasn't part of the traitorous insane peacenick organisations like "Brit Shalom" (the predecessor to "peace now" which had been founded by real kikes in 1925), I am not sure if he was a socialist, it doesn't seem like he was.
I don't know who he was, but marrying a shiksa and cutting yourself out of the Jewish people is pretty bad and evil. Not him nor anyone else like that should be made into any role model. The bank notes should have Rabbis like Rav Kook, Rav Kahane perhaps (fine not accepted by "main stream" for now) but at least Rav Kook, the Rambam and others as well. Why they have self-haters? This is why some Haredim and Datim avoid using Israeli currency, they don't want to give recognition and carry the pictures of sick self haters and enemies of the Torah and Am Yisrael.
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I don't know who he was, but marrying a shiksa and cutting yourself out of the Jewish people is pretty bad and evil. Not him nor anyone else like that should be made into any role model. The bank notes should have Rabbis like Rav Kook, Rav Kahane perhaps (fine not accepted by "main stream" for now) but at least Rav Kook, the Rambam and others as well. Why they have self-haters? This is why some Haredim and Datim avoid using Israeli currency, they don't want to give recognition and carry the pictures of sick self haters and enemies of the Torah and Am Yisrael.
I agree that these kinds of secular 'jews' should not be on the currency. But until Moshiach comes I doubt Israeli society will mind too much these personalities.
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I had to google this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemianism
And right at ch'ya.
Nope, wrong one. :::D :::D http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemia
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Nope, wrong one. :::D :::D http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemia
Are you from the Czech republic? Why would someone call you a Bohem.
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Are you from the Czech republic? Why would someone call you a Bohem.
I was just trying to lighten the mood... No! But I grew up in a czech community, a large percentage of my blood is czech, my mothers family came from there in the early 1900's . My family called me that to be funny, we all called each other that... My family still spoke the language.
You knew that? Are you from the Ukraine?
Do you want to see the paperwork from the Austrian Hungry Empire?
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I was just trying to lighten the mood... No! But I grew up in a czech community, a large percentage of my blood is czech, my mothers family came from there in the early 1900's . My family called me that to be funny, we all called each other that... My family still spoke the language.
You knew that? Are you from the Ukraine?
Do you want to see the paperwork from the Austrian Hungry Empire?
I was not aware you are descended from Czech's... And yes I am descended from Ukrainian and Polish Jewish families...
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I also used to live in this community... http://m.ncsml.org/Location/Default.aspx Some of my family worked at the museum....
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America and Israel are suffering from extreme persecution, (Jews and Christians) just as Christ said we would!
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[censored] you.
say that to my face ya sharmuta I love cum dumpsters like you you whor e behind the computer but in reality you send a battalion of cops to protect your wet ass like that filthy subhuman "ephraim" and chabadnik toilet muman
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Why do you curse everyone?
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Who is Ron and is his goal to go around making the right look bad? Or are you just an idiot?
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say that to my face ya sharmuta I love cum dumpsters like you you whor e behind the computer but in reality you send a battalion of cops to protect your wet ass like that filthy subhuman "ephraim" and chabadnik toilet muman
:'( :laugh:
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Ron, I don't care how tough you are, this is not a good idea! Someone please remove this post!
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say that to my face ya sharmuta I love cum dumpsters like you you whor e behind the computer but in reality you send a battalion of cops to protect your wet ass like that filthy subhuman "ephraim" and chabadnik toilet muman
Never snitched in my life, and sure as [censored] never ran, especially from a [censored]. I'll catch you when I'm in town. Sharmuta? You're a head-bagger?
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say that to my face ya sharmuta I love cum dumpsters like you you whor e behind the computer but in reality you send a battalion of cops to protect your wet ass like that filthy subhuman "ephraim" and chabadnik toilet muman
Go Blow...
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בס''ד
I apologize to JTFers for the misbehavior of one of our former members. I just banned him.
Let's not start a bashing campaign against him now. Let's just move on and forget about this, please.
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בס''ד
I apologize to JTFers for the misbehavior of one of our former members. I just banned him.
Let's not start a bashing campaign against him now. Let's just move on and forget about this, please.
Thank you...
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בס''ד
I apologize to JTFers for the misbehavior of one of our former members. I just banned him.
Let's not start a bashing campaign against him now. Let's just move on and forget about this, please.
Chaim, I do not mean to drag this out, and I feel bad he was banned... But either Ron has turned against us, or something is seriously wrong with him. I would hope that anyone that was close with him would keep in contact with him to make sure he is ok.
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I never thought Ron was 'with us'. He has always been a trouble maker, IMO...
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You'd rather Alan Dershowitz be on Israeli Bank Notes?
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You'd rather Alan Dershowitz be on Israeli Bank Notes?
Who are you asking? Or are you asking everyone?
I doubt anyone here would want 'Douchowitz' on Israeli currency though...
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Chaim, I do not mean to drag this out, and I feel bad he was banned... But either Ron has turned against us, or something is seriously wrong with him. I would hope that anyone that was close with him would keep in contact with him to make sure he is ok.
It's me, I tend to drag out people's toxic sides so I can feed on them. Scamming people who think they're scamming you over the phone has its psychological effects at 13.
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Who are you asking? Or are you asking everyone?
I doubt anyone here would want 'Douchowitz' on Israeli currency though...
I know who he is... He's the same one that always uses stupid avatars...
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Chaim, I do not mean to drag this out, and I feel bad he was banned... But either Ron has turned against us, or something is seriously wrong with him. I would hope that anyone that was close with him would keep in contact with him to make sure he is ok.
בס''ד
I also feel bad that Ron was banned. He created Hebrew videos and tried to promote our Hebrew forum. I wish the very best for him and pray that Hashem helps him.
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Is he still on the Hebrew forum? I thought he was supposed to be a good member there but didn't get along with the members here because of his Anti-Xtianity posts.
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Is he still on the Hebrew forum? I thought he was supposed to be a good member there but didn't get along with the members here because of his Anti-Xtianity posts.
He attacks anyone, even Jews, like a rabid dog... He got cocky with me several times...
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Is he still on the Hebrew forum? I thought he was supposed to be a good member there but didn't get along with the members here because of his Anti-Xtianity posts.
OKAY! That's bullsheIt because he didn't get along with some Jews as well!
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Is he still on the Hebrew forum? I thought he was supposed to be a good member there but didn't get along with the members here because of his Anti-Xtianity posts.
How come every time people talk about him its way better tan how he talks?
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How come every time people talk about him its way better tan how he talks?
Because he is a good person, that has had some tough times!
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Because he is a good person, that has had some tough times!
Dude read his posts. If he doesn't have something not nice to say about somebody, he didn't say anything. That's the problem with a political mass-movement. The masses don't want to be politicized. Some people really don't like anyone but a handful of buddies, and won't act differently even when politics are involved. It's kinda like Rubystars' question on another level. The mass-movement, where you talk about emotional stories and give people things to direct emotion at, has to be separate from the political, where you talk about what you're going to do. All the level 2s here know him, and I'm sure he wouldn't have gotten banned from a higher level chat.
That also works a lower way too. Give people a place where say you write all the evil verses in the kkkoran and imam speeches and post them in categories or you just post links to save whatever country in a thing for mods to review and post as input from our guests or as a completely separate site just devoted to that. Either way, there has to be a place someone who said something bad can still be active, or you bleed members.
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OKAY! That's bullsheIt because he didn't get along with some Jews as well!
Did he curse members of the Hebrew forum? I recall Chaim saying how the English forum people don't see the good he does on the Hebrew forum. Is he banned there too?
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Did he curse members of the Hebrew forum? I recall Chaim saying how the English forum people don't see the good he does on the Hebrew forum. Is he banned there too?
You guys sure seem interested in this...
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Did he curse members of the Hebrew forum? I recall Chaim saying how the English forum people don't see the good he does on the Hebrew forum. Is he banned there too?
I'm sure he's a trooper, and who cares if he's still there.
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You guys sure seem interested in this...
http://en.musicplayon.com/play?v=394149
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http://en.musicplayon.com/play?v=394149
I like nate dogg, so what does that have anything to do with?
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What does rap noise have to do with anything?
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I also like this! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1plPyJdXKIY&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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I like nate dogg, so what does that have anything to do with?
Not that I've yet figured out what he personally meant by it, but he called you a sub-one, so here's your victory song. Actually I figured people would be confused and not post here for a while.
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I also like this! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1plPyJdXKIY&feature=youtube_gdata_player
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCz0NFZABiI
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Mos Def feat. Pharoahe Monch & Nate Dogg - Oh No [HQ]
I guess he thinks Pharaoh was black. He's partially right because the current Pharaoh (Obama) is black.
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I guess he thinks Pharaoh was black. He's partially right because the current Pharaoh (Obama) is black.
And from east to west coast they roll.
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Not that I've yet figured out what he personally meant by it, but he called you a sub-one, so here's your victory song. Actually I figured people would be confused and not post here for a while.
I don't care what people think! I'm very versatile, I have been in many different environments! He probably meant I was a dumb wigger, which is wrong and I don't care. Drop us both in the woods with nothing and see who comes out...
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Did he curse members of the Hebrew forum? I recall Chaim saying how the English forum people don't see the good he does on the Hebrew forum. Is he banned there too?
Ron has a 'kill' style of relating to others. Either you are with him, in all of his pornographic andmore importantly hateful vulgarity or you are persona non-grata, an enemy of the Jewish state. He attacked many members on the forum and was not a voice of productive cooperation. I'm not saying that he didn't do good things for the hebrew Forum, I never knew him from that perspective
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I don't care what people think! I'm very versatile, I have been in many different environments! He probably meant I was a dumb wigger, which is wrong and I don't care. Drop us both in the woods with nothing and see who comes out...
If Ron ben Michael didn't see a sub-human fall in the woods, did it really fall?