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Re: Are the Ethiopians really Jewish?
« Reply #25 on: July 11, 2019, 02:25:30 AM »
Best of luck in learning the English language you Christian piece of trash.
I speak English very well & I am an Orthodox Jew not a Christian you Jew hating fardorbener!!!!!
Be prepared to no longer post on this great Kahanist site because you have been reported
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Re: Are the Ethiopians really Jewish?
« Reply #26 on: July 11, 2019, 02:36:00 AM »

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I only believe in Hashem & only Hashem you Jew hating troll.
There was a split you idiot &  more than half of Lubavitch rejects the Mishichist nonsense so stop defaming good Jews!!!
Just like not all Breslovers are Na Nachs not all Lubavutchers are Mishichistim!!!!
Best of luck posting your hateful  lies elsewhere because you will soon be gone from here!!!!
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Re: Are the Ethiopians really Jewish?
« Reply #27 on: July 11, 2019, 02:56:01 AM »
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This site http://chassidusunlimited.tripod.com/intro.html proves that I am telling the truth & that you are a hateful lying troll!!
Best of luck peddling your hateful lies elsewhere because you will be gone from here by the end of the day!!!
I guarantee it!!!!
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Re: Are the Ethiopians really Jewish?
« Reply #28 on: July 11, 2019, 03:17:15 AM »

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You are a Jew hating troll & you have been reported by several good Jews & Gentiles for spewing hate & lies.
Be prepared to no  longer be on this forum!!!!
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Re: Are the Ethiopians really Jewish?
« Reply #29 on: July 11, 2019, 03:24:17 AM »
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The Lubavitcher Rebbe was a holy man who started the modern Noahide movement. Without him few people would be Noahides. My Rabbi is Chabad and my teacher is Chabad. How dare you insult such holy men. Reported. 
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Re: Are the Ethiopians really Jewish?
« Reply #30 on: July 11, 2019, 03:49:42 AM »
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I fear it is not within your purview to educate me or to judge me. As an ex-Christian I assure you the Lubavitchers are not Christians. You are not worth my time. JTF is not the place for you. Go play somewhere else.
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Re: Are the Ethiopians really Jewish?
« Reply #31 on: July 11, 2019, 03:50:42 AM »
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Rav JB Soloveitchik,Rav Moshe Feinstein,Rav Mordedchai Eliyahu,Rav Meir Kahane,Rav Avrhom Pam,The Nitra Rov,The Gerer Rebbe,The Novominisker Rebbe,Rav Hutner as well as many more all held that the Rebbe was a gadol so stop lying & defaming a great man you rosha!!!!
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Re: Are the Ethiopians really Jewish?
« Reply #32 on: July 11, 2019, 03:53:13 AM »
I fear it is not within your purview to educate me or to judge me. As an ex-Christian I assure you the Lubavitchers are not Christians. You are not worth my time. JTF is not the place for you. Go play somewhere else.
Touche` & well put my erudite Noahide friend!!!!!

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Re: Are the Ethiopians really Jewish?
« Reply #33 on: July 11, 2019, 03:58:42 AM »
Touche` & well put my erudite Noahide friend!!!!!

Thank you, brother.
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Re: Are the Ethiopians really Jewish?
« Reply #34 on: July 11, 2019, 02:32:07 PM »
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Stop trolling and spamming
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Re: Are the Ethiopians really Jewish?
« Reply #35 on: July 11, 2019, 02:34:12 PM »
I am not making a racial thing at all but Rav Ovadia was a daas yachid as most poskim hold that they do need giyur & without giyur they are not halachically Jews among them Rav Moshe Feinstein & Rav Yosef Shalom Eliyashiv.
Those that did giyur are amongst the finest Jews as are the so called Bnai Menashe from India who likewise must do giyur.
A large number of Russians also must do giyur due to intermarriage unless they have solid proof that their mother is Jewish.

Is it known which Ethiopians in Israel did giyur and which did not?

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Re: Are the Ethiopians really Jewish?
« Reply #36 on: July 11, 2019, 02:42:30 PM »
Is it known which Ethiopians in Israel did giyur and which did not?

The Rabbanut as well as the interior ministry would have a record of it
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Re: Are the Ethiopians really Jewish?
« Reply #37 on: July 11, 2019, 02:50:53 PM »
Stop trolling and spamming
Please report this troll to the administrators I have  & so have a few others.
The more people that report him the quicker he'll be banned from posting here

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Re: Are the Ethiopians really Jewish?
« Reply #38 on: July 11, 2019, 03:08:36 PM »
I banned that scroll and deleted his abusive posts.

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Re: Are the Ethiopians really Jewish?
« Reply #39 on: July 11, 2019, 03:12:50 PM »
I banned that scroll and deleted his abusive posts.
Thanks he was attacking everybody for no rhyme or reason  & has no place here with decent human beings.

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Re: Are the Ethiopians really Jewish?
« Reply #40 on: July 11, 2019, 03:23:40 PM »
The Rabbanut as well as the interior ministry would have a record of it

I wonder what the percentages are, and I wonder if there's a correlation with the populations recently rioting

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Re: Are the Ethiopians really Jewish?
« Reply #41 on: July 11, 2019, 03:27:57 PM »
I wonder what the percentages are, and I wonder if there's a correlation with the populations recently rioting
This I have no idea

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Re: Are the Ethiopians really Jewish?
« Reply #42 on: July 11, 2019, 04:15:03 PM »
I thought this idiot was banned. I'm going to sleep. I hope I won't see him when I wake up.
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Re: Are the Ethiopians really Jewish?
« Reply #43 on: July 11, 2019, 04:18:01 PM »
I thought this idiot was banned. I'm going to sleep. I hope I won't see him when I wake up.
Complain to the administrators again
I just did that
Hopefully by the morning this creep will be gone!!!

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Re: Are the Ethiopians really Jewish?
« Reply #44 on: July 11, 2019, 05:06:37 PM »
I thought I already banned him.  Very weird.  So I banned him again.  All I can say is that it's awkward to do this kind of thing on my Android phone with my large hands and all.

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« Reply #45 on: July 11, 2019, 10:45:00 PM »
I thought I already banned him.  Very weird.  So I banned him again.  All I can say is that it's awkward to do this kind of thing on my Android phone with my large hands and all.
Thanks again he was just plain annoying to all

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Re: Are the Ethiopians really Jewish?
« Reply #46 on: July 12, 2019, 03:26:53 AM »
Thanks Lisa.

There is not a single person who is holy and knowledgeable enough to challenge the Rebbe. This may be a good time to share Rabbi Schochet's defense of Chabad:

https://www.amazon.com/review/RHWERA9Z99NYO

The Professor, the Messiah, and the Scandal of Calumnies
By J. Immanuel Schochet

Prof. David Berger's recent book. "The Rebbe, the Messiah and the Scandal of Orthodox Indifference," is the subject of heated controversy. It attacks the Chabad-Lubavitch community, charging it with false messianism, adopting Christian doctrines, heresy and idolatry.

Unfortunately, professional scrupulosity and a modicum of evidence one expects from an academic, is missing. For example: on the one hand, Dr. Berger admits that "statistical precision [about the Chabad community] is elusive, dependent partly on the reading of minds." Yet he insists repeatedly that "large segments," a "substantial majority" and "mainstream Lubavitch" are guilty of his charges. In turn, the official leadership of Chabad, which he recognizes to be decidely anti-messianist, is downplayed to "quite minimal influence on the large majority of Lubavitch hasidim." Is Dr. Berger really able to read minds?

Dr. Berger rejects pronouncements by two universally respected halachic authorities which support Lubavitch and condemn the attacks against it. Rabbis Pinchas Hirshprung and Aaron Soloveichik regard Lubavitch messianism as one side of a legitimate dispute. According to Dr. Berger, their statements were issued under duress, when they were infirm. In effect he accuses them of violating the Biblical prohibition not to be afraid of anyone to validate what he deems to be outright heresy. Surely, then, he must dismiss anything else they said.

The book is a chronicle of Dr. Berger's quixotic battle against Lubavitch over many years. He complains bitterly that his campaign is ignored by the bulk of orthodox Jewry. The only support he received was from Satmar, Rabbis Chaim Keller of Chicago and Yaakov S. Weinberg of Baltimore, disciples of Rabbi Eliezer Schach of Israel, and "distinguished individuals" who remain anonymous. Except for Satmar, he fails to mention that these rabbis displayed a consistent hostility toward hasidism in general, and Chabad in particular, for decades before messianism became an issue. Their offensive statements, with charges of heresy and idolatry, go back at least to the 1950's, a part of their obsession to resuscitate the historical feud between mitnagdim and hasidim of more than two centuries ago.

Dr. Berger relates that "heads of non-hasidic yeshivas" shrugged off much of his material "on the grounds that hasidism in general is idolatry," adding that he does not believe that this was meant literally. If he were to examine the accessible records he will have to change his mind. A major concern of Dr. Berger is that the messianists' assumption that the resurrected Lubavitcher Rebbe may yet be the Messiah, "erases one of the defining characteristics of Judaism in a Christian world." He cites missionaries who already utilize this assumption to justify their belief in a "second coming." In other words, he defines Judaism by its differences from Christianity. One would think that Judaism is defined by its own tradition, predating Christianity by more than a millennium. Moreover, missionaries keep reprinting books citing numerous passages from Talmud, Midrash, Zohar, Jewish Bible-commentaries and so forth, to support their claims. Are we now to delete these passages from our tradition?

Dr. Berger spurns the rabbinic proof-texts cited by the messianists as a "rejected minority position" which in the face of "overwhelming counter-opinions," have no standing in Jewish law. Thus he violates a fundamental rule in halachic methodology: in disputes that do not affect actual practice one cannot say who is right or wrong! His reliance on arguments in polemical debates is curious. The Talmud clearly dismisses these as "broken reeds" and "straw", polemical tactics to rebuff opponents. More curious is his juggling-act. Originally he objected to the very possibility of a resurrected Rebbe-Messiah. Facing solid counter-views, he invents something new. Now he claims that the messianists affirm that the Rebbe was already the actual Messiah in his lifetime, started the redemptive process, and will return to finish the job, analogous to Christian theology. Why is it that no one ever heard of that before reading the book? No Lubavitcher can possibly say that. It stands in flagrant contradiction to the Rebbe's explicit statements that the final word in these matters is a ruling by Maimonides: the reality of the Messiah is established exclusively by his fulfilling the actual prophecies of the redemption when he appears.

To be sure, the messianist faction has a handful of extremists who uttered obscene and heretical statements. This lunatic fringe has been excommunicated from all camps. For Dr. Berger to build a case on them, has as much meaning as building on the lunatic fringe of the mitnagdim which he condones with a cavalier "I do not believe that they meant it literally."

Dr. Berger worries that the numerous Lubavitchers holding influential positions as chief-rabbis, rabbis, and other religious functionaries throughout the world, threaten the future of Judaism. He wants them dismissed. Question: were these people appointed because they are Lubavitchers or because of their qualifications, including requisite scholarship? Is it conceivable that they know as much about Jewish law, about what is acceptable and what is not, as their antagonists?

Yet Dr. Berger and his bedfellows arrogate to themselves the authority to be both the prosecutors and judges over them. The book's repetitiveness is annoying. Its numerous inaccuracies and crude distortions (as of an article I wrote) are irritating. Its ignorant insults, such as Lubavitch constructing menorahs "of an atypical sort because every new religion needs a symbol" when that is the form prescribed by Maimonides, reveal the author's motivation.

The author notes that even some of his friends regard his efforts as "symptoms of a personal idiosyncrasy" eliciting "musings about unhealthy obsessions." He should consider this more seriously.
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Rabbi Schochet is a Professor of Philosophy in Toronto, Canada, and author of numerous books on Jewish Thought and Mysticism.
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Re: Are the Ethiopians really Jewish?
« Reply #47 on: July 12, 2019, 05:52:22 AM »
I think this Yair Bachrach creature is back under just plain Yair
We will see if starts his nonsense again

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Re: Are the Ethiopians really Jewish?
« Reply #48 on: July 12, 2019, 06:21:16 AM »
I think this Yair Bachrach creature is back under just plain Yair
We will see if starts his nonsense again

He can't win. We will report him again. And HaShem will punish him for his disgusting slander against the Rebbe and Chabad. 
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Re: Are the Ethiopians really Jewish?
« Reply #49 on: July 12, 2019, 06:27:29 AM »
He can't win. We will report him again. And HaShem will punish him for his disgusting slander against the Rebbe and Chabad.
Indeed.
It wasn't just me & you it was a few others that reported him.
But if he tries again we will report him again.