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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Lubab on February 07, 2017, 02:54:47 PM
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Now than it's been a few weeks. It's time to look back at my thread before the election
Hillary was running against Trump. JTF was spending virtually all its time attacking Trump. Essentially helping Hillary and implying Hillary would be a better choice because those were ethe only two Candidates in the race. You were on Hillary's side. You even said she would be better on Israel .
Here's what happened.
JTF said Trump would not keep his promises to his followers.
With a mindblowing pace Trump has, with one executive order after the other kept his promises to his voters in ways we haven't seen in any American President in history.
Trump is building the wall.
JTF is complaing that he keeps talking about who will pay for it.
But he's actually building one. Hillary would not.
He's calling out Radical Islalmic terrorism for what it is "Islamic terrorism". Hillary would have not.
He's taking active steps to keep Muslims out of the country. Hillary would not.
The stock market went over 20,000 points recently. With Hillary it would not.
JTF said the stock market would do poorly under trump.
JTF said Trump would be bad or Israel.
Trump gave the job over to Jared Kushner who just a few weeks ago had a Chabad Shaliach over for Shabbs to discuss the Rebbe's view on Eretz Yisroel. We actually have someone Jewsih taking advice from the Lubavitcher Rebbe! This is historic!
JTF ignores this and is busy criticizing Jared and Ivanka's frumkeit.
And then for the most dishonest play by JTF.
JTF has started to compare what Trump is doing to what Ted Cruz would have done. It's really easy to speculate about what some one WOULD have done and a lot harder to deal with the relalities.
It's like whenver they have a poll of REAL CANDIDATE vs. UNKONWN candidate. They always choose the unknow. Because we can always hope for the best.
But it's fair for you to "fill iln the blanks" on what you think Cruz would have done. It's likely Cruz would have folded under the pressue like everyone else if you ask me
But that's not the dishonest point ;
The real dishonest point is that you stopped comparing him to Hillary and started comparing him to Cruz.
Nobody minded when you were preffering Cruz over trump. A LOT of people minded that you preffered Trump over Hillary.
And that is where you were wrong.
And that's where you need to admit you were wrong and stop acting like JTF had it right all along (like always).
No.
I was here.
I spooke the words
And I saw what you said.
And except for a few of you. You were all wrong.
If you had prophetic visions into the next 3 weeks after the election you would have spent your time bashing Hillary instead bashing Trump.
So be a man and admit you were wrong. HIllaryo was the worse choice by far and now you know it. You can't 'compare him to Cruz to get away from the facts.
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Lubab..you are a man of faith and emuna, right?
First things first, Trump has only been in office for a few months. You can't say, "I told you so."
Secondly, while there are some things which appear to be good that he has done, he hasn't been so clever doing it. More riots have erupted due to some of his decisions wide in the open.
Trump has also spoken on both sides of the mouth regarding settlements and the PLO.
So to be honest, there is none of this I told you so garbage you are spewing.. You told us nothing.
Also, JTF never endorsed Hillary. And JTF, being that it is a small organization, would not have helped Hillary get elected regardless.
In fact, Gd wanted all of this to happen and He wants the Jewish people to do Tchuva because the Ishmaelim are coming anyway.
Trumps actions can backfire as well. All of these cavelier moves can bounce back and becoming meaningless in the future.
A wise leader would do things we would want them to do a little bit more quietly.
So again, don't go flaunting that you are a prophet. You aren't a prophet.
And if Trump succeeds and does a great job, believe me, all of us who were opposed to trump to begin with will admit we were wrong and jump on the trump train.
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The word is "preferred", genius. Sorry about your spat with Alex Jones, if you get on your knees and plead for forgiveness I'm sure he will take you back in no time.
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You are right. Even now, JTF can not say a good word about Trump, even when he is doing the things he promised.
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I turned around completely to support him, and the next day he says he doesn't want any more Jewish houses going up. I don't need another word to know we were betrayed, and he ran the perfect scheme, he says all the most extreme things to get votes, and he just has to soften every position one by one to get liberal support.
"It's likely Cruz would have folded under the pressue like everyone else if you ask me"
Nonsense.
The issue that matters most is making America a nuclear swamp with Iranian nukes. Trump is doing nothing there. The issue that matters most to Hashem so for real is Israel, he would do less damage if he said from the start he was against Israel than saying he's pro-Israel unless there are houses for Jews, and then that has to stop.
As for reinstanting the travel ban Obama did, good there are less muslims for a bit, I won't attack him on that, but hurting Israel helps empower the Muslims to destroy America and the rest of the world more than anything he could do to harm them.
He said houses are an obstacle to peace, which means directly that Jews can't build there because they have to give the land to terrorists for there to be peace between muslims and Jews (though no one says there will be between muslims and muslims). That different than Obama's position? The one thing that is, is that he says he loves Israel first.
It will take me 3 seconds to turn around and support him, but for these two issues, nothing he does in America will matter, it will all come to ruin. We should make a campaign to get Tillerson fired over this, or force him to change the position, the political cost of destroying America must be made higher than the cost of saving it, and you can't do it with attacks, every commie wishes death and dismemerment on him daily. You must convince him through others that supporting the muslims that want to destroy Israel as he's turned to do is a betrayal of everything he ran on and force a change.
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"It's likely Cruz would have folded under the pressure like everyone else if you ask me"
Nonsense.
Israel Chai, why do you think that is nonsense?
Cruz exposed himself as a typical politician.
Very disappointing.
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The warning not to build in the settelemnets cannot be washed away, it's a bad move against Israel, obviously not an unprecedented one. Another major issue is he is going to hold onto the Iran nuclear deal even though the Iranis themselves have already provided a pretext to nullify it by conducting ballistic missile tests.
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Israel Chai, why do you think that is nonsense?
Cruz exposed himself as a typical politician.
Very disappointing.
Before I meet people in person, I always warn them if they make a general ambiguous insult to me, I will snap their jawbone and make them kiss the curb. Say it if it's important or keep your trash in your face.
Rephrase that. I usually break it down into the general things you said with questions, but long day at work today, I will kick in the wall if I have to sit there and think about how retarded what you said is longer.
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Ok so equally will kick in the wall if I write ten staments that show you how retarded what you said is used to attack things you love, so rephrase it or I will spend a week insulting you on very specific things.
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Amazing that Lubab would serve up Israeli settlers on an altar to mexican walls.
Oh and American Jews get sacrificed by Lubab too so that Trump can please the white nationalists who want to convince the world that holocaust never happened and do another one on jews.
Sickening
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Lubab cites the stock market movements to make his case lol. Does that mean Obama was a good president because the markets more than doubled during his terms? Lololol.
And why does a few weeks of stock movements set in stone some kind of victory for you? If it subsequently goes down from here by significant percentage over Trump's term then you'll concede he screwed up ?
These are even weaker than your theological arguments.
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Before I meet people in person, I always warn them if they make a general ambiguous insult to me, I will snap their jawbone and make them kiss the curb. Say it if it's important or keep your trash in your face.
Rephrase that. I usually break it down into the general things you said with questions, but long day at work today, I will kick in the wall if I have to sit there and think about how retarded what you said is longer.
Huh? I think she was saying she's disappointed with cruz
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Huh? I think she was saying she's disappointed with cruz
Ah that is specific. I am disappointed with toilet seats that won't stay up. It is not the reason why, but it is a specific claim. "He's a typical politican" means what? What makes you say that? Why he exposed himself and not someone else exposed him? What actions did he do that show what the typical politican does.
Outside of America, the typical politician accumulates power while delivering demagoguery in return. They will also sell out the nation for more power.
Completely meaningless statement designed to only cause doubt, and impossible to respond to. What specific thing can I defend Cruz on? It's a general insult. You can say "that simply isn't so", but that sounds gay and no one listens, so I usually do my best to cripple people that make general insults, you wanted to be safe? You took away the opportunity for me to respond with words. Your femur needs a protruding fracture to help you think about it.
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Poppy just doesn't understand.
Poppy never gets it perfect.
Poppy is just going overboard.
OK, there goes the wall, gotta go now.
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Israel Chai, why do you think that is nonsense?
Cruz exposed himself as a typical politician.
Very disappointing.
Cruz is a phony, okay, fine. What does that have to do with the rightness or wrongness of Trump? That makes it okay for Trump to run a conjob as a pro-Israel anti-Fakestinian hawk and then turn around and show his altright true colors?
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Israel Chai, I asked you a serious question. But I guess I should know better than to do that.
Cruz is so far up President Trump's behind for his own sake. I think he is worse than your average politician. You praise him. He praises Trump.
Insult me all you want. Make threats. That makes you a big man. A great JTFer.
And LSDBR, Don't address me. I did not mention Trump. But he won. Your girl lost. Cruz caved. You and Israel Chai deserve each other and JTF deserves you both.
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Ah that is specific. I am disappointed with toilet seats that won't stay up. It is not the reason why, but it is a specific claim. "He's a typical politican" means what? What makes you say that? Why he exposed himself and not someone else exposed him? What actions did he do that show what the typical politican does.
Yea I hear your point on this 100%. At the same time I think this point can be made without threatening poppy. She doesn't have to like cruz. By all means hold her to a high standard of argument but she's been a good long time member here who shouldn't get the violent rhetoric. I have never seen her say a negative word on Jews ever. Disliking cruz is not some terrible thing even if u and I think he should be liked, u know?
Completely meaningless statement designed to only cause doubt, and impossible to respond to. What specific thing can I defend Cruz on? It's a general insult. You can say "that simply isn't so", but that sounds gay and no one listens, so I usually do my best to cripple people that make general insults, you wanted to be safe?
Yea i get the argument but same as above.
You took away the opportunity for me to respond with words. Your femur needs a protruding fracture to help you think about it.
I mean ur using it metaphorically here but the comments you said talked about real violent threats. Doesn't make sense to me.
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Israel Chai, I asked you a serious question. But I guess I should know better than to do that.
Cruz is so far up President Trump's behind for his own sake. I think he is worse than your average politician. You praise him. He praises Trump.
Insult me all you want. Make threats. That makes you a big man. A great JTFer.
And LSDBR, Don't address me. I did not mention Trump. But he won. Your girl lost. Cruz caved. You and Israel Chai deserve each other and JTF deserves you both.
I am not defending Cruz anymore. He is a liar and sellout. That doesn't mean Trump is a good guy now.
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Lubab, lets please wait for a MUCH longer period of time before we can truly gauge the Donald Trump Presidency.
One thing that's worth keeping in mind is that unintended and unexpected consequences could occur.
Also, it remains to be seen what Donald Trump's objectives are over his entire time in office and if he will change course.
I voted for Ted Cruz in November but I have been willing to give President Trump a chance. I have been battling the Left since Trump took office. However, the statement last Thursday on the Settlements is very concerning. So is Trump being comfortable with ' LGBTQ' legislation.
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Israel Chai, I asked you a serious question. But I guess I should know better than to do that.
Cruz is so far up President Trump's behind for his own sake. I think he is worse than your average politician. You praise him. He praises Trump.
Insult me all you want. Make threats. That makes you a big man. A great JTFer.
And LSDBR, Don't address me. I did not mention Trump. But he won. Your girl lost. Cruz caved. You and Israel Chai deserve each other and JTF deserves you both.
Ah you said it there it is. You said that he supports Trump and that violates his principles. Yay. Ok so what are the results of what he is doing, and what do you propose he do to prove he's unlike phony corrupt politicians?
Why do I assume that? I think that you might actually turn against JTF and put videos of people doing feet things and with my name and some other jtfer on it before youtube takes it down. Don't bother asking what reasoning I have for it, I'm making a statement here and that's it, and if you say that's nonsense I'll question you on it.
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I don't have anything against you, I wouldn't do anything other than be incredibly annoyed and punch something hard with you sitting across the world and never care. General arguments are just insults that you have to attack back to, and I don't like insulting people, I happen to love most people for even little things alot, I prefer violence in response to insults.
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He can't prove anything to me. I will never vote for him again. And I don't think it is worth a discussion. As I am overboard, insulting and just can't get things.
Oh no. Not feet. Any video I would make would not include feet. :yuck:
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I am not defending Cruz anymore. He is a liar and sellout. That doesn't mean Trump is a good guy now.
Since you responded.
Good guy. Bad guy. Who determines that? You?
Just yell Alex Jones and troll at anyone who supports Trump.
I have yet to reach that high standard of argument.
He has done enough so far, for me, not to regret voting for him.
Finally, a man not afraid to name our enemies. To want to protect Americans.
Who isn't out to hamstring the military and law enforcement. Who would like to eliminate common core and will attempt to change the sham of our educational system. Return educational choices to parents. Not the teacher union. Is he a perfect politician? Do I think he will achieve all his goals. NO. Didn't think it when I voted for him.
And yes,
I do pray for Israel. I pray they have strong enough leadership to stand for their people.
And I pray that Trump will do the right thing by them.
So, now. You don't have to be snarky with me, call me a troll or attempt to get me banned. Do you think it really matters?
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Since you responded.
Good guy. Bad guy. Who determines that? You?
Just yell Alex Jones and troll at anyone who supports Trump.
I have yet to reach that high standard of argument.
He has done enough so far, for me, not to regret voting for him.
Finally, a man not afraid to name our enemies. To want to protect Americans.
Who isn't out to hamstring the military and law enforcement. Who would like to eliminate common core and will attempt to change the sham of our educational system. Return educational choices to parents. Not the teacher union. Is he a perfect politician? Do I think he will achieve all his goals. NO. Didn't think it when I voted for him.
And yes,
I do pray for Israel. I pray they have strong enough leadership to stand for their people.
And I pray that Trump will do the right thing by them.
So, now. You don't have to be snarky with me, call me a troll or attempt to get me banned. Do you think it really matters?
Bullcat, I really couldn't care less about you or whoever it is you are for now. You voted for Cruz in the primary--yippee for you. You get a participation medal. That doesn't change the fact that your brother was a complete tuchis who got himself banned (not me, LKZ, etc).
I was not calling you an Alex Jones conspiracist--that would be your friend Lubab I was referring to. I know you think he's sent from above, but the fact is he is a certifiable nut (I believe he himself has promoted AJ) and a troll, to boot. You can get your panties in a bunch if you want, but I'm not pulling punches with him. If you honestly think this thread, or Lubab (and your brother's) conduct over the past eight months has been acceptable in any way, we have entirely different definitions of acceptable.
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Considering Lubab is a 9/11 truther I think it's more than fair to yell Alex Jones reptilian people at him.
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Considering Lubab is a 9/11 truther I think it's more than fair to yell Alex Jones reptilian people at him.
It would have more impact if it weren't yelled at everyone that disagrees.
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Bullcat, I really couldn't care less about you or whoever it is you are for now. You voted for Cruz in the primary--yippee for you. You get a participation medal. That doesn't change the fact that your brother was a complete tuchis who got himself banned (not me, LKZ, etc).
I was not calling you an Alex Jones conspiracist--that would be your friend Lubab I was referring to. I know you think he's sent from above, but the fact is he is a certifiable nut (I believe he himself has promoted AJ) and a troll, to boot. You can get your panties in a bunch if you want, but I'm not pulling punches with him. If you honestly think this thread, or Lubab (and your brother's) conduct over the past eight months has been acceptable in any way, we have entirely different definitions of acceptable.
My brother must have gotten under your skin with that Talky Tina stuff. You just can't let it go. I didn't mention my brother. I didn't mention Lubab. I didn't mention Israel Chai ( in relation to my brother). I just asked, Israel Chai, why what Lubab said about Ted Cruz was nonsense. And I didn't mention Lubab in that post.
Ted Cruz has so much more vim and vigor when he is supporting Donald Trump's ideas and nominees.
Had he had that in the primaries...we might have a different president right now.
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I really liked Cruz's performance in the debate last night against bernie sanders.
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Yes. Me too.
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Yea I hear your point on this 100%. At the same time I think this point can be made without threatening poppy. She doesn't have to like cruz. By all means hold her to a high standard of argument but she's been a good long time member here who shouldn't get the violent rhetoric. I have never seen her say a negative word on Jews ever. Disliking cruz is not some terrible thing even if u and I think he should be liked, u know?
Yea i get the argument but same as above.
I mean ur using it metaphorically here but the comments you said talked about real violent threats. Doesn't make sense to me.
You can call me any insult in the book and i will not care so long as you are saying something. If you make a general insult that means nothing, bye bye words time, the correct response is violence or publicly humiliating the person on their lack of communication skills, and I think it's mean, especially since telemarketing made me good at it. I can hurt someone alot more by humiliating them on all their insecurities and faults and destroying their self-worth and hope, and I only do that if someone tries to act like there is a 30 foot imaginary crown on his head that requires every to be delicate with him and respect the air crown no matter what he says.
She doesn't have to like Cruz. If she says "Cruz is such a rat, just look at his face you know he's a rat, how can you trust him he's a rat", I will very much desire to use violence. If she attacks him even from the left, I will respond to her arguments with no emotion.
It's nothing personal, I think she's a wonderful person, and I refuse to insult her. If she was in front of me and said that I'd probably just throw the chest of drawers out of the window, I wouldn't hit her, if it was a guy yeah, now you learned your lesson to make general arguments that remove your colleague's ability to respond rationally.
You can not like Cruz and I don't care. I personally am emotionally neutral on him, and think he always fights for really good things and endorses anyone with feet, I trust him in charge and almost no one he has ever endorsed, like Trump's old campaign manager. A rule in sales is "no one ever said, "I love the product but hated the salesman." If they didn't like the salesman they didn't buy". This is because most people have never used their brain for longer than a minute and are complete emotional junkies, and so what the product will do for them does not matter, they buy relationships with a salesman they won't see three seconds later ever again, and any detail they communicate about themselves is simply a tool to exploit the customer to make him buy more or sooner, no one cares about some stranger's daughter's piano recital. This pattern of behavior is equally retarded in my eyes to basing your decision about a political leader based on your emotions that will change five minutes from now and need no basis or logical justification to exist or change. Cruz never stopped fighting for good causes and endorsing bad people. As for judging him on little things to see if you like him, that's a judgement a wicked man makes, if it's not about his righteousness. Jews don't do confession to men, stop telling me you're a wicked person.
That being said I can still like someone if they say their emotions are what decided the political actions they'll take in regards to Cruz, but if they hide that with general arguments so their weak position can't be attacked, I'm not going to just accept the insult to my intelligence, I'm going to put intelligence aside for a moment and show you what it's really like when you have an irrational person that wants to get your way, and when you would like to finish playing and return to a rational discussion, I will as well.
Also, an epiphany I've spent several months studying is insults are usually about things that simply aren't true because people that do not think are not capable of insulting others, they just say things that hurt them, and I've discovered I can extract valuable information about people when they start insulting, so I like to get myself into that position. Threatening violence on the internet is an excellent way to get people to insult you, since it is normal to want to spite something so ridiculous, and in the case that she doesn't want to make arguments and discuss, and would prefer to get personal, I'll win.
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I seem to remember Trump promising to to help Israel and not condemn Jews building on their own land in Israel (like Obama did). I guess that promise doesn't matter at all to Lubab who likes insulting an entire religious forum of people because our organization says the truth when it's not popular.
How about Trump and his love for the “two-state solution” with Islamic terrorists and telling Israel that “settlements are an obstacle to peace” (just like Obama did). This is rather shocking because that’s exactly what the United Nations was condemning when everyone said Obama betrayed Israel and stabbed Israel in the back by abstaining from the vote. Trump does EXACTLY what Obama and Kerry did and where's the outcry?
https://jtf.org/trump-adopts-obama-policy-and-turns-on-israel-warns-israel-to-curb-settlement-construction/
U.S. President Donald Trump has warned Israel to stop its unilateral announcements of new construction in Judea and Samaria, an unnamed official in Washington told the Jerusalem Post on Thursday. The official said Israel’s recent announcements, which he said were not coordinated with the White House, undermine Trump’s efforts to reach a peace agreement between Israel and the [PLO], and also added that Trump is committed to a negotiated “two-state solution” to the conflict.
Trump can't even decide if the Muslim Brotherhood is a terrorist organization (just like Obama):
https://jtf.org/trump-admin-debates-designating-muslim-brotherhood-as-terrorist-group/
A debate is under way in the Trump administration about whether the United States should declare the Muslim Brotherhood a terrorist organization and subject it to US sanctions, according to US officials and people close to President Donald Trump’s transition team.
A faction led by Michael Flynn, Trump’s National Security Advisor, wants to add the Brotherhood to the State Department and US Treasury lists of foreign terrorist organizations, the sources said.
“I know it has been discussed. I’m in favor of it,” said a Trump transition advisor, who declined to be named because of the sensitivity of the issue.
The advisor said Flynn’s team discussed adding the group to the US list of terrorist groups but said it was ultimately unclear when or even if the administration ultimately would go ahead with such a move.
And Trump's sending armored vehicles to Muslim Syrian “rebels” connected to Al Qaeda (just like Obama did). You know, the Syria right next to Israel.
https://jtf.org/trump-administration-sends-armored-vehicles-to-muslim-syrian-rebels-connected-to-al-qaeda/
The Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), an alliance of Arab and Kurdish forces in northern Syria, has received armored vehicles from the US, indicating increased support from Washington under the administration of President Donald Trump. A small number of vehicles arrived four or five days ago, SDF spokesman Talal Silo told Reuters. “Previously we didn’t get support in this form, we would get light weapons and ammunition,” he added. “There are signs of full support from the new American leadership – more than before – for our forces.” The shipment was confirmed by Pentagon spokesman John Dorrian, who said it was made “using existing authorities, in the interest of helping protect our partnered force from the (IS) improvised-explosive device threat.”
And who needs a wall (that doesn't even exist yet and no one is even 100% if one will ever exist) with “partners” like that and when Trump says illegals shouldn't be worried because he “has a big heart”? He's already defending illegals all over the place (just like Obama did).
https://jtf.org/trump-undocumented-youth-shouldnt-be-worried-because-i-do-have-a-big-heart-for-illegals/
Young illegal immigrants who have been granted relief from deportation “shouldn’t be worried” about having their legal status revoked, President Trump said Wednesday.
In his first television interview since entering the Oval Office, Trump told ABC’s David Muir that individuals protected under the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program “shouldn’t be very worried” about a sudden change that would make them subject to removal.
“I do have a big heart,” the president said.
Or how about Trump throwing America under the bus (like Obama) and comparing Americans to the mass-murderer Putin? And when he got called out on it, he was out playing golf (just like Obama):
https://jtf.org/trump-compares-americans-to-mass-murdering-russian-dictator-putin-you-think-our-country-is-so-innocent/
“I respect a lot of people, that doesn’t mean I’m going to get along with him,” Trump told O’Reilly.
“He’s a leader of his country, and I say it’s better to get along with Russia than not and if Russia helps us in the fight against ISIS which is a major fight and Islamic terrorism all over the world and major fight, that’s a good thing. Will I get along with him? I have no idea.”
When O’Reilly fired back, calling Putin a killer, Trump responded, “There are a lot of killers. You think our country is so innocent?”
And since when did Trumps support for homosexual “marriage” and transgender bathrooms (just like Obama) become acceptable to supposed “conservatives”? Do you think that's compatible with the Torah? Do you think that makes Hashem happy?
https://jtf.org/ivanka-trump-and-jared-kushner-pushed-donald-trump-to-uphold-obamas-pro-lgbt-executive-order/
The president’s daughter and her husband, who serves as a White House senior adviser, worked to nix a draft executive order outlining how to roll back some of the protections granted by former president Barack Obama’s 2014 executive order, Politico reported Friday, citing “multiple sources with knowledge of the situation.”
The White House said Tuesday that President Trump was “determined to protect the rights of all Americans, including the LGBTQ community.”
I can keep going! I've just barely gotten started!
Lubab doesn't give a flip about Israel. He just cares about being “right” and causing problems because his ego is hiding behind his arrogance and celebrity worship. That's why he comes back with ignorant digs to one of the only organizations out that are really helping the Jews in Judea and Sumeria. Nice job, Lubab. Throw Israel under the bus so you can worship Cheeto king that made all his money and power by ripping people off and with Casinos and strip clubs. Way to go. Such an upright guy.
Trump can't even manage to put in the same travel ban from terrorist countries that Obama did. It hasn't been but a few weeks and nothing has really been done yet but you showed us!
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Just forget it, there are some on JTF that are more anti Trump than CNN and the establishment you have an obsession of hatred against Trump much like the looney liberals all over the country, the good news is that the vast majority of Right Wing Jews around the world are Trump supporters. I know Trump is not perfect but he trumps anything we have ever seen before in a leader. Iv'e said this before and I'll say it again, Trump is a messenger of God, he doesn't even know it although I think he is beginning to understand this, he does mention and praise God in many of his speeches. I also notice all those who attack Trump have been defeated he has what is called in Hebrew Hashgachat Hashem (Divine Protection).
I notice a little change in his policies towards Israel that raises some concern, I was not comfortable with his statement against the settlements and his latest statement on moving the embassy to Jerusalem. Its a shame because Hashem will punish Trump if he does not follow up on his promise, I believe Ivanka losing business and Trump losing to the courts is a sign that Hashem is not pleased with his change of heart towards Israel. I will wait and see what happens after Netanyahu arrives.
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Just forget it, there are some on JTF that are more anti Trump than CNN and the establishment you have an obsession of hatred against Trump much like the looney liberals all over the country, the good news is that the vast majority of Right Wing Jews around the world are Trump supporters. I know Trump is not perfect but he trumps anything we have ever seen before in a leader. Iv'e said this before and I'll say it again, Trump is a messenger of God, he doesn't even know it although I think he is beginning to understand this, he does mention and praise God in many of his speeches. I also notice all those who attack Trump have been defeated he has what is called in Hebrew Hashgachat Hashem (Divine Protection).
I notice a little change in his policies towards Israel that raises some concern, I was not comfortable with his statement against the settlements and his latest statement on moving the embassy to Jerusalem. Its a shame because Hashem will punish Trump if he does not follow up on his promise, I believe Ivanka losing business and Trump losing to the courts is a sign that Hashem is not pleased with his change of heart towards Israel. I will wait and see what happens after Netanyahu arrives.
Continue to pray to the ground your orange messiah walks in, then you'll find out for yourself what "divine protection" is like in the afterlife.
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"I notice a little change in his policies towards Israel that raises some concern, I was not comfortable with his statement against the settlements and his latest statement on moving the embassy to Jerusalem. Its a shame because Hashem will punish Trump if he does not follow up on his promise, I believe Ivanka losing business and Trump losing to the courts is a sign that Hashem is not pleased with his change of heart towards Israel. I will wait and see what happens after Netanyahu arrives."
Hm, this same thing happened with Cyrus of Persia in regards to the temple, and he had to be reconvinced to do the right thing before he was blessed. It would be beneficial to come to Trump with support and demand a return of support for our sake, and America's sake in the eyes of the Creator of the Universe.
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You can call me any insult in the book and i will not care so long as you are saying something. If you make a general insult that means nothing, bye bye words time, the correct response is violence or publicly humiliating the person on their lack of communication skills, and I think it's mean, especially since telemarketing made me good at it. I can hurt someone alot more by humiliating them on all their insecurities and faults and destroying their self-worth and hope, and I only do that if someone tries to act like there is a 30 foot imaginary crown on his head that requires every to be delicate with him and respect the air crown no matter what he says.
She doesn't have to like Cruz. If she says "Cruz is such a rat, just look at his face you know he's a rat, how can you trust him he's a rat", I will very much desire to use violence. If she attacks him even from the left, I will respond to her arguments with no emotion.
It's nothing personal, I think she's a wonderful person, and I refuse to insult her. If she was in front of me and said that I'd probably just throw the chest of drawers out of the window, I wouldn't hit her, if it was a guy yeah, now you learned your lesson to make general arguments that remove your colleague's ability to respond rationally.
You can not like Cruz and I don't care. I personally am emotionally neutral on him, and think he always fights for really good things and endorses anyone with feet, I trust him in charge and almost no one he has ever endorsed, like Trump's old campaign manager. A rule in sales is "no one ever said, "I love the product but hated the salesman." If they didn't like the salesman they didn't buy". This is because most people have never used their brain for longer than a minute and are complete emotional junkies, and so what the product will do for them does not matter, they buy relationships with a salesman they won't see three seconds later ever again, and any detail they communicate about themselves is simply a tool to exploit the customer to make him buy more or sooner, no one cares about some stranger's daughter's piano recital. This pattern of behavior is equally retarded in my eyes to basing your decision about a political leader based on your emotions that will change five minutes from now and need no basis or logical justification to exist or change. Cruz never stopped fighting for good causes and endorsing bad people. As for judging him on little things to see if you like him, that's a judgement a wicked man makes, if it's not about his righteousness. Jews don't do confession to men, stop telling me you're a wicked person.
That being said I can still like someone if they say their emotions are what decided the political actions they'll take in regards to Cruz, but if they hide that with general arguments so their weak position can't be attacked, I'm not going to just accept the insult to my intelligence, I'm going to put intelligence aside for a moment and show you what it's really like when you have an irrational person that wants to get your way, and when you would like to finish playing and return to a rational discussion, I will as well.
Also, an epiphany I've spent several months studying is insults are usually about things that simply aren't true because people that do not think are not capable of insulting others, they just say things that hurt them, and I've discovered I can extract valuable information about people when they start insulting, so I like to get myself into that position. Threatening violence on the internet is an excellent way to get people to insult you, since it is normal to want to spite something so ridiculous, and in the case that she doesn't want to make arguments and discuss, and would prefer to get personal, I'll win.
I asked you a question. That's it. I dont speak in circles And in my long studies of people, probably longer then you are alive, those who brag of their superior intellect and ways...are generally the most insecure people.
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I asked you a question. That's it. I dont speak in circles And in my long studies of people, probably longer then you are alive, those who brag of their superior intellect and ways...are generally the most insecure people.
It is not intellect. I simply can figure some things out about people by observing their reactions.
First you asked me why I didn't think that Ted Cruz would have probably caved and done what liberals say. Then you said that he exposed himself as a typical politician.
Rephrase the second part of your statement disguised as a question.
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I didn't accuse you of speaking in circles. I accused you of making general meaningless insults that can't be responded to. Make a specific claim, or just say "I hate Cruz", and I can forget this and talk to someone useful.
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I don't hate Ted Cruz. I lack respect for him. There is a difference. He may be intellectual and a constitutionalist. He may have been Israels best ally. But he didn't have enough fight in him. And when he lost he caved to Trump in stages. And why? Because he sees that Trump has good policies. He had an ephiphany. Or is it his way to keep relevent? Another pandering politician.
Listen, I know I am at odds with JTF. But how can Cruz stiill be lamented as a lost opportunity?
And Israel Chai, if my intellect is not worth engaging. Don't. You want me to give you my side of the story in facts, articles and pretty pictures. Easy enough to do today. Obviously you can find supporting 'facts' for any position. I inform myself and follow my instincts. Maybe emotionality comes into it. But the 'gut' feeling is never wrong. Unless you don't listen to it.
So, don't bother coming back to tell me I am of low intellect. You might upset my air crown. I need it for when I am saving lives.
I respect JTFs opinion of Trump. I disagree. And I have that right.
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The US will never get a Pro-Israeli President.
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Oh look... wow... big surprise... Trump stabs Israel in the back again and supports Muslims in the news again TODAY:
Trump: Settlement Construction Unhelpful to “Peace”, Israel Should Act “Reasonably”
http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.770971
A few days before his meeting with Netanyahu, Trump doubles back on positions that sparked optimism among Israel's settlers; interview published in Sheldon Adelson-owned paper day after Trump met casino magnate.
Reasonably? You mean make deals with Arab Muslim terrorists in a “two state solution” where Arabs live with Jews on one side but no Jews are allowed on the side with Arabs. That “two-state solution” where they stab innocent Jews and run over them with their cars on a daily basis? The one where they give up land to terrorists and make Israel only 6-9 miles wide in the middle? Is that reasonable?
If you think this is acceptable, then you nothing more than a mindless fanatic (exactly like the old Obama supporters) of a celebrity and politician you really don't know. People who think this is acceptable are living in a wishful fantasy because it's too difficult to look at reality because it's too hard and hurts too much.
No no no! Give him more time! Let's see what happens! He just needs more time! Maybe like 100 days or maybe a year or two! That's what they said about the phony Netanyahu who just threw about 800 Jews out of their homes for being Jewish. Congratulations. You are susceptible to brainwashing. Maybe you should stick your head in the sand a little deeper and chant "Trump will be okay... Trump will be okay... the only reason JTF brings up articles and facts about Trump is they embrace hate... Trump will be okay." Let's see how that works out for you.
Seems like the Trump fanatics need their own “safe space” where they don't have to deal with facts and real life and they can pretend Trump will kick out all the Muslims.
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Oh look... wow... big surprise... Trump stabs Israel in the back again and supports Muslims in the news again TODAY:
Trump: Settlement Construction Unhelpful to “Peace”, Israel Should Act “Reasonably”
http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.770971
A few days before his meeting with Netanyahu, Trump doubles back on positions that sparked optimism among Israel's settlers; interview published in Sheldon Adelson-owned paper day after Trump met casino magnate.
Reasonably? You mean make deals with Arab Muslim terrorists in a “two state solution” where Arabs live with Jews on one side but no Jews are allowed on the side with Arabs. That “two-state solution” where they stab innocent Jews and run over them with their cars on a daily basis? The one where they give up land to terrorists and make Israel only 6-9 miles wide in the middle? Is that reasonable?
If you think this is acceptable, then you nothing more than a mindless fanatic (exactly like the old Obama supporters) of a celebrity and politician you really don't know. People who think this is acceptable are living in a wishful fantasy because it's too difficult to look at reality because it's too hard and hurts too much.
No no no! Give him more time! Let's see what happens! He just needs more time! Maybe like 100 days or maybe a year or two! That's what they said about the phony Netanyahu who just threw about 800 Jews out of their homes for being Jewish. Congratulations. You are susceptible to brainwashing. Maybe you should stick your head in the sand a little deeper and chant "Trump will be okay... Trump will be okay... the only reason JTF brings up articles and facts about Trump is they embrace hate... Trump will be okay." Let's see how that works out for you.
Seems like the Trump fanatics need their own “safe space” where they don't have to deal with facts and real life and they can pretend Trump will kick out all the Muslims.
While I don't consider myself a Trump fanatic. I would take a safe space. A nice spot of sand to stick my head in. Because I most certainly deal with facts and real life. I have no chance of sticking my head in the ground. I have to worry about the future for someone else. If someone expects Trump to kick out all Muslims. Save Israel from themselves. Or be their Messiah...orange or not. God help them. Even Ted Cruz couldn't, and probably, wouldn't have been able to do some or all of the things he campaigned on. But I would really need a safe space if Clinton were president and or if I had to align myself with her supporters.
If that makes me a mindless fanatic. So be it. What is the alternative?
I am very sorry for what is happening to the people in Israel. I pray for them.
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Poppy, that was not directed at you.
I'm trying to get through to people that if Trump really did start helping out Israel and doing what he said, we would change our stance and support him. I'm serious. The only reason we do not support Trump is because of terrible things he is doing - especially when it comes to Israel. That's it.
So when people start making claims that we just hate Trump for no reason and we are worse than CNN (come on), it's maddening. Do you know how many hours every single day I comb through the news? There are some sites that will not even mention if Trump does something terrible (like Brietbart). These are so biased that you can't really get to the truth. They are usually somehow part of the Trump campaign. There are other sites that viciously hate Trump... but for the OPPOSITE reasons we do. They usually revolve around "Trump is a racist who just hates Muslims". That's not reliable either. People have no idea how difficult it is to parse through it all to find out what's really going on.
We make the best news site for people that care for Israel and Hashem and people don't even care or bother to read it before making wild claims that we are just Trump haters without reason. Instead they make idiotic posts like Lubab did. This isn't some popularity contest. I'm doing what I can to get the word out of what's going on while a few people on the forum stick their fingers in their ears and say "I can't hear you. I can't hear you. I can't hear you. Hillary was worse." which doesn't help in any way at all.
Right now Trump is doing to Israel exactly what Obama did to Israel. That's a fact, not an opinion. When people argue, it's like talking to a mental patient.
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I don't hate Ted Cruz. I lack respect for him. There is a difference. He may be intellectual and a constitutionalist. He may have been Israels best ally. But he didn't have enough fight in him. And when he lost he caved to Trump in stages. And why? Because he sees that Trump has good policies. He had an ephiphany. Or is it his way to keep relevent? Another pandering politician.
Listen, I know I am at odds with JTF. But how can Cruz stiill be lamented as a lost opportunity?
And Israel Chai, if my intellect is not worth engaging. Don't. You want me to give you my side of the story in facts, articles and pretty pictures. Easy enough to do today. Obviously you can find supporting 'facts' for any position. I inform myself and follow my instincts. Maybe emotionality comes into it. But the 'gut' feeling is never wrong. Unless you don't listen to it.
So, don't bother coming back to tell me I am of low intellect. You might upset my air crown. I need it for when I am saving lives.
I respect JTFs opinion of Trump. I disagree. And I have that right.
Didn't say you hate him, don't care if you do is what I said. I agree not enough fight, I agree he caved, but if he hadn't, Trump's bills would be more leftist. Cruz has been pushing Trump to the right. No, it is not his way to stay relevant. He has other options. Why do you assume he would not be relevant if he didn't support Trump?
Who is he pandering to?
Cruz was a lost opportunity. He was actually conservative, Trump's conservative ideas are a shade of his ideas. Now that he's not president, we deal with what we have.
"And Israel Chai, if my intellect is not worth engaging. Don't. "
I learn from the dog walker and the billionaire that pays him. If you make general insults, there is no discussion or learning, just tit for tad.
"But the 'gut' feeling is never wrong"
Your heart changes five times a minute, rely on your mind, that is a shaky base. Intuition is something else, just so I don't confuse anyone with this, always listen to the first voice of intuition you have.
I didn't say you are of low intellect.
I'm not really in the habit of respecting things I disagree with, but I'm happy to debate them.
Two questions. 1. Would you respect Cruz more if he was still fighting Trump? 2. Do you appreciate the work he's done since the election?