State and religion relationship

[Dexter]

I think that the State, political decisions and political motivations should be saperate of religion, completly, of any kind. I think in that way because of the fact or the option that religion will limit our freedom right, and can cause religious coercion. Also, political decisions and political motivations that are maneuvered by religion of any kind can be stupid, irrational and/or extreamist .

What is your opinion on state and religion relationship ?

[Merkava]

Separate by all means.

Politics & Religion don't mix together

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

The opposite of what you said and think. Okay, maybe in other nations but not in Israel. Anyway talkinf about religion and it having "irrational" decisions- look at the communists and Nazi's. They were secular W/O G-d. Look how much destruction they have coused. Look at the regime in Israel, its secular, does it act rational?  Anyway the purpose of life and in extension in government of the Jews should be to promote and enforce religion and not work agains't it.

(If you are in Israel right now please dont respond, its Shabb---t )

[Dr. Dan]

I think there shoudl be a separation of "church" and state.


Except for Israel...Israel is not meant to be a secular country.

[Merkava]

Except for Israel...Israel is not meant to be a secular country.

I concur - Israel is the only exception

[Dexter]

The opposite of what you said and think. Okay, maybe in other nations but not in Israel. Anyway talkinf about religion and it having "irrational" decisions- look at the communists and Nazi's. They were secular W/O G-d. Look how much destruction they have coused. Look at the regime in Israel, its secular, does it act rational?  Anyway the purpose of life and in extension in government of the Jews should be to promote and enforce religion and not work agains't it.

(If you are in Israel right now please dont respond, its Shabb---t )

Look at the regime in Iran, is it rational ? Look at Hamas in Gaza, are they rational ? Look at the regime there was when Spain was a religiouse state (as in the 15th century), was it rational ? Who said that the fact that a ceirtin regime is irrational it's because it is seculer ? Political decisions and political motivations of the ceirtin regime were made of diffrent maneuvereds.

Your analogy is incorrect, because you conclude, for unkown reason, that because there were irrtional and insane regime that were seculer (you ignored the fact there were irrotional not because of it secularism) means that religiouse regime will be much more better.

[Dr. Dan]

The opposite of what you said and think. Okay, maybe in other nations but not in Israel. Anyway talkinf about religion and it having "irrational" decisions- look at the communists and Nazi's. They were secular W/O G-d. Look how much destruction they have coused. Look at the regime in Israel, its secular, does it act rational?  Anyway the purpose of life and in extension in government of the Jews should be to promote and enforce religion and not work agains't it.

(If you are in Israel right now please dont respond, its Shabb---t )

Look at the regime in Iran, is it rational ? Look at Hamas in Gaza, are they rational ? Look at the regime there was when Spain was a religiouse state (as in the 15th century), was it rational ? Who said that the fact that a ceirtin regime is irrational it's because it is seculer ? Political decisions and political motivations of the ceirtin regime were made of diffrent maneuvereds.

Your analogy is incorrect, because you conclude, for unkown reason, that because there were irrtional and insane regime that were seculer (you ignored the fact there were irrotional not because of it secularism) means that religiouse regime will be much more better.

Maybe I can help you understand, Dexter. Like you, I'm not very observant either.  And you live in Israel while I don't.

There is one issue at hand with creating a religious state, even if it is a Jewish state.  The people in that nation have to want it also.  Today, Israel is not even close to being ready for that religious state. If religious suddenly took over Israel, it would become like a brutal theocracy like Iran.  Believe me, I know Chaim doesn't even want that and he always mentions that once he took power, if it was meant to be, he would subtly change the education system and little by little the citizens would get it.  And once they get it, they woudl want more of it. 

Now, the nature of Judaism and the Torah is a bit different than Christianity and Islam and other religions. there is somethign about how the Rabbis studied Torah that makes it more a part of the here and now versus later on when we go to heaven. 

Judaism also is better for Jews than secularism. Jews should be Jews..everybody else can be anythign else that fits their character. For 2000 years, we has Jews tried to be like other nations...and look what happened to us.

However, if Israel is to become a religious type state, it has to happen gradually...very very very very gradually.
Also, a consensus needs to form on how religious the state will be run.  We look at all the Jews around us with all kinds of traditions with all kinds of fences...Some jews need a big fence while others only need a small one...So my dilema will only be about that..

But the Torah laws are the Torah laws..and INTERPRETATION of the Torah laws need to be understood to change with time..and in order for anyone to see that, he has to be very very very very very wise.