He's a hero not a "bastard" like you describe him. Watch you language.
No disrespect Tzvi but your hypocracy is second to none.
Yigal killed a fellow Jew. Thats agaist G-d's will.....and you have the nerve for crtiticizing someone for eating pork ? You talk about G-d's will and how much we should follow the Mitzvot and you seem to be encouraging us to do the complete opposite.
It appears that someone's Kosherness is more important than the life of a fellow Jew.... Sad stuff.
Rabin was no saint but we don't dispose of our own leaders by killing them. At the end of the day - HE WAS ELECTED
What are you talking about? There are many examples of heros in Jewish History of Jews killing other un/non-Jewish Jews. In 167 BCE, after Antiochus issued decrees in Judea forbidding Jewish religious practice, a rural Jewish priest from Modiin, Mattathias the Hasmonean, sparked the revolt against the Seleucid empire by refusing to worship the Greek gods. Mattathias slew a Hellenistic Jew (like Rabin, Perez, Chomsky, Marx, Olmert, Beilin etc.) who stepped forward to offer a sacrifice to an idol in Mattathias' place. He and his five sons fled to the wilderness of Judea. After Mattathias' death about one year later, his son Yahuda haMaccabee led an army of Jewish dissidents to victory over the Seleucid dynasty's Hellenized occupation. Pharisees Jews, like Yahuda haMaccabee killed many Greek/Hellenized Sadducees during this revolt/civil war... no?
So qq, you like SBT. I like him as well, although I do not agree with everything he places forward. Do you agree that Yigal Amir murdered Yitzak Rabin and disserves the death penalty, or do you believe that, (now polls are showing over 50% have their suspicians re: Government corruption) what Amir did was akin to a real Jew acting against an anti-Jew in trying to stop this awarding the murders of Jews with another Bolistinian State in the heartland of Biblica Judea?
I simply don't know. SBT seems to disregard any and all information that lessens the degree of what happened for Yigal Amir.......
I am convinced, as Barry Chamish , and I think Natan Gefen too, have shown, that Yigal Amir DID NOT kill Yitzchak Rabin. Israeli Intelligence was behind the people that shot him, he was shot after he got or was pushed into the car.
Even if he had killed him, and leaving aside the moral and halachic issues of doing so. It didn`t help, it led to shimon peres being elected next prime minister. He did not stop anything.
We know little of yigal amir`s motives. Do not assume he was even some great jew following what he thought was Halacha. From what I understand, he had a background in intelligence himself, he was a trainee lawyer. Do not think he did not know what was going on, I think it is very likely that he was in on the plan to frame the right. I recall reading in Chamish`s book, a written source showing that he actually described a whole conspiracy shortly after being arrested, or maybe under interrogation. But later he went quiet about that.
And I think it likely that the source I mentioned, that police records say he was a pedophile , is accurate. He was ideal for israeli intelligence to use since he could be blackmailed.
And even if he we pretend that he thought he was following halacha, then considering what he did, you have to be absolutely sure what he did was halachically correct. I am not even close to sure.
And shooting prime ministers sets a bad precedent.
I am interested in where you read about the maccabees - to apply it here? I know they are not mentioned in kahane audio or video currently available online. You could be right about militarily removing evil.. It is an interesting example.. I asked a rabbi about it, and he said see story about pinchas and zimri, it is similar. He wasn`t that clear, but when I said "I thought it needed a temple and sanhedrin and witnesses and the guy to agree, .. " before you can do the death penalty. He said this is a serious sin, leading the people to idolatry. I didn`t get a halachic source for it though. That`d be the important thing!
THe maccabees are quite deep into the bible, if there at all, they may even be only apocryphal
Maccabees 1 and 2 <-- apocryphal i think - prob not allowed to read it.
midrash chanukah
Megillat antiochus
I have not read any of them. I doubt most jews have.
And I have never really been that into history.. I`ll get to it eventually!
I`d like to know what neturei karta would make of that. They think we have to be subservient to the nations.
I asked a rabbi about moses killing the egyptian - how that was halachic if the halacha is somebody coming to kill you kill him first. He said there is a tradition that the egyptian was beating the hebrew to death, and the halacha is if somebody is coming to kill anybody(just a fellow jew?), then kill him first. A knowledgeable jew agreed, and said "We are all responsible for one another, I am my brother`s keeper" . He also said, that even if the egyptian was not going to kill the hebrew, moses would`ve been right to strike - not necessarily kill - but strike, the egyptian, because we do not gamble with each others lives.
SBT is very intellectual and interesting, but when I started listening to israel national radio, he left, then DBA came, I stayed listening, then he left, and I mostly stopped listening. Apart from the odd interview tamar yonah does. You can discover interesting people just from googling the name of the interviewee sometimes. Though I haven`t done that in a along while
The pinchas and zimri thing, and maccabees are things I only really now ran into/ thought about, since your post. I haven`t got any answers on them yet. I`m glad you brought it up..
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