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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Havok on August 11, 2014, 07:57:24 PM
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US actor Robin Williams has been found dead, aged 63
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-28749702
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:( sad to hear about this, I watched him as a kid.
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According to most articles he was suffering from severe depression. I'm reluctant to say anything negative because I don't know much about his personal life, his political stances, his morals, etc. I know he's made some pro-Israel comments before. It's just tragic that he took the easy way out. May he rest in peace! A link to the article is below:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2014/08/11/robin-williams-is-dead/13925199/
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He did look suicidal :o
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One of my favorite actors, what a sH*tty way to go.. I understand though>. I have felt depressed in the past and considered the easy way out.. Life is a b*tch.. I guess money, fame and talent will not necessarily bring you happiness.
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One of my favorite actors, what a sH*tty way to go.. I understand though>. I have felt depressed in the past and considered the easy way out.. Life is a b*tch.. I guess money, fame and talent will not necessarily bring you happiness.
Like they say the funniest people are often the saddest.
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Was a big fan of Robin Williams in my childhood. Loved his Mork and Mindy TV series and various movies he made over the years.
Comedians are often really depressed individuals despite their attempt at being funny. Comedians who are very good at their work often suffer a lot of depression and many have committed suicide at a young age. Concerning Robin Williams it is a blessing he was with us for so long providing us with a lot of great comedy. I will add that in my experience (even my experience with depression) there is no excuse for committing suicide. It is wrong especially when there is hope for a great future (which according to all reports Robin Williams had)... No matter what, our ups and downs in life are all intended to teach us a lesson about life (that it is not ours to give and take)...
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He did look suicidal :o
Never heard of 'looking suicidal'... Is there such a thing?
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It always amazes me when the rich kill themselves....
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Williams was best when he played countertype as the evil Sy in "One Hour Photo"
(http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/one_hour_photo_9321.jpg)
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One of my favorite actors, what a sH*tty way to go.. I understand though>. I have felt depressed in the past and considered the easy way out.. Life is a b*tch.. I guess money, fame and talent will not necessarily bring you happiness.
I know what you mean, depression is horrible. Actually the last movie my dad watched before he died was from Robin Williams. What dreams may come, really sad to see a childhood favorite die the way he did.
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I remember reading about an interview Williams did on a German talk show. The woman asked him why he thought there wasn't much comedy. His response was ""Did you ever think it's because you killed all the funny people?"
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Was a big fan of Robin Williams in my childhood. Loved his Mork and Mindy TV series and various movies he made over the years.
Comedians are often really depressed individuals despite their attempt at being funny. Comedians who are very good at their work often suffer a lot of depression and many have committed suicide at a young age. Concerning Robin Williams it is a blessing he was with us for so long providing us with a lot of great comedy. I will add that in my experience (even my experience with depression) there is no excuse for committing suicide. It is wrong especially when there is hope for a great future (which according to all reports Robin Williams had)... No matter what, our ups and downs in life are all intended to teach us a lesson about life (that it is not ours to give and take)...
I know its wrong but sometimes due to chemical imbalances in the brain, like what happened with my dad, it causes people not to think, some anti depressants make people suicidal and sometimes they think that it is the only wait out, but suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
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Sometimes HaShem takes people that can't handle what is to come...
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All that talent put to waste. Nothing new, but still tragic
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For those of us who are not fully familiar with the gamut of characters this talented actor portrayed, here is a 'Ten Best' of Robin Williams.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbBgLQ1yfZk
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQlAZVATIZ8
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My best memories of Mr Williams are from my childhood, Mork and Mindy ran from 1978-1982 ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mork_%26_Mindy )...
This is the 'pilot' episode which is posted on Youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQx4--L0TdY
It is interesting (to me at least) to note that the time this TV series ran was a very difficult time for the country. Last night I watched a documentary about the 'Peoples Temple' which committed suicide about the time this series hit the air...
Mork and Mindy 1st aired : September 14, 1978
Jonestown Mass Suicide : November 18, 1978
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All he did was support evil causes with his money. He didn't support righteous causes.
This is the only place I can post this where anybody will understand this.
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All he did was support evil causes with his money. He didn't support righteous causes.
This is the only place I can post this where anybody will understand this.
Hi Ruby. I don't know much about him. What kind of causes did he support?
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I walked by someone who was on the verge of tears talking about it. Who cares?! There are people who live in poverty who don't kill themselves every day and he had millions to live a comfortable life with. People are behaving as if this is a national tragedy when suicides happen every day.
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I walked by someone who was on the verge of tears talking about it. Who cares?! There are people who live in poverty who don't kill themselves every day and he had millions to live a comfortable life with. People are behaving as if this is a national tragedy when suicides happen every day.
Well i agree on that. Soon as some stupid celeb die the world is to small.
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I walked by someone who was on the verge of tears talking about it. Who cares?! There are people who live in poverty who don't kill themselves every day and he had millions to live a comfortable life with. People are behaving as if this is a national tragedy when suicides happen every day.
Depression isn't necessarily related to outside circumstances. You can be rich and have every material thing in the world you would want, have friends and family that love you, and have every logical reason to be happy, but that doesn't mean you will be. To assume that material good automatically brings happiness is to deeply misunderstand depression. I also don't believe that a weak person commits suicide. It's someone who withstood the pain until they reached their breaking point and just couldn't take any more.
I'm not happy that he died. I find it quite sad actually. What bothers me though is that people seem to have put this man up on a pedestal when he contributed a lot of money to left wing causes.
He was part of the pro-abortion Christopher Reeve foundation.
This article also casually mentions at the bottom that he was a committed liberal and "progressive":
http://nikkifinke.com/robin-williams-dies-63/
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There was also this where he wore an Arabic I love NY shirt: (http://www.namaqualand.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/robin-williams.jpg)
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I do not find much about the link between him and abortion? I just searched for some information about abortion and the Christopher Reeve foundation but not much info about that...
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There was also this where he wore an Arabic I love NY shirt: (http://www.namaqualand.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/robin-williams.jpg)
I saw that picture last night.
I have been thinking the very same things.
He was talented. Okay.
He was a lib and supporter of Obama.
Maybe he was depressed about the direction of the country and his contribution to it.
I hate when we turn people into role models or 'saints'. He was just a man.
All I keep thinking is....fame and fortune don't equal happiness.
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"The higher Williams's profile rose, the more politically vocal he became. Williams was a major Democratic contributor. His contributions over the years topped $150,000 to Democratic candidates and liberal causes. And in 1996 he headlined a star-studded Washington D.C. gala with President Bill Clinton and Vice President Al Gore.
At time his political humor could be biting. He played President Ronald Reagan in this unflattering late 1980s-era sketch.
And when Barack Obama was elected president in 2008, succeeding George W. Bush, Williams said in a comic routine:
It's the end of the reign of George the 2nd. The reign of error is over. America is officially out of rehab...He's a gift to comedy, though, he's a comedy pinata. I'm going to miss him."
http://politix.topix.com/story/13551-the-late-robin-williams-was-an-accomplished-political-comedian
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Williams
On Israel's 60th Independence Day, Robin Williams appeared in Times Square along with a string of other celebrities to wish Israel a "happy birthday".[91][92] He described himself as an "honourary Jew".[93][94][95]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Williams
On Israel's 60th Independence Day, Robin Williams appeared in Times Square along with a string of other celebrities to wish Israel a "happy birthday".[91][92] He described himself as an "honourary Jew".[93][94][95]
You might not realize this but American Jews tend to be extremely left wing. Chaim talks about this frequently. If you don't believe me, ask him about it. Robin Williams certainly was not comparing himself to Jews like Chaim but more along the lines of the Jews in Hollywood.
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For comparison let's show one of the most anti-Semitic people we know of saying they are condemning anti-Semitism: "http://politix.topix.com/story/13544-hillary-clinton-says-criticism-of-israel-is-due-to-anti-semitism". There's a lot of code words that go on in American politics.
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Shazbot Mork is dead
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yet another dead temporary celebrity.
don't care.
my guppy is more important.
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who the hell is that?
oh some worthless temporary celebrity.
don't care.
next.
Nobody on facebook is posting about anything else and I can't post what I want to post there because all his idol worshippers will throw fits. So I'm posting it on JTF instead.
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Thank you for the reality check, Rubystars.
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Thank you for the reality check, Rubystars.
You're welcome :)
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I walked by someone who was on the verge of tears talking about it. Who cares?! There are people who live in poverty who don't kill themselves every day and he had millions to live a comfortable life with. People are behaving as if this is a national tragedy when suicides happen every day.
Money has nothing to do with it. It is clinical depression, and his death is a reminder there so many people out there tragically struggling with that. THAT is what is sad about it if you didn't personally know this man IMO.
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Depression isn't necessarily related to outside circumstances. You can be rich and have every material thing in the world you would want, have friends and family that love you, and have every logical reason to be happy, but that doesn't mean you will be. To assume that material good automatically brings happiness is to deeply misunderstand depression. I also don't believe that a weak person commits suicide. It's someone who withstood the pain until they reached their breaking point and just couldn't take any more.
I'm not happy that he died. I find it quite sad actually. What bothers me though is that people seem to have put this man up on a pedestal when he contributed a lot of money to left wing causes.
He was part of the pro-abortion Christopher Reeve foundation.
This article also casually mentions at the bottom that he was a committed liberal and "progressive":
http://nikkifinke.com/robin-williams-dies-63/
Correct. It's so sickening when a elebrity dies and people all lose their marbles over it. It's just a person. How long until the conspiracy theories that illuminati killed him?
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I don't judge him favorably as a person. But I liked many of the characters he played in his movies. So his unique for of entertainment will be missed. What a waste.
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Correct. It's so sickening when a elebrity dies and people all lose their marbles over it. It's just a person. How long until the conspiracy theories that illuminati killed him?
While some "suicides" may not have been suicides at all (Bill Clinton for example might have arranged some deaths to help him politically), I don't think there's any reason to believe that this was anything but a suicide. Nobody would really benefit in any way from Robin William's death and he did have a long history of mental health issues.
You're right though. Someone is going to come up with a conspiracy theory about it. I wish they would stop because as Chaim has mentioned, there are real conspiracies and when people come up with crackpot ones, they make it harder to expose the real ones.
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I don't judge him favorably as a person. But I liked many of the characters he played in his movies. So his unique for of entertainment will be missed. What a waste.
I liked some of his roles too but that doesn't mean he didn't do evil things.
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I don't agree with all of Robin Williams personal choices, but I agree that depression can turn someone's life upside down . I've lived with family members going through that, my dad was bipolar and suffered from depression for most of his life and eventually ended up taking his life, its not always a sign of weakness or a choice. When someone's clinically depressed or has a chemical imbalance there are psychotic stages they can experience or mass feelings of hopelessness , that makes their mindset completely different and most people don't realize that mental illness and depression are as much of an issue as a physically failing organ.
I don't think anyone here is saying oh man Robin Williams died and now he's being put ahead of everyone else or on a pedastal. I am sure like any actor that he probably had donated to liberal causes, he was also born in Chicago which culturally and politically had always been democrat, it was split in the city and suburbs from liberal Democrats to fiscal blue dog or conservative style democrats. The democrat party in Chicago is treated similar to being a catholic, you are always a democrat even if you don't agree with the politicians. This is how my family was including my dad even though my father hated Clinton with a passion, he wasn't a bush supporter either but he was moderate to the right in some cases and most of that comes from upbringing.
I'm not saying its right but explaining how it is there.
I think what people are upset about is that Robin Williams committed suicide due to depression and that it's something that could be prevented in millions of people who are suffering from this, to give people hope .
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Someone rolled a 5 or an 8?
R.i.p Robin -_-
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he was a very talented actor and could have done much more. He will be sadly missed. The Awakening is one of my favorite films of all time. RIP.
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I do not find much about the link between him and abortion? I just searched for some information about abortion and the Christopher Reeve foundation but not much info about that...
Basically they advocated for using embryonic stem cells which involves embryos that are developed beyond the conceptus stage.
Robin Williams as an individual was very left wing in general though and supported the left wing agenda which includes abortion.
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I think it is wrong to curse a talented man even with his failings. No human being is perfect. Each and every one of us will be called before the Heavenly Tribunal and ALL of our transgressions will be revealed in a very humbling testimony by the prosecuting attorney. Every sin which we make will be accounted for, each small sin and each big sin are considered and weighed and we will receive a very unpleasant stay in gehinnom. I truly believe every human being alive today will spend some time in the hot and unpleasant place (at least I know I will be there for a while)... But Gehinnom (for most) is just a temporary rectification of our sins and after our stay we enter the Olam Haba (World to Come) just like everyone else. Even the person who appears the most righteous to us in our generation is guilty of sin.
"There is no man so righteous on earth that he does good and never sins" (Ecclesiastes 7:20).
When I look back at my 'wild' years when I was in my 20s-30s and I wonder why I was so blessed to get out of the dirt and muck I thank Hashem. I do not long for those days and feel sorry for having hurt my mother (who expected more from me) but I do not fully regret going through those travails because it brought me to where I am today.
So actors in Hollywood are tempted with a very different mindset from us. Comedians and actors are paid to test the limits of society and some comedians actually think that by stretching these boundaries they are creating new avenues of humor. Art and music are both fields which creative people enjoy and sometimes they end up slaves to their 'evil inclination' because they feel so much power from their own labor... I am not in a position to forgive them... But I only hold those who are active participants in the war against Hashem and his Jewish people to be worthy of my curses.
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He supported Obama that is working to destroy The Jewish People.
Whatever good he done throughout his life is worthless!
He is a sick self hating Jew & we should be celebrating his journey to hell where he belongs.
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He supported Obama that is working to destroy The Jewish People.
Whatever good he done throughout his life is worthless!
He is a sick self hating Jew & we should be celebrating his journey to hell where he belongs.
Robin Williams was NOT Jewish...
And Robin Williams did support Israel...
On Israel's 60th Independence Day in 2008, Williams appeared in Times Square along with a number of other celebrities to wish Israel a "happy birthday".[87][88] He described himself as an "honorary Jew".[89][90][91]
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Robin Williams was NOT Jewish...
And Robin Williams did support Israel...
On Israel's 60th Independence Day in 2008, Williams appeared in Times Square along with a number of other celebrities to wish Israel a "happy birthday".[87][88] He described himself as an "honorary Jew".[89][90][91]
Well he had me fooled, I only take back the part I said he was a self hating Jew.
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Robin Williams was NOT Jewish...
And Robin Williams did support Israel...
On Israel's 60th Independence Day in 2008, Williams appeared in Times Square along with a number of other celebrities to wish Israel a "happy birthday".[87][88] He described himself as an "honorary Jew".[89][90][91]
He supported Obama, Robin Williams SUPPORTED OBAMA!
Hello? Are you awake?
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He supported Obama, Robin Williams SUPPORTED OBAMA!
Hello? Are you awake?
So that justifies it? Your level for cursing people is very very low... And in my opinion it runs counter to a great deal of wisdom.
Should I curse my mother for having voted for Carter? I really don't think so.
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So that justifies it? Your level for cursing people is very very low... And in my opinion it runs counter to a great deal of wisdom.
Should I curse my mother for having voted for Carter? I really don't think so.
What the heck is wrong with you?
It's so different when it's a famous person than someone who individual.
Think of the damage he caused by supporting Obama, people who were fans of Robin Williams would probably vote for Obama BECAUSE of his support. He is an enemy of The Jewish People.
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What the heck is wrong with you?
It's so different when it's a famous person than someone who individual.
Think of the damage he caused by supporting Obama, people who were fans of Robin Williams would probably vote for Obama BECAUSE of his support. He is an enemy of The Jewish People.
Really.... I don't agree with your position but don't have time to argue about it.
People didn't vote for Obama because of Robin Williams... They voted for him because they hated Bush.
BTW, my mother met Robin Williams and knew some of their crowd. When I spoke with her yesterday she was shocked at the news. BTW, my mother DID NOT vote for Obama.
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Anyone who voted for Obama because of Robin Williams should be cursed, IMO.
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Really.... I don't agree with your position but don't have time to argue about it.
People didn't vote for Obama because of Robin Williams... They voted for him because they hated Bush.
BTW, my mother met Robin Williams and knew some of their crowd. When I spoke with her yesterday she was shocked at the news. BTW, my mother DID NOT vote for Obama.
You don't understand. His influence in supporting Obama has to have an in pact, as he was an icon to many.
And I never said all people who liked him voted for Obama.
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Anyone who voted for Obama because of Robin Williams should be cursed, IMO.
Robin Williams should be cursed because he influenced those people to vote for Obama.
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So that justifies it? Your level for cursing people is very very low... And in my opinion it runs counter to a great deal of wisdom.
Should I curse my mother for having voted for Carter? I really don't think so.
curse your m....errr...please have her change her evil...err her ways.
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He supported Obama, Robin Williams SUPPORTED OBAMA!
Hello? Are you awake?
Irish Zionist many of my family members voted for Obama and I voted for mccain. they voted for him out of ignorance because they believed the lies, if you remember, not long ago many of us were unhappy with bush as well who pushed for Israel to dismantle communities in Gaza, he also supported amnesty and bailing out the cad manufacturers. Esentially what happened is we had cause and effect, people voted for Obama because of what people associated Republicans with, many who used to be republican and now many people who votes for Obama realize the mistake they made. Many Jews supported Obama too and now realize what a mistake they made, should we curse them as well? As long as a person is alive, they can change and learn truth. Most people who voted for Obama didn't realize what was going to happen to our country and we all tried to warn them, that doesn't mean I hate them, I hate my enemies and I feel sorry for the misguided that they wake up, learn the truth and reap what they sow.
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Irish Zionist many of my family members voted for Obama and I voted for mccain. they voted for him out of ignorance because they believed the lies, if you remember, not long ago many of us were unhappy with bush as well who pushed for Israel to dismantle communities in Gaza, he also supported amnesty and bailing out the cad manufacturers. Esentially what happened is we had cause and effect, people voted for Obama because of what people associated Republicans with, many who used to be republican and now many people who votes for Obama realize the mistake they made. Many Jews supported Obama too and now realize what a mistake they made, should we curse them as well? As long as a person is alive, they can change and learn truth. Most people who voted for Obama didn't realize what was going to happen to our country and we all tried to warn them, that doesn't mean I hate them, I hate my enemies and I feel sorry for the misguided that they wake up, learn the truth and reap what they sow.
You keep missing the point. The fact that he could influence people because he was liked by millions makes him worse than any individual who was tricked into voting for Obama. I know for a fact Jews weren't against Bush because he pushed for Israel to dismantle communities in Gaza. If I remember correctly Bush told Sharon NOT to do it & Sharon went ahead anyway. But even if I'm wrong about that, many American Jews couldn't care less for The Jews that were expelled. Many Jews did not learn because Obama won in 2012 with a huge Jewish vote. So stop playing games here.
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curse your m....errr...please have her change her evil...err her ways.
My mother did not vote for Obama. She realized that Obama was a muslim brotherhood operative (mostly because of me and my involvement with JTF). But mother was a life-long democrat and her 'social circle' still has many liberal left-wing Jews (many of whom she has since de-friended)...
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I think there is some confusion here
His characters on the tube were lovable. That doesn't necessarily make him to be a good person. Just the characters were good. So it will be that persona in which will be missed.
Otherwise he was nothing more than a Hollywood leftist scumbag
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I think there is some confusion here
His characters on the tube were lovable. That doesn't necessarily make him to be a good person. Just the characters were good. So it will be that persona in which will be missed.
Otherwise he was nothing more than a Hollywood leftist scumbag
He was a damn talented actor and comedian. That cannot be dismissed.
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He was a damn talented actor and comedian. That cannot be dismissed.
He was also an evil scumbag who supported & influenced people in voting for Obama. That cannot be dismissed.
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He was also an evil scumbag who supported & influenced people in voting for Obama. That cannot be dismissed.
Again I seriously doubt that he is responsible for Obama being elected.
Apparently a 'scumbag' is one who started a charitable foundation and gave money to childrens hospitals (who knows how many of these children voted for Obama though)...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_williams#Charity_work
Williams and his second wife, Marsha, founded the Windfall Foundation, a philanthropic organization to raise money for many charities. Williams devoted much of his energy to charity work, including the Comic Relief fundraising efforts (the program was hosted by himself, Billy Crystal, and Whoopi Goldberg).[4] In December 1999, he sang in French on the BBC-inspired music video of international celebrities doing a cover of The Rolling Stones' "It's Only Rock 'n Roll (But I Like It)" for the charity Children's Promise.[96]
In response to the 2010 Canterbury earthquake, Williams donated all proceeds of his "Weapons of Self Destruction" Christchurch performance to helping rebuild the New Zealand city. Half the proceeds were donated to the Red Cross and half to the mayoral building fund.[97] Williams performed with the USO for U.S. troops stationed in Iraq and Afghanistan.[98]
Williams also supported St. Jude Children's Research Hospital for several years.[99]
I do not think he was a tzadik but I do not think he was an 'evil scumbag' and I think most rational people are able to distinguish where exactly on this scale he fit.
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He was also an evil scumbag who supported & influenced people in voting for Obama. That cannot be dismissed.
Nancy Pelosi, Barbara Boxer and Al Franken too. >:(
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Again I seriously doubt that he is responsible for Obama being elected.
Apparently a 'scumbag' is one who started a charitable foundation and gave money to childrens hospitals (who knows how many of these children voted for Obama though)...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_williams#Charity_work
Williams and his second wife, Marsha, founded the Windfall Foundation, a philanthropic organization to raise money for many charities. Williams devoted much of his energy to charity work, including the Comic Relief fundraising efforts (the program was hosted by himself, Billy Crystal, and Whoopi Goldberg).[4] In December 1999, he sang in French on the BBC-inspired music video of international celebrities doing a cover of The Rolling Stones' "It's Only Rock 'n Roll (But I Like It)" for the charity Children's Promise.[96]
In response to the 2010 Canterbury earthquake, Williams donated all proceeds of his "Weapons of Self Destruction" Christchurch performance to helping rebuild the New Zealand city. Half the proceeds were donated to the Red Cross and half to the mayoral building fund.[97] Williams performed with the USO for U.S. troops stationed in Iraq and Afghanistan.[98]
Williams also supported St. Jude Children's Research Hospital for several years.[99]
I do not think he was a tzadik but I do not think he was an 'evil scumbag' and I think most rational people are able to distinguish where exactly on this scale he fit.
I never said he was responsible for Obama being elected. I said he influenced people when he supported Obama to vote for that Muslim beast! Again it doesn't matter what good he has done as supporting the Muslim beast Obama takes away all the good he done. Michael Jackson also donated to a childrens charity, do we praise Michael Jackson now?
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I never said he was responsible for Obama being elected. I said he influenced people when he supported Obama to vote for that Muslim beast! Again it doesn't matter what good he has done as supporting the Muslim beast Obama takes away all the good he done. Michael Jackson also donated to a childrens charity, do we praise Michael Jackson now?
Again I strongly disagree with you... Nothing can take away the good deeds a person has done in his life, unless he regrets doing them. Even a person who did not intend on doing good, and somehow he does do good, he gets credit for that good deed he has done.
Mr. Williams did give charity (a very important good deed) and he did support Israel and the troops in Afghanistan.... Those good deeds cannot be taken from him, by you or by anyone.
And regarding MJ... His good deeds are a merit to his soul... Regardless of whether you acknowledge it or you dont.. But MJ did associate with Jew haters and in a song expressed an antisemitic sentiment, thus I don't consider MJ on the same level as RW. MJ also has a lot of negatives from his child molestation... So this is a different issue... Lending support to a politician versus child molestation...
So by extension those who supported Michael Bloombergs election in NY should be cursed too... MB supported the 9/11 mosque...
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One who doesn't know how to hate evil, does not know how to love good.
Rabbi Meir Kahane
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Grx0S_BV0MI
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I know how to hate evil and Mr Williams was NOT evil.
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It is sick that some people here curse anyone who supports a political figure that they don't like. It is the same lame silliness that the demonrats did with the 'hate bush' thing. The hate is blown totally out of proportion and it is unholy.
A person who supported Obama because he was a democrat is not evil. By creating such a black/white situation you create a lot of needless hatred. If Mr Williams had stated that he supports the Hamas or the so-called Palestinians maybe he would be considered evil. But Obama was portrayed as a friend of the Jews and only us Israel-watchers were keen to the problem posed by Obama. I do not blame those who supported Obama and did not know what they were getting into. I do not hate those who voted for him. It is silly and I think this whole discussion is plain stupid.
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Muman as conservatives we should be very skeptical of any "charity" contributions because a lot of times the charities in question are simply there to promote liberal causes. Amnesty International for example is often cited as a good charity but they promote evil things like abortion. Yet they bill themselves as a "human rights" organization. UNICEF is also a very left wing organization and yet people contribute money to them all the time thinking they're a good charity.
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Muman as conservatives we should be very skeptical of any "charity" contributions because a lot of times the charities in question are simply there to promote liberal causes. Amnesty International for example is often cited as a good charity but they promote evil things like abortion. Yet they bill themselves as a "human rights" organization. UNICEF is also a very left wing organization and yet people contribute money to them all the time thinking they're a good charity.
I posted which charities he gave to. I also looked into those charities and it seems all of them were valid and righteous causes. Maybe you can find one that was not...
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It is sick that some people here curse anyone who supports a political figure that they don't like. It is the same lame silliness that the demonrats did with the 'hate bush' thing. The hate is blown totally out of proportion and it is unholy.
A person who supported Obama because he was a democrat is not evil. By creating such a black/white situation you create a lot of needless hatred. If Mr Williams had stated that he supports the Hamas or the so-called Palestinians maybe he would be considered evil. But Obama was portrayed as a friend of the Jews and only us Israel-watchers were keen to the problem posed by Obama. I do not blame those who supported Obama and did not know what they were getting into. I do not hate those who voted for him. It is silly and I think this whole discussion is plain stupid.
Ok then, show me the statements where he condemned Obamas stance on Israel.
You don't have to be an Israel watcher to see what's going on, you'd have to be blind!
By your "logic" that we can't hate the German celebrities who influenced people to vote for Hitler.
After all they were tricked into thinking he was a good person.
:crazy:
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http://money.cnn.com/2014/08/12/news/companies/robin-williams-charity/
On screen, Robin Williams was a whirlwind of energy. Off screen, Williams channeled that energy into charitable work.
The late actor offered his time, money and celebrity name to over 50 charities and causes, according to Look to the Stars, a website that compiles the charitable works of celebrities.
One of his most visible efforts was fund-raising for the St. Jude Children's Research Hospital. Williams began appearing in commercials and public service announcements for the hospital in 2004.
St. Jude said Williams never charged a fee for his participation in any events or activities.
"Whenever he had an opportunity to meet patients and families he would do it. When you have a person of Robin's caliber, it helps sick kids forget about their diseases for a while." said Kelly Schulz, vice president of communications at St. Jude.
The same year, Williams joined the board of the Christopher & Dana Reeve Foundation, which raises money for spinal cord injury research. Williams served on the board for four years.
Williams and Christopher Reeve, the actor and director, were roommates when they were students at the Juilliard performing arts school in New York.
"Robin would do two or three dinners or events for us each year," said Peter Wilderotter, CEO of the foundation.
"Many celebs have requirements about cars and who they will talk to, but Robin was the opposite. He showed up on his own and he stayed at our events and talked to everyone," said Wilderotter.
While he would not discuss amounts, Wilderotter said that Williams was also very generous in his financial support of the foundation. "These weren't token gifts," he said.
Wilderotter added that Williams lent his name to the organization because of his special relationship with Reeve. Fund-raising letters using Williams' name, "always had a better response than the usual fund-raising letters," he said.
Williams was also a big supporter of the United Service Organizations, or USO, which provides support and morale-boosting performances to U.S. troops and their families.
The USO said that throughout his 12 years of involvement with the organization, Williams created special moments for nearly 90,000 servicemen and servicewomen in 13 countries.
"Williams traveled around the world to lift the spirits of our troops and their families. He will always be a part of our USO family and will be sorely missed," the organization said in a statement.
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It is sick that some people here curse anyone who supports a political figure that they don't like. It is the same lame silliness that the demonrats did with the 'hate bush' thing. The hate is blown totally out of proportion and it is unholy.
A person who supported Obama because he was a democrat is not evil. By creating such a black/white situation you create a lot of needless hatred. If Mr Williams had stated that he supports the Hamas or the so-called Palestinians maybe he would be considered evil. But Obama was portrayed as a friend of the Jews and only us Israel-watchers were keen to the problem posed by Obama. I do not blame those who supported Obama and did not know what they were getting into. I do not hate those who voted for him. It is silly and I think this whole discussion is plain stupid.
I have had a lot of people apologize for voting for Obamo and admit they were wrong for believing him...
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I hate Obama but I don't hate those who voted for him (as many in my family fall in that category).
I also dont think anyone (aside from us and some other voices) really considered Obama to be an an enemy of Israel. I remember several of my minyan friends from that time who voted for Obama (now they truly regret that mistake, but may continue to vote democrat 'G-d forbid')...
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I hate Obama but I don't hate those who voted for him (as many in my family fall in that category).
I also dont think anyone (aside from us and some other voices) really considered Obama to be an an enemy of Israel. I remember several of my minyan friends from that time who voted for Obama (now they truly regret that mistake, but may continue to vote democrat 'G-d forbid')...
Where is those statements Mr Williams said where he is sorry for influencing people to vote for Obama & where are the statements where he condemned Obamas stance on Israel? I want to see them Muman.
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Where is those statements Mr Williams said where he is sorry for influencing people to vote for Obama & where are the statements where he condemned Obamas stance on Israel? I want to see them Muman.
Some people are stupid! They look no further than they are told!
I have a question for you... Do you remember the Culdee's?
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Where is those statements Mr Williams said where he is sorry for influencing people to vote for Obama & where are the statements where he condemned Obamas stance on Israel? I want to see them Muman.
I hate when people use questions that are really statements (ironically appearing twice here) to try to get people to condemn themselves, so you're saying that you should hate people that voted for Obama, and Muman is wrong for it.
I say that's a lot of people you don't know to hate. People sometimes do destructive things out of ignorance, but if they really knew the truth of the situation and had a chance to process it in their way, then you can judge them on what they do with it. If we didn't love them, we'd move to the mountains. In Rabbi Kahane's time, almost EVERY one of those Jews in the colleges would have voted for an Obama. Rabbi Kahane loved them enough to tell them the truth, and that changed history, but nowhere did we get permission to love bad things.
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Sorry to bump this thread again, but let us see what the crew from Trifecta at PJTV have to say on the topic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZRFs2LG1jU
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I hate when people use questions that are really statements (ironically appearing twice here) to try to get people to condemn themselves, so you're saying that you should hate people that voted for Obama, and Muman is wrong for it.
I say that's a lot of people you don't know to hate. People sometimes do destructive things out of ignorance, but if they really knew the truth of the situation and had a chance to process it in their way, then you can judge them on what they do with it. If we didn't love them, we'd move to the mountains. In Rabbi Kahane's time, almost EVERY one of those Jews in the colleges would have voted for an Obama. Rabbi Kahane loved them enough to tell them the truth, and that changed history, but nowhere did we get permission to love bad things.
Why don't you read over what I wrote instead of making these false statements.
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This is the problem with Hollywood. Someone with the talent of Robin Williams, don't get the help they need because they are so talented. Robin needed help, and stupid hollywood didn't give a damn. All they cared about was him performing in movies.
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I get why people care about the lives of people they admit are weird perverts (and therefore wouldn't want to know about) on tv now.
Tuesday, August 12, 2014
The Romance of the Fall
Posted by Daniel Greenfield @ the Sultan Knish blog 10 Comments
Robin Williams is the keyword of the hour. Seeing the rash of stories about him, you might think that he went out at the high point of his career. And yet those same people couldn't be bothered to actually watch the movies he was starring in.
The closest he came to a starring role in the last few years was Old Dogs. It made less than $50 million. Before that there was License to Wed. A handful of people saw that.
Last year he was back on television. And the show he was on was cancelled after its first season.
The same public eating up Robin Williams stories now was bored and disinterested. A week ago, it wouldn't have paid attention to Robin Williams if he had paid them to. It didn't go to see his movies. It didn't watch his TV show.
Now that he committed suicide, it temporarily can't get enough of him.
History is speedily rewritten to put him at the center of everything. And yet how many of those same people turning him into the trending topic of everything tuned in to the series finale of The Crazy Ones? The ratings say that not a whole lot of people did.
What makes Robin Williams suddenly so fascinating and compelling is that he killed himself. It's not just that he's dead. It's that he died tragically. It's that he took his own life.
Lauren Bacall, an arguably greater star, isn't picking up the same headlines. She didn't kill herself. There's no terribly compelling backstory of drugs, depression and failed marriages to pick over as the cause of her death.
She just died.
If Robin Williams had died of natural causes, he would have lingered briefly in the news before being shouldered aside by a pop star's outfit. It's his self-destruction that makes his story a magnet for a society that is destroying itself.
It's one thing to slow down to gawk at a car accident, but it's another thing to do it while your own car is crashing into a concrete barrier.
The society that can't get enough of a man who killed himself is killing itself in much the same ways. It suffers from impulse control problems, it's addictions are out of control, it ricochets wildly between frenzied pleasure seeking and deep depression. It has no hope for the future but is constantly cracking jokes.
Robin Williams was on a streak in the nineties. Then his career died in the oughts.
I'm not particularly familiar with what was going on in his personal life, but one obvious metric is that he passed the fifty mark. He was now officially old. Within a few years the career of an actor who had regularly been starring in big movies was gone.
Our society doesn't like getting old. Many of the people mourning Williams are really mourning their own youth. They're marking dates on a calendar, scrolling back to see when Good Morning Vietnam or even Good Will Hunting came out and wondering if so much time could have really passed.
But the society of the cliff, the one that is slowing down to gawk as his body is being wheeled into an ambulance while their car is going over the cliff, finds the instinct of self-destruction compelling. In feeling sorry for him, they are really feeling sorry for themselves.
And that is the new role of fame, to embody not the hopeful and the vibrant, but the destructive. To entertain the people and then to die for the people. To distract the audience from its own mortality.
The compelling stories are no longer on screen, they are off screen. Movies and television are becoming the background for the reality dramas of fame. Audiences are less interested in cinematic evocations of hope, in the dramas of morality and heroism. They prefer the real life dramas of people made famous making fools of themselves in public until they either leave the stage or die.
Robin Williams never left the stage.
This isn't about Robin Williams, who was after all someone's father and someone's husband. Our country is run, politically and culturally, by men and women who make him seem like the soul of rectitude. They just don't announce it on stage. Or when they do, like David Carr or Barack Obama, they spin it as part of their upward trajectory. But there is no upward trajectory.
Our society is dying because we traded the virtues of character for fake inspiration. And fake inspiration is ridiculously cheap and ridiculously worthless. It asks nothing of people and it gives them nothing.
Robin Williams mimed that kind of inspiration in countless movies. And he wasn't the only one. What Obama offered America was the same empty hopeless hope, the invocation of an artificial inspiration created through tone and expression, but that asked nothing of our character.
Deep down everyone can sense the hollowness. It's what leads them to stop and gawk. The crowds who want inspiration are really looking for something darker. They want a hope to save them from themselves. They want some inspiration that will prevent them from seeing who they really are. And if they can't have that, they want an excuse for their deaths and the death of their society.
Actors understand better than anyone that there is no escaping from ourselves. It's the audience that is fooled. It's the audience that wants to believe in inspiration and immortality, and when the belief dies, it weeps over the corpse of the performer, tastes his despair and then moves on.
Character means making difficult decisions and taking responsibility for them. It's not something that our society does anymore. Too many of us have diseases or are victims or somehow disadvantaged. Character is individualistic. It asks us to walk the only path of escape from our own flaws by taking responsibility for them.
The alternative is the romance of the fall. The car headed for the concrete barrier. The society of the cliff pointing and laughing even while it's waiting to fall. Crowds begging for fake inspiration and dying as eternal victims because no one ever taught them how to choose life.
Each generation is called upon to take responsibility for its own choices. The failure to take responsibility is the death drive. Those who refuse to take responsibility are choosing death and the willingness to die attracts them. It embodies the death drive that their beliefs naturally lead to.
They romanticize death because they have chosen to abdicate their lives. Their deaths are a slow thing and may take generations to complete. It is a choice that they can always undo. The romance of the fall always ends in shadow. The end of character is also the death of the soul and the society.
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I will disagree personally with the author of the piece posted by LKZ... I am only speaking for myself.
I have no fascination with the suicide aspect of Robin Williams death. I am not fascinated with the story at all, and as the guys at PJTV said it was just a matter of time before a manic mind like Mr Williams burst. Some great comedians do grow old and I am hoping to start a thread in the 'Time Out' section showcasing some of the great comedic talent of the previous generation...
For instance in the 90s when the Nirvana frontman Kurt Cobain committed suicide at the prime of his career I had absolutely no interest in the story, nor did I ever watch a documentary about Kurt Cobain nor have I ever liked any of his music. If I were attracted to stories of suicidal death I should have been attracted to that story, and yet I have no interest in Nirvana, Kurt Cobain, or any of the craziness which spewed from that story...
What I am sad for is that Mr Williams brand of comedic genius is gone and I grew up on that kind of comedy, and as the thread I hope to post tonight or tomorrow will demonstrate, there were many genius comedians in my lifetime.
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Watching both IZ and muman613 argue is like watching a drama movie!
More popcorn will be prepared.
Irish Zionist on August 12, 2014, 04:11:06 PM
He supported Obama, Robin Williams SUPPORTED OBAMA!
Hello? Are you awake?
So that justifies it? Your level for cursing people is very very low... And in my opinion it runs counter to a great deal of wisdom.
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Like most people I started out with sorrow and compassion. I always heard he was a nice guy. Recently I learned that it was a diagnosis of Parkinson's Disease that tipped him over. I could imagine that with his addiction issue he needed Parkinson's like a second rectum.
Come to think of it that is how I felt when I was diagnosed with PD. it was at the height of a difficult time with my son. It was two years ago. The last two years have generally been good. I have done better financially than at any time in my life. My son has improved. I have enjoyed traveling and have become much more aware of the precious quality of our limited time above ground. It never occurred to me to kill myself.
Williams is a role model whether he likes it or not. He has young adult children. He has millions of fans. Hopefully nobody with PD will be influenced by him.
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I don't know if I would curse RW but he is answering for his choices right now. So much talent, what a waste.
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Like most people I started out with sorrow and compassion. I always heard he was a nice guy. Recently I learned that it was a diagnosis of Parkinson's Disease that tipped him over. I could imagine that with his addiction issue he needed Parkinson's like a second rectum.
Come to think of it that is how I felt when I was diagnosed with PD. it was at the height of a difficult time with my son. It was two years ago. The last two years have generally been good. I have done better financially than at any time in my life. My son has improved. I have enjoyed traveling and have become much more aware of the precious quality of our limited time above ground. It never occurred to me to kill myself.
Williams is a role model whether he likes it or not. He has young adult children. He has millions of fans. Hopefully nobody with PD will be influenced by him.
So sorry to hear about your diagnosis.
Refuah shelema.
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Like most people I started out with sorrow and compassion. I always heard he was a nice guy. Recently I learned that it was a diagnosis of Parkinson's Disease that tipped him over. I could imagine that with his addiction issue he needed Parkinson's like a second rectum.
Come to think of it that is how I felt when I was diagnosed with PD. it was at the height of a difficult time with my son. It was two years ago. The last two years have generally been good. I have done better financially than at any time in my life. My son has improved. I have enjoyed traveling and have become much more aware of the precious quality of our limited time above ground. It never occurred to me to kill myself.
Williams is a role model whether he likes it or not. He has young adult children. He has millions of fans. Hopefully nobody with PD will be influenced by him.
I am sorry to hear about this. PD is another disease which needs to have a cure found for it.
My ex-wifes father is in late stage PD...
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So sorry to hear about your diagnosis.
Refuah shelema.
Amen.
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I am sorry to hear about this. PD is another disease which needs to have a cure found for it.
My ex-wifes father is in late stage PD...
If I recall you live on the Peninsula. Stanford has a research tnrial on deep brain stimulation which is sometimes very effective for late stage PD. if you are interested I will send you the details.
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If I recall you live on the Peninsula. Stanford has a research tnrial on deep brain stimulation which is sometimes very effective for late stage PD. if you are interested I will send you the details.
He doesn't live near me, rather down towards Los Angeles... I don't talk with him, although I will see if she is interested in telling him.