Real reason why JTF opposes non-Whites

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Yes, most Jews support third world immigration. It has cultural and religious roots. Althrough it is crazy.

I don't think this is the case as much as we all hear. Most of the "Jews" who are on the far left today are not even halachically Jewish. They are the mixed children of Jewish-Gentile intermarriages, where both parents are far-left and have brainwashed their kids, are Deformed "converts" that are not halachically Jewish at all, or are left-wing Gentiles who have some Jewish ancestry way far back and think it is cool to claim Jewishness now.

This type of people are nearly all non religious. It is the movement Moses Mendelssohn has started.

But the question is, why this people are so attrackted to progressive-Judaism.

It is a misconception that Moses Mendelssohn "started" reform Judaism.   Many people have distorted a few of his statements, and even the real, actual founders of reform Judaism tried to claim him as a legacy or as following in his tradition, but it simply is not true.  Mendelssohn was a "frum" Jew (meaning, Orthodox, mitzvah observant Jew).

[Ulli]

Yes, most Jews support third world immigration. It has cultural and religious roots. Althrough it is crazy.

I don't think this is the case as much as we all hear. Most of the "Jews" who are on the far left today are not even halachically Jewish. They are the mixed children of Jewish-Gentile intermarriages, where both parents are far-left and have brainwashed their kids, are Deformed "converts" that are not halachically Jewish at all, or are left-wing Gentiles who have some Jewish ancestry way far back and think it is cool to claim Jewishness now.

This type of people are nearly all non religious. It is the movement Moses Mendelssohn has started.

But the question is, why this people are so attrackted to progressive-Judaism.

It is a misconception that Moses Mendelssohn "started" reform Judaism.   Many people have distorted a few of his statements, and even the real, actual founders of reform Judaism tried to claim him as a legacy or as following in his tradition, but it simply is not true.  Mendelssohn was a "frum" Jew (meaning, Orthodox, mitzvah observant Jew).

You mean reform Judaism developed over the years?

[cjd]

Yes, most Jews support third world immigration. It has cultural and religious roots. Althrough it is crazy.

I don't think this is the case as much as we all hear. Most of the "Jews" who are on the far left today are not even halachically Jewish. They are the mixed children of Jewish-Gentile intermarriages, where both parents are far-left and have brainwashed their kids, are Deformed "converts" that are not halachically Jewish at all, or are left-wing Gentiles who have some Jewish ancestry way far back and think it is cool to claim Jewishness now.

Whatever the case we should not allow animals like marvin to come into our forum and cause us to break ranks with Jews that may be of a more liberal bend then what the standard is here on our forum.  It might be good to discuss issues like that for productive purposes but that's not what marvin had in mind. I just don't want to see creatures like him get the satisfaction with his divide and conquer tactics. This is what this animal was after when he came here. The filthy troll kept repeating the same talking points that were really comical when you think about how much of a joke his hero Ron Paul really is. I gave up on the thread when he kept on insisting Jews are non white. I am glad that Lisa finally blew him out the door. He really was a waist of time debating with.

[Ulli]

DWI I have thought about it. I think the core of the problem is the relation of the congregation to the society and the gouvernment. Is she willing to assimilate or is she willing to stand to her own constitution.

The indicators are not the special values and political position the congregation takes a stand of. Obviously this is changing depending from the spirit of the time.

It is about if the congregation is willing to live up to their own spirit that she obviously has and it is written in her own constitution even it is not popular.

I think Mendelssohn made there a decision. Jews and non Jews lived in his time very frum. Modesty and piety was understood.

So his followers could put the spirit of time and their place in society without too much pain higher than their naturally own.

Later than the values of society changed and so they changed too.

I have seen the same developement in the para-statal churches of Germany.

In the Hitler time the majority preached pleasant to the regime. In the DDR they preached pleasant to the regime. In newer days they preached and are preaching for leftist values, social justice and multiculturalism. They would even preach JTF like if we would have (what is nearly impossible) a sane gouvernment. I would laugh this day loud.

This way is the most easy way to disappear spiritually.

[Ulli]

Yes, most Jews support third world immigration. It has cultural and religious roots. Althrough it is crazy.

I don't think this is the case as much as we all hear. Most of the "Jews" who are on the far left today are not even halachically Jewish. They are the mixed children of Jewish-Gentile intermarriages, where both parents are far-left and have brainwashed their kids, are Deformed "converts" that are not halachically Jewish at all, or are left-wing Gentiles who have some Jewish ancestry way far back and think it is cool to claim Jewishness now.

Whatever the case we should not allow animals like marvin to come into our forum and cause us to break ranks with Jews that may be of a more liberal bend then what the standard is here on our forum.  It might be good to discuss issues like that for productive purposes but that's not what marvin had in mind. I just don't want to see creatures like him get the satisfaction with his divide and conquer tactics. This is what this animal was after when he came here. The filthy troll kept repeating the same talking points that were really comical when you think about how much of a joke his hero Ron Paul really is. I gave up on the thread when he kept on insisting Jews are non white. I am glad that Lisa finally blew him out the door. He really was a waist of time debating with.

I don't break ranks. I really don't like the worldview of most American Jews. But althrough of this, I wish them not bad and I will always stay a supporter of the Jewish state and Chaim.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

This type of people are nearly all non religious. It is the movement Moses Mendelssohn has started.

But the question is, why this people are so attrackted to progressive-Judaism.

It is a misconception that Moses Mendelssohn "started" reform Judaism.   Many people have distorted a few of his statements, and even the real, actual founders of reform Judaism tried to claim him as a legacy or as following in his tradition, but it simply is not true.  Mendelssohn was a "frum" Jew (meaning, Orthodox, mitzvah observant Jew).

You mean reform Judaism developed over the years?

Well this is also true, but what I meant was that Moses Mendelsohnn himself had nothing to do with "reform Judaism," (it began after his time), and he was an Orthodox Jew himself.   He had certain rational tendencies that the creators of reform Judaism sought to attach themselves to so that they would be viewed as if operating under the mantle of Mendelsohn's worldview and his theology (to give them more legitimacy, because Mendelsohn was universally recognized as a brilliant thinker), but they were not being completely honest in claiming him as their heroic figure.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

I don't break ranks. I really don't like the worldview of most American Jews. But althrough of this, I wish them not bad and I will always stay a supporter of the Jewish state and Chaim.

I agree with you (although some of these American Jews are not technically Jewish), but I will add that I don't like the worldview of most American Christians either--even the so-called right-wing evangelicals. Just look at Huckabee and what he embodies, for instance.

I know full well that most German "Christians" are the same way.

[Ulli]

I don't break ranks. I really don't like the worldview of most American Jews. But althrough of this, I wish them not bad and I will always stay a supporter of the Jewish state and Chaim.

I agree with you (although some of these American Jews are not technically Jewish), but I will add that I don't like the worldview of most American Christians either--even the so-called right-wing evangelicals. Just look at Huckabee and what he embodies, for instance.

I know full well that most German "Christians" are the same way.

Indeed, they are.

[mord]

Many American Jews are like richard silverstein  and a guy called mondoweiss put the name mondoweiss in your browser and you will see a ccommunist

[AsheDina]

If I may chip in on this...........

How is Ron Paul good for the US? He sympathizes with terrorist nations. And being against Israel is bad for the U.S.

Ron Paul does not sympathize with terrorist nations. He just doesn't advocate nation building, I agree with him. American lives are far too precious to be used to fight for a Muslim (Iraq, Afghanistan, etc) country. This is insane, treasonous, and absolutely disgusting. Ron Paul would have helped Israel by cutting off our blackmail to Israel (military aid). If this were done, the Israelis can finally reach some kind of deal with the Arabs and not be ordered around by lobbyists here in the U.S.

Pollard was great for AMerica. He wanted to get rid of Moslem terrorists...again, good for the U.S.

Pollard committed treason, he is no hero. He is not even remotely a Jewish nationalist, or anything of the sort. Before trying to give highly classified secrets to Israel, he tried to sell those same secrets to Pakistan! You need to be properly informed.

Jews were the backbone for egalitarianism and Marxism in America. They were the driving force for the third world immigration law. They hate the White race and at the same time thought they'd be safe in a multi-cultural nation. This is why they assisted the Muslims when they invaded Spain. JTF now opposes non-Whites because they understand non-Whites would never tolerate them.

I agree with most of this. Unfortunately, among secular Jews there exists too much self interest. Einstein was a vehement pacifist during World War 1 when Jewish interests were not involved, during World War 2 he advocated building nuclear bombs against Germans. This kind of self interest is bad for America. But let's remember, the problem is LEFTIST JEWS. They are responsible for Marxism, Socialism, Feminism, all kinds of horrors. Unfortunately, most American Jews are leftists who push this ideology. The Jewish community needs to do more with policing their own.

Having said that, I know many Orthodox Jews and have even marched hand in hand with Orthodox Jews during pro-life marches in Washington. This is where I think inter-faith dialogue is crucial. We don't have to agree on anything religiously (because we won't) but for these kinds of issues, if we can work together it's a great thing.

Ron Paul, is a Moslem loving scum bag.

[AsheDina]

Why dont you go pull the plank out of your OWN eye, and your OWN religion.
We already condemn leftist Jews WITHOUT YOUR assistance.

Tell us ALL about the Catholic ....nevermind.... the REAL GOOD Catholics here expose it themselves.

You are a nazi troll.  Ruby was right, you people are getting EASIER to spot, does not even take 11 posts. LOL

[SavetheWest]

Marvin is obviously an anti Semite to the core.  He thinks that Jewish people genetically and historically sneak around to screw over other people.  This is classic anti Semitism at its worse.

Marvin,
Don't tell me that any group goes around for the benefit of other groups.  Every country, people, and nation has looked after it's own interests and when those interests have coincided, those people work together.  That includes whites, who for instance in Poland or Slovakia needed Jews to help them build castles or expand their economies.  Jews have always been immersed in education, G-d and family so they have been successful throughout history.  JTF has friends from around the world who have a common goal.  Friends look out for each other and many Jews have fought and died for their friends in the past.  Also, because Jews have followed the Bible, they want good to prevail.  Many Jews (and Catholics, Protestants and whites) fought for blacks because they felt they were being oppressed. Now many Jews realize the problems with black culture and society.  Also, Jews (when allowed to) have immersed themselves and been involved with the societies they have lived in.  They have been on the left and the right but have always wanted to get involved and participate.  When Jews are involved, people like you think they are taking over.  When they don't get involved they are up to some secret plan according to people liken you.  
You're an idiot Marvin.  Of course the Jewish Task Force cares about the Jewish people.  JTF also cares about conservative values that are based on the bible.  Most blacks and many hispanics are not only anti semitic but they also hate America.  Would you rather have JTF embrace people who are promiscuous, corrupt and violent? Isn't it good when someone shares your values even if you may not come from the same place?  I don't know if the Jews "invited" the Moors into Europe but the Spanish weren't exactly welcoming guests to the Jews before this happened.  Queen Isabella ordered that all non Christians be killed, tortured and converted or cast out of Spain. Why should Jews, (if any of this is true)be loyal to a government that killed and tortured them in the most horrific ways?

[Ulli]

JTF is deceptive. They say they are pro-White and that they try to save Western civilization but the evidence indicates they aren't.

JTF is not deceptive. Here are people who understand, that the USA is a successfull story and that it is the nation with the best relations between Jews and white Christians. Never was such a place for Jews in the exile.

On the other hand almost all blacks and Muslims have be prooven, that they are anti-semites. No matter what Jews did good to them.

So JTF has sanity and reason. Unfornatually JTF minded people are a small minority in all countries outside Israel.

They support the release of Pollard, they opposed Ron Paul, ...

Ron Paul is a true traitor. I.e. he excuses the Muslims for the worst terrorist attack on US-citizens and blaims the US gouvernment for it. I have seen it myself on Youtube. I am shure he at least like what they are doing.

On the other hand Pollard only passed some information to an allied nation. This didn't justify this long prison sentence. The US have told the Israelis, that the information will be shared with Israel before. But they broke their promise. So Pollard took it.

... and they insult most White nations, even ones that had no role in the Holocaust like Russia, France, Ukraine, etc.

Concerning the nations that took part in the holocaust. What do you expect?

They say they want an end to foreign aid to Israel but always support candidates that support foreign aid to Israel.

JTF support the best possible canidate. There is simply no 100 % match.

[Hyades]

Well where was the change?  JTF never went from supporting leftist causes to supporting conservative ones, we were always conservative.  And the Muslims who invaded Spain actually were anti-Semites, and we oppose all anti-Semites.  It's not based on color for us, it's based on morals.  We don't select who we back and who we oppose based on color.

If you always were conservative it's because you always knew non-White immigration was bad for Jews. There is no way JTF would ever oppose non-Whites if they weren't anti-Semitic and you wouldn't mind flooding the West with non-Whites who are hostile to the nations they immigrate to. Historically, the Jews had good relations with Muslims and they still would if it weren't for the Arab/Israeli conflict. They supported the Moors and the Ottomans and had high administrative positions in their empires.

What exactly is your point? That the main station of Mumbai is crowded with people whhile it is raining in New York City? 
Really, you should see the Nazis who allied themselves with Muslims which they saw as scum and subhumans only because Muslims were Jew haters. As soon as Nazis get from Muslims what they want (e.g. genocide of Jews), they will kick the Muslims bottoms and do the same to them. Just as the Muslims themselves do it with Nazis.
This is what we call the "useful idiot" in Germany: The one who is abused to fullfill another one's goal and if done so, he gets kicked himself!

[Geert Akbar]

I just banned that nazi pig Marvin.  

*victory march*

[Confederate Kahanist]

Good bye Starvin Marvin

[Confederate Kahanist]

Good bye Starvin Marvin