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Title: The 2 Messiahs of Judaism; also healthy food that can save your life (JTF video)
Post by: Chaim Ben Pesach on February 12, 2025, 05:28:11 PM
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Title: Re: The 2 Messiahs of Judaism; also healthy food that can save your life (JTF video)
Post by: Dan Ben Noah on February 12, 2025, 09:01:06 PM
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Back in the dark ages, so-called "experts" thought Camel cigarettes were healthy, and they also thought camel jockeys belong in the Holy Land.  But ever since the advent of Rabbi Kahane, people have gradually become more enlightened.
Title: Re: The 2 Messiahs of Judaism; also healthy food that can save your life (JTF video)
Post by: Dovid_2 on February 12, 2025, 10:59:13 PM
Alcohol for a mitzvah, like drinking wine on Shabbat is fine.

Otherwise, your views are spot on.
Title: Re: The 2 Messiahs of Judaism; also healthy food that can save your life (JTF video)
Post by: angryChineseKahanist on February 13, 2025, 04:49:06 PM
Or when in doubt, just don't eat it.  In general, eating less is still better.
Title: Re: The 2 Messiahs of Judaism; also healthy food that can save your life (JTF video)
Post by: Hrvatski Noahid on February 13, 2025, 08:46:15 PM
Promoted on Telegram and Reddit.

The Sages taught that a man's semen is the strength of his body, his body's life-force, and light of his eyes, and if a man habitually ejaculates overly much, his body and his physical power are weakened, and his life span is shortened. This even includes a man who makes it his habit to engage overindulgently in permitted sexual relations, beyond his expected conjugal duties to his wife - his old age advances upon him prematurely, his strength is weakened, his eyesight diminishes, his mouth and his armpits emit foul odors, and his hair falls out, to name a few of the resulting physical problems and malfunctions that the Sages warned of. With this loss of strength, various pains and medical susceptibilities will come upon him. The wise doctors of earlier generations said that one man in a thousand dies from unrelated illnesses, and the rest die from physical problems that develop from their excessive sexual relations (and masturbation).
Title: Re: The 2 Messiahs of Judaism; also healthy food that can save your life (JTF video)
Post by: Dovid_2 on February 14, 2025, 11:19:32 AM
The Sages taught that a man's semen is the strength of his body, his body's life-force, and light of his eyes, and if a man habitually ejaculates overly much, his body and his physical power are weakened, and his life span is shortened.
The sages were referring to a spiritual death.  A man who is forever engaged in sexual acts is visually blinded and cannot perceive the shechinah.
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This even includes a man who makes it his habit to engage overindulgently in permitted sexual relations, beyond his expected conjugal duties to his wife - his old age advances upon him prematurely, his strength is weakened, his eyesight diminishes, his mouth and his armpits emit foul odors, and his hair falls out, to name a few of the resulting physical problems and malfunctions that the Sages warned of. With this loss of strength, various pains and medical susceptibilities will come upon him. The wise doctors of earlier generations said that one man in a thousand dies from unrelated illnesses, and the rest die from physical problems that develop from their excessive sexual relations (and masturbation).
The sages used this analogy to discourage too much sexual activity, as you state, forbidden or permitted.  The Book of Jubilees even states that sex is forbidden on the Sabbath because it is considered "work", but that's an incorrect interpretation, as it is not work, but perhaps the author too was trying to discourage it for the same reason, and said book is not included in the apocrypha.

According to the son-in-law of Don Astruc Des Gabbai, one of the wise old men from the students of the yeshivah of Rabbenu Meshulam, circumcision is an important step to curbing masturbation.  Whether this helps if the procedure is done at a later age is questionable, but there's no doubt that it is not a myth that the unwashed uncircumcised masses are obsessed with sex (Russia, for example), and not to mention alcohol (also Russia).

The physical ailments resulting from too much sex don't apply today.  According to said Rabbi, he only described a hollowing out of ones fat reserves from too much sex.  Today, this does not apply because of the abundance of food.  Heterosexual sex (the ordinary kind, not the kind that causes aids) does not effect ones physical health in modern affluent societies where there is a lot of food.  To the contrary, sex is physically healthy but spiritually destructive.
Title: Re: The 2 Messiahs of Judaism; also healthy food that can save your life (JTF video)
Post by: Hrvatski Noahid on February 15, 2025, 03:17:49 PM
The physical ailments resulting from too much sex don't apply today.

There is nothing in Rabbi Weiner's quote suggesting the physical problems don't apply today. Its inclusion in the main codification of Noahide law gives it eternal validity.
Title: Re: The 2 Messiahs of Judaism; also healthy food that can save your life (JTF video)
Post by: Dovid_2 on February 15, 2025, 08:18:24 PM
There is nothing in Rabbi Weiner's quote suggesting the physical problems don't apply today. Its inclusion in the main codification of Noahide law gives it eternal validity.
Codification of Jewish law is a complicated matter and doesn't ever give anything "eternal validity"...  I suggest you do some research on the science of the codification in Jewish law before making such statements.  I highly recommend E. Fram's recent "Codification Of Jewish Law On The Cusp Of Modernity".

No, the physical problems do not apply.  Any doctor will tell you this.  This is not up for debate, end of discussion.
Title: Re: The 2 Messiahs of Judaism; also healthy food that can save your life (JTF video)
Post by: Hrvatski Noahid on February 15, 2025, 08:49:23 PM
Codification of Jewish law is a complicated matter and doesn't ever give anything "eternal validity"...  I suggest you do some research on the science of the codification in Jewish law before making such statements.  I highly recommend E. Fram's recent "Codification Of Jewish Law On The Cusp Of Modernity".

No, the physical problems do not apply.  Any doctor will tell you this.  This is not up for debate, end of discussion.

I mentioned Noahide law. After Mount Sinai, it is impossible to add, subtract or change any of the Noahide commandments forever.

The health benefits of semen retention are widely known: https://www.youtube.com/@SemenRetentionClub/featured
Title: Re: The 2 Messiahs of Judaism; also healthy food that can save your life (JTF video)
Post by: Dovid_2 on February 15, 2025, 10:39:07 PM
I mentioned Noahide law. After Mount Sinai, it is impossible to add, subtract or change any of the Noahide commandments forever.
You're aware that Rabbi Weiner must be deriving his conclusions from Rabbi Caro or Rabbi Isserles, yes (or perhaps Maimonidies)?

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The health benefits of semen retention are widely known: https://www.youtube.com/@SemenRetentionClub/featured
Sex is healthy for the body, the aforementioned Rabbi knew this in the 13th century, and even allows sex "for the body's physical health" when it is not done specifically to produce offspring.  What you do with your semen is not my concern and quite frankly does not interest me.
Title: Re: The 2 Messiahs of Judaism; also healthy food that can save your life (JTF video)
Post by: Hrvatski Noahid on February 15, 2025, 10:53:20 PM
You're aware that Rabbi Weiner must be deriving his conclusions from Rabbi Caro or Rabbi Isserles, yes (or perhaps Maimonidies)?
Sex is healthy for the body, the aforementioned Rabbi knew this in the 13th century, and even allows sex "for the body's physical health" when it is not done specifically to produce offspring.  What you do with your semen is not my concern and quite frankly does not interest me.

Rabbi Weiner extensively researched and cited the broad spectrum of Rabbinical sources. The bibliography for The Divine Code is available here: https://asknoah.org/wp-content/uploads/the-divine-code-bibliography.pdf

Sex might be healthy for a Jewish body. It is not healthy for a Gentile man.
Title: Re: The 2 Messiahs of Judaism; also healthy food that can save your life (JTF video)
Post by: Dovid_2 on February 15, 2025, 11:11:35 PM
Rabbi Weiner extensively researched and cited the broad spectrum of Rabbinical sources. The bibliography for The Divine Code is available here: https://asknoah.org/wp-content/uploads/the-divine-code-bibliography.pdf
Absent is his methodology for reaching a conclusion when the sources contradict each other -- but I won't get into that with you because such study has scholastic prerequisites which I have no doubt you lack.
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Sex might be healthy for a Jewish body. It is not healthy for a Gentile man.
The Jewish body and the Gentile body are indistinguishable.  The science of medicine applies equitably to both.

Back to what I originally stated -- when the sages stated those effects, they were effecting an allegory, which is something they did quite often in the Talmud...  I'm not going to get into it with you now, and I won't recommend any books on that matter because I think the language barrier in comprehending the material would be far too much for you.

But you go on holding up Rabbi Weiner's work as a bastion of light for the world -- just don't try to create your own 'new' ten commandments for the Jews.
Title: Re: The 2 Messiahs of Judaism; also healthy food that can save your life (JTF video)
Post by: Hrvatski Noahid on February 15, 2025, 11:27:16 PM
Absent is his methodology for reaching a conclusion when the sources contradict each other -- but I won't get into that with you because such study has scholastic prerequisites which I have no doubt you lack.The Jewish body and the Gentile body are indistinguishable.  The science of medicine applies equitably to both.

Back to what I originally stated -- when the sages stated those effects, they were effecting an allegory, which is something they did quite often in the Talmud...  I'm not going to get into it with you now, and I won't recommend any books on that matter because I think the language barrier in comprehending the material would be far too much for you.

But you go on holding up Rabbi Weiner's work as a bastion of light for the world -- just don't try to create your own 'new' ten commandments for the Jews.

In the few cases where a majority of the other Rishon authorities and the Shulhan Aruh all differ from Rambam, Rabbi Weiner decided the Torah Law according to their teachings, and not according to the opinion of Rambam.

There are differences between a Jewish body and a Gentile body, and between a Jewish soul and a Gentile soul.

I didn't ask for any recommendations. I have all the sources I need to live as an observant Noahide. 
Title: Re: The 2 Messiahs of Judaism; also healthy food that can save your life (JTF video)
Post by: Dovid_2 on February 15, 2025, 11:38:07 PM
In the few cases where a majority of the other Rishon authorities and the Shulhan Aruh all differ from Rambam, Rabbi Weiner decided the Torah Law according to their teachings, and not according to the opinion of Rambam.
"According to their teachings" is meaningless and you are wasting everyone's time here with nonsensical non-answers like that.  Please go educate yourself on the codification of Jewish law before pretending to assert yourself strongly on topics that you know nothing about.
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There are differences between a Jewish body and a Gentile body, and between a Jewish soul and a Gentile soul.
There are not differences between a Jewish and Gentile body.  All human bodies from the species Homo Sapiens var Sapiens are essentially the same.  They do not teach different types of medicine for Jews and Gentiles.  This is a stupid assertion and you are making a fool out of yourself for claiming it.
Title: Re: The 2 Messiahs of Judaism; also healthy food that can save your life (JTF video)
Post by: Hrvatski Noahid on February 15, 2025, 11:55:27 PM
"According to their teachings" is meaningless and you are wasting everyone's time here with nonsensical non-answers like that.  Please go educate yourself on the codification of Jewish law before pretending to assert yourself strongly on topics that you know nothing about.There are not differences between a Jewish and Gentile body.  All human bodies from the species Homo Sapiens var Sapiens are essentially the same.  They do not teach different types of medicine for Jews and Gentiles.  This is a stupid assertion and you are making a fool out of yourself for claiming it.

It's not meaningless. A specific example: by explaining the words of the Talmud in a completely spiritual context, Maimonides was bringing support for his opinion that the ultimate World to Come will be entirely spiritual, and that the righteous who merit it will exist there only as purified souls with no physical bodies, after a temporary period of physical resurrection. However, other Rishonim sages – including Nachmanides (see Sha'ar HaGmul) and Ra'avad (see his commentary on Mishneh Torah) – as well as the Chassidic masters, strongly disagreed and maintained that in the ultimate World to Come, the Essence of God will be revealed eternally to the righteous while they exist as souls living in their resurrected physical bodies, in the physical world.

Dr. Schulman claims there are differences between a Jewish and Gentile body. He is far more intelligent than you.   
Title: Re: The 2 Messiahs of Judaism; also healthy food that can save your life (JTF video)
Post by: Dovid_2 on February 16, 2025, 12:18:04 AM
It's not meaningless. A specific example: by explaining the words of the Talmud in a completely spiritual context, Maimonides was bringing support for his opinion that the ultimate World to Come will be entirely spiritual, and that the righteous who merit it will exist there only as purified souls with no physical bodies, after a temporary period of physical resurrection. However, other Rishonim sages – including Nachmanides (see Sha'ar HaGmul) and Ra'avad (see his commentary on Mishneh Torah) – as well as the Chassidic masters, strongly disagreed and maintained that in the ultimate World to Come, the Essence of God will be revealed eternally to the righteous while they exist as souls living in their resurrected physical bodies, in the physical world.
That's all very nice, but has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
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Dr. Schulman claims there are differences between a Jewish and Gentile body. He is far more intelligent than you.
Eh, yea...  I think I will abide by the fundamental principles of biology and pay zero credence to the claims made here by an uncircumcised Croatian "Rabbi".
Title: Re: The 2 Messiahs of Judaism; also healthy food that can save your life (JTF video)
Post by: Hrvatski Noahid on February 16, 2025, 12:23:01 AM
That's all very nice, but has nothing to do with the topic at hand.Eh, yea...  I think I will abide by the fundamental principles of biology and pay zero credence to the claims made here by an uncircumcised Croatian "Rabbi".

I am a Torah scholar, not a Rabbi.

Your way of doing things doesn't change: a) you start some [censored], b) I smack you back, c) Chaim sides with me and d) you run away like a coward for a year.

Title: Re: The 2 Messiahs of Judaism; also healthy food that can save your life (JTF video)
Post by: Nachus on February 18, 2025, 10:49:01 PM
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