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Re: Israel will never strike Iran
« Reply #25 on: August 11, 2009, 06:12:45 PM »
Henry Ebelwas a supposed psychiatrist whe despised Jews and Germans and saw them both similar in their ways and mental illness  


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You fool, I chose this name at random.

I seriously doubt that... What are the odds of a random name happening to be a real self-hating jew? Hmmmm!?!
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Re: Israel will never strike Iran
« Reply #26 on: August 11, 2009, 06:13:14 PM »
You are either a Muslim or an anti-Semite. Israel could have beaten the Hezballah terrorist cowards in one day if not for traitor Israeli leaders worrying more about Muslim Nazi "civilians" than about Jewish soldiers and Jewish civilians.

Hahaha you can't handle the truth so accuse me of being a Muslim or anti-Semite. Anyone who disagrees with you is a "Nazi." You're pathetic. Before you ban me because you're a coward that can't win this debate, just answer this: Why did Israel not ask for America's permission to attack Osirak but now they pretend America is holding them back?

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Israel did indeed win in 6 days in 1967, and today Israel is much stronger.

Again, 42 years ago. Just three years ago they lost to Iran's para-military force in Lebanon.

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You are like all of the idiots who said before the 1991 Persian Gulf war that Iraq has the "fourth largest and most powerful army in the world". It took the U.S. military just 4 days to defeat the Iraqis.

I never said Iran is stronger than Israel. Israel isn't willing to sustain as many casualties as Iran is and therefore they refuse to attack their nuclear factories. Just watch Iran get those nuclear weapons.

I'm a coward? I show my face all over the internet, and have shown my face to the public for 35 years.

Let's see you do the same: show us your real face and your real voice and your real name. If not, then you are a coward.

In 1981 when Israel destroyed Osirak, Israel was still semi-independent. Israel used to act independently here and there. Today, Israel's leaders never defy the U.S. - they even beg America for permission to build a few apartments in their own capital city of Jerusalem.

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Re: Israel will never strike Iran
« Reply #27 on: August 11, 2009, 06:15:50 PM »
Chaim went to prison for what he did to save his fellow Jews. He's one of the bravest people I've ever heard of.

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Re: Israel will never strike Iran
« Reply #28 on: August 11, 2009, 06:17:11 PM »
Henry, Israel could easily bomb out Iran's nuclear installations if they use mini nukes, which have much lower levels of radiation.
 

Iran's nuclear factories are widespread and hidden underground. Only the United States can eliminate these. Not to mention, that Israel has no air craft carriers or long range bombers. Re-fueling in the air is risky and it's doubtful that Israel can even do this.

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Israel could also fry Iran's entire electronic/computer infra structure exploding a mini-nuke over Iran.
 

It wouldn't do any good because the Iranians can build new ones.

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Anyhow, some military experts claim Israel can effectively bomb Iran's nuclear physilities with conventional weapons.

This is a lie. No non-Jewish expert has ever said such a thing. Go find a link if it's true.

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Israel really don't have a choice, if Iran won't stop it's nuclear program by a cut -off date, then I'm convinced Israel will bomb Iran, with or without, America's giant bunker busting bombs.

They've been saying this for years but they still haven't done anything. All of you ignore the fact that Hezbollah defeated Israel and Israel had to took it's tale between it's legs and go home.

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Re: Israel will never strike Iran
« Reply #29 on: August 11, 2009, 06:17:57 PM »
Henry, don't you have an STD test you're gonna miss?

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Re: Israel will never strike Iran
« Reply #30 on: August 11, 2009, 06:18:03 PM »
Israel also has access to western weapons while the West refuses to sell Iran weapons. Iran must rely on inferior weapons from Russia, China, North Korea, and Pakistan. This is an unfair advantage.

Again, you display your ignorance. Iran under the Shah had all of the best American weaponry. Yet when Iran used those weapons in the Iran-Iraq, the Iranians still could not win.

The Saudis and the Arab oil sheiks buy far more American weaponry than tiny Israel.


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Re: Israel will never strike Iran
« Reply #31 on: August 11, 2009, 06:19:22 PM »
Do you know Anthony Cordesman one of preeminent military planners in the U.S 

http://www.upi.com/Emerging_Threats/2007/11/21/Walkers-World-A-Mideast-nuclear-war/UPI-98841195660827/   








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WASHINGTON, Nov. 21 (UPI) -- Anthony Cordesman may be the most influential man in Washington that most people have never heard of. A former director of intelligence assessment for the secretary of defense and director of policy and planning in the Department of Energy, he is now the top strategic guru at the Center for Strategic & International Studies.

Most serious politicians and journalists have for some years based their analyses of the Iraq war and its aftermath on his universally respected research. Cordesman is a facts man who likes and reveres good data and cool, clinical analysis as the keystones of policymaking.

He has now turned his laser-like research and forensic intelligence skills to studying the real implication of the endless diplomatic minuet at the United Nations over Iran's nuclear ambitions. In the real world, this matters mainly because an Iranian nuclear capability would transform the power balance in the wider Middle East, and leave the region and the rest of us living under the constant prospect of a nuclear exchange between Iran and Israel.

This would mean, Cordesman suggests, some 16 million to 28 million Iranians dead within 21 days, and between 200,000 and 800,000 Israelis dead within the same time frame. The total of deaths beyond 21 days could rise very much higher, depending on civil defense and public health facilities, where Israel has a major advantage.

It is theoretically possible that the Israeli state, economy and organized society might just survive such an almost-mortal blow. Iran would not survive as an organized society. "Iranian recovery is not possible in the normal sense of the term," Cordesman notes.

The difference in the death tolls is largely because Israel is believed to have more nuclear weapons of very much higher yield (some of 1 megaton), and Israel is deploying the Arrow advanced anti-missile system in addition to its Patriot batteries. Fewer Iranian weapons would get through.

The difference in yield matters. The biggest bomb that Iran is expected to have is 100 kilotons, which can inflict third-degree burns on exposed flesh at 8 miles; Israel's 1-megaton bombs can inflict third-degree burns at 24 miles. Moreover, the radiation fallout from an airburst of such a 1-megaton bomb can kill unsheltered people at up to 80 miles within 18 hours as the radiation plume drifts. (Jordan, by the way, would suffer severe radiation damage from an Iranian strike on Tel Aviv.)

Cordesman assumes that Iran, with less than 30 nuclear warheads in the period after 2010, would aim for the main population centers of Tel Aviv and Haifa, while Israel would have more than 200 warheads and far better delivery systems, including cruise missiles launched from its 3 Dolphin-class submarines.

The assumption is that Israel would be going for Iran's nuclear development centers in Tehran, Natanz, Ardekan, Saghand, Gashin, Bushehr, Aral, Isfahan and Lashkar A'bad. Israel would also likely target the main population centers of Tehran, Tabriz, Qazvin, Isfahan, Shiraz, Yazd, Kerman, Qom, Ahwaz and Kermanshah. Cordesman points out that the city of Tehran, with a population of 15 million in its metropolitan area, is "a topographic basin with mountain reflector. Nearly ideal nuclear killing ground."

But it does not end there. Cordesman points out that Israel would need to keep a "reserve strike capability to ensure no other power can capitalize on Iranian strike." This means Israel would have to target "key Arab neighbors" -- in particular Syria and Egypt.

Cordesman notes that Israel would have various options, including a limited nuclear strike on the region mainly inhabited by the Alawite minority from which come the ruling Assad dynasty. A full-scale Israeli attack on Syria would kill up to 18 million people within 21 days; Syrian recovery would not be possible. A Syrian attack with all its reputed chemical and biological warfare assets could kill up to 800,000 Israelis, but Israeli society would recover.

An Israeli attack on Egypt would likely strike at the main population centers of Cairo, Alexandria, Damietta, Port Said, Suez, Luxor and Aswan. Cordesman does not give a death toll here, but it would certainly be in the tens of millions. It would also destroy the Suez Canal and almost certainly destroy the Aswan dam, sending monstrous floods down the Nile to sweep away the glowing rubble. It would mean the end of Egypt as a functioning society.

Cordesman also lists the oil wells, refineries and ports along the Gulf that could also be targets in the event of a mass nuclear response by an Israel convinced that it was being dealt a potentially mortal blow. Being contained within the region, such a nuclear exchange might not be Armageddon for the human race; it would certainly be Armageddon for the global economy.

So in clear, concise and chillingly forensic style, Cordesman spells out that the real stakes in the crisis that is building over Iran's nuclear ambitions would certainly include the end of Persian civilization, quite probably the end of Egyptian civilization, and the end of the Oil Age. This would also mean the end of globalization and the extraordinary accretions in world trade and growth and prosperity that are hauling hundreds of millions of Chinese and Indians and others out of poverty.

Cordesman concludes his chilling but dismayingly logical survey with the warning: "The only way to win is not to play.
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Re: Israel will never strike Iran
« Reply #32 on: August 11, 2009, 06:20:51 PM »
Again, you display your ignorance. Iran under the Shah had all of the best American weaponry. Yet when Iran used those weapons in the Iran-Iraq, the Iranians still could not win.

The Saudis and the Arab oil sheiks buy far more American weaponry than tiny Israel.

I wasn't talking about decades ago but in modern times. Iran is currently on sanctions with America and the west won't sell them weapons. Israel has an unfair advantage because they can get weapons from the West.

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Re: Israel will never strike Iran
« Reply #33 on: August 11, 2009, 06:20:59 PM »
Show us your face and your voice and your real name. You called me a coward, let's see how much of a man you are.

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Re: Israel will never strike Iran
« Reply #34 on: August 11, 2009, 06:22:10 PM »
Do you know Anthony Cordesman one of preeminent military planners in the U.S 

http://www.upi.com/Emerging_Threats/2007/11/21/Walkers-World-A-Mideast-nuclear-war/UPI-98841195660827/   








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WASHINGTON, Nov. 21 (UPI) -- Anthony Cordesman may be the most influential man in Washington that most people have never heard of. A former director of intelligence assessment for the secretary of defense and director of policy and planning in the Department of Energy, he is now the top strategic guru at the Center for Strategic & International Studies.

Most serious politicians and journalists have for some years based their analyses of the Iraq war and its aftermath on his universally respected research. Cordesman is a facts man who likes and reveres good data and cool, clinical analysis as the keystones of policymaking.

He has now turned his laser-like research and forensic intelligence skills to studying the real implication of the endless diplomatic minuet at the United Nations over Iran's nuclear ambitions. In the real world, this matters mainly because an Iranian nuclear capability would transform the power balance in the wider Middle East, and leave the region and the rest of us living under the constant prospect of a nuclear exchange between Iran and Israel.

This would mean, Cordesman suggests, some 16 million to 28 million Iranians dead within 21 days, and between 200,000 and 800,000 Israelis dead within the same time frame. The total of deaths beyond 21 days could rise very much higher, depending on civil defense and public health facilities, where Israel has a major advantage.

It is theoretically possible that the Israeli state, economy and organized society might just survive such an almost-mortal blow. Iran would not survive as an organized society. "Iranian recovery is not possible in the normal sense of the term," Cordesman notes.

The difference in the death tolls is largely because Israel is believed to have more nuclear weapons of very much higher yield (some of 1 megaton), and Israel is deploying the Arrow advanced anti-missile system in addition to its Patriot batteries. Fewer Iranian weapons would get through.

The difference in yield matters. The biggest bomb that Iran is expected to have is 100 kilotons, which can inflict third-degree burns on exposed flesh at 8 miles; Israel's 1-megaton bombs can inflict third-degree burns at 24 miles. Moreover, the radiation fallout from an airburst of such a 1-megaton bomb can kill unsheltered people at up to 80 miles within 18 hours as the radiation plume drifts. (Jordan, by the way, would suffer severe radiation damage from an Iranian strike on Tel Aviv.)

Cordesman assumes that Iran, with less than 30 nuclear warheads in the period after 2010, would aim for the main population centers of Tel Aviv and Haifa, while Israel would have more than 200 warheads and far better delivery systems, including cruise missiles launched from its 3 Dolphin-class submarines.

The assumption is that Israel would be going for Iran's nuclear development centers in Tehran, Natanz, Ardekan, Saghand, Gashin, Bushehr, Aral, Isfahan and Lashkar A'bad. Israel would also likely target the main population centers of Tehran, Tabriz, Qazvin, Isfahan, Shiraz, Yazd, Kerman, Qom, Ahwaz and Kermanshah. Cordesman points out that the city of Tehran, with a population of 15 million in its metropolitan area, is "a topographic basin with mountain reflector. Nearly ideal nuclear killing ground."

But it does not end there. Cordesman points out that Israel would need to keep a "reserve strike capability to ensure no other power can capitalize on Iranian strike." This means Israel would have to target "key Arab neighbors" -- in particular Syria and Egypt.

Cordesman notes that Israel would have various options, including a limited nuclear strike on the region mainly inhabited by the Alawite minority from which come the ruling Assad dynasty. A full-scale Israeli attack on Syria would kill up to 18 million people within 21 days; Syrian recovery would not be possible. A Syrian attack with all its reputed chemical and biological warfare assets could kill up to 800,000 Israelis, but Israeli society would recover.

An Israeli attack on Egypt would likely strike at the main population centers of Cairo, Alexandria, Damietta, Port Said, Suez, Luxor and Aswan. Cordesman does not give a death toll here, but it would certainly be in the tens of millions. It would also destroy the Suez Canal and almost certainly destroy the Aswan dam, sending monstrous floods down the Nile to sweep away the glowing rubble. It would mean the end of Egypt as a functioning society.

Cordesman also lists the oil wells, refineries and ports along the Gulf that could also be targets in the event of a mass nuclear response by an Israel convinced that it was being dealt a potentially mortal blow. Being contained within the region, such a nuclear exchange might not be Armageddon for the human race; it would certainly be Armageddon for the global economy.

So in clear, concise and chillingly forensic style, Cordesman spells out that the real stakes in the crisis that is building over Iran's nuclear ambitions would certainly include the end of Persian civilization, quite probably the end of Egyptian civilization, and the end of the Oil Age. This would also mean the end of globalization and the extraordinary accretions in world trade and growth and prosperity that are hauling hundreds of millions of Chinese and Indians and others out of poverty.

Cordesman concludes his chilling but dismayingly logical survey with the warning: "The only way to win is not to play.
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Re: Israel will never strike Iran
« Reply #35 on: August 11, 2009, 06:22:52 PM »

I'm a coward? I show my face all over the internet, and have shown my face to the public for 35 years.

Let's see you do the same: show us your real face and your real voice and your real name. If not, then you are a coward.

In 1981 when Israel destroyed Osirak, Israel was still semi-independent. Israel used to act independently here and there. Today, Israel's leaders never defy the U.S. - they even beg America for permission to build a few apartments in their own capital city of Jerusalem.

Yes, you're all cowards for labeling anyone who doesn't believe your lies as a Nazi. I don't have to show my face to not be a coward.

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« Reply #36 on: August 11, 2009, 06:25:46 PM »
Hey Fairy, Hezbollah defeated Israel because these days Israelis are not willing to inflict so-called "civilian" casualties. The wimpy, Hellenized Jews of today, who care more about the "human rights" of their enemies than surviving, defeated themselves.

One good carpet-bomb run over the Bekaa Valley and Beirut would have finished the Hezbollah problem. Yes, they are very tough and effective fighters (unlike 99% of Muslim "soldiers"), but that would have meant nothing if the IAF decided to use even just 10% of its real force.

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« Reply #37 on: August 11, 2009, 06:26:07 PM »
Show us your face and your voice and your real name. You called me a coward, let's see how much of a man you are.

Not showing my face doesn't make me a coward. Calling anyone who disagrees with you a Nazi is cowardly. Almost everyone would disagree with you so are most people Nazis?

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Re: Israel will never strike Iran
« Reply #38 on: August 11, 2009, 06:27:25 PM »

I'm a coward? I show my face all over the internet, and have shown my face to the public for 35 years.

Let's see you do the same: show us your real face and your real voice and your real name. If not, then you are a coward.

In 1981 when Israel destroyed Osirak, Israel was still semi-independent. Israel used to act independently here and there. Today, Israel's leaders never defy the U.S. - they even beg America for permission to build a few apartments in their own capital city of Jerusalem.

Yes, you're all cowards for labeling anyone who doesn't believe your lies as a Nazi. I don't have to show my face to not be a coward.

Anyone who doesn't believe your lies is a nazi... Your the one who is lying here. Why do you come here only to be a complete loser? Do we come to your home and make a mess there? Also you are the coward in this case. We all know what Chaim has done, how he has stood up for what is right... You on the other hand are using the nicname of a known self-hating Jew and claiming that Israel is not strong enough to destroy the Iranian nuclear program... Do you really think we would consider you a sane human being?

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« Reply #39 on: August 11, 2009, 06:27:28 PM »
Israel also has access to western weapons while the West refuses to sell Iran weapons. Iran must rely on inferior weapons from Russia, China, North Korea, and Pakistan. This is an unfair advantage.

Again, you display your ignorance. Iran under the Shah had all of the best American weaponry. Yet when Iran used those weapons in the Iran-Iraq, the Iranians still could not win.

The Saudis and the Arab oil sheiks buy far more American weaponry than tiny Israel.



Henry, you just gave yourself away an an anti-semite.  I didn't have a problem with you till now.  First you claimed that Israel didn't have the ability to stop Iran's Nuclear program.   That is your opinion, which is fair enough.  But now you say that Israel has an unfair advantage because they receive weapons from the United States.  It seems to me, you're obviously on the side of Iran with a statement like that.  Why would you care, if Israel used America's weapons to bomb Iran, when you're whole point was , they don't have the ability to do it.

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« Reply #40 on: August 11, 2009, 06:30:51 PM »
You said that Iran has inferior Russian weaponry and that Israel has the nuclear advantage but also say Israel is not capable of beating Iran?  This is not logical.

Israel can beat Iran in a war but won't be willing to sustain the casualties and they also won't be able to eliminate the nuclear threat. Why is this illogical?

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« Reply #41 on: August 11, 2009, 06:31:01 PM »
Not showing my face doesn't make me a coward. Calling anyone who disagrees with you a Nazi is cowardly. Almost everyone would disagree with you so are most people Nazis?
You are a flaming fairy. Time to go back to your buttboys over at Whorefront.

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« Reply #42 on: August 11, 2009, 06:32:59 PM »
Henry, you just gave yourself away an an anti-semite.  I didn't have a problem with you till now.  First you claimed that Israel didn't have the ability to stop Iran's Nuclear program.   That is your opinion, which is fair enough.  But now you say that Israel has an unfair advantage because they receive weapons from the United States.  It seems to me, you're obviously on the side of Iran with a statement like that.  Why would you care, if Israel used America's weapons to bomb Iran, when you're whole point was , they don't have the ability to do it.

I'm on the side of truth. Israel has an advantage because of the weapons they get from the west. Anyone that denies this is a liar.

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« Reply #43 on: August 11, 2009, 06:33:42 PM »
And anyone who can't see that you are a flaming WN, I feel sorry for.

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Question for you Femmy:

What were the results of your last HIV test?

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« Reply #45 on: August 11, 2009, 06:40:34 PM »
Further proof that Israel is full of crap, Netanyahu was supposed to attack Iran. What happened? What is he waiting for? He will end up not doing it. The odds of Israel attacking Iran is very low and if they do it it will be a half-assed job because of the casualties and the difficulty of finding and destroying their underground factories.

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« Reply #46 on: August 11, 2009, 06:40:46 PM »
You called me a coward. I show my face to the whole world and say very controversial and offensive things.

You, on the other hand, are just a worthless wimp whom no one even cares about. So why not show your face and give us your real name? Are you that terrified?

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« Reply #47 on: August 11, 2009, 06:42:46 PM »
and if they do it it will be a half-assed job because of the casualties and the difficulty of finding and destroying their underground factories.
Wrong, if this happens it will be because they feel bad about Iranian casualties.

If Israel wanted to, it could make the entire Middle East Muslim-free in a matter of minutes.

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« Reply #48 on: August 11, 2009, 06:45:39 PM »
Do you know Anthony Cordesman one of preeminent military planners in the U.S 

http://www.upi.com/Emerging_Threats/2007/11/21/Walkers-World-A-Mideast-nuclear-war/UPI-98841195660827/   








Published: Nov. 21, 2007 at 11:00 AM
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WASHINGTON, Nov. 21 (UPI) -- Anthony Cordesman may be the most influential man in Washington that most people have never heard of. A former director of intelligence assessment for the secretary of defense and director of policy and planning in the Department of Energy, he is now the top strategic guru at the Center for Strategic & International Studies.

Most serious politicians and journalists have for some years based their analyses of the Iraq war and its aftermath on his universally respected research. Cordesman is a facts man who likes and reveres good data and cool, clinical analysis as the keystones of policymaking.

He has now turned his laser-like research and forensic intelligence skills to studying the real implication of the endless diplomatic minuet at the United Nations over Iran's nuclear ambitions. In the real world, this matters mainly because an Iranian nuclear capability would transform the power balance in the wider Middle East, and leave the region and the rest of us living under the constant prospect of a nuclear exchange between Iran and Israel.

This would mean, Cordesman suggests, some 16 million to 28 million Iranians dead within 21 days, and between 200,000 and 800,000 Israelis dead within the same time frame. The total of deaths beyond 21 days could rise very much higher, depending on civil defense and public health facilities, where Israel has a major advantage.

It is theoretically possible that the Israeli state, economy and organized society might just survive such an almost-mortal blow. Iran would not survive as an organized society. "Iranian recovery is not possible in the normal sense of the term," Cordesman notes.

The difference in the death tolls is largely because Israel is believed to have more nuclear weapons of very much higher yield (some of 1 megaton), and Israel is deploying the Arrow advanced anti-missile system in addition to its Patriot batteries. Fewer Iranian weapons would get through.

The difference in yield matters. The biggest bomb that Iran is expected to have is 100 kilotons, which can inflict third-degree burns on exposed flesh at 8 miles; Israel's 1-megaton bombs can inflict third-degree burns at 24 miles. Moreover, the radiation fallout from an airburst of such a 1-megaton bomb can kill unsheltered people at up to 80 miles within 18 hours as the radiation plume drifts. (Jordan, by the way, would suffer severe radiation damage from an Iranian strike on Tel Aviv.)

Cordesman assumes that Iran, with less than 30 nuclear warheads in the period after 2010, would aim for the main population centers of Tel Aviv and Haifa, while Israel would have more than 200 warheads and far better delivery systems, including cruise missiles launched from its 3 Dolphin-class submarines.

The assumption is that Israel would be going for Iran's nuclear development centers in Tehran, Natanz, Ardekan, Saghand, Gashin, Bushehr, Aral, Isfahan and Lashkar A'bad. Israel would also likely target the main population centers of Tehran, Tabriz, Qazvin, Isfahan, Shiraz, Yazd, Kerman, Qom, Ahwaz and Kermanshah. Cordesman points out that the city of Tehran, with a population of 15 million in its metropolitan area, is "a topographic basin with mountain reflector. Nearly ideal nuclear killing ground."

But it does not end there. Cordesman points out that Israel would need to keep a "reserve strike capability to ensure no other power can capitalize on Iranian strike." This means Israel would have to target "key Arab neighbors" -- in particular Syria and Egypt.

Cordesman notes that Israel would have various options, including a limited nuclear strike on the region mainly inhabited by the Alawite minority from which come the ruling Assad dynasty. A full-scale Israeli attack on Syria would kill up to 18 million people within 21 days; Syrian recovery would not be possible. A Syrian attack with all its reputed chemical and biological warfare assets could kill up to 800,000 Israelis, but Israeli society would recover.

An Israeli attack on Egypt would likely strike at the main population centers of Cairo, Alexandria, Damietta, Port Said, Suez, Luxor and Aswan. Cordesman does not give a death toll here, but it would certainly be in the tens of millions. It would also destroy the Suez Canal and almost certainly destroy the Aswan dam, sending monstrous floods down the Nile to sweep away the glowing rubble. It would mean the end of Egypt as a functioning society.

Cordesman also lists the oil wells, refineries and ports along the Gulf that could also be targets in the event of a mass nuclear response by an Israel convinced that it was being dealt a potentially mortal blow. Being contained within the region, such a nuclear exchange might not be Armageddon for the human race; it would certainly be Armageddon for the global economy.

So in clear, concise and chillingly forensic style, Cordesman spells out that the real stakes in the crisis that is building over Iran's nuclear ambitions would certainly include the end of Persian civilization, quite probably the end of Egyptian civilization, and the end of the Oil Age. This would also mean the end of globalization and the extraordinary accretions in world trade and growth and prosperity that are hauling hundreds of millions of Chinese and Indians and others out of poverty.

Cordesman concludes his chilling but dismayingly logical survey with the warning: "The only way to win is not to play.

This article states the casualties of nuclear war. I'm talking about Israel not having the ability to stop Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons.

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Re: Israel will never strike Iran
« Reply #49 on: August 11, 2009, 06:46:37 PM »
Henry, you just gave yourself away an an anti-semite.  I didn't have a problem with you till now.  First you claimed that Israel didn't have the ability to stop Iran's Nuclear program.   That is your opinion, which is fair enough.  But now you say that Israel has an unfair advantage because they receive weapons from the United States.  It seems to me, you're obviously on the side of Iran with a statement like that.  Why would you care, if Israel used America's weapons to bomb Iran, when you're whole point was , they don't have the ability to do it.

I'm on the side of truth. Israel has an advantage because of the weapons they get from the west. Anyone that denies this is a liar.

Henry:  You blew your cover.