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Offline Ulli

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The German political magazin „Der Spiegel“ published today an article about an Iranian TV-Holocaust-series. The Iranians hired for it European actors to produce a TV-drama. One of the actors is the French woman Nathalie Matti. The title of the tv-drama was „Zero Degree“.

The plot of the story writes Hassan Fatthi. At the first site, this tv-drama don't deny the holocaust,  but at the second site, there is a demonic plan behind the good looking surface.

A lot of western media worship this tv-drama, because after Achmadinedschads „Holocaust Conference“ in Teheran, every little step in the direction of the truth was in their view a right step.

In the credits at the end of the film,  Roger Garaudy and  Abdollah Shahbazi are mentioned as historical advisers. You can see Shahbazis Weblog here (www.shahbazi.org).
This two „historical advisers“ are revisionists.

A short summary of the plot:
The jewish girl Sarah meets the Iranian Student Habib at an university in Paris, a short time before the Nazis conquer Paris. The Nazis want to kill Sarah and her family. Habib obtains Iranian Passes for them and they flee together in the Iran.

But the Nazis are not the only enemies of Sarah and Habib. The Zionists worked together with the Nazis. In the beginning of this tv-drama a jewish Rabbi was killed in Theran from the Zionists, becaus he don't agrees with the jewish emigration to Israel. The uncle of sarah has secret papers with evidence for the Zionist Colloboration with the Nazis.

In my oppinion it is a demonic work and everybody can realize this quickly. But the French actress means that the message of this sorry effort is international understanding. ???   

This is the original Text of the German magazine "Der Spiegel" (The mirror)
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Verschwörer als Betörer

Von Mohammad Reza Kazemi

Irans Präsident Ahmadinedschad ist als Holocaust-Leugner berüchtigt. Umso erstaunlicher ist eine iranische Fernsehserie, die eine objektive Sicht auf die Judenverfolgung zu vermitteln scheint - und dafür von westlichen Zeitungen gelobt wird. Doch der Schein trügt.


Eine hausgemachte Fernsehserie über die Judenverfolgung zieht jeden Montagabend Millionen Menschen in Iran vor die Bildschirme. Die Handlung von "Breite: Null Grad": Habib, ein junger Iraner, kommt mit zwei Freunden kurz vor Ausbruch des Zweiten Weltkriegs nach Paris, um Philosophie zu studieren. Er verliebt sich in seine jüdische Kommilitonin Sara. Bald besetzen die Nazis die französische Hauptstadt und beginnen, Juden in die Konzentrationslager zu deportieren. Das Leben von Sara und ihrer Familie ist in akuter Gefahr. Habib tritt als Retter auf: Er beschafft ihnen iranische Pässe, so dass sie nach Teheran fliehen können.

Logo der Serie "Breite: Null Grad": Kaschierter Revisionismus
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Logo der Serie "Breite: Null Grad": Kaschierter Revisionismus
Das Thema trifft in Iran einen Nerv: Präsident Mahmud Ahmadinedschad hat den Holocaust als "Mythos" bezeichnet, der Quotenhit "Breite: Null Grad" dagegen, der seit vier Monaten auf dem ersten Kanal des staatlichen Fernsehens der Islamischen Republik läuft, zeigt das Gegenteil - so scheint es zumindest.

Und so sieht es auch die junge französische Schauspielerin Nathalie Matti, die in den insgesamt 30 Folgen die Sara darstellt. "Es gibt Dialoge, die eindeutig auf die Ermordung von Juden durch die Nazis hinweisen", sagt sie im Gespräch mit SPIEGEL ONLINE. "Außerdem werden Sara und ihre Familie im Film positiv dargestellt." Viele Iraner teilen diese Ansicht und sind über die scheinbar offene Opposition des ansonsten loyalen Fernsehkanals verblüfft.

Vermeintlicher Tabubruch mit Folgen

"Das iranische Fernsehen scheint die Kontrolle über seine eigenen Produktionen zu verlieren", meint etwa ein iranischer Student, der sich einige Folgen der Serie angeschaut hat. Die Serie sei für ihn aber auch in anderer Hinsicht ein echter Tabubruch: "Rendezvous mit blonden Pariserinnen, Nachtclubs, tanzende und besoffene Iraner" - das sei alles andere als normal im iranischen Fernsehen. Dazu kommen das Thema Liebe und ein Briefwechsel zwischen einer verheirateten Frau und einem Polizeioffizier sowie ein Hauch von Feminismus, was für mehr Kontrast und Attraktivität der Serie sorgt.

Aber auch technisch rangiert die Produktion weit über dem iranischen Durchschnit. Sogar das US-Blatt "Wall Street Journal" lobte vergangene Woche die "kostspieligste" iranische Fernsehserie: Der Film sei ein Versuch der Regierung in Teheran, das Bild der Juden im Inland zu verbessern. Handelt es sich also um eine Art verdeckte TV-Diplomatie, weil alle anderen Kanäle zwischen Teheran und Washington derzeit blockiert sind?

Die Interpretation des "Wall Street Journals" greift viel zu kurz. Um das zu erkennen, muss man allerdings wissen, dass sich hinter der exotischen Fassade des Quotenhits eine unter Holocaust-Leugnern weitverbreitete These verbirgt. Danach hätten jüdische Zionisten mit Adolf Hitler kollaboriert, um ihren Wunsch nach der Gründung eines jüdischen Staats zu verwirklichen. Dabei hätten sie sogar viele Gleichgesinnte kaltblütig ermordet, vor allem diejenigen, die sich gegen die politischen Ambitionen der zionistischen Bewegung gestellt hätten. Und tatsächlich: Dieser Aspekt wird in "Breite: Null Grad" immer wieder hervorgehoben - viel stärker als die Judenvernichtung durch die Nazis.

So wird bereits vor seiner Abreise nach Frankreich das Leben des Hauptprotagonisten Habib in Teheran geschildert, unter anderem im Zusammenhang mit einem Mordfall. Ein iranischer Rabbiner, der der Emigration der Juden nach Palästina kritisch gegenübersteht, wird getötet - von Zionisten. Auch der Onkel der jüdischen Studentin Sara erlebt das gleiche Schicksal. Der plumpe Plot: Der pensionierte Geschichtsprofessor ist in Besitz von Dokumenten, die die geheimen Verbindungen zwischen dem jüdischen Weltverband und den Nationalsozialisten dokumentieren.

Antisemiten, wie sie im Buche stehen

Aus Sicht des iranischen Präsidenten Ahmadinedschad ist der Holocaust die Gründungssäule des israelischen Staates. Den Holocaust anzuzweifeln heißt deshalb für ihn, die Existenz Israels in Frage zu stellen. Die TV-Serie "Breite: Null Grad" dient nun ebenfalls diesem Zweck - allerdings auf geschicktere Art und Weise, als es bisherige Machwerke taten.

Die Meinungen des iranischen Staatschefs seien keinesfalls der Anlass für die Produktion des Films gewesen, beteuert der Regisseur und Drehbuchautor Hassan Fatthi. Schließlich sei das Projekt bereits vor fünf Jahren, also lange vor dem Amtsantritt Ahmadinedschads, gestartet worden.

Doch diese Argumentation hat einen Haken: Zwar war Ahmadinedschad damals tatsächlich noch nicht an der Macht. Die Thesen der Holocaust-Leugner waren jedoch durch Personen wie den französischen Autoren Roger Garaudy auch in Iran längst bekannt - und populär. Ein Buch des Antisemiten Garaudy taucht sogar im Abspann der Serie auf - als "historische Quelle". Es kommt noch dicker: Als "historischer Berater" des Regisseurs Fatthi fungiert Abdollah Shahbazi, ein entschiedener Holocaust-Leugner, wie die Beiträge in seinem Weblog www.shahbazi.org beweisen.

Auch Fatthi macht aus seinem revisionistischen Geschichtsverständnis keinen Hehl. "Die historischen Beweise zeigen, dass die Mehrheit der Nazi-Opfer diejenigen Juden waren, die gegen die Okkupation von Palästina waren", sagte er zu SPIEGEL ONLINE. Dennoch will Fatthi seine TV-Serie als "Dienst für das Völkerverständnis" verstanden wissen. "Mit dem Film wollte ich einen Beitrag zum Dialog zwischen den Religionen und Kulturen leisten", sagt er.

Man mag sich fragen, wie ein Dialog zwischen Kulturen und Religionen mit rechtsextremem Gedankengut möglich sein soll. Dumm nur, dass "Breite: Null Grad" zum Teil mitten in Europa, in Frankreich sowie Ungarn und unter aktiver Teilnahme von europäischen Schauspielern gedreht worden ist. Eine Tatsache, die den iranischen Regisseur um so selbstbewusster an sein Projekt glauben lässt.

Source: http://www.spiegel.de/kultur/gesellschaft/0,1518,504864,00.html
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Holocaust denial goes against overwhelming evidence and credited historians, its totally irrational and anyone who does it is either joking around/looking for shock value, an idiot, or so hateful of Jews that they are willing to look stupid in the process.

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Exactly in my city aline before war there was 5000 Polish jews; (they were clasified as religius minority "wyznanie mojzeszowe" not nation by Polish Goverment); So what happened with them? they dissolved into air burning the sinaggue and all jewish quarter with? After the war there's no religius not assimilated Jew left an total count of survival was a few person; so where they're now  those people if Holocaust is the hoax? where are two milion and half  anacounted Jews from only one European country?   
Jeremiah 8:11-17

11 They dress the wound of my people as though it were not serious. Peace, peace, they say, when there is no peace.

12 Are they ashamed of their loathsome conduct? No, they have no shame at all; they do not even know how to blush. So they will fall among the fallen; they will be brought down when they are punished, says the LORD.

13 'I will take away their harvest, declares the LORD. There will be no grapes on the vine. There will be no figs on the tree, and their leaves will wither. What I have given them will be taken from them.'

14 Why are we sitting here? Gather together! Let us flee to the fortified cities and perish there! For the LORD our God has doomed us to perish and given us poisoned water to drink, because we have sinned against him.

15 We hoped for peace but no good has come, for a time of healing but there was only terror.

16 The snorting of the enemy's horses is heard from Dan; at the neighing of their stallions the whole land trembles. They have come to devour the land and everything in it, the city and all who live there.

17 See, I will send venomous snakes among you, vipers that cannot be charmed, and they will bite you, declares the LORD.

Love your Enemy
And Heap Burning Coals on his Head!!!
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Exactly in my city aline before war there was 5000 Polish jews; (they were clasified as religius minority "wyznanie mojzeszowe" not nation by Polish Goverment); So what happened with them? they dissolved into air burning the sinaggue and all jewish quarter with? After the war there's no religius not assimilated Jew left an total count of survival was a few person; so where they're now  those people if Holocaust is the hoax? where are two milion and half  anacounted Jews from only one European country?   
In my hometown that called Jever in Germany there was a small Jewish community. After the war only one Jew called Levi was left and the synagoge was perished. Near the court of justice there is a iron plate. Every name stands on it and where they are murdered.
I think this holocaust-denier know the truth. They are planning to do it again, because they are evil. And what Chaim ben Pesach said was right. This time they want to kill the Christians too. They murder us in the whole islamic world. You can see it every day in the news.
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in my city there were1/3 of pre war population; and now only the stone with plaque on the site of the sinagogue left; there were so many casulties Jewish or Polish that the town reached pre war population only in sixties; When I see German tourists from older generation; I wonder what they did during war; I don't hate Germans but I cant stand Erica Steinbah and German ex-patriot organisations demanding reparations; as Bible said in Horea 8:7: For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind.
You seem to be OK chap for a German Złotybażant.
Jeremiah 8:11-17

11 They dress the wound of my people as though it were not serious. Peace, peace, they say, when there is no peace.

12 Are they ashamed of their loathsome conduct? No, they have no shame at all; they do not even know how to blush. So they will fall among the fallen; they will be brought down when they are punished, says the LORD.

13 'I will take away their harvest, declares the LORD. There will be no grapes on the vine. There will be no figs on the tree, and their leaves will wither. What I have given them will be taken from them.'

14 Why are we sitting here? Gather together! Let us flee to the fortified cities and perish there! For the LORD our God has doomed us to perish and given us poisoned water to drink, because we have sinned against him.

15 We hoped for peace but no good has come, for a time of healing but there was only terror.

16 The snorting of the enemy's horses is heard from Dan; at the neighing of their stallions the whole land trembles. They have come to devour the land and everything in it, the city and all who live there.

17 See, I will send venomous snakes among you, vipers that cannot be charmed, and they will bite you, declares the LORD.

Love your Enemy
And Heap Burning Coals on his Head!!!
http://net-burst.net/revenge/love_and_wrath_of_God.htm

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Ultra Requete How may moslems in Poland?
Thy destroyers and they that make thee waste shall go forth of thee.  Isaiah 49:17

 
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Ultra Requete How may moslems in Poland?

Acording to Muslem sources about 30 000 too much.

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Currently, the total number of Muslims in Poland is estimated at 31,000, of whom 5,000 are of Tatar extraction, plus 25,000 made up of immigrants and students, while another 1,000 are indigenous Polish people who had accepted Islam.


http://www.islamicpopulation.com/poland_muslim.html

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The first noticeable presence of Islam in Poland began in the 14th century. From this time it was primarily associated with the Tatars, many of whom settled in Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth while continuing their traditions and religious beliefs. The first significant non-Tatar groups of Muslims arrived in Poland in the 1970's. Currently the total number of Muslims in Poland is estimated at around 30,000 or 0.07% of the total population.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Poland

You see they're to few of those cukroaches to try Jihaad; they even unlikly western Europe don't attack Jewish intitutions; so they engage in taqiya; educating naive  Poles about the pissfoulness of Islam. ::) >:(
Jeremiah 8:11-17

11 They dress the wound of my people as though it were not serious. Peace, peace, they say, when there is no peace.

12 Are they ashamed of their loathsome conduct? No, they have no shame at all; they do not even know how to blush. So they will fall among the fallen; they will be brought down when they are punished, says the LORD.

13 'I will take away their harvest, declares the LORD. There will be no grapes on the vine. There will be no figs on the tree, and their leaves will wither. What I have given them will be taken from them.'

14 Why are we sitting here? Gather together! Let us flee to the fortified cities and perish there! For the LORD our God has doomed us to perish and given us poisoned water to drink, because we have sinned against him.

15 We hoped for peace but no good has come, for a time of healing but there was only terror.

16 The snorting of the enemy's horses is heard from Dan; at the neighing of their stallions the whole land trembles. They have come to devour the land and everything in it, the city and all who live there.

17 See, I will send venomous snakes among you, vipers that cannot be charmed, and they will bite you, declares the LORD.

Love your Enemy
And Heap Burning Coals on his Head!!!
http://net-burst.net/revenge/love_and_wrath_of_God.htm

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LOL thats good only 30,000 tarters they aren'nt religious moslem are they?
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A good way to debate a denier is to explain to them that if there is a conspiracy, then there must be a leader to the conspiracy.  They believe people who disagree with them are part of a conspiracy.  Why are there no eye-witnesses, yet there are plenty of eye-witnesses that would fit the pattern of the story that actually happened?

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LOL thats good only 30,000 tarters they aren'nt religious moslem are they?

Tatars are only 5000  and they're as religius as reformed jews or liberal episcopalian/lutheran chritians in states. LOL! The rest is immigrant dreck from turd A-rab and other allah forsaken countries; they must be watched.
Jeremiah 8:11-17

11 They dress the wound of my people as though it were not serious. Peace, peace, they say, when there is no peace.

12 Are they ashamed of their loathsome conduct? No, they have no shame at all; they do not even know how to blush. So they will fall among the fallen; they will be brought down when they are punished, says the LORD.

13 'I will take away their harvest, declares the LORD. There will be no grapes on the vine. There will be no figs on the tree, and their leaves will wither. What I have given them will be taken from them.'

14 Why are we sitting here? Gather together! Let us flee to the fortified cities and perish there! For the LORD our God has doomed us to perish and given us poisoned water to drink, because we have sinned against him.

15 We hoped for peace but no good has come, for a time of healing but there was only terror.

16 The snorting of the enemy's horses is heard from Dan; at the neighing of their stallions the whole land trembles. They have come to devour the land and everything in it, the city and all who live there.

17 See, I will send venomous snakes among you, vipers that cannot be charmed, and they will bite you, declares the LORD.

Love your Enemy
And Heap Burning Coals on his Head!!!
http://net-burst.net/revenge/love_and_wrath_of_God.htm

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Re: Conspirators as bewitcher – Is there a new strategy to deny the holocaust?
« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2007, 04:20:23 PM »
lol :laugh:
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