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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: muman613 on June 12, 2014, 03:59:01 PM
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Shalom,
I am a tad bit angered at the recent news that Iraq has slid into the hands of the Islamic Jihad movement. On a personal note, a good friend of mine lost his daughter in the early days of the Iraq war... For what? To establish another Islamic state in the Middle East?
Obama has bungled the Iraq situation according to the original mission. But I suspect Obama truly supports the jihadists around the world and has worked tirelessly to establish Islamic states in Libya, Egypt, Tunisia, and Iraq. If something is not done to solidify the situaton in Iraq most pundits believe that Iran will fill the void and support any Islamic Jihadi group to create another Islamic state in the region (a part of the global caliphate Islam seeks to establish).
Obamas 'lead from behind' rhetoric has failed again and again. His reset buttons were cheap plastic baubles. His foreign policy was based on flawed 'chicago community organizer' tactics.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/06/12/americans-being-evacuated-from-iraqi-air-base/
Americans were being evacuated Thursday from a major Iraqi air base as Al Qaeda-aligned militants toppled cities in the country's north and threatened to advance toward Baghdad.
A senior U.S. official confirmed to Fox News that Americans were being evacuated from a base in Balad, which had been one of the largest training missions in Iraq.
Regarding those assurances, one U.S. official clarified to Fox News: "At the same time, we are not going to do anything stupid."
The development signals the worsening security environment in the northern part of the country. One senior official told Fox News that the focus for evacuation at this point is on people outside of Baghdad.
Two senior intelligence sources, though, told Fox News there is serious concern about how to evacuate other Americans out of Iraq if the situation further deteriorates.
The three planeloads of Americans are mostly contractors and civilians. The State Department said Thursday that the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad is operating as usual.
But the evacuation means that the vital training mission at Balad, about an hour northwest of Baghdad, has been suspended indefinitely -- despite repeated administration statements that it would continue to support Iraq's military.
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You beat me to it.
http://pamelageller.com/2014/06/al-qaeda-parade-american-humvees-seize-429m-citys-central-bank-make-worlds-richest-terror-force.html/
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"If something is not done to solidify the situaton in Iraq most pundits believe that Iran will fill the void and support any Islamic Jihadi group to create another Islamic state in the region "
Actually they ISIS are against Iran. Iran does and would support scumm such as Hezbollah (Shia) and Hamas (although Sunni but anti-Israel).
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/12/iran-police-chief-tehran-could-intervene-in-iraq-to-protect-shia-shrines.html
The border patrol has increased its vigilance on the Iran-Iraq border,” said Iran’s police chief, Esmail Ahmadi-Moghaddam. “The country’s Supreme National Security Council would consider intervening to protect Shia shrines and cities.”
Ahmadi-Moghaddam has been the only high-ranking Iranian official to comment on the advances made by the Sunni extremist group Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS). According to IranWire sources, Iranian officials have been ordered to remain quiet about the events in neighboring Iraq and ISIS victories. “Iranian officials have been told not to comment, or else,” said a wary former high-ranking Iranian diplomat to IranWire.
According to the former diplomat, Iranian plans in Iraq are summarized in the wisdom of one man: “We all know that Haj Ghassem is hard at work trying to control the situation”—referring to Ghassem Suleimani, the legendary commander of the Quds Force, Iran’s Revolutionary Guards Extraterritorial Force, and perhaps the closest person to Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. “Our forces will do whatever it takes to protect the border, and the holy shrines from this bunch of thugs. And ISIS are nothing but a group of hooligans. They know what can happen if Iran gets involved in the situation, and that is why they are in such a hurry to carry out their dirty acts.”
Iran’s designs in Iraq, and the rest of the Middle East, have been looked at with a degree of cynicism and fear. Many Arab diplomats regard Persian Iranians as untrustworthy neighbors who secretly ally themselves with anyone to protect their interests.
Last week a member of Syrian opposition accused Iran of secretly helping ISIS. According to Abdul Halim Khaddam, the former vice president to Syria’s Bashar Assad, Iran is arming ISIS in order to undermine the Syrian opposition. By strengthening ISIS, Khaddam claimed, Iran was seeking to draw Syrian public sentiment back toward Assad, recasting the battle as Bashar’s battle against extremist onslaught.
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Muman,
I don't think this was a bad development. Not one American soldier should die in this hell hole. Let them turn Iraq into Syria. This would be the best outcome for Israel and USA.
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Muman,
I don't think this was a bad development. Not one American soldier should die in this hell hole. Let them turn Iraq into Syria. This would be the best outcome for Israel and USA.
I think the opposite of your thinking. It is worse for America and Israel to have an Islamic caliphate surrounding Israel. No matter which of these Islamic organizations win the next target will be Israel and the USA...
We should continue to support the democracy which was elected. To turn our backs on it will just be the death knell of American global dominance. Now nobody will trust America to support them, as Israel has learned America is not to be trusted.
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:usa+israel: :fist:
This is how pathetic things are. It is either deliberate or simply poor engineering that resulted in this fiasco.
The removal of Saddam Insane among other things and the disaster that ensued thereafter led to this.
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It's deliberate! Osamba has done everything to help the Islamic caliphate.
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I think the opposite of your thinking. It is worse for America and Israel to have an Islamic caliphate surrounding Israel. No matter which of these Islamic organizations win the next target will be Israel and the USA...
We should continue to support the democracy which was elected. To turn our backs on it will just be the death knell of American global dominance. Now nobody will trust America to support them, as Israel has learned America is not to be trusted.
There is no democracy in Iraq. The caliphate is unlikely, as Irag will become that battlefield between Iran and Saudis. The death knell to US dominance was in November 2008. Nobody now really trusts US to support them, US due to its "low IQ leadership" (this is how actually it is described in the Russian press, is a laughing stock of the world.
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Muslamic terrorists will succeed in establishing the last Caliphate, which ultimately will last for only a few months.
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Let Iraq be taken over by Al Qaeda.. Do you really want TWO hostile Shia nations surrounding Israel instead of one? Actually having a Sunni theocracy next to a Shia theocracy may actually be the best thing ever to happen to Israel.. The Iraqis know Israel will not put up with any attack by an Al Qaeda government and Al Qaeda utterly hates and despises Iran and will be very fearful of a nuclear armed Shia government. What this can achieve is Israel helping to fund the Sunnis in another Iran-Iraq war which will bring both of these backward theocratic Islamist states to their knees. Muslims have a long of history of destroying one another.. One reason Muslims struggled to become more powerful and what hindered them in their conquests was so much infighting. They end up hating one another more than they hate their enemies from the outside. Just look at Fatah and Hamas!
And, I think my presumptions may be correct, Iran is already deploying its own military to help aid its Shia allied government who currently rules Iraq:
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/06/12/as-jihadists-take-aim-at-baghdad-iran-steps-in-to-help-historical-foe/
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Let Iraq be taken over by Al Qaeda.. Do you really want TWO hostile Shia nations surrounding Israel instead of one? Actually having a Sunni theocracy next to a Shia theocracy may actually be the best thing ever to happen to Israel.. The Iraqis know Israel will not put up with any attack by an Al Qaeda government and Al Qaeda utterly hates and despises Iran and will be very fearful of a nuclear armed Shia government. What this can achieve is Israel helping to fund the Sunnis in another Iran-Iraq war which will bring both of these backward theocratic Islamist states to their knees. Muslims have a long of history of destroying one another.. One reason Muslims struggled to become more powerful and what hindered them in their conquests was so much infighting. They end up hating one another more than they hate their enemies from the outside. Just look at Fatah and Hamas!
And, I think my presumptions may be correct, Iran is already deploying its own military to help aid its Shia allied government who currently rules Iraq:
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/06/12/as-jihadists-take-aim-at-baghdad-iran-steps-in-to-help-historical-foe/
Spot on!
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By this thinking, Russia and America should just supply both sides and stand back and watch the fireworks, nothing could backfire there. Who cares about the innocent people that enjoyed a small feeling of freedom. What about Jew's, Christians, Kurds, etc in these countries?
Both muzzy sides are freaking animals! Al Qaeda just gained almost 500 million, imagine what they can do with that. .. America has open boarders. .. I don't care to see my kids raped and their heads cut off!
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By this thinking, Russia and America should just supply both sides and stand back and watch the fireworks, nothing could backfire there. Who cares about the innocent people that enjoyed a small feeling of freedom. What about Jew's, Christians, Kurds, etc in these countries?
Both muzzy sides are freaking animals! Al Qaeda just gained almost 500 million, imagine what they can do with that. .. America has open boarders. .. I don't care to see my kids raped and their heads cut off!
More likely than not , Efraim, AL Qaeda will have its hands quite full for a while and that money will most likely be invested into killing Iranians, which is fine by me.. I say let them have the money!! Not only that, I think Israel should pour money, logistics, intelligence , weaponry and artillery into the Sunni Al Qaeda army as long as they are engaging in a war with their arch-enemy, Iran. To me, Iran is a much greater threat than Al Qaeda and the Shias are much more organized and have a much more submissive , less-clan like society. Their submissive, feudalistic mentality, being ruled by one leader for generations, is what has empowered the Mullahs and allowed them to be as powerful as they are now. What we need now is for Iran to be immersed in a deadly conflict. NO longer will anyone point the finger at Israel or US, but it will now become an internal conflict between to old enemies and they will save both countries from the efforts. Iran and Iraq truly have reasons to fight each other, as the battle between Sunni and Shia has been ongoing before the USA even existed.
Iran is terrified and knows how important it is not having a fanatical Sunni regime next to them. Also, Iraq is considred a very sacred land to the Shia pilgrims and the Iranians will fight hard to retain it. Any destruction of Shia sites will be a blood curdling fight to the death for the Shias. Sadam Hussein was much more secular and didn't bother attacking the Shia population, but Al Qaeda has vowed to wipe out every last Shia shrine from Iraq.
I say Israel should support Al Qaeda and Sunnis in what appears to be the beginning of a new Iraqi-Iranian War:
http://online.wsj.com/articles/iran-deploys-forces-to-fight-al-qaeda-inspired-militants-in-iraq-iranian-security-sources-1402592470
To quote the old Arab proverb:
The enemy of my enemy is my friend!
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"I say Israel should support Al Qaeda and Sunnis in what appears to be the beginning of a new Iraqi-Iranian War: "
NOOOOO
This would be really really stupid. These ISIS terrorists are keeping an eye on Israel and could easily start going more to the West. Jordan can be next and then on their list in Israel. Don't forget that they also have their affiliates in the Sinai as well. This could be the start of an very big war for Israel against them.
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"I say Israel should support Al Qaeda and Sunnis in what appears to be the beginning of a new Iraqi-Iranian War: "
NOOOOO
This would be really really stupid. These ISIS terrorists are keeping an eye on Israel and could easily start going more to the West. Jordan can be next and then on their list in Israel. Don't forget that they also have their affiliates in the Sinai as well. This could be the start of an very big war for Israel against them.
And you think a nuclear armed Iran is a better bet?? Ok, then.. Let's support Iran in their fight against these Al Qaeda/Al-Qaeda based terrorists.. Well, maybe you can, but not me!
These terrorists will never make it into Jordan, because it is Israel's backyard... And, if they do conquer Jordan, then so be it.. Then Israel will have a legitimate reason to fight Jordan and re-claim it as its own land, the same way it fought a hostile Jordan in the olden days and reclaimed Jerusalem and the Kotel from the Jordanians.
I'm sorry, but I rather see stuff go down then us just sit around and let the Islamists win by building atomic arsenals and silently spreading Islam around the globe. A more hostile Middle East with multiple Al Qaeda run nations will also result in more terrorist attacks abroad. This is not bad, because it will help wake naive and foolish Westerners of the real danger Islam poses. It will give Iran the biggest run for its money ever.. This group has a deep hatred for the Shias and vows to topple every Shia stronghold and destroy every Shia shrine. Iran will care very little about Israel with these anti-Shia zealots as their neighbor.
IMO, there is nothing better than an all out Sunni and Shia war.. If the US supports the Sunnis we support the Shias and if the US supports the Shias (as they have done in Iraq), Israel should support the Sunnis. As a matter of fact, this is exactly what happened in the First Iran-Iraq war, where Israel supported the Iranians against a more hostile Sunni regime at the time.
I am more of a fan of overt enemies like Hamas then I am of coverted enemies like Fatah.. The same goes for other Islamic regimes.. We claim that Jordanians are an ally to Israel? When in reality, many terrorists hail from that country.. Jordanians as a whole also hate Israel. Many Palestinian terrorists find refuge in Jordan. Anyhow, to hell with Jordan. That is, Jewish land, IMO.
And, if the ISIL/ISIS terrorists want to try to attack Israel once they have created their own country, then so be it.. Israel will have a legitimate excuse to obliterate them completely. Israel can win any conventional war against the Arabs if they bypass UN regulations. However, there is no winner in a nuclear war, which is the route Israel will go against Iran.
Believe me, these guys will have more than they can handle fighting the Iranian military and they will save us the efforts.. Sooner or later, Israel will be forced to face Iran's growing military power, which likely will be armed with nuclear capabilities.. These militants are not going to wage wars on two fronts, if they waged war with Shias and Israelis at same time, they would be exhausted very quickly.
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One fact of life is all strains of muslims hate Israel and the Jews.... On that they can all agree... It can be said it is the ONE uniting belief of all muslims, according to their holy book, that Jews must be removed from the world.
It is possible all these islamic states will join together to attack the little saatn in their region.
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One fact of life is all strains of muslims hate Israel and the Jews.... On that they can all agree... It can be said it is the ONE uniting belief of all muslims, according to their holy book, that Jews must be removed from the world.
It is possible all these islamic states will join together to attack the little saatn in their region.
Doubt it, despite the fact that Muslims hate Jews, they historically have hated each other much more. One benefit Israel had during the War of Independence and some subsequent wars was that the Muslims spent so much time fighting among themselves, that it help buy time and ease the onslaught for under-armed and outnumbered Israelis.
If we look at statistics, the Sunnis and Shias have massacred more of each other than they have of any other group of people in the last 100 years. The Sunnis have also massacred many of their own people. One benefit the Arabs have is that they are so divided and clan like. Just look at Fatah and Hamas.. Literally, Fatah and Hamas has massacred more of each other, including their own civilians, than they have killed Israeli citizens or soldiers. There have been many cases of Fatah fighters running to Israel for refuge to escape Hamas. Of course, they will try to unify with each other time to time to fight Israel, but by the end of the day, they live among each other, not the Jews and end up hating each other much more than the enemy from far away they read on propaganda videos. There is nothing like your enemy cursing you right to your face , insulting your beliefs and family rather than somebody you hear about in a lecture or on the news.
The Jews have never threatened to destroy the Shia or Sunni shrines. Both the Sunni and Shias know that the Jews are not an aggressive threat. Also, most Arabs don't care about the Palestinians, they are just a propaganda tool to denigrate Israel. What they really care about are the wrong clan or wrong ethnic group getting too much power or control.
One thing that scares me about the Shias is that they are organized and united. That is the major reason I would never advocate supporting SHias over Sunnis. Although, I believe in supporting them to kill each other to provide a balance.. Don't let one side get the upper hand, but especially not the Shia! Shias have grown up in a feudalistic society that dates all the way back to the Zoroastrian dynasty. They are a proud culture and are use to following one leader in much the way some feudalistic Asian societies have been. Historically, Arabs have been very united to their clans and ethnic groups. Every Shia swears his loyalty to the Ayatollah, who is like the modern Islamic version of the Shah. Shias everywhere unite together and do not have the same infighting and clan-wars that Arabs and Sunnis have.
This is why Iran has been so successful at establishing a powerful theocracy and are able to pull their resources together to build a nuclear arsenal and fund proxy wars in Syria and Palestinian areas. The only real threat Iran has to its power and authoritarian rule is that of its arch-enemy rival the Sunnis. A Sunni theocracy will never be as united or become organized like Shia dynasty, but will wreck utter havoc on the Shias. If the Sunnis start destroying the Shia holy sites, Iran will wage the bloodiest war imaginable. The blood will be boiling. Sudenly, the evil Zionist enemy from afar is no longer thought about, but rather the tyrants who threaten the religion of Shia, itself.
This would be the greatest thing that could happen to Israel. Israel and USA should sit on the sidelines and let the two terrorist groups, Shia Islamists and Sunni Islamists battle it out. Let them bomb each other's cities.. In the Iraq- Iran war they shot poison gas into each other's cities. These two sects of Islam have a much deep rooted hatred for each other than even the hatred each has for the Jews, who is a more remote ideological hatred, but not a direct threat. Sunnis consider the Shia religion, itself, a raping of its pure Islamic religion..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_War
Some estimates as high as 1,000,000 people were killed in the Iran-Iraq war.
I say let them fight.. The worst that will happen will be Al Qaeda/ISIL/ISIS will take over Iraq and I say let them have it. An Islamist Sunni state next to Islamist Shia state.. This is a wonderful thing! It wouldn't surprise me if they fight for the rest of their lives!
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Sunnis? shias? Each side is worse than another.
All Muslims are enemies of the Jewish people and the entire civilization. Period.
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A protracted self-annihilating muslamic infighting is the best thing possible to this earth. So if sunni and shia decide to go on those lines, then it should be the duty of US, Israel and Russia individually to support them each with the toss of coins every month.
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I think it is naive to think you can buy off these people...
We all know how that worked out in the Iran Iraq war when we supported Saddam Husseins Iraq against Iran. And we all know how well that worked out with Al Queda, whom it is well known was supplied with weapons in its fight against the Soviets in Afghanistan in the 80s. That very Al Queda which we tried to buy off with weapons turned around and sent jihadists to destroy the World Trade Center, both in 1993 and 2001.
It is known that they all hate America, and even when they fight among themselves they also get extra credit for killing Jews, Christians, and Americans (westerners)... I don't care if they kill each other, but that is not going to rid the world of the problem. There are many of them, and life is cheap to them, and they desire killing others.
You will not convince me it is best to just sit idly by while they kill each other, and kill us too. This is the pre-9/11 mentality that we can ignore the threat to our people.
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BTW who is telling who to sit idly and get killed.
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And you think a nuclear armed Iran is a better bet?? Ok, then.. Let's support Iran in their fight against these Al Qaeda/Al-Qaeda based terrorists.. Well, maybe you can, but not me!
Did I say that? Don't put words in my mouth and ask stupid rhetorical question s
You claimed that Israel should be involved. That is crazy. Besides maybe just maybe supporting the Kurds their is no reason whatsoever to help anyone else.
If they can they will go to fight Israel and they will have an easier way once Syria Jordan and others fall. If Iran is too strong for them they will just slide westqard instead.
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Did I say that? Don't put words in my mouth and ask stupid rhetorical question s
You claimed that Israel should be involved. That is crazy. Besides maybe just maybe supporting the Kurds their is no reason whatsoever to help anyone else.
If they can they will go to fight Israel and they will have an easier way once Syria Jordan and others fall. If Iran is too strong for them they will just slide westqard instead.
If Iran is too strong for them, what chance do they have of going westward? If they are a direct threat to Israel , in any way, I fully support the full of annihilation of them and whatever countries are hosting them.
Personally, I do not think they are a major threat to Israel.. Iran is the worst threat to Israel and, unlike these SUnni militants, Iran already has invaded the countries surrounding Israel's borders, including Gaza Strip via proxy. A good deal of the terrorist attacks that are happening in Israel today are through the support of Iran. Syria and Lebanon are more or less Iran's most western provinces. Hezbollah is every bit as threatening and determined to exterminate the Jewish State as these Sunni militants.
Maybe, you are misunderstanding me.. I think we should support the Sunni militants in a war against Iran. If they are not going to fight the Shias, then there is obviously no reason to support them, especially if they are mobilizing for an attack on Israel.
Anyhow, the last Iran-Iraq war devastated both of these countries.. If anyone thinks defeating the Sunni mlitants will make Iraq a safer plcae, they are wrong. What will stop an embolden Iran from moving into Iraq and taking control of the country? WOuld it be any better if Iran gained control of Iraq and its oil fields and turned Iraq into a militant Shia theocracy? I could easily see Iran trying to gain control of Iraq, as Iraq has both economic benefits and spiritual/cultural attachments for the Shia people of Iran.
A Shia controlled Iran/Iraq could be the worst thing to ever happen to Israel.
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Iran is already in control of iraq .
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Did I say that? Don't put words in my mouth and ask stupid rhetorical question s
You claimed that Israel should be involved. That is crazy. Besides maybe just maybe supporting the Kurds their is no reason whatsoever to help anyone else.
If they can they will go to fight Israel and they will have an easier way once Syria Jordan and others fall. If Iran is too strong for them they will just slide westqard instead.
Agreed! Israel should stay the hell out!
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No matter what the expansion of islam in the region bodes evil for the future of Israel.
I do not believe they will destroy each other, eventually their destruction will come the way of Israel.
We must do something to protect our future. What that is will be determined, but I don't think we can just ignore the problem and hope they will kill each other.
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They should be made to annihilate each other as much as possible. Then the remnants of them can be tackled and easily obliterated in some simpler manners.
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They should be made to annihilate each other as much as possible. Then the remnants of them can be tackled and easily obliterated in some simpler manners.
Who will be left? The most barbaric and deadly ones...
We must keep our eyes open to what is going on around us. I have no problem with evil people killing each other but I do worry about the innocent ones (and the lesser guilty ones) suffering in the process. Of course we have the maxim that even righteous people who live among wicked people will share the fate of the wicked ones, but even so I take the lesson of Abraham our father to heart, that we should be concerned for those who have a hope of turning away from evil...
I am not suggesting in my comments that America send any more troops to fight this battle. But America and Israel should be vigilant.
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I think I heard that ISIS has about 800 or 900 members in Iraq VS. 25,000 Iraqi troops that just fled!
Could this possibly be an attempt by Iraq (gov.) to get even MORE U.S. aid? Or a reason and excuse for Iran to start marching Westward.
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Who will be left? The most barbaric and deadly ones...
We must keep our eyes open to what is going on around us. I have no problem with evil people killing each other but I do worry about the innocent ones (and the lesser guilty ones) suffering in the process. Of course we have the maxim that even righteous people who live among wicked people will share the fate of the wicked ones, but even so I take the lesson of Abraham our father to heart, that we should be concerned for those who have a hope of turning away from evil...
I am not suggesting in my comments that America send any more troops to fight this battle. But America and Israel should be vigilant.
Vigilance is OK, but none of the muslamics is going to be turning away from the evil..
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Vigilance is OK, but none of the muslamics is going to be turning away from the evil..
As I said, the evil can perish... But the innocent should be spared.
Remember that non-muslims have lived peacefully in Iraq for hundreds of years. My good friend's father grew up in Iraq (he and his father were righteous Jews). Iraq has had a Jewish population which has shrunk since 1948 but there still may be 100s of them there. So too there are Iraqi Christians and seculars... They all will be harmed by the increase in terrorist violence.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_jews
The Jews in Iraq (Hebrew: יְהוּדִים בָּבְלִים, Babylonian Jews, Yehudim Bavlim, Arabic: يهود العراق Yahūd al-ʿIrāq) is documented from the time of the Babylonian captivity c. 586 BC. Iraqi Jews constitute one of the world's oldest and most historically significant Jewish communities.
The Jewish community of Babylon included Ezra the scribe, whose return to Judea in the late 6th century BC is associated with significant changes in Jewish ritual observance and the rebuilding of the Temple in Jerusalem. The Talmud was compiled in Babylonia, identified with modern Iraq.[2]
From the Babylonian period to the rise of the Islamic caliphate, the Jewish community of Babylon thrived as the center of Jewish learning. The Mongol invasion and Islamic discrimination in the Middle Ages led to its decline.[3] Under the Ottoman Empire, the Jews of Iraq fared better. The community established modern schools in the second-half of the 19th century.[4]
In the 20th century, Iraqi Jews played an important role in the early days of Iraq's independence. The Iraqi Jewish community decreased drastically after the 1948 Arab–Israeli War. By 1952, 120,000 of the community (around 75%) had left for Israel.[5]
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Present estimates of the Jewish population in Baghdad are seven[39] or eight.[40] Among the American forces stationed in Iraq, there were only three Jewish chaplains.[41]
It seems that today there are only 7-8 Jews left in Iraq.... Let the terrorists kill each other...
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I think I heard that ISIS has about 800 or 900 members in Iraq VS. 25,000 Iraqi troops that just fled!
Could this possibly be an attempt by Iraq (gov.) to get even MORE U.S. aid? Or a reason and excuse for Iran to start marching Westward.
800 and 900 if you are not counting the tens of thousands of Iraqi Sunnis and their enraged clerics who are supporting the militants against the enemy Shia army who currently rules over Iraq. Their conquests obviously couldn't happen without the support of some external entity. However, I cannot just call this a false flag operation, especially not at this scale. There has been infighting, tribal hatred, Sunni vs Shia animosity for generations. Each side hated each other so much, they committed "war crimes", shooting rockets with chemical warheads into civilian areas killing thousands of people in each strike. I don't think anyone would argue that the Iran-Iraq War was a fabricated war or simply a ploy to expand the dominion of one government. After all, every Islamist power yearns for conquest and to expand its territory. Obviously, the Sunnis want to gain control of the Shia controlled areas and the Shias want to gain control of the Sunni dominated areas.
I think the fact that the US supported a pro-Iranian/Shia leader as the head of Iraq was the greatest mistake they could have made. Then again, I think there is nothing better for Israel then for the arch-foes Iraq Sunnis and Iranian Shias to go to war.
When Hamas and Fatah go to war things generally are pretty quiet in Israel.
Also, I cannot see how Syria being taken over by Sunni militants is any worse than the Iranian proxy leader Bashir Assad and the militant Hizbullah Shias who control most of Lebanon. Exchange one hostile entity for another. Israel is a nuclear armed nation with the most powerful military in the Middle East. These militants will be hard pressed to try to conquer Israel. Syria is already a basket case with a pro-Iranian dictator. I say better to even the score and help promote two arch rival factions, Sunni and Shia who will drain each other's resources fighting each other, as they have done in the past.
The First Iran-Iraq War set both nations back decades and is probably the only reason today that Iran is not a more powerful nuclear armed nation.
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In no way do I think Israel should get directly involved in this conflict. They should do what they did in the First Iran-Iraq War, indirectly support each side to help destroy the other. Providing weapons , funding, intelligence, etc does not pull Israel into the fray, especially since both of sides already consider Israel an enemy. Many don't realize Israel supplied Iran with arms in the first Iran-Iraq War, while the US supplied Iraq with weapons.
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Again I strongly disagree with EJA44 on this...
Either do nothing or do something... Arming one or the other in the hopes that they will destroy themselves has proven again and again to be a foolish strategy. In the end the weapons and training given to them will be used against us. In my lifetime I have witnessed this again and again. Al Queda was supposed to be our ally against Soviet Union, and in the end they attacked America. In Iraq we fought and supplied Iraqi forces with training and weapons which are now going to be used against us. In Libya we were supplying supposed allies to overthrow the Quadaffi administration and in the end those weapons were used against Americans.
If we do something we must totally devastate the enemy so that he fears to rise again against us.
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America has to get rid of it's sellout administration be for we do anything. The left has our military fighting with their hands tied behide their back, along with some sabotage. After that then America and Israel should go in full force and hit both sides... No mercy, and make an example out of them, and show the World we're not [censored] around anymore, and we are done playing games. Make them wish they they never heard Mofagmed, and show the left, this is how it's done. If the left don't like it, they can go live in the glass desert we just made for them! We will even give them a free ride.
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America has to get rid of it's sellout administration be for we do anything. The left has our military fighting with their hands tied behide their back, along with some sabotage. After that then America and Israel should go in full force and hit both sides... No mercy, and make an example out of them, and show the World we're not [censored] around anymore, and we are done playing games. Make them wish they they never heard Mofagmed, and show the left, this is how it's done. If the left don't like it, they can go live in the glass desert we just made for them! We will even give them a free ride.
Efraim, in a perfect world what you said would be the absolute best action for us to take.. Sadly, we live in a world far from perfect and I think the best solution for a country that is as hated and despised as Israel, as well as the USA, which is also hated and despised , is to fight a proxy war, where they use rival Islamic factions to attack one another. When Muslims do the killing, there is no UN inspectors, anti-Israel news media, world outcry or war crimes tribunals. Netanyahu will not get a subpoena to show up at The Hague to defend his actions, etc , etc. The Muslims are barbaric, blood-thirsty , warmongering beasts by virtue and they hate each other as much as they hate everyone else. Many people do not realize that Muslims have been killing more of one another for centuries (especially the last century) than anybody else. I do believe the Sunnis and Shias hate each other more than they hate Israel. The Israelis have never purposely destroyed a Sunni or Shia shrine or holy site and both the Sunnis and Shias know it. Both the Sunnis and Shias know that they hate each other and want to destroy each others religion.
I think many underestimate the deep rooted hatred Sunnis and Shias have for one another and how either side would jump on an opportunity to obliterate the other. With Iran under attack by the Sunnis, it know longer can spend its resources on developing a nuclear arsenal, but would have to sacrifice everything to
Essentially, the Sunnis are doing what Israel should have done a long time ago, but will not face the repercussions from Mother Europe and the Arab League that Israel would if it launched such an invasion.
I say LET EM FIGHT.. KEEP EM FIGHTING.. IF THEY UNITE, THEN KILL EM ALL.. They have never united and have always hated each other, so I really doubt that will happen. Uniting together to conquer Israel, which they know would be a suicidal feat, when they can conquer one another would be irrational. Also, they enjoy fighting.. If they attack Israel, it may mean sudden death.. They know a war among each other will be a conventional war.. Neither is nuclear armed, yet!
I'm out.. Shabbat Shalom
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^I agree with a lot of what you said.... but they will join to destroy us!
Would you give one blood thirsty gang money to help defeat another gang. That money will help kill innocent people? That blood would be on you too!
http://pamelageller.com/2014/06/savage-al-qaeda-group-isis-claims-responsibility-presumed-kidnapping-israeli-teens.html/
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If we do something we must totally devastate the enemy so that he fears to rise again against us.
Precisely, what this is supposed to mean.
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The worst mistake has been already made and Iraq was invaded in place of Pakistan666. So the rest of the consequences follow accordingly.
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Looks like the US and Iran may partner up to fight the Sunni insurgency in Iraq...
I know you guys may not agree with me, but I am cheering for ISIS!
Whoever, thinks that the Sunni militants will defeat the Shias and then suddenly be a superpower that becomes nuclear and destroys Israel, is really exaggerating. It is like North Korea suddenly emerging as the new SuperPower of the world. Belligerent extremists may succed at capturing a certain area, but they will be hard pressed to rule the world, especially against a formidable foe, like Israel or any nuclear-armed country. Even North Korea has more backbone than them. The reason they are gaining so much ground is they are leading rebellions among the more oppressed Sunni populations in countries that are ruled by Shia factions, where Shia's are not a great majority. Syria and Iraq both fall in this category.
I rather have a country run by Sunni fanatics than SHia fanatics.. The Sunnis always end up self-destructing with their insanity and sooner or later being overrun by a pro-Western military dictator. Just look what happened in Egypt when the Islamists took control and then were instantly booted out to make way for a pro-Western military government. The Shias always have been unified as a single people, serving one leader and have a unified vision and a shared sense of animosity for the US , Israel and Western world. Unlike Sunnis, Shias swear their loyalty to their leaders and have a view of racial superiority and believe in divine revelations, such as the Persian Messiah (Mahdi) to come rescue the Persian nation as it makes wars with all its enemies.
When Iran gets the nuclear bomb, every Sunni country will strive to get the nuclear bomb and this could spell a much greater disaster for Israel.
I'm too tired to get into it now, but I think its Israels best interest to do all in its power to seek the destruction of Iran and its power.. Even if that means arming and helping Al Qaeda!! Yes, even Al Qaeda! Al Qaeda is fanatical, backwards, strong-headed and crazy.. However, one thing that always seems to unite Sunnis more than anything else is fighting the Shias.. The Sunnis have hated the Shias for ages.. They have killed more each other's children than any other people.
I really don't think people see the big picture here. This is not some group of super ninja islamic fighters who rose from the ashes and are kicking everyone's butt. This is just a group of Islamic zealots who are leading a Civil War in Iraq between the Sunni and Shia. Why do you think Iran now wants to join the USA to subdue this uprising?? The Shia fear a powerful militant Sunni government next to them like the plague.
Also, the Kurds may gain their own country out of this whole mess, which would also work in Israel's favor , as the Kurds have been more pro-Israel than either of these fanatical factions.
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Looks like the US and Iran may partner up to fight the Sunni insurgency in Iraq...
I know you guys may not agree with me, but I am cheering for ISIS!
Whoever, thinks that the Sunni militants will defeat the Shias and then suddenly be a superpower that becomes nuclear and destroys Israel, is really exaggerating. It is like North Korea suddenly emerging as the new SuperPower of the world. Belligerent extremists may succed at capturing a certain area, but they will be hard pressed to rule the world, especially against a formidable foe, like Israel or any nuclear-armed country. Even North Korea has more backbone than them. The reason they are gaining so much ground is they are leading rebellions among the more oppressed Sunni populations in countries that are ruled by Shia factions, where Shia's are not a great majority. Syria and Iraq both fall in this category.
I rather have a country run by Sunni fanatics than SHia fanatics.. The Sunnis always end up self-destructing with their insanity and sooner or later being overrun by a pro-Western military dictator. Just look what happened in Egypt when the Islamists took control and then were instantly booted out to make way for a pro-Western military government. The Shias always have been unified as a single people, serving one leader and have a unified vision and a shared sense of animosity for the US , Israel and Western world. Unlike Sunnis, Shias swear their loyalty to their leaders and have a view of racial superiority and believe in divine revelations, such as the Persian Messiah (Mahdi) to come rescue the Persian nation as it makes wars with all its enemies.
When Iran gets the nuclear bomb, every Sunni country will strive to get the nuclear bomb and this could spell a much greater disaster for Israel.
I'm too tired to get into it now, but I think its Israels best interest to do all in its power to seek the destruction of Iran and its power.. Even if that means arming and helping Al Qaeda!! Yes, even Al Qaeda! Al Qaeda is fanatical, backwards, strong-headed and crazy.. However, one thing that always seems to unite Sunnis more than anything else is fighting the Shias.. The Sunnis have hated the Shias for ages.. They have killed more each other's children than any other people.
I really don't think people see the big picture here. This is not some group of super ninja islamic fighters who rose from the ashes and are kicking everyone's butt. This is just a group of Islamic zealots who are leading a Civil War in Iraq between the Sunni and Shia. Why do you think Iran now wants to join the USA to subdue this uprising?? The Shia fear a powerful militant Sunni government next to them like the plague.
Also, the Kurds may gain their own country out of this whole mess, which would also work in Israel's favor , as the Kurds have been more pro-Israel than either of these fanatical factions.
Nothing wrong with these opinions. I too agree with the Kurdish point.
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Al Queda should never be bargained with. All these Islamic Jihad groups hate America and Israel, and any thing which we give to them will be used against us.
What I mean by 'totally devastate the enemy' should be crystal clear. It means that we eliminate the faction which is threatening us. Either Israel or America has the power to fight a war in which we truly win, and do not allow the enemy to crawl under rocks and caves and live to fight another day.
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Looks like the US and Iran may partner up to fight the Sunni insurgency in Iraq...
I know you guys may not agree with me, but I am cheering for ISIS!
I'm too tired to get into it now, but I think its Israels best interest to do all in its power to seek the destruction of Iran and its power.. Even if that means arming and helping Al Qaeda!! Yes, even Al Qaeda! Al Qaeda is fanatical, backwards, strong-headed and crazy.. However, one thing that always seems to unite Sunnis more than anything else is fighting the Shias.. The Sunnis have hated the Shias for ages.. They have killed more each other's children than any other people.
I really don't think people see the big picture here. This is not some group of super ninja islamic fighters who rose from the ashes and are kicking everyone's butt. This is just a group of Islamic zealots who are leading a Civil War in Iraq between the Sunni and Shia. Why do you think Iran now wants to join the USA to subdue this uprising?? The Shia fear a powerful militant Sunni government next to them like the plague.
Also, the Kurds may gain their own country out of this whole mess, which would also work in Israel's favor , as the Kurds have been more pro-Israel than either of these fanatical factions.
That is ridiculous! Did you not hear ISIS is taking credit for the 3 Israeli and American kids that were kidnapped... And you want to arm them and give them money, what the hell? :o ??? ::)
And for the Kurds having their own country. .. Most of Iraq belongs to Israel.
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That is ridiculous! Did you not hear ISIS is taking credit for the 3 Israeli and American kids that were kidnapped... And you want to arm them and give them money, what the hell? :o ??? ::)
And for the Kurds having their own country. .. Most of Iraq belongs to Israel.
And how many dead Israeli children will there be if Iran gives Hamas a nuclear bomb to detonate in Tel Aviv?? Do the math..
Every terrorist group takes credit for every bad thing that happens in Israel and USA.. The 3 Yeshiva children who were kidnapped were taken by the Hamas who is funded and aided by the Shias in Iran.. Iran has contributed to a good majority of the terror and attacks against Israelis that have occurred from its Gaza, Syrian and Lebanese borders..
What is ridiculous is that Israel sits on its a $$ doing nothing while Iran is becoming a powerful nuclear armed enemy who will wreck more havoc than any small terrorist group could do.
Like I said people will write me off as naive or a nutjob for supporting ISIS/Iraqi Sunnis. Unlike Israel, at least ISIS/Iraqi Sunnis are doing something to combat the Shias.. Yes, they may hate Israel but their fight right now is not with Israel, it is with Iran and any war against Iran will linger on for a very, very long time. That is assuming that US doesn't ally with Iran and start a new war against the Sunni militants..
Israel's best friend right now is ISIS and the Iraqi Sunni militants... I know I sound like I am crazy, but I do hold onto that Middle Eastern proverb, "The Enemy of my Enemy is My Friend'.. The Sunnis and Shias have never been friends and never will be..
The best thing Israel can do now is hope that the most dangerous, organized, fanatical, eugenicist and diabolic regime on the earth, Iran is destroyed. Unlike the Sunni, the Shia have it in their doctrine that the destruction and conquering of all their enemies, who include both Sunnis and Jews will bring the coming of their holy Messiah, The Twelfth Imam or Madhi who will make the Shias the supreme rulers of the Earth..
Destroying Iran should be our TOP PRIORITY! Anybody who will help in the effort is our friend, whether they like it or not!
In Shia Islam "the Mahdi symbol has developed into a powerful and central religious idea."[1] Twelver Shi`i Muslims believe that the Mahdi is the son of Narjis, and is the Twelfth Imam, who was born in 869 and was hidden by God at the age of five (874). He is still alive but has been in occultation, "awaiting the time that God has decreed for his return," When it comes he promised that no one who wanted happiness would be denied and no one who had believed will be left behind.
Why would Iran authorize a major terrorist operation on American soil? Skeptics say the much-discussed “foiled” Iranian plot makes no sense. We will know soon enough if the Feds have sufficient evidence related to this specific plot. But Iranian leaders may, in fact, have a motive to accelerate direct attacks on the U.S.: Shia Islamic eschatology, or "End Times" theology.
Iran’s Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad are convinced that the End of Days has come. They believe the Shia messiah known as the “Twelfth Imam” or the “Mahdi” will appear soon to establish a global Islamic kingdom known as the caliphate.
What’s more, they believe the way to hasten the coming of the Twelfth Imam is to annihilate Israel (which they call the “Little Satan”), and the United States (which they call the “Great Satan”). We should not, therefore, be surprised that Iran is probing for weaknesses in American intelligence and homeland security.
Khamenei told Iranians in July 2010 that he personally met with the Twelfth Imam. He also claimed to be the personal representative of the Mahdi on earth, and said all Muslims must “obey him.” Meanwhile, Western intelligence agencies say he continues to work with Ahmadinejad and the Iranian military to develop nuclear warheads and the ballistic missiles to deliver them.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/11/07/why-irans-top-leaders-believe-that-end-days-has-come/
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Iran's Nazi Past... Iranians also had a very close bond with Adolf Hitler.. Even though this was the pre-Islamic Shah dynasty, the mentality of Persian people and their unification with Hitler, Aryan theology and Nazism never was truly dissolved. The Shah was overthrown for political reason and many Shia Muslims still upheld the Aryan theology and hatred of Jews and bondship with Adolf Hitler. This is why the Nazi salute is very common among Shia Muslims, such as Hizbollah.
Reza Shah Pahlavi, himself, was a good friend and ally with Adolf Hitler.. Hitler sent the Shah a signed autograph photo of himself, giving the Shah great praise and respect.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany%E2%80%93Iran_relations
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Hswwp6wqys
The feeling of racial superiority coupled with the fanaticism and imperialist mindset of Persian people, make Shia Islam the most formidable and dangerous religion of the era. Even the most religious of Shia Islamist fanatics uphold their Aryan lineage and intermix this with the deranged, totalitarian and violent Islamic religion.
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I totally agree about Iran. But we should not support Al Qaeda!
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I totally agree about Iran. But we should not support Al Qaeda!
It's not like we are truly supporting them.. We are helping them fight Iran with the good faith that Iran will also kill plenty of them in the process... Essentially, we are supporting them to kill one another, which will be good for Israel. If US and Iran ally to fight the Sunnis, I think it's in Israel's best interests to support the Sunnis to even the score.. If Iran sticks its nose into this issue in any manner at all, we can already consider Iraq, a new proxy state of the Iranian empire, just as are Gaza, West Bank, Syria and Lebanon.
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^ I agree with them killing each other!
But.... If Israel supports Isis... Israel will be blamed for everything, and it will hurt Israel in G-ds eyes. .. Isis are really sick animals, do you think the children of G-d should encourage them? I really doubt that is what HaShem would want!
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But.... If Israel supports Isis... Israel will be blamed for everything, and it will hurt Israel in G-ds eyes. ..
They would blame Israel?? Tell me its not so!! :laugh:
Israel already is considered a land of child murderers, arab killers, apartheid, oppressors, etc etc.. Who cares if they blame Israel.. They will blame Israel less if the Sunnis do the killing than if the Israelis do the killing.. They blamed Israel for the massacre of Islamic terrorists in Lebanon, when the Lebanese Maronites avenged themselves and killed the Shia Hizbullah militants who previously were seeking to wipe them out completely.
If an Arab has a toothache you can bet the Mossad is behind it somehow..
Isis are really sick animals, do you think the children of G-d should encourage them? I really doubt that is what HaShem would want!
Yeah, I really think the children of G-d should encourage the death of Iran and Shias.. I mean, I'd rather Israel go and bomb all of the Iranian cities and towns, but considering the world condemnation, better to let the Sunni savages do the dirty work. I much rather see Sunnis and Shias killing each other, than see young Jewish boys being sent off to Iran to do the killing in a ground war.. Since Israel is bound by UN regulations and must abide by the modern conventions of war rules, indiscriminate bombing of Iran would probably never be an option and Israel would be forced to invade Iran by land and then not be allowed to hit civilian targets , allow UN to come in and send aid to the enemies , no bombing schools, hospitals, etc. Essentially, its like fighting with one hand behind your back.. The Sunnis would have no such restrictions, since they just don't give a crap.
Yep, Hashem cares about his people and I don't believe he has much sentiments to either the Sunnis or Shias.. The sooner they can kill each other off the better. That's my opinion, however.
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It will make it worse! And will reinforce people's hate of Jew's!
Regardless if it makes Israel look bad to the Nations. .. It make Israel look bad to Hashem! If Israel gives money to Al Qaeda and they slaughter innocent Jew's in Iraq and Iran, that blood is on the JEWS TOO!
This has happened before. ...
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It will make it worse! And will reinforce people's hate of Jew's!
Regardless if it makes Israel look bad to the Nations. .. It make Israel look bad to Hashem! If Israel gives money to Al Qaeda and they slaughter innocent Jew's in Iraq and Iran, that blood is on the JEWS TOO!
This has happened before. ...
You really think the Jews are safe under a radical Islamist Shia government? The only thing that prevents those Jews from being butchered is the fear of reprisals from Israel, which includes a nuclear bomb dropped right in downtown Tehran. Jews in Iraq?? I am sorry , there are Jews in Iraq?? Am I missing something here?? The Jews fled Iraq years ago! There is almost no Jews in the Middle East at all, except the community in Iran and a few in Morocco. Israel already looks bad to the nations and is hated by the world.. How much more can the world hate Israel and the Jews?? There is no more making Israel look bad.. Everyone hates Israel.. So to hell with them and what they think!! IRAN is building a nuclear bomb and is hellbent on wiping out Israel and already controls countries on three of Israel's borders.. Iran needs to go!!! I don't care how bad Al Qaeda would be to the INNOCENT civilians of Iraq and Iran.. I say help give them and the Sunni militas the upper hand in Iraq, because a Shia dominated Iraq will be very bad for Israel. Also, once Al Maliki goes , who is to say they may not install an Iranian puppet leader who will be as psycho and crazy as the Shia leaders in Iran and allow Iran to use Iraq as its launching ground.. A Shia controlled Syria, Iraq and Iran means Israel is in deep crap!
Side Note:
Here's a great article from 2013 that almost predicted exactly what is happening today... It's amazing how naive Americans are and ignorant of the situation of Iraq.. Either that or this is a secret ploy on the part of the USA to ignite a new Iran-Iraq War which will help impoverish and weaken both sides and somehow, play right into the hands of the West.. Their hatred of each other is what helps them form better relations with the outside world. I don't know, some part of me, thinks the USA is just naive and careless of the volatile situation. Somehow, I feel the fighting between them is G-d's means of helping Israel against an enemy that may prove to become too formidable to face.
https://www.strategypage.com/qnd/iraq/articles/20131030.aspx
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^ I freaking agree! But don't support Evil!
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^ I freaking agree! But don't support Evil!
And, what solution do you have that is better? Was it wrong that the US allied with Russia in WWII to fight the Germans, considering the Russians established a bloodthirsty and ruthless communist empire that resulted in the loss of millions of innocent people? Personally, I rather deal with a powerful Soviet nation than a powerful Nazi German nation. As bad as the Russians were, the Nazis were much worse. Sometimes, you need the favor of bad people to get rid of even worse people, WWII was a prime example. If it was not for the failed German invasion of Russia, WWII may have lingered on many more years and the Germans may have even not been totally defeated or may have even won the war, G-d forbid!
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And, what solution do you have that is better?
Don't support them! Let them fight, but watch them. And when both sides are weak... HIT BOTH SIDES HARD!
Don't freaking give either side anything! Let them drain their resources!
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Iran's Nazi Past... Iranians also had a very close bond with Adolf Hitler.. Even though this was the pre-Islamic Shah dynasty, the mentality of Persian people and their unification with Hitler, Aryan theology and Nazism never was truly dissolved. The Shah was overthrown for political reason and many Shia Muslims still upheld the Aryan theology and hatred of Jews and bondship with Adolf Hitler. This is why the Nazi salute is very common among Shia Muslims, such as Hizbollah.
Reza Shah Pahlavi, himself, was a good friend and ally with Adolf Hitler.. Hitler sent the Shah a signed autograph photo of himself, giving the Shah great praise and respect.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany%E2%80%93Iran_relations
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Hswwp6wqys
The feeling of racial superiority coupled with the fanaticism and imperialist mindset of Persian people, make Shia Islam the most formidable and dangerous religion of the era. Even the most religious of Shia Islamist fanatics uphold their Aryan lineage and intermix this with the deranged, totalitarian and violent Islamic religion.
My family is Iranian. They've lived in Iran for over 2,000 years, which was way before the Arab/Islamic invasion of that country. So I think I can contribute something here. While Reza Shah Pahlavi was allied with Nazi Germany, he never ever turned over any of Iran's Jews to the Nazis. In fact, he like his son, Mohammed Reza Pahlavi pushed for religious tolerance towards Jews and other minorities. My parents and relatives have always said that things improved for the Jews with Reza Shah and Mohammed Reza Pahlavi. Now I don't know if these two Shahs personally loved Jews. But they seemed to respect them, and wanted to modernize Iran.
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My family is Iranian. They've lived in Iran for over 2,000 years, which was way before the Arab/Islamic invasion of that country. So I think I can contribute something here. While Reza Shah Pahlavi was allied with Nazi Germany, he never ever turned over any of Iran's Jews to the Nazis. In fact, he like his son, Mohammed Reza Pahlavi pushed for religious tolerance towards Jews and other minorities. My parents and relatives have always said that things improved for the Jews with Reza Shah and Mohammed Reza Pahlavi. Now I don't know if these two Shahs personally loved Jews. But they seemed to respect them, and wanted to modernize Iran.
Maybe, the hatred of Jews was not part of their agenda or mindset, but a sense of racial superiority and eugenism was indeed part of it, which is what Hitler promoted through his Aryan (Pure) theology. Lisa, I can respect your perspective as a Persian Jew, but I also may advise you to be cautious. The Aryan Shah dynasty alone I do not feel is a great threat to Israel. However, it is the racial superior mindset of Persians that worries me. I have talked with enough of them to know how proud and bold they are in the defense of their race. It is the combination of their mindset of racial and spiritual superiority combined with the fact that many of them adhere to radical Shia Islam, which rules the country, is what makes me feel they are the greatest foe the Jewish people can have. Since Aryanism promotes the power and purity of the Persian people and Shia promotes the eradication of Jews, Christians and Sunnis, I feel that these two theologies combined make for a very dangerous entity, beyond that of any other.
Shia Islam has united Iran, because its militant power gives the Persians confidence against its enemies. Even though Jews were not hated to any depth in the past, today the average Persian has a deep instilled hatred of Jews thanks to the brainwashing of its Shia government. The Shia mentality is for the eradication of their enemies. Considering, the connection Persians have had to the Nazis, including the renaming of "Iran" out of respect for Hitler, it would not be hard pressed to think they would find it a noble cause to destroy the nation of Israel.
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This commentary from Rep Mike Rogers (at 4:51) supports what I have been saying in this thread.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vz-CZuQa5I
The fighters who will gain training in the jihad in Iraq and Syria are going to return to the US and Europe and carry out terror operations against us... This is a very real threat and we have seen it happen.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kU32Qgzmsc
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Shias consider sunni to be the original usurpers and sunni consider shia to be the eternal renegades. To all others they both are the same and can not be easily differentiated. So when dealing with their protracted muslamic infighting, they both should be dealt with in most prudent tactical manner. Otherwise strategy against them is the most common thing.
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Well the US announces when they will pull out of these areas and in Afghanistan and removes the forces in Iraq that was won overwhelmingly by the United States, and now we have to send forces or bombings back in to stop ISIS? Obama and Hillary ignored what was going on, they were warned months ago.....Revelation....This advances the Islamic Middle East Caliphate! Isis beheading people on the way to more cities...The Religion of peace Eh.
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Yes, that is how American blood was shed, and now due to tyranny from the government....those lives from brave men were sacrificed. Elections can have bad consequences and until man sees clearly, there will be much wailing and remorse....