After the abandonment of Tancredo I was without a candidate so I looked much deeper into the rest, including Paul.
I actually can support many of his domestic issues but he is so far off base with islam it is scary. The thought that US foreign policy is what causes muslims to hate us is beyond absurd. Another politician who obviously never read the quran or hadiths. I guess it was our foreign policy back in the early 1800's that caused those upset muslims to enslave American merchants in the Barbary states that the US marines were created for to go rescue. I do agree we should not be involved in any nation building other than our own, and yes, this even includes allies.
I would even welcome getting the hell out of all their cesspool countries, on the condition that they all get the hell out of ours.
He(Paul) did say something that made sense. Whether he was being deceiving or not I don't know. He claimed our support for Israel actually hurts them with their muzzie enemies. Not that they hate them because of American support, we all know they(muzzies) will always hate Israel, and everyone else, whether there is American support or not. The point that he made is that Israel will often hold back from taking aggressive actions because of the wishes and whims of the US leadership. Their deferment to the US does and will hurt them when necessary retaliation or just self defense is needed. This was kind of proven during the Gulf War when Israel did not respond to incoming missiles at the US request. Again, whether he was sincere in this or not I do not know but it is an extremely valid point.
With all that said, even though I support many of his domestic issues, I can never support a candidate who is totally naive when it comes to islam. The problem with this is I still do not have a candidate. After seeing the debate last night I am even more disappointed, as every one of them that mentioned islam all had the usual disclaimers,(a small minority, hijackers of religion, etc.).
Huckabee? I must be missing something here. I have absolutely no confidence in him.
Let em all in McCain, can't make up my mind Romney, muslim apologist staffers Thompson, domestically liberal Rudy, I don't know why I'm here Richardson, populist in a mansion Edwards, satanic Clinton and Obama the muslim.
This country is in deep trouble.
SerbChicago, I will listen to what Chaim has to say just as anyone else here will but to vote for someone just because he tells you to, or to vote for anyone just because someone, anyone, tells you to, is very frightening. This is a big resaon we are in the mess we are in, too many people do not think for themselves.
As for Paul being a nazi or not, honestly I would not know, it seems many here seem to believe so. If there are reasons to back this claim up then I guess he might be. If the reason is just because he was seen in a photo with some neo-nazi or was sent contributions from such a group is not really a valid argument. The black man in Long Island that shot a white teen who was at his house with a small mob looking to do harm to his son and then shot and killed the white teen in a scuffle was just convicted for murder is having his conviction protested by black groups such as NOI and Al Sharpton. As hard as it is for me to say this, in this instance, NOI and Sharpton are right. I would have done the same thing in a similar situation. Does that make me a NOI member or a sharpton supporter?
OK, before I get attacked here I am in no way defending Ron Paul, his idiotic view on our islamic enemies is enough to turn me off even if he was right on every other single issue, I am just trying to make a few points that I was not sure were being made here.
listen to me i know in my guts that you are rons man.first i have look all candidates and i am greatly invalved in this issues and i have to agree with mr.chaim that ron is a disaster for america,europe,middle east and whole world with his opinions about forigen policys even one domestic!just people,like your self,think that we follow like sheep,but you self youare free thinker ( in my opinion like paul).aren't you the one that is on wrong side of street?aren't you the one who think like liberal(ron paul is ultimatly liberal,it just apear to happend that he have R next to his name,just like mc'caine)?i am member of family reasrch program(i don't kno have you heard from them,but if you didn't google them and you will find out that they support republicans,pro-life,pro-marredge,pro-israel and they are evangelical organizacion)and they have run a poll and in first lace was mitt romney second was huckabee.3.we are(as jtf)movement,just like political party and if our president(mr.chaim)says that JTF supports huckabee,then that is it!we can not have as a movement diferences among our self,becose of that we will faul a part with in!!!!!!!i don't know do you know that Iowa is a evangelical state and thet is a reason why huckabee won,romney second!he is a pastor,don't you think that would save america from liberals,hollywood and gay activist?!most of people belive in G-d(in G-d we trust)and this is our man(for jews and like my self orthodox).4.JTF is only organization who is trying to save my country(save kosovo forum)and if mr.chaim says huckabee(i think he is more wiseer than you in this matter,him self is invalved in this greatly) then i am for him too.5. and most of us are for huckabee and who are you to tell me something!how old are you anyway?!6.i am listener of radio talk show savage nation(michael savage,whohim self is a jew and support my contry)and he is for romney,so in any case all people i support are for huckabee or romney,so if any of them wins i didn't loose!6.if you wont to be JTF-er this is the time to get in this wagone of ours or you will be left on station strangled with others just like Ron paul of yours and others lierals as michae savage says LIBERALIZAM IS A MENTAL DISORDER and my friend my diagnose is you got it!!!!!! that is all from me!p.s.some of this shoul open mind to Daniel too!
Wow, you have obviously greatly misunderstood everything I have said.
1. I am not a Paul supporter, not by a long shot. I was a Tancredo supporter and know I am not very satisfied with any of the candidates. I thought I made that clear. I almost hurt myself laughing being called a liberal as anyone that knows me will know how amusing that is. Believe me, you gut is lying to you.
2. Yes, I have heard of the Family Research council, I have also listened to and read Michael Savage. I have also heard of and listened to many other organizations and people. I guess I am only supposed to listen to the ones that you deemed qualified?
3. Republican only because they have an R next to their name. I couldn't agree more, not only Paul but just about every Republican today. Go visit loyalistparty.com and see how much of a liberal letter R republican I am according to you.
4. Just so you know, I am also very involved, have been for over 30 years. I am also betting I am older than you, just a hunch.
5. I never told you what to do. In fact, just the opposite, I was stating that people should not automatically do what someone else tells them to without doing their own investigation first, no matter who is telling you to do it.
6. Huckabee will save us from gay activists, hollywood, etc. because he is a pastor? Wasn't Carter considered a very holy man? He did a whole lot of good, didn't he? Just because someone is, or isn't, a pastor/preacher/reverend, rabbi, etc. is not a reason I support or not support someone.
7. Maybe JTF is the only forum trying to save "your" country of Kosovo, and I wish them and Kosovo luck. My country is the USA and has been my families country for many many generations and that is the country I am most concerned with saving.
8. As for getting on the wagon as you call it, the only wagon I am on is the one that is headed for what is best for America. That includes a muslim exclusion act, declassifying islam as a religion, securing our borders, preserving our second amendment rights, true choice in education, death penalty for murderers and pedophiles, penalties for those who hire and or rent to illegal aliens, English as the official language of the land, rebuilding our military and treating them with the respect they deserve, ending affirmative action, lowering taxes, drilling in ANWR and so much more. I guess this makes me a liberal according to you because I do not like the same candidate you do. I am sure I have also been way more involved in the last 30 years than you have so "who are you to tell me something"!
9.I am still pretty amused here at being called a liberal. My diagnosis is that you are actually more of a nazi that you claim Ron Paul to be, who let me make this perfectly clear, I will never support because of his idiotic views on our islamic enemies, because you cannot bear to have anyone not to totally agree with everything you say.
10. Now, if you want to vote for Huckabee because Chaim tells you to, go ahead, that is your right. I will vote for the best candidate of what is available, it might be Huckabee, it might not, it won't be Paul.
11. I am not sure of what movement you are referring to. The only movement I am concerned with is the movement to secure a free,secure, islamic free and constitutional America for my children and their children's future. If the JTF movement is in line with this I support it, if not, I won't.
12. You should try not to assume you know someone when you obviously don't have a clue, just becasue they don't agree with everything you say.
13. Now forget about Daniel, hopefully this will open your mind, but somehow I seriously doubt it.
AND AFTER ALL YOU JUST SAD YOU STILL THINKING YOU NEED MORE PRUVE THAT RON IS NOT A NAZI,AND YOU CALLING ME A NAZI?I GUESS THAT FOR SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE GETTING OLDER THEY LOOSE CONTACT WITH REALITY!YOU SAD IT YOUR SELF YOU CAN SUPPORT MANY OF HIS DOMESTIC ISSUES!WELL YOU WILL LOOSE ALL OF YOUR STANDS THAT YOU HAVE JUST LISTED WITH RON!WHY ARE YOU HERE ANYWAY?YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT MR.CHAIM(AS PRESIDENT)SAYS,YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT OTHER JTF MEMBERS SAYS,WHY ARE YOU HERE THAN?!WRONG SIDE OF STREET MY FRIND, YOU ARE ON WRONG SIDE OF STREET!
I will try this one last time because it seems I am writing in one language and you are reading in another.
I do not and will not support Ron Paul, most especially because of his idiotic views that we are hated by the islamic world because of our foriegn policies.
I am not comfortable with any other candidate as of yet either because the only one I did support, Tancredo, had dropped out, I am still undecided.
I never disrespected Chaim. I simply stated that I would not vote for someone just because he said so. I would listen to and respect his reasons for his conclusion and take them into consideration, but ultimately I will make my own choice, not quite sure how this is disrespectful.
Yes, Paul is right on some domestic issues. Balanced budget, gold standard, eliminating income tax, fighting the NAU, pro second amendment rights. It is possible for there to be someone you cannot support overall but is right on some issues. This is supposed to make you a liberal? Huckabee is soft on crime and you support him, does this make you a liberal?
I guess stating an opinion other than yours means not liking other JTF members. So anyone that disagrees with you about anything does not belong here and is on "the wrong side of the street" ? After what you just said I am not sure if there is more proof that paul is nazi, he might be, he might not be, but it seems in your case you are supplying plenty of proof.
Why am I here? I have personally met some great JTF members and decided to check out the forum. For the most part, whether in agreement or disagreement, there is intelligent debate here, and also very much humor. I guess there will always be a few exceptions.
I guess at first I was too young to dare even question you, when you realized just the opposite is probably the case I am senile for not agreeing with you. So, make me the same exact age as you, same religion, same gender, same ethnicity, etc. This way we can just discuss what you accuse me of losing touch with, reality.
Now, the reason as I said before i will never support Paul, and am not happy with any candidate, is because they do not get the truth of islam. This reality as you call it, here in NYC I breathed in that reality on 9/11, I went to funerals of family members and friends of that reality, I am living here daily with all the crap of that islamic reality, I worry about my kids being blown up on the subway because of that reality, so don't tell me about reality, and i will go on any damn side of the street that I want.
Now if you still don't understand we are probably more overall in agreement than disagreement and still want to make an arguement of something that does not even exist in reality you will have to continue by yourself because you are obviously missing something here.
