Question to Chaim: Death threats about Youtube videos on Croats/Albanians

[newman]

I am 100% for gun control... in Australia we had a ban on semi automatic weapons after the Port Arthur Massacre when some freak shot over 30 people to death in a shopping mall....

If those victims had all been armed, the scumbag would never have even considered going on a rampage like that.

You got it the wrong way round... if the gun laws had been put into fruition he wouldn't have been able to go and kill all those people, or at least at the ease of just filling out a few forms.. he was a maniac who was mentally deficient and when people get like that they don't care whether they live or die as long as they are taking "as many of em' to Hades"

The murder rate in Australia has gone up since the gun ban. Australians are now defenseless against home invaders and killers.

[raiseyourfist]

I am 100% for gun control... in Australia we had a ban on semi automatic weapons after the Port Arthur Massacre when some freak shot over 30 people to death in a shopping mall....

If those victims had all been armed, the scumbag would never have even considered going on a rampage like that.

You got it the wrong way round... if the gun laws had been put into fruition he wouldn't have been able to go and kill all those people, or at least at the ease of just filling out a few forms.. he was a maniac who was mentally deficient and when people get like that they don't care whether they live or die as long as they are taking "as many of em' to Hades"

The murder rate in Australia has gone up since the gun ban. Australians are now defenseless against home invaders and killers.

Theft and serious assault went up Newman, in fact did you know that Australia is leading the world in those areas pro rata..i don't know about the fact that you say the murder rate has ascended due to the ban on guns... i think is more to do with the culture of those people who are still able to get them on the black market..

i agree people have a G-d given right to defend themselves but if everyone is walking around "bearing arms" then as common sense would predict the murder rate is going to go up no matter what punishments are dished out...


Look at that guy, Martin Bryant who killed those 35 people in Port Arthur he only got a life sentence... but should have received the death penalty (IMO).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_massacre_%28Australia%29

[newman]

I am 100% for gun control... in Australia we had a ban on semi automatic weapons after the Port Arthur Massacre when some freak shot over 30 people to death in a shopping mall....

If those victims had all been armed, the scumbag would never have even considered going on a rampage like that.

You got it the wrong way round... if the gun laws had been put into fruition he wouldn't have been able to go and kill all those people, or at least at the ease of just filling out a few forms.. he was a maniac who was mentally deficient and when people get like that they don't care whether they live or die as long as they are taking "as many of em' to Hades"

The murder rate in Australia has gone up since the gun ban. Australians are now defenseless against home invaders and killers.

Theft and serious assault went up Newman, in fact did you know that Australia is leading the world in those areas pro rata..i don't know about the fact that you say the murder rate has ascended due to the ban on guns... i think is more to do with the culture of those people who are still able to get them on the black market..

i agree people have a G-d given right to defend themselves but if everyone is walking around "bearing arms" then as common sense would predict the murder rate is going to go up no matter what punishments are dished out...


Look at that guy, Martin Bryant who killed those 35 people in Port Arthur he only got a life sentence... but should have received the death penalty (IMO).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_massacre_(Australia)

Martin Bryant was retarded with a record of anti-social behaviour going back to childhood. He should have been put to sleep long ago. His guns were NOT legally purchased. He had NO firearms liscence.

How do explain Switzerland's record high private gun ownership and record low murder rate?

"Guns are deeply rooted within Swiss culture - but the gun crime rate is so low that statistics are not even kept.
The country has a population of six million, but there are estimated to be at least two million publicly-owned firearms, including about 600,000 automatic rifles and 500,000 pistols. "

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1566715.stm

Also read:

Nine myths of gun control

http://www.2asisters.org/education/ninemyths.htm

[raiseyourfist]

You raise a valid argument Newman... it is fair to say that the culture mixed with the readiness to attain firearms allows for murders to occur commonly...

Countries like Australia and America are dangerous with gang crime and most likely attributes to high levels of serious assault, murder and vandalism as well as theft.. both countries have "divided economic cultures" as if there should be different rules in different vicinities...

I don't believe that more murders occurred after the change in legislative in 1996 to the right to hold semi automatic weapons... and if it did it is not because people were left indefensible.. i agree that theft and serious assault would have been much less if those rules has not come into place but murders.... i doubt it

[newman]

You raise a valid argument Newman... it is fair to say that the culture mixed with the readiness to attain firearms allows for murders to occur commonly...

Countries like Australia and America are dangerous with gang crime and most likely attributes to high levels of serious assault, murder and vandalism as well as theft.. both countries have "divided economic cultures" as if there should be different rules in different vicinities...

I don't believe that more murders occurred after the change in legislative in 1996 to the right to hold semi automatic weapons... and if it did it is not because people were left indefensible.. i agree that theft and serious assault would have been much less if those rules has not come into place but murders.... i doubt it

Murders have increased. Shootings (specifically) are down slightly, but the murder rate is up (by tyre levers, knives etc).

My question is, what is so good about being killed by a knife as opposed to a gun? Dead is dead.

Secondly. You havn't taken into account the number of crimes prevented by guns.

In the USA, 500,000 violent crimes are STOPPED by armed citizens each year. That's 10,000 per week!!! Imagine if those citizens were denied those guns. 10,000 more murders, rapes stick-ups and muggings EVERY WEEK.

Further...............
Cannibas is banned
Heroine is banned.
Crack is banned
Child pornography is banned
Explosives are banned

Did any of these bans work?............................NO

What makes you think that a gun ban will work when none of these other bans have?

Guns are banned in prisons, yet routine prison cell searches regularly turn up guns, often large capacity ones not just pocket pistols.

Carbine Williams designed and built a firing prototype of the famous M1 Carbine in a prison workshop under the noses of the guards while serving time!

Now, if you can make guns in jail or smuggle them into a jail how will you prevent guns entering a free community? (Knowing from history that no ban has ever worked)

[raiseyourfist]

You raise a valid argument Newman... it is fair to say that the culture mixed with the readiness to attain firearms allows for murders to occur commonly...

Countries like Australia and America are dangerous with gang crime and most likely attributes to high levels of serious assault, murder and vandalism as well as theft.. both countries have "divided economic cultures" as if there should be different rules in different vicinities...

I don't believe that more murders occurred after the change in legislative in 1996 to the right to hold semi automatic weapons... and if it did it is not because people were left indefensible.. i agree that theft and serious assault would have been much less if those rules has not come into place but murders.... i doubt it

Murders have increased. Shootings (specifically) are down slightly, but the murder rate is up (by tyre levers, knives etc).

My question is, what is so good about being killed by a knife as opposed to a gun? Dead is dead.

Secondly. You havn't taken into account the number of crimes prevented by guns.

In the USA, 500,000 violent crimes are STOPPED by armed citizens each year. That's 10,000 per week!!! Imagine if those citizens were denied those guns. 10,000 more murders, rapes stick-ups and muggings EVERY WEEK.

Further...............
Cannibas is banned
Heroine is banned.
Crack is banned
Child pornography is banned
Explosives are banned

Did any of these bans work?............................NO

What makes you think that a gun ban will work when none of these other bans have?

Guns are banned in prisons, yet routine prison cell searches regularly turn up guns, often large capacity ones not just pocket pistols.

Carbine Williams designed and built a firing prototype of the famous M1 Carbine in a prison workshop under the noses of the guards while serving time!

Now, if you can make guns in jail or smuggle them into a jail how will you prevent guns entering a free community? (Knowing from history that no ban has ever worked)

The Australian Government has to do the right thing by the people and make this a safer place to dwell in... you want Australia to end up like America with a gun death toll over 10 times of what we have here man for man?...

Does guns prevent certain crimes from occurring?? yes your right in saying that especially if the predator feels that the target has something to defend himself/herself with...

If people are going to get weapons on the black market obviously there is very little the Federal and State Government can do about that but becoming more resilient in instating harsher laws against the accessibility of illegal weapons is something they can do to keep the number of guns in the country...

OBVIOUSLY WE ARE HERE AT A DEADLOCK HERE NEWMAN... YOU BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE GUNS TO KEEP THEM SAFE, WHICH IS A VALID CONCERN.. BUT I BELIEVE IN AUSTRALIA THERE IS NO INHERENT NEED TO OWN ONE UNLESS YOUR IN WESTERN SYDNEY....

Lets leave it at that... unless i am missing something

[newman]

You raise a valid argument Newman... it is fair to say that the culture mixed with the readiness to attain firearms allows for murders to occur commonly...

Countries like Australia and America are dangerous with gang crime and most likely attributes to high levels of serious assault, murder and vandalism as well as theft.. both countries have "divided economic cultures" as if there should be different rules in different vicinities...

I don't believe that more murders occurred after the change in legislative in 1996 to the right to hold semi automatic weapons... and if it did it is not because people were left indefensible.. i agree that theft and serious assault would have been much less if those rules has not come into place but murders.... i doubt it

Murders have increased. Shootings (specifically) are down slightly, but the murder rate is up (by tyre levers, knives etc).

My question is, what is so good about being killed by a knife as opposed to a gun? Dead is dead.

Secondly. You havn't taken into account the number of crimes prevented by guns.

In the USA, 500,000 violent crimes are STOPPED by armed citizens each year. That's 10,000 per week!!! Imagine if those citizens were denied those guns. 10,000 more murders, rapes stick-ups and muggings EVERY WEEK.

Further...............
Cannibas is banned
Heroine is banned.
Crack is banned
Child pornography is banned
Explosives are banned

Did any of these bans work?............................NO

What makes you think that a gun ban will work when none of these other bans have?

Guns are banned in prisons, yet routine prison cell searches regularly turn up guns, often large capacity ones not just pocket pistols.

Carbine Williams designed and built a firing prototype of the famous M1 Carbine in a prison workshop under the noses of the guards while serving time!

Now, if you can make guns in jail or smuggle them into a jail how will you prevent guns entering a free community? (Knowing from history that no ban has ever worked)

The Australian Government has to do the right thing by the people and make this a safer place to dwell in... you want Australia to end up like America with a gun death toll over 10 times of what we have here man for man?...

Does guns prevent certain crimes from occurring?? yes your right in saying that especially if the predator feels that the target has something to defend himself/herself with...

If people are going to get weapons on the black market obviously there is very little the Federal and State Government can do about that but becoming more resilient in instating harsher laws against the accessibility of illegal weapons is something they can do to keep the number of guns in the country...

OBVIOUSLY WE ARE HERE AT A DEADLOCK HERE NEWMAN... YOU BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE GUNS TO KEEP THEM SAFE, WHICH IS A VALID CONCERN.. BUT I BELIEVE IN AUSTRALIA THERE IS NO INHERENT NEED TO OWN ONE UNLESS YOUR IN WESTERN SYDNEY....

Lets leave it at that... unless i am missing something

You have missed something very important.

The American "gun deaths" you mention are just that.....DEATHS not muders. Not all deaths are a bad thing

The gun death figures quoted so often by the left are total deaths (of all kinds) caused by firearms. They include..................

Police shooting killers and criminals
Security guards shooting criminals
Home owners shooting burglars
Women shooting rapists
Motorists shooting car-jackers
7-11 clerks shooting stick-up artists
Gas station owners shooting armed robbers  etc etc

These are good killings. The actual number of murders is only a small percntage of gun deaths. This is the great ommission from that "going down the American road" BS of the anti-gunners.

Would you preferr all these criminals to still be alive and the good people dead, raped or robbed?

BTW,

Larry Elder (black conservative radio host) recently took all the US crime stats and removed the crimes commited by non-whites to isolate white crime. Guess what? Looking at white crime in isolation gave the US a lower crime rate than ANY European country besides Switzerland!

Guns don't kill or commit crime. People do. Some more than others.

One last thing:

http://www.jtf.org/israel/israel.why.jews.must.oppose.gun.control.htm

[kellymaureen]

My question is, what is so good about being killed by a knife as opposed to a gun? Dead is dead.

My brother always says "dont bring a knife to a gun fight"

[newman]

My question is, what is so good about being killed by a knife as opposed to a gun? Dead is dead.

My brother always says "dont bring a knife to a gun fight"

Well you're scotts like Sean Connery himself.

[serbian army]

We will defend Chaim

[DALMACIJA]

This is not the first time that we are dealing with death threats from Croatians.
The owner of the internet side named Pavelicpapers.com had also to do with death threats from Croatians. They discovered his identity and he obeyed them.

Croatians are immoral people who are able to say anything.

[DALMACIJA]

But I thing that the JTF has members who are able to help our brother Chaim ben Pesach. Jews are well trained people. There must be somebody who would provide help to our great comrade Chaim ben Pessach.

Stay united.
Stay together.

Do not be intimated by them. Those people who threat through the internet have not courage in reality.

[Husar]

This is not the first time that we are dealing with death threats from Croatians.
The owner of the internet side named Pavelicpapers.com had also to do with death threats from Croatians. They discovered his identity and he obeyed them.

Croatians are immoral people who are able to say anything.

I can't believe this !!!