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What do you believe really happened?

Yigal Amir did it and it was a Right Wing conspiracy.
0 (0%)
Yigal Amir did it and it was a Left Wing conspiracy to frame him.
6 (40%)
Yigal Amir shot blank bullets and Shimon Peres and The Shabak are responsible for the real assassin.
4 (26.7%)
I'm torn between 2 and 3.
5 (33.3%)

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Re: Do you believe the official version of the Rabin assassination?
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2007, 12:30:42 AM »
No

I believe Chamish`s version of events. I saw his video and read his book, which he sends with medical reports. Video had the video evidence.

I would look into Natan Gefen`s version but it is only in hebrew. The guy is too incompetent or careless to translate the truth.

Either way. I think both agree that yigal amir did not kill him, and israeli intelligence did.


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Re: Do you believe the official version of the Rabin assassination?
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2007, 01:08:08 AM »
DTA except God! ;)

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Re: Do you believe the official version of the Rabin assassination?
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2007, 03:20:42 PM »
The latest from Chamish:

"Barely a fortnight before, the Israeli establishment was shocked by the
poll which revealed that:

Poll carried out last week by Teleseker of a representative sample of
500 Adult Israeli Jews for Maariv the week of 5 October 2007 and
published in Maariv on 8 October 2007. Statistical error 4.4 percentage
points.

Percentage believing Yigal Amir's claim that he was not behind the
murder: General population 28% Religious 46%

**
And how did the murdering mafia react? In the midst of an electronic
barrage which attacked cable tv and the airport, the spin doctors wasted
the dying nation's last resources by going into high gear to cover the
truth. And it's not working. The latest poll of Israel's Right show that
71% believe in MY conspiracy thesis and only 15% still believe the
government. (see Notes). Still they try. Oh how they try!

First, Maariv's Weekend magazine, put patsy Yigal Amir on its cover with
a satirical jab at the poll results. All that did was prove, through the
back door, that Israel did not believe its mafia governors. So the same
paper was utilized to publish "an expose" that the police found
explosives at the Amir home on the night of Rabin's murder.

And it only took 12 years to publish the "findings."

Hebrew readers and listeners, enjoy the coverup. Actually, even those
ignorant of the holy tongue will enjoy photos of the event. The text
proves the snitching cop was employed by the Secret Service (Shabak)
from the night of the murder to whitewash it, but, unless you plan to
learn Hebrew to read the site, you're stuck believing me. URL two is the
government's tv station rehashing the big lie:

http://rotter.net/cgi-bin/forum/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&forum=gil&om=5856&omm=36&viewmode
http://rotter.net/cgi-bin/forum/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&forum=gil&om=5856&omm=36&viewmode

http://media.iba.org.il/?type=tvRecorded&site_code=0*
http://media.iba.org.il/?type=tvRecorded&site_code=0


Then, the Shabak called out its usual guns. Even if no one believes them
anymore. It seems an unnamed American millionaire is backing a new
movement, called, most originally, The Committee For Democracy, to rush
to Amir's aid. Now, this committee believes Amir knocked off Rabin, but
that's good as far as it's concerned. For years, I have been called a
radical "Right Winger" by the Israeli media, even though many of my
views actually reflect a leftist or centrist view. The reason is Shabak
manipulation of the Rabin murder into a Right Wing cause. In fact, to
understand Rabin's demise, one has to believe in the objective truth cause.

The new committee is composed of three "activists." We will skip Noam
Federman who may be a minor patsy. But the other two committee members
are dangerous operators. For an in-depth investigation of their
activities, buy my book Bye Bye Gaza. If you keep reading, you'll get
the details.

Avigdor Eskin organized a highly publicized reading of a death curse,
The Pulsa Dinara, outside Rabin's house a month before the murder. On
Amir's 30th birthday, he brought a birthday cake to Beersheva Prison
where, somehow, most fortunately, media film men were there to record
him pummeling a cab driver who objected to his birthday celebration.

But most frightening, Eskin was the matchmaker between Amir and his
lovely screwball bride, Larissa Trimbobler.

Amir never married Larissa There was never a rabbi, a witness, nor a
ring in prison.There is no license at City Hall... Just like Jonathan
Pollard's "marriage" to Esther. But because some Rabbi somewhere found a
loophole, he decided he was married. But that does not give him any
legal right to conjugal visits. He is watched 24 hours on camera, so HOW
did he get Larissa knocked up?

Yes, we now learn, he did so because he wants to be at his son's brit
(circumcision.) Someway, he impregnated his lovely "bride." Leave it be
said, without high level cooperation, this pregnancy would not have
happened. And it certainly stops unsightly gossip of how he agreed to
betray his "friends" as a Shabak stoolie.

The story of Larissa is weird. She left her hubby and 4 kiddies with his
blessing to "marry" Yigal. But at last report, she lives in the same
home as her "real" family. Such is domestic bliss in Israel.

Committee "activist" two is Itamar Ben Gvir. He was used to deflate any
resistance to the pullout of Jews from Gaza. In doing so, he left some
400 people incriminated by the police. Two of the victims, Daniel Pinner
and Shimshon Cytryn, who faced serious assault charges, are still too
dumb to understand that they were had by him. Others now know it. As
Jonathan S., a former Hebron "radical" tells me, "I'm really not
surprised. I always suspected he was. His actions are just too provoking
and counterproductive to be for real. He's never actually done any
serious actions that have accomplished anything, just got his picture
taken in the newspaper enough times."

After his role in defeating the Jews of Gaza was exposed, numerous
sources named Ben Gvir as a Shabak agent, including the newspapers
Hatsofe, Makor Rishon, activist Nadia Matar, Knesset Member Arieh Eldad,
and me. He threatened to sue Hatsofe but satisfied himself with Eldad
and me. Eldad issued a public and humiliating apology, but I refused. So
in preparation for my trial, I contacted a close associate of Eldad's,
who lives in Efat. He agreed to tell me: "Arye was a sitting member of
the Knesset Committee on Security And Foreign Affairs. So was, then,
Shabak head Avi Dichter. He stood up and told Dichter, 'How dare you
plant a lowlife agent like Ben Gvir in the National Camp.' Dichter rose
and answered, "I swear he's not one of ours. He works for Police
Intelligence.'

And out they rolled, after Maariv revealed that almost a third of
secular Israelis and half the religious, told pollsters they believe
Rabin was rubbed out in a conspiracy, by inference, of Shabak head Carmi
Gillon, bodyguard Yoram Rubin and led by President Shimon, Feh, Ich, Peres.

With me temporarily out of the picture, the Rabin murder truth is run in
Israel by egotistical hacks, each hoping to gain a little notoriety with
wrongheaded ideas about what happened. But I'll be in New York on the
evening of Nov. 3 with the facts on paper and videotape. Join me.

NOTES:

28 Tishrei 5768, Oct 10, '07 IsraelNationalNews.com
Total Votes: 780

Do you believe the official story of PM Rabin's murder?

71.5% NO
15.1% YES
13.3% NOT SURE

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/911946.html

Extreme right to launch campaign for Yigal Amir's release
*Rightist organization Committee for Democracy to produce film about
Rabin killer's life, launches nationwide campaign for his parole from
prison* Efrat Weiss Published: 10.11.07, 22:26 / Israel News
<http://www.ynetnews.com/home/0,7340,L-3082,00.html>

The extreme right organization The Committee for Democracy is producing
a film staring Yigal Amir, as part of Its campaign calling for his
parole from prison.

Ynet has learned that the film is to depict Amir's life starting in his
childhood and leading up to his assassination of former Prime Minister
Yitzhak Rabin.

The film is said to feature Rabin's character as potentially destructive
and hazardous to Israel's existence, should he had lived on.
[]
*The Committee for Democracy's postcard*

The Committee for Democracy is funded by an American millionaire and its
members, including right-wing extremists Itamar Ben-Gvir, Noam Federman
and Avigdor Eskin, have decided to actively call for Amir's release.

Their action, they said, was prompted by the government's apparent
willingness to release PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazi prisoners with blood on their hands.

The Committee for Democracy intends to send out hundreds of thousands of
postcards in the next few days, featuring an image of Amir and a caption
reading "A time for peace, a time for reconciliation. A time to free him."

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3321311,00.html
Yigal Amir's conjugal visitation with his wife Larissa Trimbobler is
being depicted as an appalling moral decline. If the abhorred murderer
fathers a child, his offspring would contaminate our pure and pristine
country with its noxious words."




Trimbobler: heroine, dupe, or Shabak patsy/stool?!

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Re: Do you believe the official version of the Rabin assassination?
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2007, 03:28:53 PM »
What difference does it make. Good old Rabin is with us no more  :-\
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Re: Do you believe the official version of the Rabin assassination?
« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2007, 03:33:11 PM »
Or 2# or 3#.
Not a foreign land we took and not with foreign possession but a land that belong to our ancestors that was occupied without a trial. And when we had the opportunity, we took our land back.
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Re: Do you believe the official version of the Rabin assassination?
« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2007, 03:38:39 PM »
I think there was a second gunman.....he was hiding in the book depository.


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Re: Do you believe the official version of the Rabin assassination?
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2007, 03:40:51 PM »
There is definitely a part of the story we aren't being told, but the majority of the story might be true.......
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Re: Do you believe the official version of the Rabin assassination?
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2007, 07:41:25 PM »
if people want to read chamish, they can sign up to his mailing list..

Chamish was not just right about Rabin. He is right about the CFR and the Vatican too.

Call it american pressure, and vatican pressure if you want. And the vatican does not have anywhere near as much say as america.

Most people are not hooked on believing everything chamish writes. But the main things, one can check up.

He only brought up about Rabin to bring down the israeli government, and also to bring to light how it really operates.. The powers that Israel bends to.

Israeli policy is fed to whichever party is in power. The party leader is just a puppet. 
I realised this in 1999   Amram Mitzna vs Ariel Sharon
Mitzna said "I have a plan, built a wall , separation ,......."   It was a detailed plan. A friend called and asked what about jerusalem. They even said they`d divide it but hadn`t planned/released details for that yet.

Sharon was asked for a plan, he said "I have a plan" . But it was a secret. People were excited.

Sharon won. He was asked "how did you win?" He was shocked himself, he said "I don`t know!"

(he won because of the people behind mitzna. Mitzna was a new face for the same old guard, peres e.t.c. and the people don`t want peres and co. But anyhow)

What does Sharon do when he gets in power? HE BUILDS A WALL !!! separation, e.t.c. He didn`t speak much, but that was what he did.

**There was only ever one plan.**

When the israelis are reluctant, they vote Netanyahu or "sharon". When they are more willing, they vote "rabin" or Peres.   The powers that be prefer that they vote for rabin or peres, because they can go through the plan quicker. But if the people are reluctant, then only a netanyahu or sharon can sell the plan.

That is how it works.

minor point - I also noticed that many israeli politicians that run for power ..  Have done the same degree at MIT.  Mitzna and I recall maybe Netanyahu. It does look suspicious.. like they rear them for the job.
Chamish mentioned in his book that Henry Kissinger had been meeting with Sharon every year since the 70s (in the 70s sharon might`ve been dealing with roads or something trivial in govt, not important)..  He also visited Netanyahu often, and Netanyahu was seen leaving, looking humbled. 

And chamish is right about Daniel pipes and richard pipes. CFR.  And so he predicted that Daniel Pipes woiuld be a problem.. Supporting a palestinian state, even suggesting that soldiers do not defend settlers.   And he got Steven Plaut too.. Plaut write good articles, but we would not have known he was such a swine if it was not for Chamish. 

To read chamish, you have to take his skill. He can read from any source, sift out the facts, and what is right, and discard the rest.   He may be wrong sometimes, in his hunches.   

I still read Steven Plaut at times. He has some classic articles. 







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Re: Do you believe the official version of the Rabin assassination?
« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2007, 08:06:56 PM »
But Chamish takes everything way too far. Of course The CFR is evil but he stretches everything. Chaim says he gives the people who want to expose real conspiracies a bad name. Chaim attributes the multinational corporations to the conspiracies.


people who expose conspiracies .. They are almost all anti-semites and anti-israel, and give themselves a bad name.

Barry Chamish is a breath of fresh air compared to them. I would never have looked into any conspiracies otherwise. He digs through all the trash.

I actually don`t look into conspiracy theories beisdes rabin anyway. It was painful reading and researching. Chamish is a bad presenter. I only looked into rabin to expose the israeli government. But the israeli government exposed themselves with Amona.  And with all the allegations of corruption against everybody!


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Re: Do you believe the official version of the Rabin assassination?
« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2007, 08:19:13 PM »
I choose option # 2
The Academy of Elijah taught, whoever studies the laws (of the Torah) every day, (he) is guaranteed to have a share in the World to Come.

‏119:139 צִמְּתַתְנִי קִנְאָתִי כִּישָׁכְחוּ דְבָרֶיךָ צָרָי
My zeal incenses me, for my adversaries have forgotten Your words.
‏119:141 צָעִיר אָנֹכִי וְנִבְזֶה פִּקֻּדֶיךָ, לֹא שָׁכָחְתִּי.
 I am young and despised; I have not forgotten Your precepts.

" A fool does not realize, and an unwise person does not understand this (i.e. the following:) When the wicked bloom like grass, and the evildoers blossom (i.e. when they seem extremly successful), it is to destroy them forever (i.e. they are rewarded for their few good deeds in this World, and they will have no portion in the World to Come!)

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Re: Do you believe the official version of the Rabin assassination?
« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2007, 09:58:09 PM »
I don't believe there was a left wing or right wing conspiracy. There was no conspiracy. Amir acted alone.